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<ajmitch> hi jcater
<chillywilly> howdy jc
<chillywilly> sup ajmitch
<ajmitch> hello chillywilly
<chillywilly> lo
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<Mr_You> check 1 2 3
<Mr_You> still here I se
<Mr_You> waist haha
<Mr_You> oops
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<aRJAy> ello
<aRJAy> anyone around?
<Mr_You> hi
<aRJAy> :-)
<aRJAy> I have just been to the web site: www.gnuenterprise.org
<aRJAy> was doing a search on CRM software
<aRJAy> are you familiar with this aspect ?
<Mr_You> do you have a question?
<aRJAy> sure
<Mr_You> I'm tired, won't be here too much longer.
<aRJAy> is there a stand-alone CRM package that can be viewed on the website ?
<aRJAy> ok
<aRJAy> I am looking for this type of application to suit our needs
<Mr_You> GNUe is in alpha or beta stages depending on which tool you are using
<aRJAy> IC
<Mr_You> but it is in production use 
<aRJAy> well.. it comes up well in the search engines :)
<aRJAy> ok..
<Mr_You> there are no real complete packages yet.. 
<aRJAy> is there a site where I am able to view the interface ?
<aRJAy> k
<Mr_You> you would need to create your own, which is what most businesses do anyways
<aRJAy> ah ha
<aRJAy> hm.. that was not what I was counting on really..
<Mr_You> yes there are screen shots
<aRJAy> was looking for a generic set up
<Mr_You> if you are looking for complete packages it may take a while for GNUe to do that.. but the purpose of GNUe is to make applications very easily.. the designer interface is easy to use
<aRJAy> is there a working version that can be viewed, or do I need to download it and install ?
<Mr_You> and if you like you can contribute your CRM package back to GNUe if approved ;-)
<aRJAy> ok.. let's make this easy on you... I'm a windows user, and definately not a programmer at all..
<aRJAy> k
<Mr_You> well, you can install GNUe and run sample apps.. but they are not useful apps really
<aRJAy> hmm.. was looking for something that was readily made up..
<aRJAy> k
<Mr_You> actually DCL is very useful
<aRJAy> I appreciate the feedback..
<Mr_You> check out DCL for something to actually use at the moment..
<aRJAy> have you heard of OPT ?
<Mr_You> no
<aRJAy> well.. that's another package that is very useful for business applications...
<Mr_You> you can easily edit some variables in DCL so that it presents data in words other than trouble-ticket-like based.. but it depends on what type of CRM software you need..
<aRJAy> I will get the URL for you..
<aRJAy> preferably something that integrates with MS Outlook..
<Mr_You> you want CRM for internal tracking purposes or do you want CRM for customer access to internal data?
<aRJAy> contact management system
<aRJAy> both
<Mr_You> well DCL can handle internal tracking.. with remote customers submitting tickets/work orders.. 
<aRJAy> I can tell you that I speak on behalf of a number of people in small business who use MS Outlook.. something that integrates nicely with it would be superb :)
<aRJAy> ok
<aRJAy> is that still beta ? or?
<Mr_You> the rest of GNUe can accomplish the latter, but its custom to any company.
<Mr_You> DCL is production quality, very good tool
<Mr_You> its on the website
<Mr_You> its a part of GNUe
<Mr_You> customer accessible web forms client is alpha or beta, I'm planning to try it out soon for that purpose
<Mr_You> its written in php
<aRJAy> ok.. we are set up for PHP.. that's a good start :)
<Mr_You> you could try that.. if it works, it should be the easiest way to create apps
<aRJAy> I'm looking for the URL for you..
<Mr_You> all you do is create an XML file with the designer and make sure the db has all the tables correctly..
<aRJAy> it's really quite an interesting package for project management
<Mr_You> well I prefer Free Software
<aRJAy> http://sourceforge.net/projects/outreach
<aRJAy> you and I are the same then :)
<aRJAy> are you one of the developers ?
<Mr_You> no
<aRJAy> nice package.. even for a beta :)
<aRJAy> (talking of outreach)
<Mr_You> hmm would like to see whats it like, but their website is down.. feature wise it seems very similar to DCL
<aRJAy> ok
<Mr_You> working now
<Mr_You> dcl.sf.net I think
<aRJAy> well.. I have looked around for some time for different appz.. came across Outreach, and it was by far the most advanced that I'd seen
<aRJAy> k
<aRJAy> looking at that URL you gave me..
<Mr_You> I also prefer postgresql over mysql
<aRJAy> we're on MySql
<aRJAy> hmm.. cannot seem to log into that demo site..
<aRJAy> do you have an instance of that s/w running ?
<Mr_You> trying to remember this other package
<Mr_You> yes
<aRJAy> are you able to grant me guest access, or?
<aRJAy> I'll understand if you say no :)
<aRJAy> just interested in having a look at it
<Mr_You> http://keystone.whitepj.net/
<Mr_You> keystone is Free* not Free Software
<Mr_You> no sorry
<aRJAy> hmm.. forget it then :)  We don't have the money for buying more s/w right now :(
<aRJAy> just bought Ensim WEBpplication
<Mr_You> the DCL demo works fine for me
<aRJAy> hmm.. not for me 
<Mr_You> I just used support/support
<aRJAy> nope.. I tried all of them... Invalid username and password
<aRJAy> pfft
<aRJAy>  :)
<aRJAy> very odd really
<aRJAy> anyway...by the looks of the screenshots, the OPT is a lot more developed... and has a lot more features..
<Mr_You> you have caps on?
<Mr_You> caps lock
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<Arturas> Hello
<Mr_You> hi
<Mr_You> yeah its working fine
<aRJAy> nope.. no caps on.. thats for sure
<Mr_You> maybe cookies?
<ra3vat> hi all
<aRJAy> I'll try a different browswer perhaps..
<Mr_You> hi
<aRJAy> hmm.. could be cookies. but dont think so
<aRJAy> ra3vat: hi
<ra3vat> aRJAy: there is binary build of gnue tools for win32 you can easily get working in a minutes
<aRJAy> ra3vat: thanks... I might have a d/l and play.. as I explained though, I'm no developer :|
<aRJAy> phark... even tried with a different browser.. not working
<Arturas> what is not working?
Action: aRJAy notices a typo... <aRJAy> I'll try a different browswer perhaps..
<aRJAy> BROWSWER! ?
<aRJAy> heh
<aRJAy> what the..?
<aRJAy> Arturas: nope.. still not working
<Arturas> aRJAy: WHAT is still not working?? :)
<aRJAy> Arturas: I was talkigng with Mr_You about a site that we're looking at.. dcl.sourceforge.net/dcl
<aRJAy> cannot manage to get into the demo area
<Arturas> i can see login screen
<Arturas> but can't get further (don't have login there :)
<aRJAy> guest / guest
<aRJAy> hmm.. seems that I have a lock on my machine here.. am able to get into it through another machine though
<aRJAy> v.odd
<aRJAy> hmm.. turned off zonealarm pro and now it's ok :)
<aRJAy> work that out! :)
<Arturas> :)
<aRJAy> Mr_You: seem like a nice package really.
<aRJAy> nice and fast too
<ra3vat> brb
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<aRJAy> hmm.. brb
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<aRJAy> anyway.. I'm out..
<aRJAy> ciao
<ra3vat> aRJAy: bye
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<ajmitch> hi hi
<Remosi> g'evenin'
<psu> hi all
<psu> latest issue of the SAP-DB fanboys' newsletter
<psu> ;-)
<psu> aka GNUe KC #41
<psu> is now up 
<psu> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/latest.html
<ra3vat> :)
<ra3vat> hi all
<ajmitch> weee
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<ajmitch> hi jamest
<jamest> hello again
<Arturas> good morning jamest :)
<jamest> i almost dont believe it
<jamest> but I think I'm going to get to GNUe again
<ajmitch> ooh?
<psu> i thought appserver was the oo-bit? ;-)
<jamest> :)
<ajmitch> hmm has there been a week in the last 6 months where i'm not quoted in KC?
Action: ajmitch is spending too much time in here
<jamest> you should get out more
<jamest> spend some time with the sheep
<jamest> er, family
<psu> bah!
<Arturas> :)
<jamest> or you'll end up like psu and write summaries all the time
<jamest> poor guy
<ajmitch> nah
<jamest> i guess that is a bit extreme
<ajmitch> can you imagine me doing something useful?
<jamest> oooo, good point
<jamest> i'm in the same boat
<jamest> i don't recall the last commit I made
<ajmitch> you've done a lot more than i have
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<psu> jamest 18 July, according to commit-gnue
<jamest> wow
<jamest> that recent
Action: ajmitch never :)
<jamest> musta been one of my other personalities
<psu> probably jamest_ or even jamest__
<psu> ajmitch: I think your gadfly driver counts ;-)
<psu> has that been commited yet?
<ajmitch> psu: nah, that's a piece of crap
<ajmitch> yeah it's committed
<jamest> isn't that part of our coding standards though?
<ajmitch> jamest: it's non-functional with forms, due to gadfly being a POS still :)
Action: psu even got a code commit this week 
<jamest> whoa
<jamest> i've been gone too long
<ajmitch> i haven't worked around it in the driver or in gadfly
<ajmitch> psu: you?
<psu> well, sorta. jcater did the actuall commit, and his code was much better 
<ajmitch> nice
<psu> than what I wrote originally
<psu> nothing earth-shattering, just doing the tech notes indexes as .html as well as .txt
<ajmitch> yeah, i see
<psu> so I can rip #em off for the website
<ajmitch> gnue has been quite for a few days
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<ajmitch> main committers lately have been jcater & siesel
<psu> and arturas
<ajmitch> and arturas
Action: ajmitch was getting to it :)
<Arturas> if we are talking about commits - how long does it usually take up for the patch, sent through info@gnue.org to appear in source?
Action: Arturas is eager to see the biggest change in GNUe :)
<jamest> lol
<jamest> with ash down I get NO mail from gnuenterprise anymore
<psu> Arturas: remember that the @gnue.org addresses are'nt delivering at the moment
<jamest> and jcater is swamped with that real life
<Arturas> hrrrrrrrrr
<jamest> hopefully real soon
<psu> if you sent it recently,  I would re-send to jamest and jason 
<jamest> i have my kids this weekend but will be GNUe'n as time allows
<psu> at their "real" e-mail addresses
<Arturas> sent sometime this week :/
<jamest> jamest@math.ksu.edu is your best bet for me 
<Arturas> about 3 days ago
<Arturas> or more
<jamest> ash has been off line since the 1st IIRC
<jamest> what did the patch do?
<Arturas> GFDisplayHandler.py file
<Arturas> completely rewrited class
<Arturas> responsible for handling dates
<Arturas> dates should be i18n'ed
<Arturas> or maybe i can simply commit to cvs? this is a big change, but it's form specific and it works (at least for me :)
<jamest> i'm really not one to say on that
<jamest> as i have no idea what's going on in displayhandler
<jamest> can you send it to jamest@math.ksu.edu
<Arturas> ok, thank you
<jamest> i'm thinking the only thing we should do before you commit it is run it past jcater as he's "da man" in the display handler section
<Arturas> would you like me to send as cvs diff
<Arturas> or include whole changed file?
<jamest> whole file is fine w/ me
<Arturas> ok
<Arturas> going....
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<Arturas> jamest: sent :)
<jamest> Arturas: got it!
<Arturas> :)
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> looks like I get to go shopping for shoes
<jamest> it's back to school time for the kids here in the states
<Arturas> :)
<Arturas> first of september?
<jamest> 15th august
<Arturas> ah
<Arturas> first of september in Lithuania :)
<ajmitch> use the julian calendar?
<ajmitch> :)
<Arturas> ajmitch: ? what calendars are possible?
<ajmitch> hehe, don't worry ;)
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<dneighbo_> ajmitch: sonicflood kicks butt in concert, plus all their merchandise is red! ;)
<ajmitch> cool :)
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<derek> it was cool we had like 4th row seats, but then they opened up the stage so went down and were like 3 feet from band
<ajmitch> great!
<derek> ill post the pictures when film gets developed
<chillywilly> you sonicflood groupie
<derek> actually i like their praise and worship a lot, but overall not a huge fan
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<Arturas> hello and bye :)
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<vinit20> hello all
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<drochaid> feasgar math
<drochaid> just wondering if anyone here knew of a project to automated the business logic creation for a workflow system?
<drochaid> ideally with GNUe providing the interface of course :)
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