dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. there he is ;) ajmitch: you awake? I fixed it this regexp works: r'//.*' must be in DOTALL mode already tkenizes thkitchensink.odl properly :) tokenizes w00t I realized it was matching newlines when I would get errors whe having more then on line of comments Action: chillywilly was testing it interactively and with thekitchensink.odl oh well off to bed....tomorrow will be time to write the parser :) chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left #gnuenterprise. Action: dneighbo is away: bed reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat__ (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. sacha (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-96-147.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. morning Action: siesel hates untested patches :( found on www.reportlab.com: "pyRXP, our XML parser, is under the GNU General Public License. This is because the RXP parser underneath it is under this license. If you want to use pyRXP in a closed source project, you have to negotiate with us." what does this mean? "negotiate"? They can change the license of the underlaying RXP parser or what? two licenses required: "you need to obtain a separate license from us and also from University of Edinburgh; email info@reportlab.com for more information." bye sacha (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" siesel (jan@dial-213-168-96-147.netcologne.de) left irc: "*monkey grin*" Nick change: filc_bed -> filc btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi JohannesV (~jve@M691P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: "Client Exiting" ninja (~rossg@ip-195-149-26-1.nildram.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-194-8-209-13.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) siesel: you still here if pyRXP and RXP are both the 'property' of University of Edinburgh/Reportlab (i.e. they have copyright) then yes they can negotiate for example say i wrote (and own copyright) of libDekeFoo and then a build a tool called DekeToolFoo that uses libDekeFoo and i release both under the GPL i could state if you want to use in prop solutions contact me and we can work something out if it were libSieselFoo and DekeToolFoo SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-15.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. unless we both agree to some terms it is a GPL violation Action: siesel understands, and hopes that FSF will never change its copyright policy ;) Nick change: SachaS -> SachaS_away jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (~rossg@ip-195-149-26-1.nildram.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection sshack_lap (~sshack@h24-70-202-72.gv.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: Is there a way to create a report out of a forms trigger? siesel: at the moment: sys.execute() in the near future (tm): we need a runreport method ok. fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. btw. at the moment reports seems to be broken, is that right or did I just call it wrong? derek (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. um I'm using reports in production now but I'm using the merge feature so I suppose other parts could be broken reports == cvs head reports btami mentioned something about reports not working right recently so could be It breaks in GRLayout.py in the line File "/home/jan/Projects/gnue/gnue/reports/src/GRLayout.py", line 406, in process DB000: mapper.sectionMap[self.name].clearSummaries() DB000: KeyError hrm is this running a sample report? or a custom report? foobulation/monthly The funny thing is, that if I comment that line out, it seems to work. siesel : remember with all that is going on in jasons life he is a couple donuts short of a glazed dozen as of late ;) ninja (~rossg@rossg.dial.nildram.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. perlhead (~fheinz@ADSL-200-59-86-69.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello derek (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. Hi Arturas hi Jan :) derek (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dood we have ninjas in this channel, now how cool is that ;) any objections to using curses.panel module, seems to work better than some of the hacks in nstti StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-69.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi filc: curses.panel? jcater: http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-curses.panel.html jcater: might be a good way to do add pages support um curses.panel doesn't appear to be in Python 2.0 Action: jcater is trying to figure out how recent this is ok that was introduced in Python 2.1 when we started doing the NSTTI support, there was no curses.panel I'm ok with converting to curses.panel, though we just state that to use Curses interfacem, you must have python 2.1 installed cool... do you have a later version of nstti somewhere? I'm working off the nstti-0.3 version GNUe branched from the latest version we have is at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/snapshots/nstti/ I'm not sure which you are looking at siesel: you here? excellent... that's what I'm looking for here we are looking at doing a release of several of the tools by the end of the week do you think appserver is ready for a next point-release? or should we not include appserver in this batch of releases? Action: jcater is trying to plan ahead I think you've made a lot of progress since 0.0.1, but I'm not sure where you stand hmmm, I'm checking reports will probably only go up to 0.0.2 (not 0.1.0) I've done a lot of stability fixes in reports, but nothing truly groundbreaking the next step for appserver would be 0.0.2 but some features mentioned in the ROADMAP for 0.0.2 are not ready ok Action: jcater thought we mainly did roadmaps for 0.x.0 releases, not 0.x.x releases I could be wrong though i.e., you have a set of goals for 0.1.0 and 0.2.0, but 0.0.2 fixes stuff in 0.0.1, and 0.1.1 fixes stuff in 0.1.0 derek? correct the roadmap for 0.0.x releases is not important. well, true dat :) feature releases should be x.x.0 bug releases shoudl be x.x.X or thats how i see it you are WRONG but until you get into minor version numbers i would say its up to you :) 0.0.X releases are feature and bug release (in case of appserver) nickr: wrong in some sense maybe but we are talking GNUe standard not some other standard derek: I'm just being contrary. whats progress without conflict? siesel: well, regardless, the question remains FWIW I don't think that we had much progress in appserver since 0.0.1 do you think you'll want an appserver point release or not? and like all things GNUe it s subject to change :) reinhard: ok i would say pre 0.0.1 it truly doesn't matter to me I'm just asking :) at least not that i am aware of there is little harm in releasing I think appserver should released together with the rest, because there is an important fix in RPC abstraction which should be... as long as SOMETHING has changed I answer first: ok jcater: did I ever sent a scrollbar patch? I can send a new one... siesel: ok, but 0.0.2... is that the final answer? s/sent/sent you/ StyXman: I'm not aware of a scrollbar patch but I could've missed it ok, I'll send it again. acording to the ROADMAP it should be a 0.0.1.5, but I think its easier to change the roadmap :) lol I really don't care... I'm just asking versions should be a 27 digit hyphenated number no pressure what so ever btw. did you look at that gear stuff I commited? nickr: 0.9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9 if there was a fix then i am ok with 0.0.2 no no if somebody can do the necessary work for the release siesel: a little i.e. check that documentation is up to date 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1 update changelog write announcement write NEWS file reinhard: I was going to take responsibility for the release procedures i.e., changelog, announcements, et al nickr: why not md5 check sums? although someone else will need to help with the actual docs derek: THat'd be way cool. wrt if they are out of date or not I will do some appserver code cleanup this week. release = `/dev/random` version: 2542b79651fab56d0ebfff75a0fdf7be well, in case there's any doubt I'll make the official annoucement:L *********** We will be attempting a release of the tools by weeks end. If you are aware of outstanding bugs that are not in DCL, please report them. (Or better yet, send a patch!) *********** ok, you may return to your regularly scheduled ... erm, whatever also if there are any win32 users out here please test the gnue-forms clients we have odd reports of problems that we are having a hard time tracking down so more confirmations of them would help :) hokay what about tehm? tehm? well put him to work too THEM ITS THEM RUN! it's them they're back! giant ants? triffids? radioactive supermen, with highway onramps for arms? more vallium please filc: so, are you going to have our curses support working in time for the weekend release? Action: jcater hides under a rock very very very much doubt it :) still learning python, GNUe, curses and nstti... so probably not jcater: the forms demo works jcater: plus i've still got copyright assignment issues :( nickr: you're on Win32? btw, I like thhe new site much better jcater: yea, at work. Action: jcater falls out of my chair in disbelief I spend most of my time in X though :) so I can safely ignore that there is something malign under it all until the x server acts up or I need to actually work uh, where's your dcl? at that point I use emacs though I found http://www.gnuenterprise.org/packages/dcl.php Abut does not leads me to the real dcl its a plot to get your DCL login info and use it for nefarious things. oh, I found it ElVerdugo (elleonnlan@196.40.75.25) joined #gnuenterprise. hola aloha mr hangman? new nick old one was too long for efnet or mr axe wielder? old one wasw ElLeonBlanco simba? no lol do you all patiently assist stupid newbies? uh, stupid ones are burnes publicly ouch!! :) no, don't take me serious. you'll be wasting time. k ;-) siesel (jan@dial-194-8-209-13.netcologne.de) left irc: "later" do any of you know anything about bayonne? do i need to set up GNU enterprise b4 setting up bayonne? yes, it's a stupid professor in my uni, but I think we're not talking about the same thing... you mean http://www.gnu.org/software/bayonne/bayonne.html? si i have to get an IVR server up and running I don't think you'll need gnue for that.. ivr? interactive voice response ah sound like fun? hu, I don't known a lot about it. i have a feeling this is going to be one of the toughest days of my career you mean prof carrer? no, I guess the toughest will be when you'll start to have *no* carrer... Action: jcater is away: lunch well i got the no career thing when i moved to costa rica Action: filc wonders what a career is... dtm ([3YtE0tQl8@ip55.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jcater: Do you have any stuff more recent than cvs in forms/src/uidrivers/nstti ? jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. filc: nope, that's it :( someone else was working on that but I haven't seen them in quite a while Action: filc starting by converting ScreenContainer to use curses.panel curses programming in python is suspiciously painless. s/in python/ oops I misread that curses its annoying in C Action: jcater thought you said painful painful like blazing hot needles poking your tender bits? er, is there a way to just get the first element returned in a query in SQL? in Oracle you could just do WHERE ROWNUM = 1 but I dunno about other SQL varieties :) in Baan SQL you can just do "as set with 1 rows" ;) "limit 1" should be "PROPER" sql chillywilly (~baumannd@defiant.msoe.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. sup limit 1 works, how do I invert the ordering? order by xxx desc Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-86-69.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all Action: chillywilly smacks nickr with an SQL For Dummies book :) :) select rId from spsTourEvent where rId != NULL order by rId desc limit 1; woo! tee hee for all its worts, sql is a pretty good language. the cool thing about sql is I can teach it to my power users and get them out of my hair when they need custom queries :) Interestingly, sqlite supports unions and such useful. I've tried to do that... it's ok for single table queries... but just watch the queries blow for multitable stuff where they forget to link the tables Action: jcater is back (gone 01:18:35) sqlite consistantly suprises me as to how much power it has in its query engine are you using sqlite w/gnue ? Action: jcater crosses his fingers No darn but I am using it with python The python bindings follow the db spec, though er, the 2.0 db api or whatever luncheon time chillywilly (~baumannd@defiant.msoe.edu) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" chillywilly (~baumannd@defiant.msoe.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. stbain (~stbain@66.207.65.76) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. bye Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Client Exiting" how long does it usually take for a whois entry to update? I registered a domain late last night, but it's not in the whois db yet anybody know? 24 hours? the registrar is not very helpful with that I looked on their site, but can't find anything useful ninja (~rossg@rossg.dial.nildram.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-86-69.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-69.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) wtf? chillywilly (~baumannd@defiant.msoe.edu) left irc: "[BX] Terminated." greetz hi anyone here in the medical profession? Action: stbain listens to the crickets chirp I'm not eeew, crickets I don't even play a doctor on TV Action: jcater tries to step on jamest grrrr.. how do you get vi to autoindent in tabs... Action: jamest notices huge donut filled monster trying to jump on him argh! keep getting: IndentationError: unindent does not match any outer indentation level alias vi emacs LOL parts of this file are tabs, others are spaces... we don't accept code with tabs :) j/k we accept all code (we even let some of jamest's in!) seriously... is there a policy? there's not a policy but tradition dictates 2 spaces but like I said we won't turn away contributions well, as long as they follow our goals Action: jcater should probably qualify that or I'll see patches adding automake support or something Action: filc is pretty much removing SIOControl from nstti color sucks what was SIOControl? Action: jcater forgets Screen I/O Control.... basically handles any screen printing/color/non-ascii chars It assumed only one window - and that isn't the case with curses.panel sio.py BiznizMan (~none@abn15-200.ist-avrupa-ports.kablonet.net.tr) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all I am trying to be a beginner in GNUe & got stuck before I even started i opened GNUe-Common-0.3.0.tar.gz i gave the command ./setup.py install i get following error message: (i hope flood boot is not on) Traceback (innermost last): File "./setup.py", line 27, in ? from src import VERSION File "./src/__init__.py", line 106 text += "%s\n" % strings[:index] ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax where did I go wrong? what version of python are you running? python -V let me see 1 mom now thats interesting. my python replies 1.5.2! you need to be running python 2 do you think that's the reason for the message yep filc; do you know what the latest version of pyton there is? acc to phyton.org it's 2.2.1 yep... that's the latest ...My cobalt raq (supposedly) has done an update with version 3.0.5? dunno thanks a lot i will do the python update. bye thaks again np BiznizMan (~none@abn15-200.ist-avrupa-ports.kablonet.net.tr) left #gnuenterprise. ElVerdugo: check out http://www.voicetronix.com/ they have some IVR information (bayonne + others) and some kit that works in linux/bsd. aprono (~aprono@ADSL-200-59-86-69.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-88-109.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: will you do some more work on designer before release? siesel: a little at a minimum, I'm moving schema.parser into common.schema plus of course bugfixes i.e. I don't need to send some obvious bug reports to dcl ? um it couldn't hurt as I haven't sat down to test designer yet so having a known bug list will give me an idea of how much time I need to set aside jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. ok, I'll write it down. jcater: just wondering about the patch for setup-cvs.py I sent to info@gnue.org ninja (~rossg@rossg.dial.nildram.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm oh, the docbook autogeneration? no, lemme look at that yep derek (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ok... can you tell me what needs to be done ok... the AMA... they sux0rs filc: several comments from backlog derek: ??? siesel (jan@dial-213-168-88-109.netcologne.de) left irc: "brb" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ISOAbuse (4470@modemcable040.51-201-24.que.mc.videotron.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. ISOAbuse (4470@modemcable040.51-201-24.que.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ISOAbuse (4470@modemcable040.51-201-24.que.mc.videotron.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. filc: sigh im swampped will discuss later re: red hat support and your patch to setup.py ok, np dtm (~dtm@ip202.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ISOAbuse (4470@modemcable040.51-201-24.que.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection ISOAbuse (4470@modemcable040.51-201-24.que.mc.videotron.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. hey dtm chillywilly: werd jcater: Thanks... my first patch!!! ElVerdugo: no you dont need GNUe in order to use Bayonne. and you can test Bayonne using only a soundcard and no telephony equipment. filc: re redhat, im not sure what the complaint was, we need packaging for all items if other systems cant package python and such worth a shit thats not something we necessarily need to be tackling ISOAbuse (4470@modemcable040.51-201-24.que.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection thats something users of red hat need to be tackling :) as to the setup.py patch. i went to commmit it, but there was something i disagreed with (im not recalling what right now) and was going to ask jcater if there was better way to do it and achieve similar result Action: derek isnt sure who i sent paper work to right off bat (esands or filc) but we need to get contributors DCL accounts and start routing items through there instead of info@gnue.org so you can get real time status of it specifically we really need dcl email gateway back up Action: filc has paper work... signed my bit, need to get my boss to sign his. It's in his intray. Shouldn't be an issue Action: derek will prod jcater on it later to see where its at ( i think i set up the necessary temp directories and such) but i think the email aliases and the perl code needs be implemented those are there already iirc it was just a temp directory issue filc: on your setup.py i think that you were checking for docbook or something yep checking for db2html in the path and i dont think we should require that to build derek: I applied that patch a. one need not be requried to build docs to use/devel software all it does is check if db2html exists if it does, it asks if you want to install docs I modified it to default to "N" as it takes a while ok cool wicked!!! I would prefer to have a script in the docbook directory that built all docs and just point the user there if they want it isntead of setup-cvs.py but until then that was my concern was that it seemed mandatory and i was busy so didnt have time to alter this works for the time being jcater: i agree and was my thought, i fgured it could be automake based to let nickr and jbailey get their jollies ;) Action: jcater thwaps derek around but for docs I don't care jcater: did stan send you email about forms-support@gnuenterprise.org bouncing? erm if he did I filed it in file 13 it might have been a temp dir issue (i didnt investigate), but while fixing attachment support the other day to post VL patches i fixed the temp dir (not intentionally of course) ===== >This is the Postfix program at host ash.gnuenterprise.org.>>I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned>below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.>>For further assistance, please send mail to >>If you do so, please include this problem report. You can>delete your own text from the message returned below.>> The Postfix program>>: Command died looks like we might need to get perl stuff from CPAN or something i will forward you stans email er i will make a dcl ticket for it :) sigh, damn tickets!!!! um when was his email dated? dtm (~dtm@ip202.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) ph34r my m4d c0d1ing sk1llz! jcater: sorry about the bug... forgot to set willInstallDocs to 0 uh...yea Nick change: filc -> filc_football sept 15th, 14:10 CDT reinhard (~rm@M704P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There are two types of people: those who divide people into two types, and those who don't" ah, but there are 10 types of people those who understand binary and those who don't ;) dtm (~dtm@ip238.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wb dtm Chipaca (~john@200.59.86.69) joined #gnuenterprise. Chipaca (~john@200.59.86.69) left #gnuenterprise. Chipaca (~john@200.59.86.69) joined #gnuenterprise. ISOAbuse (4470@modemcable040.51-201-24.que.mc.videotron.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: you here? ISOAbuse (4470@modemcable040.51-201-24.que.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection Chipaca: yeah grrr derek: if you want me to use DCL, then you need to address my recent work order for DCL :) ISOAbuse (4470@modemcable040.51-201-24.que.mc.videotron.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: may I point you to the irc log from 25Jun2002 ? ISOAbuse (4470@modemcable040.51-201-24.que.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jcater: where you say, and I quote or well I don't quote, look it up jcater: I'm out of town for a week moving a house. So I'm commit this acclite patchs when I get back and test them a little further stbain (~stbain@66.207.65.76) left irc: "Ni!" but basically you said that table="table1, table2" was ok with you you preferred a more complex syntax but you agreed it could wait dtm (~dtm@ip238.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) gnue-public.log.25Jun2002, lines 675-681 Action: Chipaca loves grep it was table1.field, table2.field that I am concerned about Action: jcater is well aware of the table1,table2 thing ah I'm not saying that's bad only we didn't discuss that and I wonder if that's the cleanest solution I'm not sure yet but you're already using table.field elsewhere as that complicates other parts of the code I am? dtm (~dtm@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. err sorry, my mistake we were using it in foreign_key but thank gawd, we got rid of that :) aprono here says you're using datasource.field (i don't know what was there before his multitable patch) ah and we're using datasource.table.field for multi-table things ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" but the old syntax still works, i.e. if your datasource is only one table, everything works as before jcater: i didnt get email for new DCL something, did you assign to me? no, mdean I didn't know if it was out of your "skillset" or not :) derek: in a nutshell DCL will redirect you to a login screen if you are not logged in and you type a URL directly as it should do but it doesn't remember what refered it to the log in page so it goes directly to the home page I think DCL should remember the referer and redirect you there after the login as I get these ticket notices via email click on the included link it redirects me to a login I log in it takes me to the main page and I have to wade thru my tickets/screens finding the ticket I wanted to view sigh this one pisses people here off too I know... I'm being anal so consider it done :) but that's very annoying no you are being practical i think it should be as easy as grabbing referrer saving then after login going to referrer siesel (jan@dial-213-168-95-14.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. his siesel er, hi bye chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" Nick change: filc_football -> filc_lost Nick change: filc_lost -> filc perlhead (~fheinz@ADSL-200-59-86-69.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" aprono (~aprono@ADSL-200-59-86-69.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" siesel (jan@dial-213-168-95-14.netcologne.de) left irc: "night" derek: I just don't understand these DCL issues jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-106-82.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. the attachments are being saved to /var/tmp/dcl/tmp/ but they aren't showing up on the DCL screens ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port44.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. esands (~nic@mdr1-port69.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. sfb- (mattr@chew.exelus.net) got netsplit. then the perl program is failing ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port44.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. esands (~nic@mdr1-port69.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. sfb- (mattr@chew.exelus.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. damn did they time that? can you run the perl prgram w/o sending email? I dunno I've been sending email i.e. you can, but can you :) er would you as teh bounce stan got had to do with perl dbi stuff ash:/etc/postfix# ./dcl-gateway.pl Name "main::contact_id" used only once: possible typo at ./dcl-gateway.pl line 113. Name "main::status_on" used only once: possible typo at ./dcl-gateway.pl line 110. Name "main::logged_on" used only once: possible typo at ./dcl-gateway.pl line 118. Name "main::started_on" used only once: possible typo at ./dcl-gateway.pl line 120. Name "main::logged_by" used only once: possible typo at ./dcl-gateway.pl line 117. Name "main::body" used only once: possible typo at ./dcl-gateway.pl line 134. Name "main::issue" used only once: possible typo at ./dcl-gateway.pl line 114. grrr Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at ./dcl-gateway.pl line 647. [18:03] Last message repeated 1 time(s). Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at ./dcl-gateway.pl line 187. Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at ./dcl-gateway.pl line 193. No suitable email addresses were found.ash:/etc/postfix# derek: I fixed the bouncing it creates the tickets now just still not the attachments I'm sure those errors above are just from me doing ./dcl-gateway.pl :) it soudns like its not copying the attachment does it 'create' teh attachment? in the ticket? no if I view the ticket via the web interface need to run the perl script with proper params there's no hint that there was an attachment but I see the files in /var/tmp/dcl/tmp/* or debugging turned on what dir is it storing the tmp files in? and what are permissions (though permission ok if tis saving file there /var/tmp/dcl/tmp is what is in configure and i know normal attachments work because i added one yesterday ash:/var/tmp/dcl/tmp# ls -l total 16 drwxrwxr-x 2 nobody nogroup 4096 Sep 16 17:59 msg-1032215941-11573-0 drwxrwxr-x 2 nobody nogroup 4096 Sep 16 17:40 msg-1032216005-11595-0 drwxrwxr-x 2 nobody nogroup 4096 Sep 16 18:02 msg-1032217068-11691-0 drwxrwxr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 16 18:03 msg-1032217390-11732-0 ash:/var/tmp/dcl/tmp# just sent another patch to info@gnue.org to correct gnuenav and grrun to the new versions doh why is one message being saved as root? if I knew that, I'd fix it :) um any chance that when people commit cvs changes they make sure the code is at least almost valid python jamest: no nevah! ok Action: Chipaca grins i've been gone so long I guess I forgot how things work jamest we still have the sed/awk stuff for you patches things to subsititute fer foo in rainja(1:20): daFunksion(foo) to i guess cvs is toast right now? Fucntion(foo) jamest: I think so a few broken patches hah, romanji python and a fscking broken dcl install Action: jcater kicks things Action: jcater looks around for people to kick hmm Arizona is a long walk Action: jamest is reporting live from Abu Da Be jcater: if only we had those devices that electrocute people through their keyboard on demand I'd be dead!! filc: is someone out to get you? Action: filc thinks they will be soon!! I'm not going to bother fixing it tonight....must finish kitchen before I go nuts just had to make some minor changes in the cvs tree before I go get covered in paint l8r better than "must finish nuts before I go kitchen" have fun :) jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-106-82.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. derek (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. grr I give up on DCL's attachments derek: if you read the logs it's yours, baby! :) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "homeward bound" esands (~nic@mdr1-port69.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. sfb- (mattr@chew.exelus.net) got netsplit. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port44.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. 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Knighthawk: im here give me a bit getting my daughter her first debian box its a rite of passage so it might be a few :-D hehe hi ajmitch hello SachaS (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) joined #gnuenterprise. supermutt (~chatzilla@216.235.169.158) joined #gnuenterprise. supermutt (~chatzilla@216.235.169.158) left #gnuenterprise. back Action: dneighbo is back (gone 21:23:52) Knighthawk: so whats up dneighbo: so, did you get tired of her always playing frozen bubble on your pc? ;) heheh actually her and wife share pc i asked her when she started school if her friends had email she came back like three weeks later (this weekend) and said my friend x and y have email can i get email? and my niece keeps instant messaging me looking for brittany so i got her an imap account setup created her an account on wifes pc got sound own theme gaim email etc all setup and she is rocking get this my 4 year old was in tears cause she didnt get debian account and email lol you are brainwashing those poor kids ;) poor children dneighbo: awww heh wow, still a full house heh derek: I pointed Carl at this channel to get info about acclite before he commits to sql-ledger if he commits to sql ledger he needs to be committed ;) hehe, no doubt actually its been a little while it might have gotten better and certainly acclite is far from perfect from what i have been hearing if he just wants quickbooks like prodcut that is a bitch to customize or extend but is solid ui (not web) the small business version of gnucash might meet his needs dneighbo: barbicane just said your moo, gnu thing dring the interview was funny just doing what you and hans asked me to ;P though admittedly i did not know i was supposed to moo Action: LuftHans forgot barbicane was on. Carl said he preferred nola, but his acct and admin prefer sql-ledger because it looks nicer. pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) left irc: Connection timed out pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) joined #gnuenterprise. LuftHans: boy that gives me a warm fuzzy account who prefers pretty formatting over ability to balance the books? Action: dneighbo wonders if this guy is an ex arthur anderson CPA ;) he could still be at AA... sigh, its so horrid to read the plug list and hear these mandrake and redhat users suffer so and then the responses they get in return on how to fix things ex: my gas guage says im almost out of gas what do i do? it was really agravating that I was providing the help there. sure I know the basics of RH, but I don't have one around to verify stuff. IBM annouced shipping redhat a. drain tank. remove tank from car. put tank in pickup truck. take to gas station. fill tank. come back. reinstall tank. I shoulda suggested 'locate httpd.conf', though. sounds painful Action: dneighbo keeps mouth shut as im not getting involved on list that is i must have seen 100 mails in the last 30 days wondering how to auto start daemons and such and i see all these posts (to newbies) about init levels and hand editing init scripts and such and i just want to vomit http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2002-09-15-artists-rights_x.htm rock on dewds! in nearly 5/6 years im not sure i have ever had to edit an init script and i run a BUTT LOAD of daemons anyhow its fun to watch sometimes pretty sad when my 'debian is too hard to use' ex: my nephew got a fresh debian install a few weeks back he called me today 'how do i get gnutella on here' anyone read that link? in about 5 minutes he was apt-getting and running gtk-gnutella i did earlier today Action: ajmitch confesses to having edited initscripts i swear most people that hate debian never got it to work i.e. debian is hard to get X running so they get installed cant X or sound to work woody is a well polished debian IMO and so give up and go around saying debian sucks and that its 'out of date' and old debian is not the easiest beast, but I have fed ppl a steady diet and had good results ;) which blows me away thats what i HATED about redhat and such crazymike is learning a lot is i had to compile most crap by hand cause the packages were slow to come out i can almost always find an unoffical debian mirror of some kind but anyhoo back to work Action: dneighbo starts swearing about subversions not responding..... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr derek: note that the questions are coming because we weren't responsive enough to get him going with debian... :( wtf wow GNUe is blowing away everyone on linuxfund.org;-) really? cool LuftHans: BULLSCHIEST! impressive :) 32311, next is 24200 i was not responsive when i was gone when i got back i called him personally and walked him through debian install next day he called at work and i spent an hour getting X working for him and next day he called and i spent an hour trouble shooting bad hardware for him the thanks i got was 3 days later: ah, ok, didn't know about that. i decided to install mandrake because i used it before and it has better games i was SOOOOOOOOOO livid it wasnt funny heh time waster :-( as i caught MAJOR crap from wife for spending 3 hours on phone with him day i got back time vampire heh well what pisses me off is i said if you need ANYTHING call me and gave him my cellphone and he called the next day on cell phone and i fixed his problem, i dont know how to give any better response than that LuftHans: btw, the one i really have a laugh about right now is the font one I did that with crazymike before....but he's still running debian :) the 3 hour phone call thing not t mention countless hours at his house and via IM but he's virtal serving 2 apache sites and running a phpBB site with one f the virtual hosts I have been ignoring the font thread, though I should read it as I have constant probs with fonts on debian all my font problems went away when i listened to wise old mdean :) hehe I've even pretty well done the equivalent of "apt-get install `apt-cache search font`" what font problems? i.e. shut the friggin xfs server down in XF86Config-4 ah and place font paths in order of your preference and sit back enjoy non jacked fonts :) Action: ajmitch mainly has xft doing the funky aa font stuff I'd have to know the differences to have a preference.... nice website IMO: http://www.inceptionos.org/ I think I have xfs off in most places kaching, it's 2112 :) Action: dneighbo isnt a huge font freak, so as long as its small im cool "geeklog" and the default xfs always gives is some font for the friggin blind 100dpi ;) yeah, I just want it to be legible i hate 100dpi maybe thats my fonts problem ;-) I never bothered looking into it Action: ajmitch looks at the gnue cvs list & sees a number of commits lately nah, you're hillucinating ah, that's just derek adding a bunch of ^M's in :) hmm why do i have forms breakage? sigh, don't have designer until i have a new wxpython build rofl to the ^M's comment ajmitch: i promised a release on WOPN i have to give the listeners what they want, right? bah uh oh Action: dneighbo forages for soda Action: chillywilly has dew ;) Action: ajmitch attempts to rebuild wxpython against python 2.2 Action: jcater has chocolate milk and IBC Root Beer Action: ajmitch has water bah poor uni student yeah jcater: I had an IBC Root Beer with my lunch jcater: what issues did you have with wxpython? Action: jcater <-- poor married fool ajmitch: make sure you comment out the part that compiles OpenGL support it has yet to work for me under linux ok usually, other than that, it works fine heh oooo speaking of wx i was using a source-compiled 2.3.2.1 ajmitch: victim of unstable? they're releasing 2.4 in 2 weeks Action: jcater is excited chillywilly: yup jcater: oooh? ya *finally* we've tried to stay against 2.2 as 2.3 is really unstable API wise but with the 2.4 release yeah we can use lots of new features where'd you see this? that I've been drooling over on their lists they are in a feature freeze ok hopefully they'll push out debs as well for us people LuftHans: so when can i start putting you to work on GNUe? jcater: you see that it works with iPAQ now somewhat too :) once I finish the project that should've been done a couple of weeks ago. and boys and girl^H^H^H^Hguys if you wonder why I'm so excited expect designer 0.5.0 to be much more stable I will be out of town again all of next week. if the project isn't done before I leave he'll probably hunt me down and superglue me to the side of a large building as our designer funkiness is from us really pushing the limits of 2.2 jcater: when can we expect that? ajmitch: Christmas 2003 any news on the iPAQs? ah none :( which means its probably dead in water i dont want to get much more pushy so when can we expect a new set of releases? some time next week i suspect all tools hmmm well we are planning by this weekend so you can probably expect them by october ;) ok Action: ajmitch would like to be able to use designer but seriously, we are aiming for the end of the week Action: dneighbo notes for jcater i said a full few days after expected date instead of a few days before (im getting better i promise) ;) also got a forms problem at the moment ;) ajmitch: we happily accept patches jcater: i can't see what's wrong or donuts ajmitch: what's happening? jcater: you get the dcl gateway grokked? paste a few lines here or /msg ? dneighbo: I gave up emails get posted as tickets just fine but still no attachments hmmm i wish i knew perl the slighest ajmitch: ah i KNOW there is a debug mode (as someone i helped with gateway before used it) yes and he would basically hand run gateway.pl a bug introduced by a patch we committed this weekend with it on and send me the logs grrr Action: jcater puts a call out: please test patches before sending them in Action: dneighbo is certain its something stupid heh ajmitch: lemme patch that ooooo you're using gtk2 how's that working out? Action: dneighbo needs to test that ajmitch: HUGE help call jcater: at the moment, it's not, because i can't test yet :) lol can you give a step by step debian guide? i.e apt-get install xyz and how to call from command line uhhh as im sure we will get baraged with support if we announce we have gtk2 native support the problem is that i'm not using debian packages for the pygtk stuff nor any of gnome2 :) i see python2.2-gtk2 in sid now, we just need native win32 support desparately sigh and where do you propose we pick up some idiot to write that? jcater: are there plans for making designer not dependent on wxpython? :) ajmitch: there were not ajmitch: eventually i think thats a good thing but right now xplatform quickly is most important if good arguments are presented, I might reconsider and i dont consider gtk or qt to really be xplatform jcater: wxpython sucking on debian? w/o a boatload of work I need a better reason than that :( i realise that it'd be a big task as unlike forms designer is HEAVILY dependent on whatever toolkit it is written to that's why we chose wx yeah SachaS (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection i.e., if we abstract designer like we did forms hmm suckage gack then all we end up with is our own custom wx the other plus for wx is we use it for forms heavily too (though not dependent) so its something already in our 'toolbelt' it's ugly :) well, another difference between forms and designer is it's important for forms to run everywhere (curses, win32, gtk, palm, bayonne, etc) yup but I think we can get by with designer requiring some sort of gui I don't think a bayonne-driven designer is too appealing heh although it would be good for the ego of whomever wrote it just before they get locked away Action: jcater speaking into handset "Add bound entry at position 10,10" "Modify property 'width' of new entry to '10'" do you think that wxpython 2.4 & current designer will play nicely together? um sure, if goat raping is 'nice' ajmitch: yes jcater: ok for a while, we were coding against 2.3.2 and i was using 2.3.2 until we (doh!) realized 2.3 was unstable hehe --- Tue Sep 17 2002