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<chillywilly> the license the libraries (including J2EE, Swing, etc.) are under are non-free basically
<dneighbo> dtm where the hell are you?
<dneighbo> we need to talk :)
<dneighbo> you coming to FSF party tonight?
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<dtm> dneighbo: @!#%)*   i'm working dewd  :/
<dtm> so i dont think i can
<dneighbo> bumber
<dneighbo> will you be by tomorrow?
<dneighbo> or maybe stop by ostel tonight?
<dtm> yeah i think so
<dtm> well.
<jamest> any appserver people about?
<dtm> if you gusy could help me rapidly understand how to deploy java serverside stuff then i could make it a business meeting :)
<dneighbo> um open coffee cup pour coffee on server
<jamest> mv java_serverside_crap /dev/null
<dneighbo> ala serverside java
<dtm> hee hee
<dtm> jamest: shaddap plz!  thx!  ^_^
<jamest> dude
<jamest> i had to setup servlet support last week
<dtm> hee hee
<dtm> :\
<jamest> i installed tomcat, tested the demos, setup a user account and gave it mgr status
<dtm> jamest: did you use the prepackaged tomcat distro from sun.com
<dtm> or did you install it straight from jakarta.apache.org/tomcat
<jamest> handed set account info to user needing it and said call if you have trouble
<dneighbo> um debian packages
<jamest> so it's deployed
<jamest> :)
<jamest> debian packages
<dtm> dneighbo: what's the location of the FSF party
<jamest> it's cake to setup
<jcater> FSF party?
<jcater> why wasn't I invited?
<dtm> dneighbo: are we talking RMS and bkuhn or just FSF followers?
<dneighbo> Club NV
<dneighbo> 525 Howard Street
<dtm> dneighbo: what city is that in
<dneighbo> 3 blocks from moscone
<dtm> oh
<dneighbo> san francisco
<jamest> and no where there to keep derek in line
<dtm> a;lkdsjf hmmmm.
<jamest> sigh
<dtm> jamest: yeah.  only rsb.  *gasp*  !!!
<dneighbo> brad and lawerence lessig will be there
<dtm> dneighbo: does rsb have you disguised as ninja yet?
<dneighbo> its been well publicized so it will be PACKED
<dtm> d0h!!  this channel is publicly logged!
<jamest> tomorrow /. headline GNUe: It does that!
<dneighbo> um no ninja yet
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<dtm> i have to learn how to deploy java server side stuff pronto
<dtm> so i can get paid and move on to OST homework
<jamest> on debian?
<dtm> no!
<jamest> apt-get install tomcat4
<jamest> sigh
<chillywilly> course not
<jcater> tomorrow's /. headline: GNUe: It even does the dishes!
<chillywilly> one can only hope it is that easy ;)
<dneighbo> http://server.ccl.net/cca/software/UNIX/apache/debian-tomcat/
<jamest> as then you just http://servletserver:8180/
<jamest> and it pops up the docs
<jamest> then
<jamest> as then you just http://servletserver:8180/manage/bin/someServerCommand
<dneighbo> hmm if you arent running debian you have bigger problems than java ;)
<jamest> to install the servlets
<dneighbo> i got contact for gentoo packages as well today
<dtm> dneighbo: no, i'm afraid i dont!
<jamest> so hows the show this year?
<dtm> dneighbo: since the distro involved is quite irrelevant
<jamest> more/less people
<dtm> that being the entire point.
<jamest> more/less interest
<dneighbo> WAY more people
<dneighbo> similar percent interest
<jamest> you get demo's up?
<dneighbo> we have a book deal i think if we want it
<dneighbo> no demos are broken
<jamest> sigh
<dneighbo> so i show VERY cripled functionality :(
<dneighbo> but the marketing slicks are MUCH improved
<jamest> you can't even demo designer?
<dneighbo> so that helps compensate
<dtm> dneighbo: oh you wanted to make a book?  i can hook you up.
<dneighbo> i can demo designer
<dneighbo> the 0.3.0 wizard works
<jamest> you running last release?
<jamest> what's broken in last release?
<dneighbo> but the cvs demo doesnt work
<dneighbo> for designer
<jamest> oh no
<dneighbo> m/d is dorked bad in both
<jamest> designer is borked
<jamest> forms will be soon
<dneighbo> for forms
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<jamest> m/d works perfectly at work
<jamest> cvs copy
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<jcater> you scared him away
<jcater> all this talk of working cvs, etc
<chillywilly> ;P
<jamest> one issue is with triggers, which I'm looking at now
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<jamest> jcater should not have all the fun
<jcater> you can't break cvs!\
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<jcater> it's already broken
<jcater> :)
<jamest> oooo
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<Mr_You> hmm..
<Mr_You> going out of town, but I think I'll install whats needed on my laptop and play with GNUe..
<Mr_You> I had phpforms working so quickly yesterday just using apt-get
<jamest> ?
<Mr_You> wonder if it will fix me dinner
<Mr_You> "working"
<jamest> we're apt-get'able now?
<Mr_You> no I gnue code was cvs
<Mr_You> s/ I//
<Mr_You> well ttyl
<dtm> Mr_You: hi.  bye!
<Mr_You> bye ;-)
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<jamest> does the name lbergman ring any bells?
<ajmitch> no
<jamest> hmmm
<jamest> they submitted our project to the linux fund
<ajmitch> yes, i heard that
<jamest> huh?
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<ajmitch> derek said about that a day or two ago in here
<jamest> damn
<jamest> ok
<ajmitch> where is ash at the moment?
<jamest> hooked up in AZ as of today
<ajmitch> ah ok
<jamest> however we're having network issues and I can't get into it :(
<ajmitch> so it's not still tripping it's way across the US
<jamest> nope
<ajmitch> network issues on the box itself?
<jamest> dunno
<jamest> the IP I was given to use was already in use
<jamest> so that other machine was shut down
<jamest> now ash isn't responding
<ajmitch> hmm
<ajmitch> that's a worry
<jamest> i don't know why and have not been able to contact jade to figure out wazzup
<jamest> i'm sure it'll be running tomorrow
<jamest> l8r
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<ajmitch> hi psu
<psu> hi aj
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<Isomer> can gnue use soap yet?
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<stbain> greetz
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<stbain> hehe
<stbain> makes me feel important
<chillywilly> :P
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<nickr> neep
<chillywilly> beep
<stbain> steep?
<jcater> bleep
<chillywilly> gcc 3.2 is released
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<stbain> is this a good or bad thing?
<stbain> heh
<chillywilly> good, imho
<Jayce^> it's bad for my processors... they're going to be screaming as I do a complete rebuild :D
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<chillywilly> wb jamest
<jamest> thanks
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<chillywilly> blah
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<aprono> hi, all
<aprono> anybody know, where are the irc logs?
<jcater> http://irc-logs.gnue.org/log/old/ are the backups, iirc
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<chillywilly> anyne ever seen this -> http://www.americafirstpart.org?
<chillywilly> er
<chillywilly> http://www.americafirstparty.org
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<aprono> jcater: thanks
<aprono> jcater: i have a http://www.movatis.com/crusader/  that might interest you (you were into appserver, right?)
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<jamest_> ROCK!
<jamest_> ash is on the net
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