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Action: psu is away: investigating bacon sandwich smell ummmmmmmmmm yummy not fair! btw hi psu ajmitch: good point he should have to share oh wait you said not fair Action: psu is back false alarm - just toast I would dcc some, but the crumbs mess up the routers zoot allours! how long would a potato -> woody upgrade take off CD? Action: psu needs to get froz bubble on this PC real soon now the upgrade instructions look fairly simple well, depends on how "hard-core" the pr0n on the cd is (and your tastes of course) Action: jcater gets his coat night all Nick change: jcater -> jcZzzz hmm, guess I should have mentioned the words "Debian GNU/Linux" in there somewhere esands_ (~nic@mdr1-port9.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. esands (~nic@mdr1-port9.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) reinhard (~rm@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-104.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) k0 (~psychot@217.16.64.145) joined #gnuenterprise. esands_ (~nic@mdr1-port9.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) siesel (jan@dial-213-168-97-170.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all k0 (~psychot@217.16.64.145) left #gnuenterprise. dragon (~dragon@pcd244217.netvigator.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo (~lupo@B9689.pppool.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hello lupo hi lupo, hi reinhard hi reinhard, hi siesel :) lupo: siesel, Arturas and me have agreed to take your idea sitting in a tree of a gnue developer meeting K I S S I N G Arturas can join? great Action: derek seems to think the german folks likely havent heard that child's taunt before derek: you're right :) lupo: we talked about meeting at the linux world expo in frankfurt reinhard: that is a possibility can you be here again during the week? yep sorry i have no time to discuss that in detail right now :( can we make thsi more public i.e. open to ANY users/developers of gnue sure i.e. a GNUe gathering at LWE frankfurt well i would say _parts_ of the meeting i thought especially about appserver hacking, but any meeting is welcome i surely prefer a "constructive" talk w/ 4-5 people at least as a part of the "program" we can do an independent hacking meeting as well well you can say no i was merely asking generally i think if you offerred no one would show except those genuinely looking to help code concerning money, i can organize 200-500 Euro lupo: money is no problem for me it's time, i guess :) i've reserved the days end of october now so time shouldn't be a problem, either Action: lupo thinks that if time was really money, i should buy a couple of hours i heard uncle reinhard say he was buying dinner for anyone that showed derek: :) derek: not sure if we want to attract _so_ many people ;) whatever, it is important to gather and to know each other and discuss this or that issue otherwise, jason will have to do all of the work *g* bbl derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" siesel (jan@dial-213-168-97-170.netcologne.de) left irc: "later" lupo (~lupo@B9689.pppool.de) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" dragon (~dragon@pcd244217.netvigator.com) left irc: "[x]chat" Nick change: jcZzzz -> jcater psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi morning g'evening Action: jcater was just reading KC GNUe :) is ash slow, or is it just my dial-up going wonky again? seems ok to me since I needed to go into the non-free side of this PC today anyway, I was going to be a good citizen and do a quick Win32 pre-release test but "Download Estimated time left: 4 hours" doesn't sound too good Oh, it's dropped to 2h 23m now That's a lot better ;-) woohoo I made headquite quote I haven't done that in months Action: jcater has been too busy to be witty, I suppose psu: are you grabbing the -pre1.exe files? if so, I'd just cancel your download Python 2.2 and McMillan 4 aren't playing nicely together grrr Action: jcater thinks I'm better off sticking with Python 2.1 and trying to compile psycopg myself against Python 2.1 the only reason we were upgrading the windows install to Python 2.2 was that psycopg comes precompiled against it :( but, if you are downloading the .zips be my guest :) jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). damn - I was only 1h 49 from the end, too ;-) my, that;s a big KC, isn't it? 38 threads I knew it was large when working on it, but not that big psullivan (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Nick change: psullivan -> psu reinhard_ (~rm@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. filc (~filc@public1-cosh3-3-cust111.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. happy, happy, joy, joy 2 of my woody CDs are b0rked lotsa funky read/seek errors Action: psu fears the boot-up package dependency check maybe I'd better leave it powered up until replacements arrive? siesel (jan@dial-194-8-195-117.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. or should I be ok as long as I'm not stupid enuf to dselect or apt in the meantime? siesel (jan@dial-194-8-195-117.netcologne.de) left irc: "night" hmm not sure psu maybe reboot, fsck, and do a backup I do have a backup of /var/lib/dpkg - could probably restore that or even rebuild apt-sources off the old potato CDs I would only backup what can't be recreated or worth saving to you. or if you have the media a full backup I suspect that leaving the system up until new CDs arrive may be easiest as I haven;t changed anything except the package lists yet ? yeah I don't see much difference there, tho you might go ahead and reboot and fsck.. unless you are scared the machine might not come back up at all fsck in single user its a fresh install? no - potato -> woody (yes, I know I'm late) at the moment, it's the stable potato system it always was as I've done nothing (like invoke apt or dselect) that would make it notice that the packages list is a mix of woody & potato The only thing that's out of my control wrt checking package lists is the boot-up dependencey check hence my extreme paranioa about powering down But if all the power-up check does is say "hey, your packages are screwed, wanna run dselect [y/n]?" then even that's not a problem I just don't want it dselecting/aptgetting w/o asking me hmm you have upgraded already? no - just apt-cdrom add for 5 out of the 7 CDs other 2 are b0rked The other option is to apt-cdrom add the old potato CDs but I'm not sure if old rule of "If in a hole, stop digging" applies ;-) yeah dddd anyway time for bed if anyone has any helpful (not to mention non-scatalogical) suggestions, I'll check log in a.m. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. reinhard_ (~rm@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "If you think there is good in everybody, you haven't met everybody" StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-69.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi you alll Action: StyXman also works on sundays :( jcater: ping? 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I think I should be releasing Forms 0.3.1, Designer 0.3.1, Common 0.3.1, AppServer 0.0.2, Reports 0.0.2, and Navigator 0.0.1 what qualifies as a new major version? well, I would think new features :) the only thing new in forms is the GTK driver this is basically a housecleaning release once I look at it now, designer did undergo vast changes it's probably worthy of a 0.4.0 but I hate to jump it ahead of the rest of them Action: jcater is reviewing common's changelog now if there's more in common than I realize, it might push forms to 0.4.0 hmm i don't think common changed that much New features/changes in version 0.?.?: (??-SEP-2002) o Addition of GNUe Schema support -- an XML-based table and data markup format. o Improved support for master/detail datasources o Added structure for custom authentication agents o Support for netrc -- allows automatic logins so only the schema support is 'major' Mr_You (~car@gso88-217-049.triad.rr.com) got netsplit. 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(??-SEP-2002): o Addition of a native GTK 2 UI driver [alpha] o Improved feedback / error notification o Support for i18n font encodings o Support for passed parameters (runtime variables) o Miscellanous bug fixes go with the gut ;) the gut says donuts but that's irrelevant ;P what is _featuretest? is that appserver's playground / sandbox ? yea just some crack that jan and I put in there Mr_You (~car@gso88-217-049.triad.rr.com) got netsplit. ninja (~rossg@rossg.dial.nildram.co.uk) got netsplit. sfb- (mattr@chew.exelus.net) got netsplit. Isomer (dahoose@port-62-167.jet.net.nz) got netsplit. Maniac (~User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) got netsplit. jcater (~jcater@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) got netsplit. fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) got netsplit. nickr (~panphage@e-64-35-146-236.empnet.net) got netsplit. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) got netsplit. Mr_You (~car@gso88-217-049.triad.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. 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Isomer (dahoose@port-62-167.jet.net.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) returned to #gnuenterprise. fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. sfb- (mattr@chew.exelus.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. nickr (~panphage@e-64-35-146-236.empnet.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. this is what I have for App Server New features/changes in version 0.0.2: (??-SEP-2002) o Improved support for conditions o Initial support for authentication agents o Initial support for triggers o Improvements to the RPC layer o Started work on an ODL (Object definitions) layer o Miscellaneous bug fixes if anyone sees seisel before I do, please direct him to gnue/appserver/NEWS Action: jcater will commit in a moment and see if this is a fair summary of this release afaict that's a fair assessment there's probably more there... but it's getting late and my recall functions are slowly deteriorating ;P sfb- (mattr@chew.exelus.net) got netsplit. 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