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LuftHans (~lufthans@wsip68-14-212-29.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi LuftHans moin hmm, I appear to have been chillywillied wieso? er, uh, that would be 'why?' in english... as the gnue-dev mailing list had me still subscribed hrmm but not receiving messages vacation-mode? looking at it, for at least the last 2 months LuftHans: yep did you enjoy it? at least send postcards? :) I think I my SMTP receive daemon must have bounced 1 or 2 msg, which I think mailman treats as a postcard ;-) So if anyone wonders why I've been ignoring all the fascinating discussion yeah, mailman seems to be too touchy sometimes, but ignores blatent probs other times :(. on gnue-dev, now you know why moin moin mon amis Action: derek is back (gone 14:41:50) tach reinhard (~rm@M701P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. guter tag or something like that JohannesV (~jve@M690P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. babelfish isnt appropriately translating wasssssssssssup maybe moin, moin maybe griassle but I really don't know anything as bad as 'wasssssssssssup' good mooooooorning #gnuenterprise derek - now I'm back on the gne-dev mailing list(!) I can apply yr patches tonight i wont have time to make them tonight i was a dummy and am in over my head on a big contract np and this week real life is sucking ALL my time i had saw a spelling error or two and think the front paragraph is slightly inaccurate in a nutshell GNUe is three things (though you modified one, so maybe its four) ;) I'll do another spellcheck i think desperate was spelled desparate in fact it was funny as on the same page it was spelled desperate and desparate but back to the 3/4 things 1. It is a Meta Project of the GNU Project designed to collect Enterprise software for the GNU system in a single location much like GNOME project collects Desktop software for the GNU project. 2. It is an application framework 3. It is applications built with the application framework and you brought up 4. A community that ties it all together. :) ok but i dont konw best how to represent that in the opening paragraph or whether its fine as it sits I think your 1. almost becomes a 0. up front 4. is a good point to have as it encompasses all the others also 1 is convoluted and shouldn't Meta Project be meta-project? The reason for my 1/2/3 is that also matches the tabs across side & on side ah that works Dependencies - a collection of some hard-to-find depedancies needed for various parts of GNUe on http://ash.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/downloads.php oops is the misspell its dependencies not desperate, knew it was something like that though :) i would have rather sent a patch, but hey we like to over work you and pick on you np get your nose out of 'when saturday comes' every once in a while btw: i think there was an important match in sunderland today who won? Action: psu only reads it for the World Cup Specials actually i guess it might have been yesterday in your time. :) we did - 1-0. Our first win at Leeds in the league since 1934 makes the White Sox look like a short-run Actually, patches for the website may not work anyway how about: GNUe is a meta-project designed to ecompass the Enterprise software in the GNU P roject in a single location much as the GNOME project collects the Desktop softw are in the GNU Project. as most people only have access to the parsed php, not the source In any case decide if it's the "GNU Project" or the "GNU project". LuftHans: works for me. maybe "collects the GNU Project's Desktop software." i capitalize stuff in ungrammatically correct ways all the time figure im lucky if people read it much less edit it and therefore i will go with what i like not what is correct :) that's OK as long as you consistently do it wrong :) capitalize all the nouns and Reinhard and I are with you ;-) the one that is still hard for me is for what ever reason many folks think of GNUe as gnuE gnuE is more logical, but GNUe looks better which in many ways makes sense because 'enterprise' is the focus if it's GNUe, it should be GNU enterprise rather than GNU Enterprise but for me GNU was an acronym so should be capitalized but the E shoudl be as well i just dont like the looks of GNUE as much :) LuftHans: good thing you don't work for PriceWaterhouseCoopers also then Reinhard and I should be allowed to call it GNU: ;-) anyway, gotta run psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("work time"). dlatt (~dlatt@apc92.ip.kp.dlr.de) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Chipaca (~john@modem80-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. umm brb Chipaca (~john@modem80-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: Client Quit Chipaca (~john@modem80-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. much better hi all! is there any way to estimate when the papo patches will make it into gnue? reinhard (~rm@M701P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) chicken is there anything _wrong_ with the papo patches? we feel we're being ignored; cf. the gtk2 stuff went in in next to no time and it sucks Chipaca: I know that several of the core people are mega-busy at the moment which is probably the main cause (both real-life and GNUe) As far as I can see, the GtK patch went in quickly because it's Arturas' area, and he was able to look at it quickly & patch it in as it only affected one UI driver for one tool (Forms) From what I can gather, the papo stuff is far more wide-ranging :( and hence needs a jcater/jamest to look at it it doesn't stop sucking; it hurts a little less Execuitve summary: real life sucks, sometimes not just the suckee aprono (~aprono@modem80-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. how hard would cvs access be? Action: psu looks forward to the day we can all get jobs as paid GNUe developers Chipaca: I know from previous discussions that most people don't get CVS access from 1st patch I think this is a legacy from early days when people would get CVS access and disappear BUT a) papo is different, becuase you are doing this professionally b) As per previous discussions, I know Derek would rather you were putting patches in the main CVS rather than your own anyway reinhard (~rm@M701P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@M701P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Client Quit psu: it is because of our diverging cvs that we get more and more anxious psu: obviously some fixes already in gnue are important to us absolutely psu: and merging them is continually harder psu: in fact we're more than two weeks behind your cvs :( Given that papo is on savannah anyway, y'all have logins yes I think we are reaching the point where we need to decide how to handle CVS i.e. do we reflect the fact that we have now moved beyond having jcater, jamest, derek and reinhard perlhead (~fheinz@modem80-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. coding on their own and start doling out CVS access more widely or do we switch to the other extreme and have Linus-like "colonels" for each part of the product who review all patches in their area and are the only ones w/CVS access but with the implication that they have to have the time to commit (no pun intended) to this all this is IMHO, of course I'm with you; who do we have to hang? Well, discussing things in IRC is a good start, since this is basically an IRC-based project For the record (or the log): I meant feeling ignored sucks, not the gtk2 stuff (that I haven't even seen) Chipaca: understood. I don't want arturas hunting me down with a shark prod trout slappings are more the usual, here ;-) derek used to have an X-chat script that troutslapped the whole channel but he doesn't usually bring it out these days heh too much mirc Action: psu has just looked at the papo cvs on savannah I didn't realise when you (ok, StyXman) talked about seperate gnue cvs it was actually on there - i assumed it was just a private cvs in which case, I think a merge back becomes even more urgent at first it was, but then we moved our cvs to savannah so gnue went with it of course, I have no idea what all those Spanish commit messages say Action: psu nips over to babelfish to check the spanish for "psu is the south-facing end of a north-facing horse" ;-) uhm :) psu: we added atomicModify to gnue yesterday yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem80-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. actually, aprono did. i don't have a clue what patches are outstanding, what's been submitted, who has cvs and who doesn't and I'm supposidly a coordinator :( so it's nothing personal jamest: that doesn't sound too god s/od/ood/ gnue_sux (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater are you here? hmmmmm chipaca psu is correct must be derek the gtk2 stuff is only getting because arturas is doing it and he shouldnt be committing it (sigh) but thtats another storry please assemble all your patches and send to derek@gnue.org ack part of the problem is our dcl server and my mail has gone through about 9 transistions in a few days ouch and i ahve only been at my home about 6 days out last month jcater is swamped as is jamest gnue_sux: is there a py2asm? ]:) i think we really need to cut a release like ASAP 0.5? and then i will just blindy i think apply patches if jcater/jamest cant review them first as we have a ton of patches (not just papo's) hanging out waiting for application in future PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont do separate tree IMHO, a patch from papo is almost as safe as from jamest/jcater if necessary we will do cvs branches or such on our cvs if necessary in that they are working w/ the product every day & are as anti-breaking stuff as anyone siesel (jan@dial-213-168-88-245.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. but its a lot easier to merge from like tree :) hi all :) psu: generally its not a breakage thing and they hang out here and talk to us, so know why we do some things the way we do cvs HEAD is allowed to be broken even if they don't agree ;-) and its not so much a 'you have to be studly coder' thing its a direction of product thing is there a way to grant write access to only one branch of cvs? you absolutely correct that i think they understand our direction enough to commit code ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection we have been reluctant to give out cvs as of late as we want to reorganize it by module so that we can give out access by tool i.e. you might have write access to gnue reports but not gnue forms and such chipaca in short we are NOT ignoring your patches and we want to get them applied its just been crappy timing gnue_sux: thanks for the ack sometimes we despair jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) got netsplit. 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Who is responsible for this site, or what are the future plans for that site? that site will be replaced by http://ash.gnuenterprise.org ANY DAY NOW we have switched to having same site for all points of presence and made it highly mirrorable great. btw. what about new Documentation like the GComm documentation etc., when can /should it be added to the new website's doc area? jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) got netsplit. jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) returned to #gnuenterprise. siesel: yes - getting the docs reviewed is a high post-launch priority for the moment, I have just removed anything obviously outdated grep geas *, for a start ;-) nite all psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. night psu ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" gnue_sux, jcater: may i ask you about standard gnue reports output tags i reread gnue-dev, and the last message was in march about this was any decision ? i want to write some enhaced report wizards, with formatting tags but there is no direction to start jcater is the guy to talk to, i think he should be here sometime today only jcater wants to use reports ? and me:) no but he is one that has clearest definition as to his thoughts chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. i have input on it right now just no real time Hi Daniel ok, i'm waiting... i suspect outside of you me and him no noe probably knows what you are asking about :) s/noe/one :) you are an interbase/firebird user right? hi siesel right do you konw how to backup interbase while its running w/o getting people out of the system and without using their GUI tool? gnue_sux: you suck too ;) I have pictures also do you know if any facility exists in interbase for real time replication (or basically some sort of cluster/reduncancy) gback for backup? about replication: don't know i have customer that has interbase for a backend gnue_sux: rtfm ;P :) and wants to basically mirror the server so if something happens they dont lose any work chilly i would if i could :) i dont own interbase or its manuals :) and the client that does is about 3000+ miles away from me make them install postgres ;) um i think that woudl be going backwards blah er firebird mysql does replication apparently ;) I know someone who ses it exclusively t run big db's and hot swaps them with replication he's in my LUG and he wn his own business ownz There is a Firebird Replication Engine Project at http://fibre.sourceforge.net/ I thought interbase was still prop. shows what I know ;) but its seems to be in its Planning stage :( and a beta documentation on http://firebird.sourceforge.net the original interbase docs (from borland) are not free :) so they release the code but hide the docs? Free Software needs Feee documentation too ;) IIRC yes, without the docs blah Action: chillywilly checks gnue cvs commits we learned in GNUe, the code IS the docs :) HAH! gnue_sux: i was wrong, gbak is the name of the command line tool ok cool (will that run on NT) ? of course ata later date i might have more questions for you :) mailnly do you know status of firebird / interbase compatiability? for what? as ti would be cool to move his interbase backend to linux w/ firebird but no worry wont happen for quite some time firebird is totally compatible per def gnue_sux: you have a gig going? gnue_sux: btw. have you ever sended me assignment paper? i never got night siesel (jan@dial-213-168-88-245.netcologne.de) left irc: "Real programmers code it into the client" perlhead (~fheinz@modem80-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. i'm too sleepy, so bye btami (~btami@195.228.11.196) left irc: jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" Some time ago, I was having trouble with the UI encoding. Accented characters showed on the screen like other stuff. I solved it by changing wx's UIdriver.py to specify the font encoding. But someone (dneighbour?) told me recent versions incuded the UI's encoding as a parameter in etc/gnue.conf Somehow I can't find that parameter, though... 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