ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl1-155.citlink.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-135.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. filc (~filc@public1-cosh3-3-cust111.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. received and signed my copyright assignment form.... just gotta get work to sign their part siesel (jan@dial-213-168-88-236.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi tamas (tamas@3e70d722.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. tamas (tamas@3e70d722.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: Client Quit SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-135.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-01.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello h Hi Arturas anyone else getting mail from commit-gnue@gnue.org... looks broken to me I've got a mail form commit-gnue on 02/09/11 14:02:39 and one afterwards, when did you get your last commit mail? After that last mail, there was no change anymore. I wasn't subscribed until the middle of last week, but I haven't had a mail for your changes yet designer/src/schema/Instance.py designer/src/TreeView.py hmmm, thats strange. can you use the webinterface of "mailman" to check your subscription status? I will do a commit in the next hour, so you have another chance to test. :) yep... I definetly subscribed. Just checked using the web interface jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. how can I get the python path on win32? i.e. in normal cases this should be C:\python21 i'm not sure that i understand what you need; but there is variable called PATH that should hold pyhton's path setup-cvs.py has a bit in it that traverses the path not sure if it works in win32 I need a way to access the directory where the config files are stored. On Unix I just use os.environ["HOME"]+"gnue/etc/connections.conf" On windows I just want to replace that os.environ["HOME"] by something else. and if I remeber right the settings are stored in C:\python21\gnue\etc\connections.conf oh, seems, that sys.prefix provides something useful hi siesel hi chillywilly bbiab Action: chillywilly has to test this Debian net install CD and then g burn some more copies for the install fest at the LUG today :) cool. cya chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" btw. did you know about a working PPC net install cd? I mean working on a Mac G4 (needs kernel 2.4) GEDI = ??? Maniac-[ypeels] (~User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) User_ (~User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel: I haven't found non-i386 net install CDs. Your best bet is to take a jigdo image and prune it down yourself. I did a sparc install yesterday, and they've improve the installer even more since I used it last. It was a pleasant surprise. There are PowerPC net install images out there, but they won't boot on my machine, and I'm not shure how to make a bootable cd for Macs The last time I tried was in March, so I hope that it has changed :) Is EWOK now known as GNUe Integrator ? ? What was EWOK? Dunno... I'm just going through the manuals. Trying to learn/update all the acronyms EWOK (Enterprise Wide Office Kommunication btw. you should receive 3 commit mails now Not yet. http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/commit-gnue/2002-September/thread.html ... has not updated yet. Should it? yes Doh... lookint at the wrong end of the file!! siesel: Did you get any mails? chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-88-236.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) siesel (jan@dial-195-14-235-123.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. filc: yes siesel: ok... sorted it... I'm stupid siesel: sorry psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi psu hi filc EWOK was never more than a proposal, IIRC Was replaced by the seperate Bayonne project ISTR we got an e-mail to the EWOK mailing list not long ago asking about collectable EWOK figures (from Star Wars) GEDI = GNUe Enterprise D? Integrator = now GNUe Integrator ok... groovy I'm updating the "Introduction for Developers Docs", http://www.gnuenterprise.org/docs/DevelopersIntroduction/developerintro.html Having most trouble with the "Architecture" part Application and ICL both seem to be GNUe Forms well, there are (both in theory and practice), different versions of GNUe Forms i.e. GNUe Forms as we know it (wxpython) is just "an" implementation of GNUe Forms, not "the" as, even in practice, we have a (broken) curses (text-only) Forms client which I believe Gontran was looking at fixing and the phpForms client that Jan did some work on before getting lured into working on Appserver and beyond that people have talked about Forms clients in java, perl, and most other popular and obscure langs and UIs Oh, plus the planned Bayonne Forms client, of course filc: you better do a 90% rewrite of that architecture section In effect, a Forms client is anything that can parse .gfd (GNUe Forms Definition) files and produce an interface of some sort for the end-user to interact with but we have return of the GEDI in appserver where it is now GNUe Data Interface (the object relational layer) but that's all internal to appserver...nothing else should use it there should be 1) Backend (RDBMS, etc) provided by postgres,sapdb... accessed by GEDI 2) middleware (optional) provided by appserver 3) client/thin client provided by forms siesel: agreed applications code/buisness rules can be moved into 1+3 (i.e. two-tier) or in 2 (three-tier) yea thanks guys. helping loads where in 1 do the business rules go? oh, it would be important to say something about gnue-common in there. I.e. that gnue-common provides the connection between the different levels, i.e it provides GEDI/database abstraction (used by appserver(3-tier) /forms (2-tier)) and GNURPC i.e. RPC-abstraction (connection between appserver and forms, or reports and reports server) In 1 business rules would be stored procedures or triggers in the database :) do the majority of people of people still develop around PostgreSQL, Firebird (?) and unixODBC (?) ? reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) chillywilly: at the moment I really need a package format. filc: ewok was replaced by Bayonne for the most part Nick change: jcConstructionDu -> jcater oh psu already said that :) Action: jcater should read all the way thru the backlogs before answering questions siesel: hmmm? Action: jcater blushes jcater: thanks anyway siesel: for a "gnue" package? siesel: ISTR some quite strong opinions that biz rule should not be stored in the d/b i want to give my users two files to download. i.e. forms-setup.exe (or debian) and a mypackage-setup.zip and they can use the application without any configuration oh, I see i.e. the .gcd replacement would be an XML text document siesel: I've actually been thinking a lot about that I think we need, at a basic level, the equivalent of java's jar files If it was stored in a d/b, that was fine, but it was not to be a requirement jcater: the project tag I know. jcater: agree. Action: jcater thinks python's standard library includes support for reading some archive files like zip, tar, etc psu: I forgot to say, that if you want to have real buisness rules you have to use appserver :) since python natively handles one of those file types on all platforms (we need to verify) I think we should start out with that siesel: agreed siesel: I think the benefit of using appserver only is rules all in one place. gurney (gurney@ts1-a215.Barnaul.dial.rol.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. the zipfile (provides access to zip) library is optional (i.e. I dunno if it supported on both win32 and unix) bye Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-01.vtu.lt) left irc: there's a MultiFile module but that's more for mime-separated sections of files probably more overhead than we want Hello gurney: hello hi gnuebot :) gurney, even jcater: I thought about putting all needed files (gfd,gsd..) (possibly with paths) into on zip file, but give it another name. siesel: hmm, I wonder about using a dbm-type file for our packaging siesel: I wish we knew how often people had python without the zipfile support reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. ello reinhard I'm working on a project for my university now. And I want to now when GNUe modules will be at least at beta stage? Can somebody help me? siesel: the only reason I mention the dbm format is that it seems python always includes at least a "dumbdbm" implementation siesel: not sure how practical that would be storing files though.... just a thought gurney: depends which parts of GNUe you need don't we have a dbm driver of our own? ;) If you want to use the tools to write your own application you can surely do that now psu:I need Forms, Reports, Designer, App Server, Document Store as Forms, Designer are at a fairly stable 0.3 version and even Reports is rather more advanced than the 0.0.1 version tag would lead you to believe AppServer is rapidly proceeding to beyond proof of concept stage I think I finally understand why you mentioned .jar files. do you probably just don't extract it, but call all forms etc. from within? so the main problem is probably Doc Store jar file-like thing would be cool' par files ;) siesel: I think something like that would be cool maybe it's too premature to do that gear files ;-) :) but it would make packaging and redistribution really easy gear files? gne archive er, gnue ah :') "Have you downloaded all the GEAR for that new application yet?" lol Action: jcater likes GNU Enterprise ARchive w00t "Yeah, I managed to get all the GEAR installed last night.." psu: No.. Go for downloading... to implement that .jar file thing, we would just need to patch that openResource procedure a bit :) hmmmm damn skippy Action: jcater prefers Dynamic Archiving and Management Network (or something similar) then it can be "Did you download the DAMN files first?" hehe DAMN!!! but, I digress Action: filc like the drug overtones of GEAR and digress you shall have you got all the gear yet? it would be something like opening a url like "gear://accounting_base/currency/currency.gfd" jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). siesel: dude, you're right rock on it would be that easy Action: jcater forgot everything uses the openResource call which would access the file currency.gfd at path currency/ in the accounting_base.gear file or everything *should* :) using navigator would be quite easy, because the path wouldn't change then to define gnue packages we wold have sme format specifying gear:// lines? yip kewl Action: jcater things the packager could change absolute references to gear:// references s/things/thinks of course, if you use the Project support (when it comes about) in Designer, it'll handle it too :) :) Action: siesel thinks that packages need a special file which descibes the content of the package and on which packages it depends hrrrm sounds like a deb ;) chillywilly: only it's a gear! :) yes! "Get into GEAR with GNU Enterprise..." aw sheeeit Action: siesel just don't know if that special file could be in the same format as a project definition file? which would make packaging quite easy :) Action: jcater has to go work on the bookstore today Nick change: jcater -> jcBookstore http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20020914_46.html is now out - a massive 33 threads this week wow great. "Get you GEAR here!!!" s/you/your/ Action: siesel now has something to print out and during the obsolent visit at his parents /and/and read/ siesel (jan@dial-195-14-235-123.netcologne.de) left irc: "get*a go" The human condition defined - "how's it going sir?" - "cloudy, cold, no coffee, no women - and lots of work. good ay, uh?" heheh one of StyXman's more cheery moments last week ;) yea :) I remember ;) LUG meeting in t minus 1 hour 35 mins or so :) Action: chillywilly should eat something gurney (gurney@ts1-a215.Barnaul.dial.rol.ru) left irc: "RusmIRC 2.0 from Hetfield_ (c) 2000 http://www.irc.ru" lupo (~lupo@B2cd6.pppool.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi Lupo any news? no, not a single damn new ;-) (v old joke) New Kernel Cousins is just out, actually :-) Just reading KC, very good job psu... heh thanks great psu! [11:53] Last message repeated 2 time(s). LUG meeting in t minus 1 hour 10 mins or so :) can the stuff about copying gnue.conf be removed from setup-cvs.py now that gnue.conf is optional? Nick change: chillywilly -> cwAway cwAway (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" filc: gnue.conf is optional? since when? http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20020914_46.html#11 well, it's only optional if all the default values the app assumes are acceptable which, for anyone using a non-US character set, is immediately untrue as I understand it where are the default values stored? AFAIK, in the code yip there will be a GFParser.py (or GRParser.py for Reports) in the source tree but you can see the defaults common/src/dbdrivers/configfile/DBdriver.py ?? by running any of the client tools with the --configuration-parameters flag err --configuration-options i see it will give you a formatted list of all valid options and the default value psu: once again, great job on the KC :) Action: jcBookstore is depending on them more and more to stay in touch thanks "KC - reducing the noise-to-signal ratio since 2001" ;) Action: psu looks at that again - have I got that the wrong way around? :-) gotta go, by e lupo (~lupo@B2cd6.pppool.de) left #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dneighbo hi Action: dneighbo is away: yard_work reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Don't believe in miracles -- rely on them" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("nite..."). siesel (~chatzilla@port211.waldbroel.ndh.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi anyone home? wb cw howdy LUG meeting was fun :) whatcha working' on siesel doh, my sentence got split ;) searching material about getting a filehandle for a file stored in a zip file aaaah ;) is it ok if I stick with an ODL parser? ;) n.p. | do you already decided which framework to use? ummm, not yet I read Spark and PLY docs probably PLY it looks the easiest PyLR looks incomplete and complicated also 4suite has BisonGen but there's licensing issues there so... in all likelihood I will use PLY here's a neat trick to do enums in python: class EnumMember: pass class Enum: def lookup(self, st): for e in self.elements: if e._n == st: return e return '' class One(EnumMember): _n = 'One' _v = 0 ... elements = (One, ...) then, Some.enum = Enum() Some.enum.lookup('One') Action: siesel getting tired siesel (~chatzilla@port211.waldbroel.ndh.net) left irc: "night" Action: filc cool code cw thanks Action: dneighbo is back (gone 02:07:42) hi dneighbo hi why is whitespace in python re modle deinfed like: r"\s+" ? module defined I don't get it...t me it would seem this is one or more 's' chars ? they say \s is special got me it stand for whitespace that is obviously non-POSIX I would think white space wold be " \t " a regex with that in it er "[ \t ]*" or something 0 or more spaces or tabs probably a perlism.... then again POSIX can do [[:space:]] so r"\s+" is just a short cut like the above char class chillywilly: dont take this wrong way but who really cares at this point? why debate the academic? Action: dneighbo assumes you arent using this functionality currently? you use regexps to write a lexer I am evaluating the pythn lexx/yacc tools ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port52.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) and was trying to nderstand an example and I want to use it to parse odl ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port44.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. word up, homies or not whiiirrrrred sup slick dog mooooo cow :) wopn is up and streeaaming Action: dneighbo rolls on over there they are playing with reverb btw, same url but a 't' at the end of the ogg file name for "test" or some crazy stuff problem is im just not hot on their music I like their stuff except the electronic crud barbicane doesn't play the electronic crap though...they play only Free music ;) too bad they dont only play christian music cmradio.net gets my vote well I have The Fish 105.3 FM here for that ;) fish is cool we dont have that here, but they had it in TN and SC when i was jason we have air1 and my favorite the effect you were Jason? how did that go? ;) what was it like? um like work did you consume many donuts? um me no, jason yes mmmmm donuts dont you remember me saying he ate wings/donuts/ranch all at one sitting donuts and ranch (only other person that would do that is my daughter ashley) http://www.effectradio.com/ well all I was doing was making fun of your typo ;) you said "when i was jason" ah s/was jason/was with jason obviously ;) plus who says we arent really the same person? God knows we are both big enough to be two people ;) the hostmasks don't lie ;) i come in the same host mask as jamest regularly or did I know I was joking dneighbo: you are just not with it tonight ;) bed... see ya Nick change: filc -> filc_bed bye nighty night did you check for bugs in the package? at debian.org http://bugs.debian.org if yo have testing lines in yor sources.list you can downgrade apt-get install package/testing iirc Action: chillywilly keeps testing lines around just fore this purpose damn wrong channel wtf mdean (~mike@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) mdean (~mike@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi mdean SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-138.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. jcBookstore: are you there?!? jcBookstore: do yo run pagemaker using Win4Lin or is that some other desktop publishing software that you use? IsoosI (dahoose@port-62-159.jet.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcBookstore: reasn I am asking is that someone I met at our LUG meeting wanted to be able to make the switch to GNU/Linux and still allow her boss to use pagemaker er, I know that's not what you use is it? jcBookstore: you se Quark Express right? Action: chillywilly pokes dtm dtm: if you read this...I talked to Jeff Carr today at the LUG meeting dtm: he says "hi!!!" hi there yay jeff carr he's my hero :) chillywilly: QuarkXPress which is more demanding of a program than pagemaker so if Quark runs, I'm sure PageMaker would without issue chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. doh cable modem got unplugged dtm: you still here? hi chillywilly hi ajmitch Nick change: SachaS -> SachaS_soccer ajmitch: they are playing sme really nice guitar jamming on WOPN ok ah well you missed it ;) he's called "guitar guy" Action: ajmitch couldn't really care whatever re I'm at the highest town on the east coast hehe ;-) ok :) I love the mountains. I'm having one last stay as they are selling this house. you have broad band up there? ;) or ssh'd into your box? actually some place does provide DSL, but I dunno about here on Beech Mountain. tho satellite would wor.. I would love to live here part time. yeah I ssh in get this yes? there use to be a theme park called "The Wizard of Oz".. its now called Emerald Mountain.. in 197x they had a theme park for summer months, it closed in 1980 We drove up on it.. its now a reasonably exclusive neighborhood, some of the park is still in tack, and in Oct they open it to the public..