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<derek> havent dug that deep
<esands> Hmm, doesn't have it then. This is one thing sql-ledger has that nola doen't.  I noted the same for gnucash-small-business.  Must be a US sales tax thing.
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<esands> Might take a little bit of work to add it. Hmm.
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<derek> psu psu psu
<derek> they make my boy reyna el captiano yet?
<ajmitch> heh
<psu> derek: not yet. But another team performance like last night & they'll have to
<psu> as he'll be the only player left
<psu> ;)
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<psu> on the plus side, Newcastle are one place behind us
<psu> but w/a game in hand
<psu> anyway
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<ajmitch> why, psu?
<psu> I don;t believe it's a fine autumnal morning where you are
<psu> in fact, only 1 of those three attributes could even poss be true ;-)
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<psu> sigh. Just finished a massive DCL catch-up session
<psu> needless to say, I've ended up opening more than I've closed
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<esands> derek: btw what is the intend announce regarding acclite you where mentioning?
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<esands> ugh
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<btami> mornig all
<reinhard> good morning all
<SachaS> morning reinhard
<JohannesV> hi
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<esands> exit
<esands> er
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<reinhard> hmmm
<reinhard> i love this one
<reinhard> I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to
<reinhard> promote peace than our governments.  Indeed, I think that people want
<reinhard> peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of
<reinhard> the way and let them have it.
<reinhard> 		-- Dwight D. Eisenhower
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<esands> Hmm, I guess if you call "the group to organise peace on our behalf" something other than government...
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<esands> theKompany have release a demo of the Kapital for this interested. debs here: ftp://ftp.rygannon.com/pub/Kapital/Debian/, http://www.thekompany.com/products/kapital/demovers.php3
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<ajmitch> ugh,proprietary
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<ariel_> does anyone tested how many rows a dropdown entry can hold?
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<ariel_> does anyone tested how many rows a dropdown entry can hold?
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<derek> ariel_: define tested
<derek> at work right i have one holding just under a thousand
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<derek> then asks 'you have a minute?'
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<ToyMan> heh
<ToyMan> hi derek
<ToyMan> ducking in and out... working on the new factory
<derek> you stud
<derek> er stu ;)
<nickr> disco stu
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<siesel> hi
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<pdroj> i"#1"#$%%/"
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<filc> Hi psu
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<chillywilly> http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-01-23&res=l
<chillywilly> note the "krispy kreme" reference ;)
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<chillywilly> bye
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<chillywilly> back
<chillywilly> anyone home?!?
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<chillywilly> lead and all
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<Chipaca> hi all
<Chipaca> has anyone tried gnue on linux on sparc?
<Chipaca> it seems to break in new, improved ways
<Chipaca> ok, I'll take that back
<Chipaca> it was the site.py that had the wrong encoding :/
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<psu> multi-platform was one of the reasons for using python 
<psu> along with multi-UI
<psu> multi-DB 
<psu> and multi-everything else
<psu> oh, multi-lang trigger support
<psu> some of these are targets rather than now
<psu> but the basic GNUe motto is
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<psu> "we work with the weird crap you already have"
<psu> heh scared him away ;-)
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<siesel> hi
<filc> hi
<siesel> offtopic: anyone has a good recipe for pumpkin pie ?
<psu> hi filc from some time ago ;)
<psu> {jcater,jamest,derek}'s mom - it's the American tradition
<jcater> psu: that's apple pie, silly
<jcater> as in, "As American as Apple Pie and Baseball"
<psu> pumpkim pie == halloween
<psu> another all-American tradition
<siesel> Ok, so you just eat turkey for thanks giving?
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<jcater> siesel: I usually
<jcater> get my recipes from allrecipes.com
<jcater> they have a cool rating system that rarely lets me down :)
<jcater> siesel: actually, I'm kinda unamerican in that respect
<jcater> I prefer ham on thanksgiving
<jcater> instead of turkey
<jcater> (but don't tell anyone)
<jcater> (dubya might send the Patriotic committee after me)
<jcater> g
<Citellus_citellu> lol
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<Citellus_citellu> hi Daniel
<chillywilly> um, hi
<chillywilly> oh it's you jan :)
<chillywilly> hiya!
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<psu> jcater: thanks for getting the CVS snapshots up & running again
<psu> I have updated the text on the website
<psu> derek: ignore that e-mail from www-data, I've sorted it
<psu> plus the php page it tells you to visit doesn't exist anyway ;-)
<filc> just reading the Forms docs.... what are FDL Properties?
<filc> sorry...Forms Technical Reference
<filc> FDL = Forms Definition Language
<filc> Is there a glossary anywhere for all these acronyms?
<psu> not as such 
<psu> Kernel Cousins is probably the best source 
<psu> as I try to explode acronyms wherever possible
<psu> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe & use the search box
<filc> cool... thanks
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<psu> Actually, a GNUe acronyms list would make a cool addition to the website
<psu> Care to submit a patch? ;-)
<filc> OK.  I'll keep a list of them as I'm perusing through the docs, and if it's decent I'll submit it.
<filc> Erm... it'll be plain text for the moment because I don't know docbook or anything like that
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<psu> <li></li> is enough formatting for me
<chillywilly> xhtml?
<chillywilly> ;)
<psu> Well, the KC source is all XML
<filc> can do xhtml...
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<Chipaca> jcater, james, dneighbo: i need your emails
<Chipaca> :/
<jamest> All of them? Damn, I'm running at least 1100 in my inbox alone
<psu>  /var/spool/mail/jamest > mail Chipaca ;-)
<jamest> s/>/|/
<jamest> :)
<psu> psu | bed
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<jamest> jamest@gnuenterprise.org 
<Chipaca> jamest: thanks
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<Chipaca_PDA> jamest: do you know jcater's? or should I just assume foo@gnuenterprise?
<chillywilly> that still wouldn't work jamest
<Chipaca_PDA> hmm
<Chipaca_PDA> rats
<chillywilly> yo can't just pipe a file into a program ;)
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<chillywilly> cat file | program
<Chipaca_PDA> chillywilly: I thought you were saying that jamest@gnuenterprise still wouldn't work
<chillywilly> no
<Chipaca_PDA> chillywilly: cheaper to program < file
<chillywilly> yep
<chillywilly> then you can just use the file
<chillywilly> psu wants to overwrite stuff
<chillywilly> ;)
<jamest> :)
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<Citellus_citellu> ~//quit night
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<Chipaca_PDA> jcater: I'm missing yours
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<chillywilly> you're ircing from a PDA?
<Chipaca_PDA> no, I'm acting as Fede's PDA
<Chipaca_PDA> Fede =~ perlhead
<chillywilly> lol
<Chipaca_PDA> I'm a bit of overkill, but still, he's the boss
<chillywilly> HEH
<chillywilly> you all work for that same non-profit?
<Chipaca_PDA> yes
<chillywilly> cool
<Chipaca_PDA> yes
<chillywilly> :)
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<Chipaca_PDA> chillywilly: hey! what're you doing reading the bison manual!
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<chillywilly> going to write an ODL parser
<chillywilly> a real one
<chillywilly> then go back to the xml one for my markup
<Chipaca_PDA> bully for you
<chillywilly> bully?
<Chipaca_PDA> umm
<chillywilly> brb, phone
<chillywilly> back
<Chipaca_PDA> that was quick
<chillywilly> "unknown caller"
<Chipaca_PDA> bully as in horray, viva, etc
<chillywilly> on the caller ID
<chillywilly> means 
<chillywilly> don't answer it
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> I get it :)
<Chipaca_PDA> my mom uses the expression, it's probably scottish
<Chipaca_PDA> jcater@gnue.org
<Chipaca_PDA> I wonder if that's still working?
<chillywilly> should be
<chillywilly> I dunno if @gnue.org addresses are working or not
<chillywilly> yo can try chillywilly@gnue.org and then I can tell you ;)
<Chipaca_PDA> done that
<Chipaca_PDA> chillywilly: did you get it?
<filc> I know "bully for you"... general Uk expression me thinks
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<chillywilly> Chipaca_PDA: ummmm....
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<chillywilly> Chipaca_PDA: no dice, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything
<chillywilly> Chipaca_PDA: ash is up but I have no shell account anymore either
<filc> What is the official acronym - Is it GNUE or GNUe?  
<chillywilly> GNUe
<chillywilly> GNU Enterprise
<chillywilly> our logo has a little e
<filc> So... patches for GNUE -> GNUe are ok? ;)
<chillywilly> ummm, I dunno if we are that picky though
<chillywilly> perhaps you should talk to our marketing department/director ;)
<filc> I'm a fusspott. :)
<chillywilly> (i.e., Derek ;) )
<jcater> Chipaca_PDA: jcater@gnue.org
<jcater> that's my primary GNUe email address I give to everyone
<jcater> and it works
<Chipaca_PDA> jcater: thanks!
<chillywilly> or get jcater's opinion
<chillywilly> ;P
<jcater> unless it's a problem
<jcater> then email to /dev/null
<jcater> :)
<jcater> j/k
<Chipaca_PDA> jcater: I guessed that was it from the irc logs, but thanks for confirming
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<ajmitch> bye chillza
<ajmitch> :)
<cw-away> well I am not *really* away
<cw-away> jst busy
<ajmitch> ok
<cw-away> trying to leave irc alone
<ajmitch> i'm going to go away for the weekend
<cw-away> doing a good job eh? ;)
<ajmitch> and leave irc
<ajmitch> heh
<cw-away> YAY
<ajmitch> hah
<ajmitch> ok, you can go now, have a good weekend :)
<cw-away> you too
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<filc> it is here ;)
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<LuftHans> derek: you going tonight?
<filc> What are the parameters you guys use for running jade?
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<chillywilly> to bild the docbook stuff?
<filc> yep
<chillywilly> build even
<chillywilly> se db2* where * is the format you want, e.g., db2html, db2pdf, etc.
<chillywilly> s/se/use/
<chillywilly> db2html main.sgml
<ajmitch> chillywilly: given up on trying to avoid irc ? ;)
<chillywilly> it's impossiblt
<chillywilly> impossible
<chillywilly> ;)
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<filc> gotya.... thanks chillywilly
<chillywilly> np
<filc> The docs need some sort of versioning in them - I might have realised I was reading out of date stuff on gnue.org!
<chillywilly> sorry :(
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<chillywilly> geas architecture document
<chillywilly> "appserver"
<chillywilly> whatever ;)
<filc> ;)
<filc> Any objections to me trying to add the generation of the docs as part of the setup-cvs.py?  No guarantees that I'll manage to do it though
<chillywilly> hmmmmm
<chillywilly> that's probably a decent idea
<chillywilly> go for it
<filc> hmm. docbook output is rather nice...
<chillywilly> it's not too shabby
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<chillywilly> hi jamest
<jamest> howdy
<filc> re
<chillywilly> how are you doing this fine evening?
<jamest> so so 
<jamest> working on a hylafax setup
<chillywilly> ok
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<filc> getting somewhere .... I'm checking that people have db2html, is this pretty standard?
<jamest_> db2html?
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<filc> Yep... I'm note sure if db2html is installed with most distros
<filc> s/note/not
<jamest_> is that docbook?
<filc> yep
<jamest_> I know that solaris doesn't include it
<jamest_> it's an option under debian
<filc> ok.. thanks
<filc> where - by default would you want your docs installed if running from cvs ?
<filc> how about ~/gnuedocs/ ?
<jamest_> hmmmm
<jamest_> from the setup-cvs script?
<filc> yup.
<jamest_> They couldn't just stay in normal cvs?
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<filc> sorry - I've tweaked setup-cvs.py to auto-generate .html versions of the docbook manuals in /docbook.  I wanted to put them in a separate place to be easily findable - by newbies, like me
<jamest_> ah
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<filc> works ok now.. just need to set the defaults.
<filc> I'll send a patch in... see what happens.
<jamest_> hmmmm
<jamest_> right now IIRC the cvs setup puts it's config in $HOME/gnue
<filc> yep... 
<jamest_> but installed gnue puts it's user config in $HOME/.gnue
<jamest_> so I'd be tempted to put the docs in $HOME/gnue/docs
<filc> sounds good to me, patch on it's way.
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<filc> sent
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<chillywilly> who cares about solaris ;)
<chillywilly> non-free crack!
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> oh darn he left ;)
<chillywilly> hi dneighbo
<filc> right off to bed... tasks for tomorrow... update redhat7.3 docs.
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<dneighbo> its time to run
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