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<ajmitch> hi siesel
<siesel> hi ajmitch, hi all 
<chillywilly> hey jan
<siesel> hi chillywilly
<Remosi> the FSF wanted a contact manager program written in GnuE didn't they?
<ajmitch> yep
<ajmitch> bbl :)
<Remosi> did anything come of that?
<chillywilly> dunno, that's da masta's domain
<Remosi> are there any production quality apps for GNUe yet?
<chillywilly> nope
<chillywilly> not yet
<chillywilly> ppl have various 2-tier systems in place
<chillywilly> like jcater and jamest do, iirc
<chillywilly> no real apps/packages though
<chillywilly> you can use our nice accounting system or anything like that
<chillywilly> er, can't
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> no place to enter invoices yet ;)
<Remosi> heh
<Remosi> trying to find a list of things of why people would want a Linux server in their small business :)
<chillywilly> freedom ;)
<chillywilly> their systems don't drop off like flies
<chillywilly> their admins are happier ;)
<Remosi> heh
<Remosi> yeah, I know those ones
<Remosi> just trying to think of practical apps
<siesel> yes, exactly.
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<chillywilly> admining winders is like kicking yourself in the nuts
<siesel> there is nothing to administrate, you just can install it and reinstall it and reinstall it :(
<chillywilly> yep
<chillywilly> problem it is having
<chillywilly> it hangs on power save mode
<chillywilly> it wa set t just turn off the monitor
<chillywilly> it still doesn't wake up
<chillywilly> so I turned it off
<chillywilly> bt that's not what took me all night
<chillywilly> I took the whole thing apart and cleaned it good
<siesel> Remosi: there is an version of a kind of contact manager in forms/samples/track
<chillywilly> plled everything out of the case except the mobo
<chillywilly> man it was dirty
<siesel> Yea, one reason to use water cooling, is to have a CLEAN case :)
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> it helps when you overclock it ;)
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<siesel> btw. do you know how to check which package was updated in debian/unstable between today and yesterday?
<chillywilly> apt-get update; apt-get [dist-]upgrade ;)
<chillywilly> with th one option turned on
<chillywilly> or your apt.conf configured properly
<chillywilly> ;)
<siesel> I mean without using apt or dselect 
<chillywilly> I know
<chillywilly> I was being a smart ass
<chillywilly> I dunno I don't worry about it
<chillywilly> I just ask the apt bot and see if there's anything broke
<chillywilly>  /j #debian
<chillywilly>  /msg apt news #debian
<chillywilly> news read 1
<chillywilly> news read 2
<chillywilly> news read ...
<chillywilly> if all is well I upgrade
<siesel> I just would like to know if libwxgtk2.2-python is updated soon. 
<chillywilly> ah yea
<chillywilly> well lemme see
<chillywilly> I jst upgraded a while ago
<chillywilly> btw, incoming.debian.org has stff waiting to go into the archive
<chillywilly> nope
<chillywilly> Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
<chillywilly>   libwxgtk2.2-python: Depends: python (< 2.2) but 2.2.1-10 is to be installed
<chillywilly> E: Sorry, broken packages
<chillywilly> this blows
<chillywilly> no forms
<chillywilly> :(
<siesel> yes, since monday, I have to live with dpkg -i --force-depends libwxgtk2.2-python.deb :(
<chillywilly> does it work?
<chillywilly> if so thenI wouldn't sweat it
<chillywilly> it sucks but you can live with it
<chillywilly> siesel: wasn't it you that mention PLR and gave me a link to an article about it?
<chillywilly> mentioned PLY that is
<chillywilly> ttp://www.linuxgazette.com/issue79/divakaran.html
<chillywilly> that one
<chillywilly> er, http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue79/divakaran.html
<siesel> yep, 
<chillywilly> scky thing is yu have to read the input in as a big string to pass in, it won't take streamable objects like sockets or files
<chillywilly> it doesn't do LALR either
<chillywilly> but it seems easier to use
<chillywilly> LALR(1) that is
<chillywilly> does SLR parsing
<chillywilly> crud, I need to go to bed
<chillywilly> night siesel
<chillywilly> nigt all
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<terr> I hope there are ppl here - I'd like to ask a few questions.
<terr> Is the the developers group or the users group?
<terr> Anyone?
<Sacha_away> hi terr
<Sacha_away> some are developpers here. (me not :)
<terr> Still here.
<terr> I was reading up on vide.  Oh - so much to learn.
<terr> Sacha - I read the docs on GNUe forms.  I'm familiar with Oracle SQL*FORMS and PLSQL.  When I read the GNUe forms docs it looks as if some things are similar.  
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<terrell> damn - system dropped
<terrell> Sacha - still here?
<ra3vat> terrell: hi
<Sacha_away> terrell yes.
<Sacha_away> terrell: i install gnue (including common, forms and designer) two nights ago. give it a try, maybe
<terrell> did you get any of the questions I was trying to ask?  My system disconnected
<ra3vat> terrell: main forms developers jamest and jcater also users (former?) of Oracle Forms
<terrell> sacha - I jsut want to ask how one specific thing is handled - if it is nadles that is.
<Sacha_away> the only question i got: if oracles sql*forms and plsql is similar to gnue forms. i dont know oracles form.
<Sacha_away> terrell: ra3vat is your man :)
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<ra3vat> oh
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<terr> arrgh
<terr> In block2 I think the variables will correspond to a single sepcific record at any point in time. right?
<terr> If so - then is there some way that trigger code can fetch a value  from the "previous" reocrd for block2 or the "next" record?
<terr> OR can more than one record be referenced by block2 and if so how are the block.variables mapped into the database records?
<ra3vat> what is block2?
<ra3vat> what are you trying to do?
<terr> just a block that hold variables corresponding to a table in the databse where multiple entries exist.
<terr> well say I had line items in an invoice with a line# that is stored - not the real example but easy to understand.
<terr> when block2 is on say line item#4 I want to know if the values in lines other than 4 can be referenced
<terr> In this case block1 woudl hold the header infor for the invoice incl an invoice# while block2 corresponds to all the line items.  One can have several line items on any given invoice of couirse
<ra3vat> trying to fing you something useful
<terr> ra - hey thanks.  
<terr> I coun't see any reference in the syntax in the docs that would lead me to beleive that a variable in block2 can refer to other than a single record from table2.
<terr> Something whipped by
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<lupo> hi jbailey
<jbailey> hi lupo
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<siesel> hi all :)
<psu> hi siesel
<psu> New KC is up
<psu> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20020907_45.html
<psu> Man, the formatting on the bullet points sucks bag
<psu> (no idea what that means, but it sounds good)
<siesel> cool. 
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<siesel> Hi heikoV
<heikoV> hello
<heikoV> it was a long time
<heikoV> how is the weather in germany?
<siesel> quite pleasant, ~ 27°C, sun, ...
<heikoV> what are the main focusses of gnue right now?
<siesel> hmmm, at the moment the main working areas seems to be gnue-designer, the gtk2 uidriver for forms, reports, appserver ....
<siesel> quite difficult to tell, everyone has his favorites :)
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<heikoV> ???
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<psu> website now has the new, lite blue, colour scheme
<psu> as per the e-mail list discussion
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<jcAway> psu: excellent
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<chillywilly> hmmm, seems GNUe KC #45 is 404
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<ajmitch> hey fixe
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<Mr_You> hi
<Mr_You> samurai jack is a cool cartoon heh, powerpuff girls aren't  so bad either heh
<chillywilly> hehe
<Mr_You> just watched the movie and roommate bought some powerpuff girl episodes..
<chillywilly> HEH
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<Mr_You> well adults make'em ;-)
<Mr_You> S.J. kinda blew me away tho..
<chillywilly> ja
<chillywilly> S.J. rawks
<chillywilly> the guy from saturday night live does his voice
<Mr_You> there's a lot of tradition in there..
<Mr_You> yeah
<chillywilly> the skinny black guy
<Mr_You> its like the director is up on his samurai action flicks
<Mr_You> long pauses for emphases, dramatic action..
<Mr_You> great music
<Mr_You> good message
<Mr_You> all of it
<Mr_You> best action cartoon for kids I've seen in a long time
<chillywilly> yea
<Mr_You> you seen the episode with the irish guy and the hillbillies?
<chillywilly> well I *have* t sleep
<Mr_You> its the bonus episode on the DVD
<chillywilly> night night
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<ajmitch> hey derek
<derek> hi ajmitch
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