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<Mr_You> Delrod Deliver Da Mail
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<jcater_> ?
<jcater_> ^ Stray keystroke :)
<chillywilly> howdy
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<ajmitch> hi psu
<psu> hi aj
<psu> anyone need a python?
<psu> a real one, that is
<Mr_You> not me
<psu> The local reptile sanctuary has a spare 18 foot one looking for a good home
<psu> new owner must have plentiful supply of live mice & a swimming pool ;)
<ajmitch> nah, i'll be fine
<psu> maybe I should put them in touch w/the Zope guys 
<psu> in case they are looking for a kick-ass corporate mascot
<psu> ...
<Mr_You> hehe
<psu> They always say the first rule of investing is 
<psu> "Never invest in a company that has tropical fish in reception"
<psu> wonder whether that would apply to a python as well?
<Mr_You> not if its the CEOs
<Mr_You> or CTO ;-) or such he
<Mr_You> heh
<Mr_You> or the dev teams hehe
<psu> well, if the python is in IT, it becomes not an ornament
<psu> but a valued member of the team
<psu> never mind BOFH, 
<psu> set the BsnakeFH on the (l)users.
<psu> "Sorry, Mr. Squeeze is on password-resetting duty today"
<Mr_You> hahaha
<Mr_You> make a sweater or some skin paint that says "clue" on it.
<psu> "I wouldn't bother him at the moment, gets kinda cranky just before his mid-day feed"
<psu> "Lost three guys from marketing that way last week."
<psu> anyway
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<Arturas> Hello
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<Arturas> good morning :)
<jamest> hi
<paq> mornin
<Remosi> mornin'
<ajmitch> mornin
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<ajmitch> hi jcater
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<stbain> greetz
<ajmitch> ello
<Arturas> bye :)
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<johnnyb> Does anyone here know much about the NOLA port to GNUe?
<jcater> a little
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<ajmitch> dneighbo knows all though
<dneighbo> sup
<ajmitch> the usual
<ajmitch>  <johnnyb> Does anyone here know much about the NOLA port to GNUe?
<ajmitch> that was 5min ago, you've still got time to answer :)
<dneighbo> im here im here
<dneighbo> johnnyb: you still her
<dneighbo> er here
<johnnyb> sorry, yeah I'm here, just got distracted reading about the IE/SSL thing
<johnnyb> Surfing and chatting can be dangerous
<dneighbo> :)
<johnnyb> So, are you working on the NOLA port to GNUe?
<johnnyb> dneighbo: are you working on NOLA?
<ajmitch> he is
Action: ajmitch pokes dneighbo awake
<dneighbo> yes working
<johnnyb> Is there anything functioning out of it yet?
<dneighbo> a few things
<johnnyb> Even if it's in an amorphous state?
<dneighbo> basically to start we cleaned up the code (directory structure and such) and fixed some no nos
<dneighbo> (jcater did this)
<dneighbo> then converted schema to postgres so didnt have to use mysql
<dneighbo> and have started to test those changes
<johnnyb> I'm really interested in NOLA running on PostgreSQL, and also somewhat interested in GNUe, although I don't know a lot about it yet.
<dneighbo> micahy was/is working on basically making gnue screens for the backend
<dneighbo> some of the account management stuff has screens
<johnnyb> Is NOLA going to run off of GEAS?
<dneighbo> if you want working postgres NOLA you can get it from our acclite (our nola cvs for now until we merge back our changes)
<dneighbo> eventually yes it would run off of GEAS though its not scheduled for our first round of 'goals'
<johnnyb> Sounds exciting.  Is there a mailing list for this, specifically?
<dneighbo> nope
<dneighbo> we really dont want a fork at this point
<dneighbo> but NOLA hasnt adopted it so its 'limbo' for now
<johnnyb> It seems you already have one :)
<dneighbo> if we do a list and such it looks like we are brute forking it
<johnnyb> I see.
<dneighbo> johnnyb: well we had to do some RADICAL changes
<johnnyb> Of course, I'm one to like forks.
<johnnyb> But I'm odd that way.
<dneighbo> and more than one person was doing them so we needed it in cvs
<dneighbo> and until its tested and such they wont readily just accept a patch
<dneighbo> quite frankly its likely it will be fork as they may choose to not accept it
<dneighbo> though they seemed interested so we arent ruling it out
<dneighbo> **** NOTE TO ARTURAS *****
<johnnyb> Do you know if NOLA is appropriate for use in the U.S.?  Does it follow the U.S.'s accounting regulations?
<dneighbo> I would just like to inform that we now have some
<dneighbo> first functional Unicode support for wxGTK in CVS.
<dneighbo> You will need GTK 2.0 from www.gtk.org and some
<dneighbo> recent version of FreeType from www.freetype.org.
<dneighbo> Actually, I have not been able to setup freetype
<dneighbo> correctly myself so that printing still doesn't
<dneighbo> really work, but it compiles... In order to compile
<dneighbo> you need to "configure --enable-gtk2 --enable-unicode".
<dneighbo> You may expect compilation problems on systems other
<dneighbo> than my Linux glibc 2.2 system (and you need to
<dneighbo> add a link flag to -lpangoft2-1.0 to you linker)
<dneighbo> Any testing is welcome.
<dneighbo> *** END NOTE ARTURAS *****
<dneighbo> yes its US based so follows US accounting practices
<johnnyb> Excellent!  I'm starting work for a friend who does custom computer work, and I have blown him away so far with what Free software can do
<johnnyb> So we're working on a full GNU-based terminal product for use in small businesses
<johnnyb> An accounting package seemed a necessity, but I really hate MySQL
<johnnyb> Does anyone know which doc has the GNUe database schema docs?
<johnnyb> Later, yalls
<johnnyb> \q
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<dneighbo> brb
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<nickr> hrm
<dneighbo> hum
<nickr> is there docs somewhere on the python db interface?
<jcater> our python db interface
<jcater> or the db-sig interface?
<nickr>  the python db API
<nickr> I found it though
<jcater> ok
<nickr> sqlite is slick
<nickr> I wish there was a thing like pywin for unixlikes
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<stbain> how about pywin->wine
<stbain> err... wait
<stbain> you talking about py2exe?
<nickr> no, the IDE thing
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<chillywilly> ello
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<chillywilly> peter
<psu> hi cw
<nickr> neep
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<Mr_You> hi
<psu> hi Mr_You
<Mr_You> seems someone stole my rent check from my roommate
<psu> gah
<psu> can US cheques be stopped?
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<Mr_You> its already been cashed
<Mr_You> the bank/place that cashed it is in the wrong just as well I'm sure.
<psu> probably one of these "we'll cash any cheque" pawnbroker-style places
<psu> these seem to be infesting England as well now
<Mr_You> maybe, but thats not legal.. specially when I recall writing "rent" on there
<Mr_You> cause they'll be the ones giving my money back
<psu> darn tootin'
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<Mr_You> heh
<dneighbo> easy there will rogers
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<dneighbo> jcater: you around?
<dneighbo> and if you are, would you be willing to admit it
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<jcater> but I refuse to admit it
<dneighbo> im having issues
<dneighbo> with gnue (and without)
<dneighbo> with postgres autoinsert id deal
<dneighbo> which is used for most of my demos
<dneighbo> you have a few moments to help?
<nickr> oy
<nickr> welcome to python extention land
<jcater> autoinsert ids are the spawn of satan
<jcater> why do you use them so much?
<dneighbo> um i dont see much of another way w/o even more issues at this point
<dneighbo> i need incremented key
<dneighbo> NORMALLY i do this via a table
<dneighbo> not db internal 'autokey' thing
<dneighbo> but thats even more evil in gnue currently and why i switched to the other way (as jamest provided a hack for it)
<dneighbo> um is gnue cvs trashed?
<dneighbo> i cant get it to work at all right now it just hangs
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<jcater> hangs where?
<dneighbo> sigh its a postgres issue on my side  (the hanging thing)
<dneighbo> Stopping and restarting the postmaster
<dneighbo> /usr/lib/postgresql/dumpall/7.2/postmaster -D /var/lib/postgres/data  -p 5431 -o -d0
<dneighbo> PGSTAT: bind(2): Cannot assign requested address
<dneighbo> Failed to start the postmaster
<dneighbo> Sorry; the automatic database upgrade failed.
<dneighbo> grr i got this before and i forget the ill
<dneighbo> doh thats right auto lo wasnt set
<jcater>     <block datasource="dtsrentalinsurancetypes" name="blkrentalinsurancetypes">
<jcater>       <entry field="id" name="fldid" width="10" x="4" y="5">
<jcater>         <trigger type="PRE-INSERT" name="fldid_PreInsert">
<jcater> # Set default value
<jcater> if self.isEmpty():
<jcater>   self.autofillBySequence('rental_id_seq')
<jcater> </trigger>
<dneighbo> ok back to working
<jcater> unfortunately, I can't be here right now
<jcater> bbiaf
<dneighbo> wait why do you use them ;)
<jcater> that was a quickie I whipped up using designer
<jcater> to see the code it generated
<dneighbo> how do you normally handle this then
<jcater> like I just posted
<dneighbo> is there a </entry>
<dneighbo> you didnt post?
<dneighbo> if so thats my problem
Action: jcater thought you were originally talking about oops
<jcater> oops
<jcater> ya
<dneighbo> this code use to not belong inside an entry but rather just inside a <datasource>
<jcater> you mean a <block>
<jcater> it works there too
<jcater> only instead of "self." you have "field."
<dneighbo> hmm i have in a block and its not worksing
<dneighbo>         <trigger name="getContactSequence" type="preInsert">
<dneighbo> blckPerson.autofillBySequence('ntryPK','seq_dcl_contact')
<dneighbo> </trigger>
<dneighbo> was what i had in a block
<dneighbo> is type="PRE-INSERT" valid?
<dneighbo> i ahve preInsert
<dneighbo> and i think i looked at that recently as i used to have PRE-INSERT
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<chillywilly> that pulls a record in for you?
<dneighbo> ok modified testing
<dneighbo> yummy
<dneighbo> it works
<dneighbo> zing
<dneighbo> our contact sample is limping again ;)
<nickr> bling!
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<Yurik> re
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<dneighbo> jcater when you get back that didnt work
<dneighbo> it just gave illusion of working
<dneighbo> grrr this thing is REALLY biting me 
<dneighbo> must run
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<chillywilly> la la la la laaaaaa!
<chillywilly> what it be homies?
<chillywilly> booooooooriiiiiiing
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