red i like that blue pepsi or is pepsi blue hello all well that install went peachy i dont know what the problem was off to get X, audio and networking used hrmm sigh isa card how can one get irq / interrupt information from an isa device on linux? HAH! nickr: be nice jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-202116.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. re yp yo jamest how do you configure isa ethernet cards on linux? jade always makes it look so easy nakid depends on the card, really hmm disturbing Action: ajmitch uses the trial & error method usually it's pretty easy you need to know its irq and base memory address aye then, if on debian, run modconf pick the driver you require i dont know irq and base memory address thats where im struggling it'll typically bring up a line asking you for args Action: ajmitch confesses to have never used modconf, except perhaps in the original potato install i know the driver and tried using modconf (but didnt know params so it failed) try base of 0x300 irq 5 then irq 10 then irq 7 what kind of card is it? 0x300 is the port, not the memaddr io=0x300 er, i meant port my bad sigh, i have to run for a bit, I forgot we're dog sitting this weekend when prompted for params i entered io=0x300 irq=5 and still it failed well this is trial and error time yip we can't magically know the ports the card doesn't have jumpers? what driver is it? if the card is old enough it'll have jumpers to set port and irq the card is kingston KNE20 if it's newer it'll be software set and typically have come w/ a setup floppy that runs under dos ne driver it says to use ne2000 driver i tried it could be pnp ne how new is it? i think its probably pnp and need to disable that okay, then you have two opetion its not my machine so sorry for the vagueness it definitely doesnt have jumpers nickr what are two options try installing isapnptools i ahve isapnptools but im not grokking what to do with it this debian system? a) upgrade to 2.4 and let its pnp thing handle it b) configure with isapnptools personally if at all possible i'd do C c) go buy a < $20 pci card :) dneighbo: you do pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf, edit, isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf yes debian system sigh, i really have to go its not my machine so i cant dictate (c) thats what i did for all my machines :) do you have the disk that came with the card ? nickr: i cant reasonably get 2.4 w/o ethernet no ok go here http://www.kingston.com/support/downloads/networking/kne20.asp i'd bet you need to quickstart software (3rd link down) or first link for older on one you should be able to disable pnp with that hard code the irq and port info then be sure and reserve what you hardcoded in the motherboard bios yummy so that other pnp devices can't grab it andy (~ajmitch@199.232.76.164) joined #gnuenterprise. this is what i did for my netgear thanks then you'd have to install the driver that's what you pay us for isn't it? alright, it's working i tried kingston site from google and it wouldnt let me get tehre Action: andy leaves :) andy (~ajmitch@199.232.76.164) left #gnuenterprise. i _have_ to go for a bit good luck Action: dneighbo runs home dneighbo (~dneighbo@65.101.4.211) left irc: "home" bye jamest, derek did I miss anything? nope, just hardware issues well, configuration gah dneighbo and computer hardware can't think of a worse combination Action: jcater is away: I'm busy dneighbo, computer hardware, and irc it wouldn't be too bad if he couldn't bother us about it Gun[around] (GunAndGiz@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: Gun[around] -> stbain greetz howdy gave up on debian once I was able to get my daughter back to sleep no X, no mouse or network without loading modules ? http://www.plustech.fi/Walking1.html jamest: apparently my hardware is a little too modern GeForce4... can't load X, had to wade my way through mouse configuration did you use that direct kernel interface option? it only works about 1/2 the time for me so I always answer no you mean framebuffer? dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. here's dneighbo_ whos looking? Nick change: dneighbo_ -> derek yes, let's all give dneighbo_ a warm welcome to the show hehe derek: umm, we were just commenting on how great a person you are! :) #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o derek' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. you might have to load the agpgart module Action: derek runs away (he remembers stbain is fighting evil video card) geforce is totally supported run, don't walk to kernel 2.4 don't use the direct kernel whatevertheheckitscalled and I'm pretty sure the nv driver would work Action: ajmitch hasn't used linux 2.2 since the 2.4 -test series but then again I haven't got such a l33t card heh well... apggart... what's that? kernel module that works with the agp apature IIRC it's required to access more memory on chips like intels 810 chipset built in video major pita w/ 2.2 kernels hrmm well I already have 2.4 running installed X4.2 lemme reboot and try that 2.4 to my knowledge doesnt help but X 4.2 does the nv 4.1 doesnt support his card (if i researched properly) but 4.2 does yah dkesh (~dkesh@h0001031e43c6.ne.client2.attbi.com) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.1" but I also tried downloading the nvidia binary stuff and building the module didn't wokr apparently had problems linking w/ the 2.4.18 source well thats just cause you arent cool enough lol hey... at least I figured out how to use the deb-buildpackage command hehe dont feel bad electronics in general hate me ask jamest yah... I feel that way sometimes if i look at a computer for a concentrated amount of time i can make it do things NO ONE can explain trust us, we've seen a few of derek's problems :) i think its a gift or is that a curse Action: derek shoudl go to work at a lab where they benchmark m$ products both a curse for us trying to help jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-202116.flinthills.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) hehe hrmmm perhaps I'll give debian one more try brb btw... it's /etc/modules.conf where I need to add my usbmouse 3c59x, etc... right? stbain (GunAndGiz@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) left irc: "brb" gandg (gandg@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ok Nick change: gandg -> stbain now what was this agpgart you were talking about? jcater ? rdean (~rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-030-076.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. agp hrmmm dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. still getting a "no devices detected" strange I know the pci address it's just not seeing it does it show up in lspci? yup try NOT specifying the pci address 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0253 (rev a3) already tried that hrmmm vesa driver works brb stbain (gandg@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) left irc: "BitchX: now with wings" stbain (gandg@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. well... this is much better hrmmm anyone here running gnome2? stbain (gandg@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" stbain (gandg@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ok... X works I'm somewhat happy now hehe hrmmm... apt-get install gnome2 doesn't exactly work rdean (~rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-030-076.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater (~jason@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) got netsplit. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port2.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. Isomer (dahoose@port-62-147.jet.net.nz) got netsplit. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) got netsplit. jcater (~jason@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port2.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) returned to #gnuenterprise. Isomer (dahoose@port-62-147.jet.net.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" stbain: going for gnome2 is a bit agressive :) i think there are special sources.list line for that yah there is but I thought that was the beauty of debian just apt-get your way through everything guess not if you have special sources.list it should be matter of apt-get install BUT remember the beauty of debian is solid packaging right no dependency hell like Red Hat and if you have to put custom line to get something always beware :) as there is a reason usually its not in the distro yet :) heheh in a perfect world, there would be no "release" distro or stable/unstable just apt-get install [whatever you want] and go especially when you consider that gnome2 has been out for a while now brb stbain (gandg@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" stbain (gandg@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hrmmm gnome2 works great for me gnome2 is not complete nor is my college degree, but that doesn't mean I'm not worth hiring ;) i thought you said you couldnt get gnome2? Action: derek is confused I got it just didn't work right off the bat had to coax it into installing ;) ah one of the packages was missing a dtd try fluxbox and get a real user experience :) hrmm.... looks interesting fluxbox my ass. ok... dneighbo: here's what I have to do boot off the floppy insmod usbmouse usbmgr /etc/init.d/gpm restart err... mdetect then /etc/init.d/gpm restart insmod 3c59x ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 then logout of root, ALT+F7 back to Xwindows, CTRL-ALT-BKSPC to restart Xwindows (so it will pick up the mouse) and then I can go about my computing I realize debian is great and free and all... but there's gotta be an easier way to do all that and to top it all off, I'm still not using the correct vid drivers (using vesa for now) stbain: I have no idea how you got to that situation stbain: Its incredible to me nickr: switched from redhat to debian and I don't see any rc.local file to stick all of that in psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. um jamest or nickr could tell you a work around to that usb thing thats not a debian issue ok as to the video driver remember you are using evil hardware (literally) lol stbain: the point is NONE of that should need to be done, at all redhat supports it well, because they dont care about freedom and they *i believe* are likely violating the GPL nickr: I realize that stbain: you add every module that needs to be loaded to /etc/modules, usbmgr should start itself, and start before gpm by distributing a prop kernel module that links to the kernel with their distribution derek: actually, redhat ships the same nv X4.2 driver that I have installed if its same nv driver then likely there is a config issue? if you want to download and install the nvidia binary driver you can definitely a config issue of some sort i will play nickr's normally smartass role on this one its not debians fault you dont know how to configure X ;) hey, fack yew true but you must understand that I haven't had that much trouble configuring X since Red Hat 4.1 or so but yes as stated all along Debian is much higher barrier to entry there should be nvidia-glx-src - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver nvidia-kernel-src - NVIDIA binary kernel module but once ENTERED its much more blissful redhat probes the PCI bus, chooses the right driver, tests the configuration etc ah HAH nickr: doesn't work already tried it did you install it and dumbly expect something to dhappen? HUH?! but you'd think that the debian project would have ripped redhat's code by now and used it since it is, I believe, GPL its not their style I noticed a. they dont rip things b. generally because something works doesnt mean it works right i.e. likely it violates all sorts of Debianism's hehe yea. well... here I am... blissing Debian is very good about making rules (for a reason) redhat only works with x86 much anymore you know that if you install a certain gorup of packages, the X configure debconf will autodetect everything? and generally do some evil things Debian says getting pointy point clicky click im an admin isnt worth the price nickr: walk me through that example one could argue why dont all distro's force you to run as root like (lindows does) I don't know the pakcages, I've never used that as thats much 'easier' btw: i agree with you configging my system was as easy as selecting neomagic from the driver list and i think they should rip progeny's installer :) have you seen the RedHat 7.3 installer? or the new 8.0? nickr: can attest i have sworn X on debian up and down more than one time heck, it's written in python hehe cool im not interested in anything other than debian much anymore im a GNU snob now a days (sigh) derek: Its not a matter of 'ripping' pgi, pgi is an officially supported install method well... now that I have X up and running, I suppose I'll give it a shot but... i still have a redhat 5.2 alpha processor box under my desk I really would like to get the right driver working i wiped my laptop last month from rh6.2 to debian woody and it was really painless after i stopped trying to install over the network I think I'll leave this up and see what the wife thinks and just used cd's my wife is a debian user and she surely isnt a computer person my 7 year old loves debian showed her frozen bubble and next day she was playing go fish and monopoly and im like hey whats up and she was like (its in games) theree are lots of good games wanna play one with me? last night my nephew was over (he has accoutn on wifes box) frozen bubble is my trojan horse to get the wife onto debian woody CDs should be in the post and he wanted to use MSN messenger so i installed kmerlin and viola he was messaging on MSN Action: stbain looks for frozen bubble then he whined that no java plugin ( he tried to install why i was at work ) got home and put the sources.list in and 10 minutes later he had java working in galeon stbain: dont bother its package is busted in debian right now (sigh) Action: derek is catching MAJOR crap for that here right now of all the packages to bust is it broken in woody, or just sarge/sid? i think all i tried uninstalling in sarge and updating sources to woody and reinstalling and it still failed the bug tracker said it was fixed but package wasnt there let me try to update afternoon yo nickr: i filed first debian bug to bugtracking via reportbug Action: derek really likes it (poor debian developers) they dont understand the hell they shall findeth Action: ajmitch runs hrm well... it works fine for me that's good derek: its cause you have the sarge version of libpng I bet. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("early start today"). reinhard (~rm@62.47.246.165) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard nite all stbain (gandg@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) left irc: "Ni!!!!" asp_dot_net (agent_p@203.106.185.44) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm hello hi interestin choice of nick :) :) just found out about gnu enterprise... interesting project yup, sure is how does GNU enterprise compare to Compiere? hmm... i can download geas... broken link it seems... hmm... i cant download geas... broken link it seems... i've heard someone say that compiere is currently more complete, but GNUe has the better framework geas is obsolete, they're working on appserver now but compiere only support oracle at the moment... oic... yeah, GNUe supports a whole heap of databases :) asp_dot_net: the main point i see there is that compiere is not really free i mean compiere depends and builds upon a lot of non-free things like java, oracle, etc. oic since u guys been working on the new app server.. why there is no link for d/l? the web page is a _bit_ outdated say 6 months or so and we are working on a complete rewrite erm... so u mean no updates on the website yet? so we did not very much maintainance of the old one :( so how to d/l then? just a sec http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/appserver/ thanx i have a look then hmm... quite 'small size' for a app server... :) appserver is in POC state POC = piece of crap err POC = proof of concept ;) haha wut should i get now to have things running? what is most usable currently is forms/reports/designer in 2-tier mode (w/o appserver) best with postgres backend i believe there should be some tons of examples in the respective packages so u dont need appserver? that great! ok the gnue tools can be used in "2-tier mode" and "n-tier mode" 2-tier mode means forms talks directly to database ever try it on MSSQL or MySQL? which has the disadvantage that you have to put the logic into the form but has the advantage that it works already :) mysql should work not sure about mssql ok then i try out on mssql... the packages... i am keen to try out the sales and accounts module as i am doing something similar for my company... what is their status? planning or proposal u have quite a detail whitepaper on accounts already... they r very helpful to me... :) but the sales proposal is a broken link here... btw... website shows that report is still in POC state... any new updates? asp_dot_net (agent_p@203.106.185.44) left irc: asp_dot_net (agent_p@210.186.53.4) joined #gnuenterprise. any body home? yup browsing thru the downloads directory... wut purpose are 'common', 'dcl' and 'bayonne' for? common is the base lib for the GNUe tools dcl & bayonne are also part of GNUe (dcl is at dcl.sf.net, bayonne at www.bayonne.org) hmm... www.bayonne.org not available.. Action: ajmitch ties to recall http://www.gnu.org/software/bayonne/ thanks Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello hi hey Arturas Bayonne is a interesting project.. yup bbiab asp_dot_net (agent_p@210.186.53.4) left irc: Isomer (dahoose@port-62-147.jet.net.nz) got netsplit. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) got netsplit. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port2.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port2.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) returned to #gnuenterprise. Isomer (dahoose@port-62-147.jet.net.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-244-249.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi i have a problem with pysablot when running grcvs whit --filter i get: Unable to load PySablot. i have PySablot, Sablotron and libjs installed (rpms) if, from python, i do import PySablot, i get: ImportError: /usr/lib/libsablot.so.0: undefined symbol: JS_PropertyStub hmmm does rpm do versioned dependencies? Action: ajmitch guesses it would i think so, but i think it is based on the .spec file, so if the .spec is wrong... how can i see the list of symbols of libjs.so ? nm or objdump objdmp -t /usr/lib/libjs.so | grep Stub gives me JS_PropertyStub Action: ajmitch does not know does someone know where date is formated (from '2002.08.02' to '02/08/02')? (from database format to form format) Action: Arturas feels happy and would like to kick someone's *** for hiding hardcoded date format :) bamse (~laurent@212.234.98.9) joined #gnuenterprise. Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) left #gnuenterprise ("lunch"). ajmitch: i found the following at gingerall: Rich, David said at 20:21 31-5-2002: >/usr/local/lib/libsablot.so.0: undefined symbol: JS_PropertyStub you need php-4.2.1, then use: --with-sablot-js=DIR Sablotron: enable JavaScript support for Sablotron Best regards, Melvyn Sopacua WebMaster IDG.nl _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ If it applies, where it applies - this email is a personal contribution and does not reflect the views of my employer IDG.nl. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Archives and info: http://www.gingerall.org/charlie/ga/xml/m_ml.xml Mailing list maintained by Ginger Alliance i'm trying to recompile sablotron... jamest (~jamest@64.39.201.174) joined #gnuenterprise. morning reinhard (~rm@62.47.246.165) left irc: "If you think there is good in everybody, you haven't met everybody" siesel (jan@dial-195-14-226-209.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ! siesel (jan@dial-195-14-226-209.netcologne.de) left irc: Client Quit lupo_ (~lupo@217.80.84.5) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Gimmy (~jchilders@adsl-065-081-070-231.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net) left irc: hi jan hi ariel, whats up? just to say hallo, today is my last day at work i'm going on vacation for a month and i don't think i will have access to the net i will be back in september Action: ariel_ says see yoy later to everibody you have fun! thanks yeah, enjoy your vacation :) now serious matter :( i have a problem with sablotron if i do import Sablot (or import PySablot) i get: ImportError: /usr/lib/libsablot.so.0: undefined symbol: JS_PropertyStub so when running grcvs whit --filter i get: Unable to load PySablot. i have PySablot, Sablotron and libjs installed where is your libjs? /usr/lib ldd /usr/lib/libsablot.so.0 ? libc.so.6 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 that's all have you compiled it yourself or from RPM? both, also compiled and configured --enable-javascript --with-sablotron-js and you haven't forgotten ldconfig? :) nooo! (and the Makefile itself calls it during install) Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. objdmp -t /usr/lib/libjs.so | grep Stub gives me JS_PropertyStub ariel: which op. system are you using ? I tryed to compile pysablot myself, but it didnt work, only the precompiled debian package was working haha i found! libjs does not have "x" permission wait... no, i did chmod +x but still have error siesel: RH 7.3 the problem is not in PySablot but in Sablot the first line of PySablot.py is: import Sablot Action: ariel_ is away: busy Gimmy (~jchilders@adsl-065-081-070-231.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@194.8.205.214) left irc: "Real programmers code it into the client" lupo_ (~lupo@217.80.84.5) left #gnuenterprise. Hi all. What's in the bayonne directory exactly, and do I need to DL it to see where things are at? um we mirror the offical bayonne sources so it should be just a copy of office site's download section Thanks, I'm new to non-MS dev so I'm trying to grok it all as fast as I can... ah, cool the offical bayonne site is at http://www.gnu.org/software/bayonne/bayonne.html a very, very brief description of it is you can do those phone interactive systems like "press 1 for verbal abuse, press 2 to be ignored, press 3 if you think we really care about you as a customer, etc, etc" but it's more powerfull than just that you can have systems phone home, interface w/ voice mail systems, create interactive applications What part does it play in GNUe? i'd our official solutoin to building interactive phone systems (like above) for service dispatch or something? eventually we want our forms client to work w/ it so that users can input data via a phone interface oh, hmmm... ok, cool ok, looked at the site. Cool stuff. If I want to review the current code status does Bayonne have to be installed or will stuff work without it? reinhard (~rm@62.47.246.165) joined #gnuenterprise. sorry, back bayonne is not required most GNUe tools can stand alone so if you want to use just forms or just reports then are you free to do so however all the gnue tools, except bayonne and dcl, will require GNUe Common as it's our core library check. I have python installed, will I need all the other 3rd party components listed (mySQL etc)? BTW thanks for the help you only need db drivers for dbs you use you will need the wxpython installed if you want to use forms as it's the only UI driver currently working sigh don't like it? no, it just reminds me I need to get off my arse and work on it wx is love/hate for us love it as it gives us win32, *nix, Mac OS/X gui in one package oh lol :) checklist getting long eh? hate it as it's quirky as hell cross platform is huge value-add the UI system is designed to take drivers but needs cleaned up and refined Hi Jamest jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning Jason :) have a small question about i18n date format now we have hardcoded it in GFDisplayHandler.py file as %m/%d/%y as far as i see the only way to i18n would be to add this format to gnue.conf because we can't take it from locale or so (locale can format it for us, but i'm not sure whether this wont break other code) so i'd like to add something like dateFormatMaskView & dateFormatMaskEdit to gnue.conf ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-244-249.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" what do you think about this? the intent is to use the FormatMask system and set a default DateMask in gnue.conf as i saw files in common/src/FormatMasks are practically unused (i spent a whole day yesterday trying to figure out why my changes there are not reflected when visual form is showed :/ ) hi it's like the UI driver thing...in the works....some decade my biggest fear is introducing incompatabilities when the "correct" solution is implemented mm, incompatabilities with what? Action: Arturas thinks he has found something close to 'correct' solution and now is interested in what he has missed did you implement in the FormatMasks? date mask format? in GFDisplayHandler.py found some code and corrected it to take format masks from gnue.conf is it wrong decision? what I'm saying is that is a temporary solution, and I just want to make sure it doesn't break people's setups when we implement the correct system code was: yes old code was a hack I know formatmask = '%m/%d...' i modified it to: formatmaks = gConfig('formatMask...') it was a place holder until we could get DateMasks working ah but for the time being, moving to gnue.conf will work I suppose although I wouldn't call it "formatMask" perhaps DefaultDateMask?? because we may want a default number mask too so formatMask= wouldn't look right when we added the number one too dateFormatMaskView & dateFormatMaskEdit variables in gnue.conf i though about this leaves place for number & any other masks I just don't want to spend too much time on that solution as it'll be replaced how hard would it be to use this as first case to get formatmasks working? if art's already been working in there actually, for the most part, format masks do work I just needed a way to hook them into forms jamest_: please, could you express yourself in a bit different words - i do understand words, but not the meaning of the sentence :/ that was the intention of GFDisplayHandler -- to provide hooks for FormatMasks but once I implemented GFDisplayHandler, life intervened Arturas: If you have already done the date work in the format mask code Arturas: then rather than change to the temporary solution Arturas: we might want to just finish tying the format mask code into forms life intervened == you got a house with a pool? :) Action: jamest_ is paying back for ratting me out about my gaming addiction :) life intervened == wife reallocated time I could spend on computer plus I had to do real work at NCS lol yeah, the pool too man that takes about 2 hrs every 2-3 days to maintain and I don't like to swim so I hardly get in there that just sucks more work but no added pleasure oooooo that sounds like marriage :) Action: jcater /clears that one oooooo good thing we don't have a wifebot doing logs yeah luckily bigsister is down 1) my changes are ready to commit; 2) now and with next code we'll need to take format masks from gnue.conf and bigger part of my changes is to insert two format variables into gnue.conf; 3) the same changes i entered in GFDisplayHandler will probably (90%) needed for format mask files if you don't mind i'll commit these changes well hang on or i can commit only the part of inserting format variables into gnue.conf sigh... users... brb and wait with GFDisplayHandler changes fortune Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die. |xBANG| (~xxxx@212.234.176.21) joined #gnuenterprise. <|xBANG|> hello all. hi <|xBANG|> hey dudes. wher can ia find developpers working on BAyonne ? <|xBANG|> gnu com project <|xBANG|> :o) .. <|xBANG|> ok lets talk weather then !! PARIS Sucks !! raining all day !!! :o)) <|xBANG|> .. xB|BAYoNNE (xBaNg@ATuileries-106-1-2-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #gnuenterprise. <|xBANG|> pliz msg xB|BAYoNNE to discuss BaYOnne Issues. <|xBANG|> . <|xBANG|> have a nice day all ! <|xBANG|> later. |xBANG| (~xxxx@212.234.176.21) left #gnuenterprise. yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem126-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. sigh my office is a mess good morning Derek, nice note to begin your day with :) lupo_ (~lupo@pD9505405.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/ doesn't work hi, the machine is moving to other place oh all right then :) motek (~motek@m103.net81-65-108.noos.fr) joined #gnuenterprise. and designer is still broken in cvs - you can't place widgets on a form :( motek (~motek@m103.net81-65-108.noos.fr) left #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "work" lupo_ (~lupo@pD9505405.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" stbain (~stbain@66.207.65.76) joined #gnuenterprise. greetz hi bye Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) left irc: "Client Exiting" yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem126-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@65.101.4.211) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: stbain -> stbain|away Action: stbain|away heads to lunch Nick change: stbain|away -> stbain psu (psu@158.152.23.141) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all Action: psu loves this project sometimes gah I take back what I said about SAP I'm dumb I was trying to write a short "What you need to run GNUe" piece there was a toplevel configure script and makefiles ancd such I missed them because I untarred in my home directory & started with a fairly safe "you need a computer" but of course even that's not true ;-) thanks to bayonne hehe well you're not *running* beyonne on your phone, just accessing it via beyonne I suppose you need at least one computer somewhere for the bayonne server unless you make a Turing machine out of string and sticky-back plastic nickr but one could say that a computer is not necessary for a gnue client as just a plain telephone could be a client certainly to have a gnue application you need a computer somewhere :)

A GNUe client need not necessarily be a modern desktop computer - work is underway on supporting on both character-based terminals (curses) and phone-based 'forms.'

dneighbo_: indeed, but i would contend that you aren't RUNNING gnue in that case, merely accessing true to run gnue you need a computer to access gnue (i.e. have a gnue client) you may not need a computer Gimmy (~jchilders@adsl-065-081-070-231.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net) left irc: psu: i think some day support for ipaqs, yopy and zaurus and such woudl be a possibility bamse (~laurent@212.234.98.9) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: psu awaits FreeMedium, the GNU telepathy project ;-) s/FreeMedium/StringCopyleftMedium s/String/Strong s/psu/psu+brain i know many a geek that is waiting for GNU FreeLove "software is like sex, it's better when it's free" of course OpenSource love is better than Proprietary Love (although not as good as FreeLove) 'cause at least you can SEE the source well, /me would prefer BSDLove because personally I don't want any derivatives given back in source form to me Action: psu is away: KC-loving roflmao (certainly teh 'viralness' of GPLLove would scare me off ;) re this ebayer misrepresents his item then expects me to send the item back and wait on a check from him. and he lives an hour or so away.. I could walk up to his apt door if I wanted. sigh well i couldnt handle the mysql vs postgres debate so i posted a story to slashdot Derek Neighbors writes "The current story about MySQL 4.0 has erupted into a Postgres vs. MySQL debate. We at GNU Enterprise, who have used about all Free and Propietary databases, would like to know why exactly people arent using SAP-DB? It clearly is on par with Oracle, is GPL and frankly has an awesome support team in SAP AG. There was a PG vs SAP-DB recently. Someone else mentioned that you can get CDROMs for free. So again the question is "Wha eptance of SAP-DB in Free/Open Software projects?"" Action: dneighbo_ realizes with website dashed up its not optimal timing, but figure they never post crap i submit anyhow fuck! my DSL can't handle slashdotting!!!! DAMN YOU dont sweat it, likely hood of them posting anything is slim to none :) SAPD-DB has little community support.. which may be more important to an open-source product than anything else... (that was in a joking tone) Mr_You: eh? if i was THINKING i would have put our url as the gnu.org site (i just forget we have it at times) Mr_You : i disagree well i agree and disagree from a DEVELOPER standpoint they have the largest community i have seen The mailing list has so much traffic I can't keep up in sense they are only one with a boat load of PAID developers than actually answer questions immediately i.e. i think the technical support might be better than most commercial support (from what i read on teh email list anyhow) you are correct that the USER community is pretty much non existent but its chicken vs egg i think most of folks using SAP-DB currently are SAP R/3 customers so they belong to SAP R/3 communities not Free Software communities not until more free/open projects start to use SAP-DB will you see the user community spring up more there is finally a good portal site in place to help breed this We at GNU Enterprise? Whos we? does our sap/db support work ? er, I mean, does it work as well as our postgresql? not entirely but the SAP-DB is installing it and testing it for us and has committed to fix the python SAP-DB driver to suit if problems arise jbailey is workign on debian packages as well for SAP-DB SAP your resources and your sanity jamest_ is there a way to suck in a csv file into postgres? i.e. if i have table foo with cols a,b and c if i have a flatfile that has a,b,c val1,val1,val1 val2,val2,val3 is there a way to just < that into the table? two lines of perl? well i could do with python quickly as well on a windows machine pgAdminII for normal users i have pgAdminII lets you import csv files also has a access importer under tools -> import wizard IIRC cool the data is in access i converted from access to postgres but need to add more data i used the migration wizard trying import tool (somehow i missed it when looking) since access is, um, fucked, with regard to field types all your char() data ends up as text yeah i have dealt with that :) sigh my users don't understand why fields all set to text is a bad thing honestly for text stuff neither do i i have come to say on todays hardware pure char() is evil (in 99.9% of cases) varchar is nice generally that is usable (and i do see the value) text is well flexible :) because text lets you enter this is where i live in the field "city" i don't think you can do that w/ a varchar roflmao laugh but i know people that will do it put things like james thompson/Kwalitee Koder sucky in the field "name" the import wizard only does comma delimited not direct access ooo and the migration tool forces you to create a database Action: jcater has users put notes in the "city" field because that's the most convenient place for her er tables not just let you move the data you have to download the access importer from the pgadmin site it's seperate yeah its the migration tool jcater: bingo its separate cause its GPL :) fwiw: it now has a type map so you can map those crappy access types properly yummy text importer worrked like a champ YEE HAW it has a type map!!!!! Action: jamest_ does a dance GAR man I'm really suprised the nice people at /. haven't posted this little jewel from bugtrac i've waited all day for it Be sure to read the new EULA/privacy statement for Windows update, it has an interesting portion about how Windows Update and Automatic Update (which gets installed with SP3) can, by agreeing to this license, send the following pieces of info to Microsoft, this was posted on the MS focus list by Javier Sanchez: "With the latest version of Windows Update (essentially a mandatory download and now part of SP3) you consent to sending the following information to Microsoft: * Operating-system version number and Product Identification number * Internet Explorer version number * Version numbers of other software * Plug and Play ID numbers of hardware devices * SSN ** Credit Card Number * Authorization for credit report * Blood type oh wait thats right, M$ can steal from you without those things, silly me siesel (jan@213.168.72.48) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all! hi siesel (jan@213.168.72.48) left irc: "lr" yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem126-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hello aloha stbain (~stbain@66.207.65.76) left irc: "Ni" reinhard (~rm@62.47.246.165) left irc: "Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate" ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" holy smokey the bear where? on june 3/4 of this year gates cashed out 10,000,000 shares of mickey soft Sale at $49.19 - $51.15 per share. (Proceeds of about $501,700,000) is homey picking up his cards and going home? i want to see the list of other folks that in a 24 hr period can bring home half a BILLION dollars Warren Buffet? mmm, a warren buffet i didnt say no one else could i said i would like to see the list :) i like how the brits express money better its more potent than the US as its not 1 billion dollars there its a 1000 million 'xcept we don't anymore which gives SO MUCH more emphasis on how much money a billion really is been infected by americanitus nah there was a gradual shift a billion isn't worth nearly as much as it used to be :) you know what's funny about modern-day america, though? in the good ole days, the richest in america actually to the extent that now a billion means by default 1000 million not 1 000 000 million unless qualified otherwise could say they held a certain (double digit, sometimes) percent of american wealth but these days, even gates et al don't even come close to a single percent we were talking about this at work the other day you realize that 365days x 25 years is 9125days of course, I'd still like gates' money regardless of the percentages :) 9125days / 1billion is 109589.0411 so a billion dollars woudl allow you to spend 100,000 a DAY for 25 years before depletion and thats if you didnt have what you werent spending working to make you more man, the interest on that would be amazing i think one of the oil magnates said it best in "if you can count your money, you dont have a billion dollars" to put in perspective someone was saying M$ had a 40 billion dollar war chest so they could spend 500,000 a DAY for 25 years and not burn it up but, but, but not to mention the interest they make Scrooge McDuck was a quadri-zillionaire and he could count his money to the penny and people think they are nuts for losing like 200 million on Xbox to get market penetration hahahaha just by swimming in it well, I didn't get slashdotted today that's a good thing to be sure, most of his money is in the form of gold now I don't have to drive all the way to AZ rofl, they wont post it, they dont like me to kick someone's arse thus all that money ttakes up a lot less space nickr: you only have to lend out a million or so to get getting thousands a day in interest nickr: true dat i know, that used to be part of my job we would lend banks a couple of million, get it back next day plus a few grand interest i mean even in the safest of investments with like 3% return rate woudl be incredible on that kind of csh er cash generally probably good investment with that kind of money is mortgage lending in the secondary market what is sickening is thinking about how much it would cost to fix up underdeveloped nations sewers, water supplies, etc well jcater, i think gates ego might prove what it costs as if a certain bill passes in peru, he might just try to buy a country Action: ajmitch is sickened to think of developing countries getting hooked on MS I'd think you'd buy a cheaper country, like Guianna one billion over 25 years compounded at 3% is just over 2 billion ;-) hey, then you'd have a prime launch place controlling the US senate/house was a fun hobby, but its lacking the excitement it did pre-trial a central american dictatorship would be much more fun nickr its not a challenge to the ego to get Guianna I forget which country, but one announced it was going to go with Free Software and then M$ said it would give them a bunch of software.. peru is sizable enough its a challenge but affordable enough to mitigate long term financial risk mexico? peru though gates might be eyeing instead argentina steak! much more of a coup if he could buy them out and their stock is continuing to fall just like drug dealers, give it to'em for free so later they'll want to buy it from you prop up the economy with his generosity, fatten it up, then slit it's throat? ;) ajmitch no i think this time he wants to buy it "he gives the kids free samples, because he knows full well he has been telling melinda she is a 'queen' she called his bluff and told him to 'prove it' "that today's young innocent faces, are tomorrow's clientel" so this is a logical step hey, that's happening in NZ - the govt making deals with MS, schools get 'free' MS software Action: ajmitch is away now :) Action: Mr_You & Action: psu remebers when the job advts used to ask for Wordperfect or 1-2-3 experience yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem126-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" all m$Office now psu was that back when you drove your horse and buggy to the office Action: dneighbo_ runs Action: psu cut his teeth on SuperCalc 2 back when / was a menu command, none of this sub-directory nonsense ;-) rofl i actually wrote a supercalc2 application to track baseball stats for a baseball video game i had for my pcjr yeah! and who needs mroe than a few characters in a file name! wordstar was pure bliss Action: dneighbo_ does kind of laugh that they cant make things like palm/ipaq do more jcater: gfcvs is part of a long tradition, then? Action: jcater wanted it shorter than that but others objected f for forms d for designer r for reports makes sense to me ff for cvs version of forms fd for cvs version of designer etc (fscked forms, fscked designer... in case you were wondering :) roflmao fd isnt working everytime i use it my floppy drive light starts to blink dneighbo: that's a feature - "works for me" dneighbo_: we have a longer command for you as you like descriptive stuff it's called rm -rf / I know most commands don't have spaces, but trust us on this one ah yes that seems to delete my / menu though no it starts off in the main menu hence the single / er wait it didnt run it but now the ff and fr stopped working something about file not found rm -rf / --> "remote menu (with the reports and forms support -- starting in the main (/) menu) hmm i think that machine locked up i cant seem to find any files rofl "works for me" psu (psu@158.152.23.141) left #gnuenterprise ("client exiting - kernel panic"). 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