adios Jan was in irc earlier what nick? siesel oh ok, til next time adios Action: Mr_You & chillywilly: pagemaker works fine under gnu/linux :) no win4lin necessary only problem is that adobe pulled the product :( i had the beta installed for a short bit ok fwiw: i am not sure jcater uses quark under win4lin, though he definitely uses quark i think a marketing machine around there might still be windows okey dokey that figures people need to support gnu/linux dagnabit ;) Isomer (dahoose@port-62-159.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Isomer Action: dneighbo is pretty confident pagemaker would work on gnu/linux with win4lin btw: they could help by using and submitting bugs feature requests to sodipodi and scribus scribus? never heard of that one apt-get install scribus (iirc) hi cw! howdy reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard hey chilly reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "For each complex problem, there is a simple, understandable, obvious, and wrong solution" good night SachaS_soccer (~Sacha@dialup-196-138.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). Nick change: filc_bed -> filc siesel (~chatzilla@port220.waldbroel.ndh.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all. jason, you here? User__ (~User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. User_ (~User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer siesel (~chatzilla@port220.waldbroel.ndh.net) left irc: "later" jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (~chatzilla@port225.waldbroel.ndh.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Hi siesel jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" siesel (~chatzilla@port225.waldbroel.ndh.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) hi LuftHans, mdean and all nickr: you trolling around mdean (~mike@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Action: dneighbo is curious if /usr/share/dcl/ is where the 'application' goes and /etc/dcl is where the config stuff goes if i want to store data (like attachments) where is the proper place? (re: debian) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all dneighbo: ISTR a long discussion about where the Debianised DCL should put attatchments KC should have the details ISTR? well for now i put in a bad place knowing later we will move it I seem to remember Jeff considered various possible locations, and wondered about using /var/spool - "Esp. if it's a temp holding pen, and not permanent storage" , quoting the guidelines that "Data in /var/spool represents work to be done in the future (by a program, user, or administrator); often data is deleted after it has been processed" . Andrew noted that squirrelmail did something similar. http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20020713_37.html#3 ah for now i put that stuff in /var/tmp/dcl/tmp/ the temp files certainly we can move it to spool easily the other stuff is permanent so shouldnt be in sppol anyway psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. Action: dneighbo is away: getting kids ready Nick change: filc -> filc_work Remosi (dahoose@port-62-132.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. Isomer (dahoose@port-62-159.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Nick change: User__ -> Maniac Action: dneighbo is away: church dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-194-8-205-114.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Nick change: filc_work -> filc hi filc psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. Hi hi filc hiya hi psu what do you think, where should be the repository for GEAR files? ~/gnue/package or ~/gnue/gear or....? probably gnue/package I would say as makes it easier to guess what a gear file is w/o having to RTFM oh gear is a jar but for GE not for J :) we're discussing already how to distribute our unlayed eggs? :) Action: siesel wrote a patch to read gfd/grd etc. from a zip file. I.e. installing apps is just moving the GEAR file into your repository you can even open a gear with navigator and a GPD file representing the GEAR content is created on the fly. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. that reminds me anyone know where to get hold of the latest version of the nstti module... can't find it in CVS, only out on the web... at http://tomte.freezope.org/td_content_level_1/code_snippets/td_content_level_2/0_nstti/td_content_level_3/screenshots/td_index_html that i should soon shift gear with appserver ;) shift? shift gear == in den nächsten Gang schalten :) IOW "Gas geben" understand :) jbailey: dneighbo was looking at the dcl debs psu: Is that a good, bad or indifferent thing? =) he had some qs re the attatchments dir i pointed him to your words of wisdom in KC ;-) Oh dear. I always wonder why people don't stick to code that 80 cols wide filc: I think it's the "you've got a smaller monitor than me, what a luser" syndrome ;-) filc: 19" here! I just object to resizing windows! filc: the most recent version of nstti is still on ash.gnuenterprise.org (see: forms/src/uidrivers/nstti/README) but the web access seems to be not working anymore. possibly jcater can put a snapshot on the website hopefully psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("nite..."). lupo (~root@p50845788.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Hi lupo hi siesel what's going on - haven't had time to check out cvs the last couple of days now you can store form files in an archive and directly load them from that archive good ... part of packaging, right? yep. I really need working packaging. Its also possible now to edit the connection.conf file via forms. btw. anything new about that european gnue conference? you said you have a place, the next step would be a date... jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). siesel (jan@dial-194-8-205-114.netcologne.de) left irc: "go to sleep" reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "For each complex problem, there is a simple, understandable, obvious, and wrong solution" simple, measurable and wrong damn, siesel is away psu, for the kernel traffic: hi i don't have yet a specific date for the meeting ajmitch: hi but i think the meeting will take place somewhen this year i'm now officially student, so i don't know when the next vacations are reinhard already has agreed on the meeting when i announce it early enough, so i have to hook up with siesel on the date what meeting is this, lupo? ajmitch: gnue european developers meeting ok i'm a little far away i already have a gratis cable modem connection for the days, as well as some other guy who's interested in the appserver stuff on the other side of the planet :-) can i somehow support you in cloning yourself and send the other part to europe? hehe lupo (~root@p50845788.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "rebooting" perlhead (~fheinz@200.43.144.248) joined #gnuenterprise. perlhead (~fheinz@200.43.144.248) left irc: "Client Exiting" hello hiya anyone know german and what reinhard said? [15:07:03] that i should soon shift gear with appserver [15:07:04] ;) [15:07:46] shift? [15:08:03] shift gear == in den nchsten Gang schalten :) [15:08:28] IOW "Gas geben" [15:09:48] understand :) "shift into gear" I understood to get moving, do something about, etc well yea I know the english part, but his english is not so good there ;) babelfish# Action: chillywilly forgot abot babelfish about When was the last time you guys heard from gontran? Action: chillywilly vaguely remebers that guy he worked on nstti oh, ok chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. note to anybody that might be listening: nstti does not work on redhat7.3 (python2.2 rpm) ... hmmmm submit a bug ;) ... after spending a good few hours ... ... there's problems with the refresh... still narrowing it down what is nstti? nstti-0.3 a text ui thing? yep better or worse than curses? it's a further abstraction of curses. it's what gontran was looking at tested on debian 3.0 and it's fine !! both python2.1 and python2.2 Action: filc is pissed off and knackered... ummm, cause debian rocks man ;) market share - market share is it a good thing you have deadcat around for testing though no developers here uses it ;) if gnue is going to be for big corps then it needs to run on deadcat since that's where the support contracts are hmmm, my clients must be special then ;) I know I'd have trouble trying to convince my boss Action: chillywilly hands filc a cluebat for the boss ;) tired ... going to bed... see ya laters night Nick change: filc -> filc_bed night sshack_lap (~sshack@h24-70-202-72.gv.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello. lo hi ra3vat__ (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) derek isn't around, is he? Maniac (~User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcBookstore (~jcater@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Read error 11:30 (Client is too darned tired)" sshack_lap: er, nope Sorry I haven't been around. I do mean to get involved, i've just had other priorities. excuses ;) Damn right! --- Mon Sep 16 2002