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<lilo`> hi ajmitch
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<siesel> morning
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<Juas> hello
<lupo> hi
<Juas> im new user with gnucleus. have a spanish channel??
<lupo> i don't know
<Juas> oj, ok, dont worry
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<psu> hi all
<psu> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20020824_43.html
<psu> is up
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<chillywilly> hehe, "If GNUE doesn't help get us away from paper invoices, printing and mailing checks, etc. I'm gonna scream," 
<karlis> hello
<karlis> while playing with hand-written form definition file
<karlis> i came across problem with object initialization order
<karlis> namely processing of <database> tag
<karlis> creating GFDatabase makes it add info to connections "list"
<karlis> so if <database> is after <datasource> and connections.conf does not have db info, it will fail
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<karlis> dont you think something should be changed in init of objects, for example - DataSource init could be moved 1 init phase up, so Database gets chance to initialize before Datasource?
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<ajmitch> hey neilt
<neilt> hello
<neilt> whats happening down under
<ajmitch> not much, it's 5am here ;)
<neilt> yeck
<neilt> errrrr yuck
<neilt> its winter also?
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> more like spring tho
<ajmitch> been having warm weather lately :)
<neilt> sorry, i cant find anything positive about 5am in the winter :)
<ajmitch> hehe :)
<ajmitch> 5am on a sunday morning
<neilt> i did not think it could be worse
<neilt> but it is
<ajmitch> haven't seen you round much lately
<neilt> i guess computers are a good thing right about now
<ajmitch> work been holding you down?
<ajmitch> yeah
<neilt> yep
<neilt> new job
<ajmitch> ah
<neilt> lots of problems
<ajmitch> doing what?
<neilt> CIO/VP Supply Chain at http://www.teach12.com
<ajmitch> oooh
<ajmitch> planning to try & sneak GNUe in?
<neilt> sometime
<neilt> our CEO is up to it
<neilt> but its has to be a bit more mature
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> don't want to rush a poor product into place
<ajmitch> give it time to mature, like wine & cheese :)
<neilt> hehe
<neilt> more like, risk averse
<ajmitch> right
<chillywilly> hiya neilt
<neilt> hey cw
<ajmitch> which means that you'd want to be able to show other successful deployments
<ajmitch> & show that there's good support for it
<ajmitch> having the source is fine, but you need to have people who know it :)
<neilt> yes and that it has the broad capability to solve more than a few small problems
<ajmitch> right
<neilt> and it does not have weekly updates
<neilt> althought we use MS, so i dont why that is a requirement
<neilt> :)
<chillywilly> heh
<ajmitch> in other words you want a stable platform with diverse capabilities :)
<neilt> there you go
<neilt> we do e commerece so it has to be 24x7
<ajmitch> right
<neilt> no rebooting because we need to update
<ajmitch> even having the appserver go down on you would be bad
<neilt> yes
<neilt> gotta go
<neilt> later all
<ajmitch> bye
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<btami> hi
<ajmitch> hi btami
<btami> hi ajmitch
<btami> https://www.gnuenterprise.org/dclgw doesn't works for me
<btami> do you know something about it?
<chillywilly> it might be down
<chillywilly> I dunno
<btami> :(
<chillywilly> our server moved (in the physical sense)
<chillywilly> stuff might still need t be set back up
<ajmitch> yep
<btami> i know, ash.gnuenterprise works for me
<btami> but a little yellow for me :)
<psu> DCL last I heard was not up yet
<psu> I managed to get in, but there were no tickets there, just the projects
<psu> I think it was a problem related to trying to restore the back-up & upgrade to the new version #
<psu> (with Derek's security patches) at the same time
<ajmitch> ah ok
<btami> so don't  send patches to xxx-support@gnuenterprise.org yet?
<psu> dunno - if dcl isn't up, these should just be quequed until it's ready
<btami> ok
<psu> I would probably send to both xxx-support@gnuenterprise.org and info@gnue.org at the moment
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<psu> hi reinhard
<btami> have someone realized ZTE-MU 1:0 in chamions league ?
<btami> (ZTE is the hungarian champ)
<btami> s/chamions/champions
<btami> maybe just derek likes football here :(
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<btami> ?
<psu> Sunderland just lost their first home game of the season 1-0 
<psu> and missed a penatly
<btami> bad to hear :(
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<reinhard> hi all
<psu_> hi reinhard
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<Mr_You> hi
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<psu> hi neilt, ajmitch
<ajmitch> hi
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<ajmitch> hey 1337 f1x3:)
<neilt> hello
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<psu> fixe is now less of a rad1cal d()()d
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<ajmitch> heh
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<psu> ok, I'm missing something here
<psu> does python really not have a single-line os.copy ( "foo", "bar")
<psu> or equiv?
<neilt> shutil.copyfile(src, dst)
<neilt> shutil.copy(src, dst) includes permissions
<psu> thanks
<psu> I was looking in os & getting frustrated ;-)
<neilt> :)
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<reinhard> hello neilt
<reinhard> long long time
<chillywilly> reinhard: shouldn't you be sleeping ;)?
<reinhard> chillywilly: yes, my wife keeps telling me, too ;-)
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> perhaps you should listen before you have to sleep on the couch ;)
<reinhard> night all
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<chillywilly> hehe
<Mr_You> <@wondrmnky> http://thcnet.net/error/index.php
<Mr_You> <@wondrmnky> zork in php
<Mr_You> <@wondrmnky> as a 404 error page, no less
<chillywilly> ?
<chillywilly> a MUD?
<Mr_You> sigh, you too young for Zork?
<chillywilly> never played it, I am 24 years old
<chillywilly> looks like a MUD to me ;)
<Mr_You> Zork is an early text based game.
<chillywilly> well am I too young?
<Mr_You> I guess its MUD like
<chillywilly> old man
<chillywilly> ;P
<Mr_You> I don't play MUDs
<Mr_You> guess you didn't play many games in the 80s ;-)
<Mr_You> on IBM PC
<chillywilly> I didn't even have a computer int he 80s
<chillywilly> my parents were too poor
<Mr_You> grandfather bought me a PCjr which I outgrew in about a wee
<Mr_You> week
<Mr_You> I guess I played Zork on my XT 
<Mr_You> which I only got cause I talked my dad into some how
<Mr_You> and I started getting into BBSs.. drove my mom crazy with a part-time BBS heh
<Mr_You> got 3.0 GPA in school and got my own phone line..
<Mr_You> anyways
Action: chillywilly has a deadlock in his code :)
<chillywilly> er, :(
<chillywilly> frelling threads
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> it's all their fault
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<Mr_You> you know, the webmin postgresql module seems better than phpPgAdmin, IMO.. for just general use
<Mr_You> it doesn't have reports implemented
<Mr_You> kinda annoying, atleast in this version and seems current version, it doesn't have a screen for simple editing, you gotta write SQL to update records
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