jcater (~jcater@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Action: dneighbo is back (gone 22:51:20) Action: dneighbo is away: sleep Nick change: dneighbo -> dnSleep psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi psu hi a small (but perfectly formed) new KC is at http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20020830_44.html cool Smallest issue since April Derek said "um i have a feeling the tools are going to get" a lot more use and development "in the next two months :)" ROFL decided to skip the actual text used? ;) the goats can rest safe in their beds tonight... heh heh I saw that reinhard (~rm@M690P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning hi btami hi psu any news about tickets in dclgw? why not simply take the working backup I know there were some tech problems, because of conflicts between restoring backup and moving to new (dneighbo-security-patch) version I am guessing that no-one has had time to resolve this yet Action: psu misses his DCL, too :) :( I'm having to use TODO.txt files or even (yuk) paper to list things paper? another TODO is a daily CVS snapshot isn't that a classic optical WORM device? yep, quite a good one actually Random access, refresh cycle of up to 100 years sounds good :) & no need for non-free reader software ;-) lol i like read, but dont like handwrite btamu: apt-get typewriter :) you have to add "store around the corner" to your sources.list before that IIRC i had a Robotron before :) but note that typewriter is depreciated by its maintainers - they recommend upgrade to basicwp 1.0 Robotron comes from DDR if someone can remember psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("work time"). Action: ra3vat remembers hello btami hello all hi ra3vat :) :) ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-240-48.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. dtm ([3YtE0tQl8@ip55.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003yv&topic_id=OpenACS&topic= <-- i submit to the Kernel Cousins archives, a good set of discussions and definitions on the meaning of "enterprise class". if gnue.org doesn't have a definition of it, it should get one from here or something. siesel (jan@xunzi.sinologie.uni-bonn.de) joined #gnuenterprise. http://eltoday.com/ <-- also here's an interesting site Enterprise Linux Today siesel (jan@xunzi.sinologie.uni-bonn.de) left irc: "Eject! Eject! Eject!" SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-131.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xunzi.sinologie.uni-bonn.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all :) ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xunzi.sinologie.uni-bonn.de) left #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xunzi.sinologie.uni-bonn.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi everyone. hi SachaS are the gnue dependencies fine with python2.2? hi siesel siesel i am about to install designer on a gnu/debian testing machine Action: siesel is using gnue on debian testing at the moment :) siesel! excellent! there is a problem with the wxpython package, which only exist for python 2.1 at the moment do you use the debian packages (of python, orbit etc) or from source? debian packages. oh did you solve the problem with wxpython package? yes. I use python2.1 and install wxpython per dpkg -i --force-depends I tried to build wxpython from source, but it didn't worked... :( so you suggest to not install python2.2. do you have a list of debian packages I need ? ok. python2.1-xml python2.1-egenix-* python2.1-postgresql ... I try again: python2.1-egenix-mxdatetime python2.1-egenix-mxtools python2.1-xml python2.1-mysqldb python2.1-pgsql python2.1-psycopg should be sufficient If you want to use appserver you have to install python2.1-xmlrpc too. ok. if i use mysql i only need python2.1-mysqldb, no python2.1-g* sorry ok. if i use mysql i only need python2.1-mysqldb, no python2.1-p* yep. thanks. doing a apt-get now btw. do you remeber how to do a query in a trigger? sorry no Hmmm, found it: datasource.simpleQuery({attr:val}) siesel: which debian package is for wxpython ? jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. libwxgtk2.2-python ? SachaS: sorry, I forgot the most important one: libwxgtk2.2-python hi jamest, can you help me with a trigger problem? maybe, i haven't been in the code in months I have a list of entries and I want to press a button fill the list with records the records should be selected with a condition like "fieldname==NULL" now I've used the datasource.simpleQuery({"fieldname":None}) command but it just creates a query like SELECT * FROM DTSRC WHERE fieldname='None'; so what to do? Is simpleQuery the right command, and if it is how should I call it, or how should I modify it? the button performs a query on the form w/ specific values in the query mask? is that what you are saying? yes. But the button should build the query mask. not the user hmmmm are you going to have multiple buttons each w/ different query....if not queryDefault attrib on entry fields may get you want you want if that isn't the case we'll need to add trigger functions for putting the form in query mode and executing the query, probably to the form object i don't think it'll be hard to do, but i'm pretty out of touch w/ the code i'm going to be bug hunting today in there so I can take a look can I send you the form I'm actualy developing? sure hi all jamest: can you tell how costly is win4lin terminal server? it was 499 for a 5 user license (plus the cost of the 5 windows licenses) that was a sale price costly enough, how it helps then to save money on licenses, or what another advantages? hi siesel siesel: also needed python2.1-dev this issue of updating a query (i.e. a dropdown list) was previosly discussed with derek and others siesel: common installed without problems. try to search in kernel cousin is a feature that also the guys of papo are waiting for siesel (jan@xunzi.sinologie.uni-bonn.de) left irc: "has to run :)" it allows me to migrate users to just about any platform one of my win4lin users is running on a 486 w/ 16MB of ram and no hard drive it is vastly more stable for some reason and it allows my windows only users to migrate to *nix solutions yet still keep the win software they need today to get work done another reason I did it was security i looked at upgrading to winXP to get users to stop installing crap on their PC that required major hardware upgrades and a fair cost for the XP liceneses (you have to pay extra for the privilage of upgrading past XP when something new comes out) with my current setup my receptionists log in via a diskless terminal and type win i wrote a script that figures out which group they belong to then uses rsync to create a fresh windows install just for them the next time they log in it gives them a fresh install, they can no longer install whatever crap they wanted on the system Action: ra3vat keeps listening :) I'd tried to use security features in NT once to prevent those kind of things from happening but that was a nitemare anyone: installed common, forms, desinger (its a breeze) anyone: gnue-designer runs! Congratulations. Damn you are good! you installed everything, hardened the machine (a major task), put it in place over time new software installs and security patches would undo the hardening (it seems) once I logged in and found a web server and the gimp installed on a system we'd done nothing to except for windows update those systems now run KDE and I'd be impressed if the grads can install crap on them now :) anyway, on win4lin, short term cost savings wasn't the issue my office needs windows software today to work the two full time windows users now w/ win4lin setups think KDE rocks and both are slowly finding replacements for their windows software in KDE last week one switched from Corel Calendar to Korginizer the newest one said "So, anything I can do in unix I'll quit doing in windows" I'm still working thru the new setup pains but all in all I'm having less support issues now jamest: oh, two users, it deserves to spend any money i mis stated that Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. i have 9 pcs in the main office btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: "Client Exiting" Hello start of the year 9 of them were windows er 8 of them very interesting, thanks for explaining 4 of them are dedicated to a single user the rest have multiple users 2 of those 4 are now linux boxes those were the 2 full time windows users the other 2 would switch but we use peoplesoft and the setup requires IPX which win4lin won't do anyway, hideously off topic but it's great software oooooo one last major advantage jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. every time you have to reboot windows you're not having to go thru the power up self test of the PC :) so windows crashes which require reboot, or installing updates which require something like 15 reboots per MS guidelines are much less painful tried designer tonight. started designer. tried text and input. good reason to pay for good night Nick change: SachaS -> Sacha_away Sacha_away (~Sacha@dialup-196-131.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-240-48.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" dtm: fwiw i have sent articles to eltoday before and i think some were even published all our press releases go there as well Nick change: dnSleep -> derek Action: derek is back (gone 09:34:19) siesel (jan@dial-213-168-72-224.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. 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ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ello siesel (jan@dial-213-168-72-224.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ToyMan what's the dilly yo? hey chilly was up your way a few weeks back ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" oh really? and you didn't eben bother too look me up ? ;) er, even ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it." dj_mad_goat (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone know how to get an address of a raid controller? Action: dj_mad_goat is fighting a compaq proliant 1500 unfortunately Debian is the odd duck out for support of this thing (SMART2) controller their kernel doesnt natively support it, but they have some rescue disks that do the problem is in order to boot them you need to give the address of the controller and i cant find any where the hell you can find that dj_mad_goat: http://www.wicca.com/celtic/divination/cball.htm is this a [E]ISA card? if so, you'll probably need the utility disk for the controller if not, then I'm not sure why you'd need to pass an address hmm you know what model of raid controller? Action: jcater is thinking back a lot of them had a "Press Ctrl+ for setup" prompt before doing the bus-scan those screens would usually tell you aside from that, you're gonna have to get more specific wrt what raid controller you have for edification of others its a direct map = EISA slot = location i.e. slot1 = 0x1000 slot2 = 0x2000 and so on only problem is cracked case to see what slot we were on and lo and behold our card is PCI not EISA gack and i cant find instructions for how to do PCI instead of EISA we have all tools for the controller and configured according to specs (however that was when we thought it was EISA) http://www.joelschneider.net/compaq_proliant_1500_debian_potato.html is doc we were going from if we try to do it without passing anything it fails to find it let me get exact model number and such do you have woody isos? yes you may need to do what I had to do with my ALR install woody, not debian but at the boot: prompt don't press or type install but type bf24 instead and it will ask for a preload floppy http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/ grab the image there and put on a floppy if this combination works, then it'll ease installation (that's a 2.4.18 kernel, btw, so it probably has better support for Compaq SMART/2 than the 2.2 kernels) actually, if you look at that link I just gave it lists all the SCSI chipsets it supports hmmm i dont think it supports smart2 will give it a whirl maybe i will just send the tech to this channel :) it might support smart2 there's only so many scsi chipsets out there jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection grrr i need to find chipset for smart2 to see if jcaters back door works hey, now no talking about my backdoor in public this is so frustrating only place i see debian supporting it via google is 'compact' disk but there it just says SMART2 support and doesnt tell what friggin module is there some kernel spot where i coudl find what dumbdriver.o it uses :) all references via google point to zdnet sym3cxx which is having SERIOUS mysql issues http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=listgate20020802132006%2454a1%40attila.bofh.it&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcompaq%2Bproliant%2B1500%2Bdebian%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dlistgate20020802132006%252454a1%2540attila.bofh.it%26rnum%3D1 chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. no sym3xxx available i tried sym5xxx which was availiable and it failed to load siesel (jan@dial-213-168-89-130.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@M690P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "When all else fails, read the instructions" hi jan somehow I am not surprised that we didn't get select for the eGov thing as look who the email is from ;) dj_mad_goat: is it picking up the onboard scsi? if so, you might wanna consider err, scratch that Action: jcater wouldn't want to support that config for you :) >From: stanco >Tony Stanco, Esq. >Senior Policy Analyst >Open Source and e-Gov >Cyberspace Policy Institute >George Washington University >2033 K Street N.W., Suite 340 >Washington, DC 20006 >202-994-5513 Fax:202-994-5505 >Stanco@seas.gwu.edu >http://www.egovos.org >http://www.cpi.seas.gwu.edu blah oh yeah i win :) i pulled machine apart and wrote down all the numbers off all the chips one was like 53c87something and there was similar module in that list for bf24 i choose it and it no failed :) Action: jcater thought I already said try bf24 like an hour ago and it sees the disk in partitiion hard disk :) you did but that is not much help w/o know what module to load :) i.e. thats what i was trying to get help from in here :) you had suggested a similar one is there any documentation the xmlElements parser dict? which failed but the bf24 suggestion was gold chillywilly: the code blah hopefully the rest goes well Action: jcater is afraid to know what you're designing ? me? ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" ya, you don't you get the commit list? I see a kitchen sink there's a parser for the ODL xml format that I started ODL? aprono (~aprono@modem80-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. thekicthensink.godl is a big xml file Object Definition Language ya, I know that jcater wouldnt know about the ODL = Only Dumb Users stuff he should've called it Ye Ole Definition Language then it'd be a YODL file :) heh I don't like your parser why not se xml.dom? s/se/use/ I think that lives in pyxml and/or xml.minidom Action: chillywilly looks into the python dom api um many reasons first of which dom requires you to load the entire thing into memory before using which could become a biggie for really big projects and 2 and this is really important, so listen carefully DOM licks the bag any questions? eh... I know about the reading in the document thing, why does it lick the bag though? just becase of that? Action: jcater is more an event-driven guy not a tree-driven one it just works out better that way aren't you building your own tree? exactly but we do more than that what do you have against SAX? oh well...it's not a big deal I'll just see which is easier to use ;) making this dictionary and forcing my xml to be flatter is what I don't like that has nothing to do with SAX or DOM that has to do with us keeping our stuff simple we made up that dictionary thing to serve our needs what else does it do? initialization? ya default values initialization conversion from old, deprecated formats to current format importing oh and all Designer needs is that dictionary to be able to support the basics of a product that was the biggie ok as I don't want to have to code a product twice once for the actual runtime and once for the designer module that's why I cringe everytime I hear "why not use DTD instead of the GFParser.py dictionary?" um, because our dictionary is doing more than parsing XML :) Action: chillywilly actually likes schemas better DTDs are old skewl but anyway I don;t want to make life harde fr designer but I figure appserver will have an metaobject api (operations to add classes, methods to existing classes, etc.) and/or you can modify the xml files directly brb Action: chillywilly is away: dinner Action: jcater is cornfused as I didn't think we were starting out w/ODL Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:06:32) we used gcd which was IDL + some stuff wanting t be ODL ODL == IDL + classes, attributes, relationships, and collections ya sure but how far did we get w/IDL ? :) err, GCD well, I'm going home ta ta jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" hmmmph acm (~Andy@hax0r-9600bps-analog-modem-pool.3solv.net) joined #gnuenterprise. IDL was used in making corba interfaces to the old geas imho, corba was the old geas's problem and the fact it was writtin in C did help with intergration with existing code did not Action: acm plucks up courage ermmm...is gnuenterprise the same as gnue ? yessiree gnue is short for gnu enterprise wow...I bet you wish all questions were that easy! ;) yes :) Nick change: acm -> acmZzzzzzzzz Action: acmZzzzzzzzz is away: sleeping Bobacus (~rob@pc2-cmbg2-5-cust191.cam.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. i like SAX DOM is just an API... hi chillywilly :) Action: siesel is a bit slow today :) ello siesel (jan@dial-213-168-89-130.netcologne.de) left irc: "BitchX sucks" k, I have no reason to use DOM wold require parsing a tree twice waste of time I like DOM better than SAX yes, bt the way the gnue tools works is you don't have to create a DOM tree representing xml and then create a tree of objects that access the other cde like the rpc stuff, the db layer, etc. s/cde/code/ ths we can als use the SAX parser to create metaobjects straight from the xml for the appserver yea otherwise yo have to create 2 trees Or you could use DOM internally for the objects :) which is how it is er..well we create a tree of GObjs directly so they are like an internal DOM yea I mean, using dom, it creates the objects for you using SAX we build them.... but I see your point hmmm sax is good if your object model isn't much like the XML tree, or you don't want to deal with the overhead in your model and ours is exactly like an xml tree HEH at least from what I am told I haven't looked deeply into the code well why not use dom then serialization and loading is trivial then maybe jc will come back Indeed there are likely to be lots of reasons not to then I can harass him some more ;) well the reasons he gave were not quite adiquate becase if they build their own tree what's the point in not using the DOM? yep maybe less control over the objects in the dom tree? well when you build a tree of arbitrary objects they can do lts of different things can't they? don't you normally derive from Node though? aprono (~aprono@modem80-adsl1.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" All of the components of an XML document are subclasses of Node. jcater (~jcater@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jcater hi\ Bobacus (~rob@pc2-cmbg2-5-cust191.cam.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "[x]chat" chillywilly: see one of the latest posts on the GNUe list? ;) nope er, you mean abot e-gov? or something else?