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<stbain> greetz
<Mr_You> hi
<ajmitch> yo
<jamest> dneighbo: make sure your modutils are up to date
<jamest> or modconf won't see the modules avail
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<dneighbo> im having brain fart 
<dneighbo> what is the term for person that does something just because it feels good
<dneighbo> gack its on tip of my tongue and i cant think of it
<stbain> addict?
<dneighbo> no
<stbain> pleasurist?
<dneighbo> im thinking of a philosphic term
<stbain> my wife would probably know from her extensive calvinistic studies
<stbain> lemme run next door and ask
<ajmitch> hedonist?
<dneighbo> yes
<dneighbo> hedonistic
<dneighbo> thats what i was looking for
<dneighbo> kiwi's are good for something after all
<ajmitch> hehe
<dneighbo> see ajmitch and you thought all that schooling was for not
<ajmitch> ah well
<chillywilly> calvin...
<chillywilly> heh
Action: dneighbo wants to know how stbain swings keeping his wife next door
<dneighbo> thats some kind of setup
<dneighbo> stbain: anymore looking at dcl or at acclite(nola)?
<ajmitch> dcl is hot
<dneighbo> hot?
<ajmitch> dneighbo: how about some defaults for priorities & severites in dcl?
<ajmitch> yeah, it's nice stuff
Action: dneighbo is missing some kiwi dialect lingo i think ;)
<ajmitch> just got it installed
<dneighbo> jbailey said he would send you donuts
<dneighbo> IF
<dneighbo> you would do the debconf stuff for him and send a patch
<dneighbo> um yeah thats the ticket
<ajmitch> hehe ;)
<stbain> dneighbo: DCL is definitely a go
<ajmitch> cool
<stbain> I sent that email to the NOLA mailing list and haven't received any favorable responses
<stbain> so I imagine we'll end up with Great Pains
<stbain> :(
<dneighbo> have you received ANY responses?
Action: dneighbo wonders if he is busy getting a conjuncial visit from next door
<ajmitch> hehe
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<stbain> hehe
<stbain> yes, 1 response to my questionnaire
<stbain> and a few others that were interested in my findings
<stbain> nite all
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<dneighbo> night
<dneighbo> anyone know who won the mole?
<dneighbo> wife is asking not me
<ajmitch> heh
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<dneighbo> hi psu
<psu> hi dneighbo
<psu> yay woody CDs came yesterday
<psu> this weekend's mini-project is to set the laptop free
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<Arturas> Hello
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<siesel> hi
<Arturas> good morning :)
<siesel> I would like if it still would be morning :)
<Arturas> :) what time is now in your place?
<siesel> 12:36 am
<siesel> no, sorry: 12:36 pm
<Arturas> ??
<Arturas> not 00:36 pm?
<siesel> I mean high noon :)
<Arturas> :) 12:38 [without any those *m :) ]
<Arturas> not so bad - you'll have lunch break soon :)
<siesel> today lunch break will be go home and look for children = no time to finish the things I still have to do :(
<Arturas> good luck :) let binary voodoo be with you :)
<siesel> :)
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<Arturas> good morning jamest :)
<jamest> morning
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<ajmitch> hi
<siesel> hi ajmitch
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<siesel> hi
<ajmitch> hey siesel
<ajmitch> thought you'd be gone by now :)
<siesel> son is sleeping :)
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<siesel> hi jamest
<jamest> hello again
Action: jamest is off and on all morning :)
<siesel> btw. do you know where I can get the irclogs? jcater doesn't provide it over his dsl line :)
Action: ajmitch is going to get an early night now, bye all
<ajmitch> have fun on your trip siesel ;)
<jamest> siesel: no
<jamest> gnuebot should be logging
<jamest> but I don't recall that old url
<siesel> ajmitch: thx, I wish you a good night
<siesel> .../irc-logs/...
<siesel> or does gnuebot writes it to another place first?
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<Arturas> hi again :)
<jamest> gnuebot is a different computer entirely
<siesel> does this computer provides http access on the logs?
<jamest> it used to
<jamest> but I don't recall the URL
<jamest> dneighbo might recall it
<siesel> thx
<Arturas> siesel: you meant accessing this channel logs via www?
<jamest> Arturas: that's what he wants
<Arturas> they used to be on http://www.gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/, but now they are not accessable :/
<siesel> yep, and gnuebot is on 65.101.4.211 = www.libertydistribution.com, but that doesn't help a lot
<jamest> dude
<jamest> good thing this isnt logged
<jamest> publicaly 
<jamest> as I have to vent
<jamest> user INSISTS on entering name data as mixed case
<stbain|zzz> it must be logged somewhere
<stbain|zzz> lest psu not be able to KC It
<jamest> so we get MRS Mrs mrs
<jamest> now it's postgresqls fault it doesn't automatically ignore case
<jamest> i push uppercase as its, um, the US Post Office std
<jamest> of course that means exactly DICK
<jamest> they whip out a copy of a correct label all upper case that was misdelived due to zip error
<jamest> "see, uppercase data isn't any better"
Action: jamest feels his IQ dropping rapidly
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> sorry
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<Arturas> someone knows - will jcater be here today?
<jamest> he can't stay away
<jamest> we're like donuts for his soul
<Arturas> :)
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<siesel> hi jcater
<Arturas> good morning jcater :)
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<memmett> hi all.
<memmett> i think there's a mistake in the current gnue kernel cousin
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<Arturas> bye
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<dneighbo_> crud anyone know ascii code for tab?
<dneighbo_> 10?
<jcater> 9
<jcater> 10 is CR
<jcater> err, LF
<jcater> 13 is CR
<jcater> (oops)
<dneighbo_> i think its 8 or 10
<dneighbo_> but cant recall
<dneighbo_> i will try 10
<dneighbo_> 7 is beep and 13 CR
<dneighbo_> those are about only two i ever remember
<jcater> it is 9
<jcater> 8 is backspace
<jcater> 10 is LF
<jcater> 13 is CR
<jcater> 7 is Bell
<jcater> lemme verify w/google
<jcater> yip
<jcater> http://www.asciitable.com/
<dneighbo_> so what is tab
<dneighbo_> as 10 cuases me some issues :)
<jcater> 9
<jamest> what pc based doesn't cause you isses
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<stbain> greetz
<dneighbo_> jamest you run dual athlon w/ debian dont you?
<dneighbo_> or jcater?
<dneighbo_> what kernel-image did you use?
<dneighbo_> or did you compile your own?
<dneighbo_> i think 9 worked (rock)
<jamest> you can use the smp kernel for 686 if you have < 900MB of ram
<jamest> i have to compile custom kernel based on the 686 smp config on my duals as they al lhave 1GB+
<dneighbo_> can i give your email address to someone who is trying to do a dual athlon setup?
<dneighbo_> fwiw: i have never been within 20 miles of said computers
<dneighbo_> er computer
<dneighbo_> nevermind im just pointing them to #gnuenterprise
<dneighbo_> its #debian half the time anyhow :)
<dneighbo_> thats why i love it, none of this rtfm or we are too snooty to answer you
<dneighbo_> i think we are leading postgres support channel as well 
<jcater> we are the leading mysql support channel as well
<jcater> "move to postgres or SAPDB"
<jcater> very supportive
<jcater> oooo, and redhat
<dneighbo_> between debian, postgres, python, mysql do we actually do support for gnue anymore ;)
<dneighbo_> jcater: i saw your post to sap list did it ever get answered
<jcater> no
<jcater> :(
<dneighbo_> i have been talking a lot to daniel off list
<dneighbo_> he had mentioned the oracle 7 compatiablity mode and some features in the python driver?
<dneighbo_> that it sounded like a cheap way to do some query compatiablity testing
<jamest> you can give my email
<jamest> or have him stop by here and msg me
<jamest> as it can be a PITA
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<stbain> sapdb really that good?
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<psu> stbain: it's all about position in the db food chain
<psu> you start at the bottom w/ your M$ Access 
<psu> then move up to MySQL, then to postgreSQL
<psu> but after that 
<psu> next step up is the industrial-strength databases
<psu> where Oracle is the 800-pound gorilla
<psu> but 
<psu> SAP-DB has aspirations to be the Pepsi
<psu> </mixed_metaphor>
<jamest> oooo
<stbain> cool
<psu> also it is always significant when a big co puts something that was non-free under GPL
<jamest> access = slime mold
<psu> "more joy in heaven over one sinner repented" etc
<jamest> mysql = dolphin?
<stbain> where does MS SQL Server (mold on slime mold) fit in the food chain?
<jamest> postgres = elephant
<jamest> oracle = gorilla
<jamest> GNUE = the goat that wants to jiggy with all of 'um
<stbain> python/perl drivers for SAP-DB are ready for primetime use?
<psu> python drivers I think are high-profile with the SAP-DB developers now
<psu> 'cause there's this weird GPL enterprise project out there
<psu> keeps asking about them
<psu> ;-)
<stbain> hehe
<stbain> what about PHP?
<stbain> reason I ask is that I interviewed yesterday w/ a company that works w/ a lot of PHP/Oracle projects
<stbain> I'm betting they'd love to be able to slash the costs of their solutions w/ something like SAP-DB
<jcater> so, what are you saying, psu?
<jcater> Oracle wants to drink SAP-DB w/its meal?
<psu> allegedly, SAP-DB in its former naughty life as ADABAS-D supported OBDC natively 
<psu> so yes
<psu> I'd check that one out, however
<stbain> From version 4.0.3, PHP 4 accesses SAP DB via PHP's Unified ODBC and the SAP DB ODBC-driver. Similar to Perl, this can be performed using a driver manager.
<stbain> so you have to load unix odbc
Action: psu can envisage jcater in Oracle's huge mitts being waved from top of Empire State
<psu> whilst the SAP-DB planes fly around
<jcater> funny
<psu> "It wasn't the planes... it was donuts killed the beast"
<jcater> I envisioned it more as Oracle using jcater as toilet paper
<jcater> but that's just me
Action: psu must stop eating cheese before bedtime
<jamest> psu - about that new website
<jamest> how is it comming along?
<psu> yep
<psu> I can have it ready to roll within 48 hours of ash's return if we want
<psu> not finished, but "Under construction" like all the best websites
<psu> and better (=more up to date) than what we have
<jamest> sounds good to me 
<psu> I have being doing a last round of changes as suggested by jcater
<jamest> if others are ok w/ it
<dneighbo_> dres: DB Wars
<dneighbo_> i hear lots of good things about MSSQL (dont hit me)
<dneighbo_> i think its well above access and likely MySQL
<memmett> i'm curious to see the new website
<dneighbo_> probably even postgres
<dneighbo_> BUT its a single platform and has bad license
<dneighbo_> so i rule it out for anything
<dneighbo_> oracle, db2 etc have the bad license but at least i can run on windowsNT on through my OS/390
<psu> dneighbo: we did actually have one vendor suggest it for a 1000 named/200 concurrent user set-up
<stbain> heh
<dneighbo_> psu: i think it can handle that, im not saying its mickey mouse
<dneighbo_> im saying it ties your rump to mickey soft and thats just bad news
<psu> for about 10 seconds before he read IT's body language
<dneighbo_> SAP-DB is comparable to Oracle and in some ways looks like it might be better than DB2
<dneighbo_> and is GPL
<dneighbo_> it has an Oracle 7 compatiablity mode to try to get people off oracle, but its not always a 'clean' switch
<dneighbo_> as jcater can attest there are still some issues to address
Action: psu would expect it's probably on a par with the early Word filters for OpenOffice
<dneighbo_> dres: php i believe (though i might be nuts) that there are now native SAP-DB functions for php so you dont have to use the ODBC
<dneighbo_> just like there are for perl and python
<stbain> shweet
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<stbain> isn't there a python DB API?
<stbain> like Perl's DBI and DBD?
<jamest> yip
<jamest> http://www.python.org/sigs/db-sig/
<dneighbo_> and hopefully we can have some day in DB-SIG 3.0
<jamest> gnue is based upon it
<jamest> er
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<jamest> gnue common db driver system
<stbain> cool
<dneighbo_> i stand correct stbain PHP support is till through ODBC
<dneighbo_> i think its just more official and you can compile --with-sapdb
<dneighbo_> or such and it does the odbc stuff for you or something
Action: dneighbo_ notes its been a LONG time since i dorked with php in that fashion
<dneighbo_> i love that all python interfaces are native (and might i add BEST supported)
<dneighbo_> in fact it is only binding that has full api to things outside querying and such
<dneighbo_> like the database manager and the replication manager 
<dneighbo_> stbain you might look here http://homepages.fh-giessen.de/~hg7494/usefull/laps_english.html
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<stbain> cool
<stbain> will do
<stbain> time to goto church picnic
<stbain> l8r all
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<dneighbo_> sup dyfet 
<dyfet> oh not much right now...just working thru bayonne issues
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<dneighbo_> gack im having emacs brain lock
<dneighbo_> what is C- in emacs?
<dneighbo_> M-x i know is meta key normally (alt)
<dneighbo_> but a Ctrl-x produces C-c-x not C-x
<dneighbo_> how do i get just a C-x?
<dneighbo_> doh nevermind my bad
<dneighbo_> forgot wasnt in scratch buffer
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<dyfet> derek, we may soon have another gnu hospital...
<dneighbo_> ?
<dneighbo_> gnu hospital, im curious about what the first gnu hospital was
<jamest> sounds like a soap opra
<jamest> Dr. Neighbors please report to ER stat
<jcater> "GNU Hospital... because we care about geeks down on their luck"
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<dyfet> a gnu hospital is of course a hospital that uses gnu software :)
<dyfet> The first one I did was actually a server for a hospital in alaska
<dyfet> but that was quite a few years back...
<dyfet> I have been asked about setting up a gnu bayonne server for a hospital in this state.
<nickr> I thought it was a very specialized animal hospital
<dyfet> true :)
<dneighbo_> roflmao
<dneighbo_> well a gnu hospital (in nick's terms) might do ok in africa, but certainly would be like an internet IPO in arizona (i.e. not worth much)
<dneighbo_> dyfet i think hospitals are a place gnue will do well
<dneighbo_> fwiw: i NEED to get workign with bayonne
<dneighbo_> i have had at least 3 opps to install and such
<dyfet> cool
<dneighbo_> i should ask rich if he has a cheap card laying around that works with bayonne
<dneighbo_> as my sister's company would like general voice mail / automation, plus maybe more
<dneighbo_> and i think she has old pc laying around they dont use
<dneighbo_> would bayonne run on like pentium 200 type machine?
<dneighbo_> i was half considering, bringing the machine with me to SF and seeing if rich could get bayonne working on it
<dneighbo_> and then almost just come back and install (of course she would have to record all the messages and such
<dneighbo_> im really enamored by some of the things i think bayonne could do (for gnue)
<dneighbo_> i just havent carved time to actually get a workign setup
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<jcater> hell, yeah
<jcater> it's nice to be coding designer again
<jcater> this time, not only did I bring down X
<jcater> but xdm AND had to reboot because I put my video card in an unstable state
<jcater> ahhh, it's good to be back
<nickr> I'm sure your computer appericated the break
<jcater> yeah, that uptime was getting painful I'm sure
<nickr> hehe
<nickr> it was getting 'blue cache'
<dneighbo_> rofl
Action: dneighbo_ is just glad you checked it in for the rest of us to enjoy
<dneighbo_> From: Jason Cater <jcater@gnue.org>
<dneighbo_> To: commit-gnue@gnu.org
<dneighbo_> Subject: gnue designer/src/Instance.py designer/src/Menu...
Action: chillywilly is away: nature calls
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<dneighbo_> anyone know squat about stored procs in postgres?
<dneighbo_> i want something real simple
<dneighbo_> like
<dneighbo_> function myQuery(someparam)
<dneighbo_>   select * from tablex where dept=someparam
<dneighbo_>   return
<dneighbo_> so in an application i could call myQuery(someparam)
<dneighbo_> er myQuery(10)
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