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<ajmitch> hi jamest
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<jamest> ni
<jamest> hi
<jamest> i need to sleep
<jamest> l8r
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<derek> yummy
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<Mr_You> congratulations Mr_You yer client just printed out a form with proper placement.
<Mr_You> heh
<Mr_You> looks freaky on the Mac tho.
<Mr_You> night
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<psu> hi jcater
<jcater> morning
Action: psu dcc's jcater some extra donuts for pre-release stress-reduction
<jcater> you have any spair working copies of gnue-tools-0.4.0.exe laying around?
<jcater> I sure could use one :)
<psu> Well, if we could get a quick "installing from source on Win32" document done
<psu> I would say ditch the .exes for the moment 
<psu> and get the release out of the door
Action: psu is frightened how much like dneighbo he can sound sometimes
<psu> i.e. most of our users are on *nix anyway
<jcater> that doesn't sound like dneighbo
<jcater> <dneighbo> You don't really need sleep do you? We need those!
<jcater> :-)
<psu> Actually, we have probably the basis of a Guide to Source Installs on Win32 somewhere in the KCs
<jcater> when I do get the .exes working, they won't have support for interbase/firebird like I thought
Action: jcater thinks that either their win driver is missing a DLL
<jcater> or a interbase/firebird dll is required
Action: jcater forgets which DLL it complains about
<jcater> but I couldn't find reference anywhere on the net to it
<jcater> so I'll worry about that at a later date :)
<psu> jcater: I guess that,  with the whole of google.com as your sources.list, sometimes you can't beat a good .deb
<jcater> lol
Action: jcater wonders how the .debs for gnue are going
<jcater> ajmitch? were you still working on that?
<psu> What about SAP-DB? ISTR that the drivers for those, whilst free, were only WinNT or higher
<jcater> psu: the SAP-DB guys said I should be able to use the Python drivers under any Win32
<psu> I know ajmitch had a rough bit of common 
<jcater> but I can't find how to do that yet
<jcater> (may take a recompile or such
Action: psu would like to clarify that last statement
<jcater> I *really* wishes we could get whatever he has into CVS
<jcater> c/wishes/wish
<jcater> hey, the KC GNUe isn't up yet
<jcater> you know, this ruins my entire Sunday morning schedule?
Action: psu pokes ajmitch - come on, 4:30 am already
<psu> jcater: well, I only sent it to Zack about an hour ago
<jcater> as I wake up right before noon, come read KC GNUe, then go eat lunch
<jcater> now you've thrown my whole day off
<jcater> :-/
Action: jcater will get over it :)
<psu> I can e-mail you the  source if you like, but 
<psu> as you know much better than I 
<psu> reading XML source is not fun
<jcater> how true
Action: psu can type <quote who="Derek Neighbors"> by telekinesis now
<jcater> uggh!
<jcater> mcmillan installer just released a bugfix version a week or so ago
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<nickr> aye
<nickr> stupid DSL
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<btami_> hi
<btami_> jcater?
<nickr> hrm
<btami_> later...
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<nickr> wow, I dig the new site design
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<nickr> yow
<nickr> wtf
<jcater> that wasn't nice
<nickr> its possible to validate things in forms based on data in tables in the datasource, right?
<jcater> short answer: yes
<nickr> long answer: hard, very hard?
<jcater> long answer: I'm not sure exactly what you're after :)
<jcater> gasp!
<jcater> I have windows .exes
<jcater> I *think*
<nickr> :O
<psu> And there will be singing and dancing in the streets tonight...
<nickr> like say the user can select something that may or may not be available by the time they select it
<jcater> is this like Escher for forms?
Action: jcater can't quite parse that last sentence
<nickr> the front is the middle but cheese has no name
<nickr> okay, Bob is designing a form to allow users to select a terminal to reserve
<nickr> so he selects all the unreserved terminals from the database and presents them as a list
<nickr> the user sits there for 20 minutes trying to decide
<nickr> in that amount of time, one of the terminals on his list of available ones has become resolved
<nickr> reserved
<nickr> y'see?
<nickr> Zest!
<jcater> yeah
<nickr> so whats the best way to deal with that sort of situation?
<jcater> have a trigger that is executed when they select their choice
<jcater> and if no longer available
<jcater> say, "your slow ass lost you this seat. try again."
<nickr> and thats not a problem eh
<jcater> not at all
<nickr> beauty.
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<jcater> woohoo!
<jcater> new KC is out
<jcater> so I can get on with my Sunday routine
<jcater> that's a good thing too, as I was getting hungry
<nickr> huzzah
<psu> oh joy, a web form that tells me my DoB is invalid
<psu> for no obvious reason
<jcater> don't you feel so invalidated?
<psu> either the javascript is broken for my browser
<psu> or my parents have been lying to me all these years
<psu> but how the phone company would know that, I've no idea
<Mr_You> I think I found some admin work!! whoo hoo!
<psu> congrats, Mr_You
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<psu> dneighbo was right - web apps suck
<psu> I bet this would work if I was using a non-GNU/Linux browser
<Mr_You> just curious, with GNUe how would you go about restricting data to the user?  in other words, I only want a customer to have access to his information, not all customers ;-)
<nickr> I'd just like to say taht sqlite rocks.
<Mr_You> cool nick
<psu> Mr_You: Usually someone says "role-based access control"
<psu> at this point of the discussion, so I thought today it might as well be me
<nickr> RBAC!
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<Mr_You> ok, so nothing is implemented at the moment?
<psu> RBAC is on the "To Do" list for Naviagtor
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<psu> which I believe the papo boys are looking at 
<psu> either doing 
<psu> or doing something similar
<psu> as they need it RSN
<nickr> it strikes me that rbac needs pervasive support, not just in the client side :)
<psu> In the meantime, as of today, if the number of users isn't too bad
<psu> and your underlying d/b supports it
<psu> just use seperate d/b logins and views on the transaction tables
<Mr_You> yah
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<psu> Anyway, I'm going to have to go and try another PC's browser 
<Mr_You> for me, it comes down to restricting data based on IP address.
<psu> and see if that thinks my birth date is invalid too
<psu> Mr_You: sounds like a trigger that adds "and IP_addr in select allowed from security_table"
<Mr_You> or domain name
<psu> to the end of each query
<Mr_You> ahh
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<nickr> easy to bypass if the db doesn't prevent you itself.
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<Mr_You> http://iris.lcs.mit.edu/ <=- man I hope something good comes from this SOON ;-)  IRIS: Infrastructure for Resilient Internet Systems
<nickr> hah!
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<reinhard> rofl
<reinhard> did anybody see the gnue-info mail?
<reinhard> Q: " Would you like to Lose Your Accent ? " 
<reinhard> - DO YOU FIND OTHERS HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO CONVEY?
<reinhard> - DO YOU FIND THE NEED TO REPEAT YOURSELF FOR OTHERS TO UNDERSTAND YOU CLEARLY?
<reinhard> - DO YOU FEEL EMBARRASSED OR LESS CONFIDENT WHEN TALKING TO WORK COLLEAGUES?
<reinhard> - DO YOU WISH TO COMMUNICATE YOUR THOUGHTS MORE EFFECTIVELY?
<reinhard> - DOES YOUR FOREIGN ACCENT SIMPLY GET IN THE WAY?
<jcater> lol
<reinhard> wouldn't that be something for our developers from southern us?
<jcater> hrm
<jcater> so, what are you trying to say?
Action: jcater thinks I'm the only developer from Southern US to frequent here
<reinhard> jcater: yes?
Action: reinhard isn't good in geography
<reinhard> but i would have counted arizona to the southern part of the us, too
<jcater> ah
<jcater> well
<jcater> the US people suck at geography
<reinhard> lol
<jcater> Southern US is typically the "Old South"
<jcater> defined by the civil war
<reinhard> ah ok
<jcater> so we consider Arizona to be "Western"
<jcater> go figure :)
<reinhard> so i do not only suck at geography
<reinhard> but also at history
<reinhard> :)
<jcater> well, Civil War + Expansionism
<jcater> Arizona was part of a series of "West" acquisitions by the US
<jcater> if you drew a line, though, I suppose Arizona should be "Southern"
<jcater> the US is just plain weird :)
<reinhard> :)
<reinhard> good night all
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<jcater> gah!
<jcater> Intro.gfd works in windows again
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<nickr> er, salts. Yea.
<nickr> you can run gnue with like wxCarbon can't you?
<dtm> ajmitch: hey you use Galeon, dont you?
<dtm> hi everybody
<dtm> ajmitch: i just found out i work with the guy who added mouse gesturing to Galeon
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<nickr> there is mouse gesutring in galeon?
<dtm> nickr: yessar
<dtm> i have seen it!
<nickr> howsitwork?
<nickr> maybe I need to upgrade
<jcater> if you go to disney.com
<jcater> flip it off
<jcater> then Mickey appears
<jcater> pretty cool, eh?
<jcater> (or is that another gestering?
<nickr> hehe
<nickr> forms should have gesture support
<jcater> thumps-up --> commit
<jcater> thumbs-down --> rollback
<jcater> balled fist --> start up Bug Tracker
<jcater> middle finger --> Install a competitor's product
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<jcater> ooooo
<jcater> and voice-recognition
<jcater> every time you curse after using GNUe
<jcater> it puts money in our GNUe fund
<nickr> hehe
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<dtm> jcater: HAHAHA
<dtm> that rewlsz
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<ajmitch> greetings all
<Mr_You> hi
<jcater> ajmitch: how goes the debs?
<ajmitch> debs?
<ajmitch> they're getting there
<ajmitch> must update to latest pre & package the tools properly
<jcater> forget the pres
Action: jcater just uploaded final
<ajmitch> ah
<ajmitch> nice
Action: ajmitch must work quickly, for great justice!
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<ajmitch> hi rdean
<rdean> hi
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<ajmitch> hi derek
<derek> hi
<nickr> DEREK
<nickr> ITS BEEN SO LONG
<nickr> snubbed.
<jcater> grrr
<jcater> why is it sometimes having #!/bin/sh at the top of a script
<jcater> results in a Bad interpretor?
<jcater> yet I can go run another existing script with it, and it works fine
<jcater> am I missing something obvious?
<nickr> must be
<derek> you using deodorant?
<derek> cause something smells might fishy ;)
<nickr> stinker
<derek> anyone know of a decent cd management application
<derek> i tried kmusicdb and it looked ok, but the package doesnt install the db
<derek> i try to make the application do it and it creates the db
<derek> but none of the tables
<derek> and i cant seem to find docs or the table creation scripts to do it manually
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<ajmitch> hello chillywilly
<chillywilly> hello ajmitch
<ajmitch> impressive, kernel panic on bootup
<chillywilly> Hurd?
<ajmitch> linux 
<chillywilly> oh
<derek> hmmm found a sample.db maybe that will work
<chillywilly> that stinks
<ajmitch> fsck sig11'ed
Action: derek needs to know how to friggin do debian packages
<ajmitch> and then kernel went down hard
<derek> so i could make this part of the package and give back
Action: chillywilly needs to learn too
Action: ajmitch needs to learn
<chillywilly> heh
Action: ajmitch thinks this computer could be slightly dead
<chillywilly> you already know man ;)
Action: chillywilly doesn't want to go to work tomorrow
<ajmitch> then don't
<chillywilly> HEH
<chillywilly> I could only wish it was that easy
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<jcater> can I have a volunteer?
<jcater> anyone?
[22:35] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
<ajmitch> jcater: what for?
<chillywilly> nope
<jcater> volunteer first
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<jcater> then I'll tell you :)
<chillywilly> uh, no
<chillywilly> tell first, then someone might think about it
<chillywilly> ;)
<jcater> in 1:30, can someone(s) (with broadband preferrably) grab http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/prereleases/GNUe-Tools-0.4.0-bin.tgz
<jcater> scp is going slowly
<jcater> that is a binary image of our tools
<jcater> w/all dependencies
<ajmitch> hmm
<ajmitch> sounds mildly evil
Action: chillywilly grabs it
<jcater> ala the OpenOffice setup program
<jcater> chillywilly: I still have 00:45 ETA
<jcater> :30
<chillywilly> good gosh
<chillywilly> minutes?!?
<jcater> :20
<jcater> :10
<jcater> chillywilly: yeah, 30 minutes
<jcater> I just tarred up /
<jcater> think that'll work?
<ajmitch> come on....
<jcater> ok
<chillywilly> i have 28 secs
<chillywilly> left
<jcater> it's uploaded
<chillywilly> 19
<chillywilly> oh
<chillywilly> er, so why did yo want someone to dl it?
<jcater> to install it
<jcater> and test it
<chillywilly> what's in "tools"?
<jcater> well, that contains Designer, Forms, and Navigator
Action: jcater didn't want to fsck w/Reports at the moment
<chillywilly> ok
<jcater> and AppServer would have to be separate
<jcater> as it's a service
<derek> jcater: how hard is it to 'uninstall'
<derek> is this a tool for windows and linux?
<jcater> derek: rm -rf /usr/local/gnue/ /usr/local/bin/gnue-*
<derek> and is it from openoffice installer
<jcater> derek: no
<derek> or 'like' openoffice
<jcater> that's for Linux
<derek> hmmm
<derek> you realize IF this works
<derek> we can have debs in like 10 minutes probably
<jcater> derek: "like" as in "single thing to download"
<jcater> btw
<jcater> the Windows installers are up
<chillywilly> uh, the tarball is bad
<derek> same way flash and openoffice debs work
<jcater> this time around
<derek> i.e. just put binaries in place and make menu entries
<derek> and they will be just in unofficial debian :)
<jcater> there's a single Windows installer
<chillywilly> unexpected EOF...er, but you're not fone are you?!?
<derek> until someone (evil stares nickr/ajmitch) gets them done :)
<chillywilly> erm, done
Action: ajmitch cries
Action: chillywilly consoles ajmitch
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> she's working for me
<chillywilly> poor kid
Action: jcater wonders if youstarted too soon>
<jcater> ?
<jcater> is anyone else downloading it?
<jcater> if this works
<chillywilly> I am restarting the dl via gtm
<jcater> then it was totally worth the frustrations with the conversion to McMillan 5
<jcater> well, I say "if it works"
<jcater> it's working fine for me
<derek> i will try in 5 minutes
<chillywilly> it should be done in 40 secs or so
<chillywilly> hmmm, I still can't unpack it
<chillywilly> danielb@obfuscation:~/archives$ tar zxvf GNUe-Tools-0.4.0-bin.tgz 
<chillywilly> GNUe-Tools-0.4.0/
<chillywilly> GNUe-Tools-0.4.0/GNUe-Tools-0.4.0.data
<chillywilly> gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
<chillywilly> tar: Unexpected EOF in archive
[22:45] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
<chillywilly> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
<ajmitch> poor chillywilly :)
<chillywilly> ajmitch: have you tried?
<ajmitch> downloading now
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> maybe I should reupload first
<chillywilly> brb
Action: jcater is re-uploading
<ajmitch> jcater: bad!
<ajmitch> jcater: chillywilly probably broke his download by rushing it
<jcater> ok, reuploaded
Action: jcater smacks chillywilly's hands
Action: ajmitch untarred it fine
<ajmitch> why must i be root?
<jcater> because root is da bomb
Action: ajmitch has /usr/local writable by the staff group which i am a member of :)
<jcater> oh
<jcater> you could comment out that line then :)
<jcater> is there an easy test to do in a script
<jcater> to see if a user has write access to a location
<jcater> ?
<chillywilly> well I dl it twice dagnabit
<ajmitch> chillywilly: you broke it! :)
<chillywilly> what more do you want from me?!?
<chillywilly> nope
<ajmitch> bypass your proxy?
<chillywilly> you looked at it fnny
<chillywilly> it's your fault
<chillywilly> I am not running any proxy
<ajmitch> then you're screwed ;)
<chillywilly> I dun think so
<chillywilly> you test it ajmitch I am going to go watch the packers post game show :)
Action: ajmitch doesn't want to write into /usr/local/gnue since that's where the cvs copy has put stuff
<derek>  /msg jcater think i should remove that if (user == chillywilly): mangle_download = true script from apache?
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> there see now it unpacks
<ajmitch> good, chillywilly
<ajmitch> now get ti working & test it
<chillywilly> ajmitch: don't make me hurt you
<derek> ok url to damaage?
<ajmitch> you couldn't if you tried, chillywilly
<chillywilly> yea, it's east to talk crap when you're on the opposite end of the planet
<chillywilly> easy
<ajmitch> yup, which is why i find it so easy to ignore what you spew out :)
<chillywilly> woops, I have no wxpython
<ajmitch> chillywilly: i have it
<derek> jcater you still around?
<ajmitch> chillywilly: i rebuilt against python 2.2, it's in my normal apt repository
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> cool
<chillywilly> I ahve your repo in my sources line
<chillywilly> er, have
<chillywilly> hmmm, when did you upload it?
<ajmitch> a week or two ago
<jcater> derek: ja
<chillywilly> libwxgtk2.2-python?
<jcater> chillywilly: did it not work?
<ajmitch> chillywilly: yes
<ajmitch> jcater: depends if it sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH
<chillywilly> jcater: umm, wxpython has been gone in sid for a while
<jcater> it should
<jcater> this should be self-contained
<chillywilly> hrrrm
<jcater> wx + Python + mysql drivers + pgsql drivers
<jcater> all self-contained
<jcater> did it not work?
<jcater> :-/
<chillywilly> fails to open the .so for wxgtk
Action: jcater smacks the libwx maintainer around a fiew times
<chillywilly> ajmitch says he has it packaged but I can't pull it
<ajmitch> chillywilly: i have it installed
<jcater> what error are you getting?
<jcater> libwx_gtk.so?
<chillywilly> yep
<jcater> add /usr/local/gnue/lib to your LD_LIBRARY_PATH
<jcater> and tell me if that helped
<chillywilly> big stack unwind then blah
<chillywilly> ah, ok
<jcater> if so, I'll make the scripts do that automatically
<ajmitch> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk-2.2.so.6
<ajmitch> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk_gl-2.2.so.6
Action: ajmitch has those installed from the package
<chillywilly> now it says it can't find forms
<jcater> ?
<derek> jcater: thats a chillywilly bug report
<chillywilly> danielb@obfuscation:/usr/local/bin$ ./gnue-designer 
<chillywilly> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<chillywilly> DB000:   File "<string>", line 41, in ?
<chillywilly> DB000:   File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/designer/Designer.py", line 90, in __init__
<chillywilly> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/wxPython/wx.py", line 1607, in __init__
<derek> jcater: can you test X
<chillywilly> DB000:   File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/designer/Designer.py", line 105, in OnInit
<chillywilly> DB000:   File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/designer/Designer.py", line 286, in newInstance
<chillywilly> DB000:   File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/FileUtils.py", line 41, in dyn_import
<chillywilly> DB000:   File "iu.py", line 296, in importHook
<chillywilly> DB000: ImportError: No module named gnue.designer.forms
<derek> chillywilly: my kernel doesnt recognize python
<chillywilly> /usr/local/gnue/shared/images/
<derek> jcater: what kernel you running
<derek> chillywilly: i rolled my own an hour ago, nothing works yet
<derek> ;)
<jcater> kernel?
<jcater> 2.4.18 iirc
<derek> rofl
<chillywilly> Linux obfuscation 2.4.19-xfs #1 Tue Sep 10 22:30:57 CDT 2002 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
<derek> read the dialog :)
<chillywilly> ;P
<derek> wasnt asking you what kernel you were running 
<ajmitch> set PYTHON_PATH :)
Action: chillywilly smacks derek around
<chillywilly> to where?
<derek> ah snap
<derek> this over stalled my 0.3.0
<derek> piss piss piss
<chillywilly> just reinstall it
<derek> jcater: does it install samples?
<jcater> don't think so
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/downloads/GNUe-Tools-0.4.0$ gnue-forms ../../demo/myvideo.gfd
<derek> GNUe Forms
<derek> Version 0.4.0
<derek> GNUe Common Version 0.4.0
<derek> Error: Unable to load any valid UI drivers.  Aborting.
<derek> For help, type:
<derek>    gnue-forms --help
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/downloads/GNUe-Tools-0.4.0$ 
<derek> it no worky
<jcater> piss
<jcater> moan
<chillywilly> not working here either
<derek> here is what went with install
<chillywilly> I can't get designer to run
<ajmitch> chillywilly: stop complaining & submit a patch
<chillywilly> but I don't know where to point the PYTHON_PATH
<derek> latitude:/home/dneighbo/downloads/GNUe-Tools-0.4.0# ./setup.sh 
<derek>  
<derek> **************************
<derek> GNU Enterprise Tools 0.4.0
<derek> Binary Installation Script
<derek> **************************
<derek> Installing GNU Enterprise into /usr/local/gnue...
<derek> Symlinks to the following have been placed in /usr/local/bin: 
<derek>     gnue-designer
<derek>     gnue-forms
<derek>     gnue-navigator
<jcater> derek: set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/gnue/lib/
<chillywilly> ajmitch: lick me
<jcater> then run gnue-forms
<ajmitch> chillywilly: might catch something
rdean-away (~rdean@4.64.98.242) left irc: "Client Exiting"
<jcater> and let me know if you still get that error
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> this is all chillywilly's fault
<chillywilly> jcater: nope
<ajmitch> jcater: agreed
<chillywilly> 0:-), I'm innocent
<chillywilly> see the halo?
Action: ajmitch wants to install someplace other that /usr/local/gnue
<ajmitch> chillywilly: nope
Action: jcater assumed you had a big forehead
<chillywilly> too bad ajmitch
<jcater> ajmitch: not gonna happen with this installer
<chillywilly> quit complaining and submit a patch
<chillywilly> :)
<jcater> fsck
[23:22] Last message repeated 7 time(s).
<jcater> the .netrc patch breaks my wget
Action: ajmitch gets same error as chillywilly ;)
<jcater> piss
<jcater> moan
<jcater> piss
<jcater> moan
<ajmitch> DB000: ImportError: No module named gnue.designer.forms
<chillywilly> yeeeep
<chillywilly> it is b0rked
<ajmitch> doesn't look like it's including it properly?
<chillywilly> jcater: I blame you!
<ajmitch> of course i am using a non-standard install ;)
<chillywilly> jcater: <-- this is who I blame!
<jcater> ajmitch: non-standard?
<derek> adding that line fixes for me jcater
<derek> im going to test against postgres now
<chillywilly> jcater: <-- hey donut boy it's *your* fault!!!
<jcater> derek: cool
<chillywilly> :P
<jcater> I added that line to the scripts
<derek> fsck it doesnt shutdown properly though
<derek> grrrrrrrrrrrrr
<jcater> what?
<jcater> ctrl-\ doesn't work?
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> well, I said "ala OpenOffice" didn't I?
<jcater> :)
<derek> i click the door
<derek> to exit and it shut the app down
<derek> but didnt give me back my terminal
<derek> ctrl-c wouldnt either
<chillywilly> woohoo
<chillywilly> that's a feature!
<derek> well we bitch about m$ always crashing programs
<derek> gnue is so darned hardened
<derek> it gives you 10 9's baby
<derek> nothing can kill it ;)
<derek> not even the sysadmin
<chillywilly> killall gnue-forms
<chillywilly> buh-bye
<derek> nope
<chillywilly> kill -9 PID
<derek> gnue-forms isnt an app
<derek> its a python script
<derek> so you ahve to kill python
<chillywilly> k
<derek> er instance of python exectuing the script
<ajmitch> yep
<chillywilly> kill python then ;)
<jcater> we should've based it on "rabbit"
<jcater> so we could "Kill da wabbit"
<jcater> "Kill da wabbit"
<derek> ouch
<derek> DB000:   File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFForm.py", line 210, in findFocus
<derek> DB000:   File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFForm.py", line 204, in findFocus
<derek> DB000: AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'mode'
<derek> /usr/local/gnue/shared/images/
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~$ 
<jcater> wassaat?
<chillywilly> eek
<derek> from gnue-forms
<chillywilly> that looks nice ;)
<jcater> sigh
<derek> from that binary
<jcater> well, maybe another day
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~$ gnue-forms cvs/ue/forms/item_category_maintenance.gfd
<derek> is what i ran
<chillywilly> trying to use an attribute of a nil object
<chillywilly> rock on
<derek> but
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~$ gnue-forms cvs/gnue/forms/samples/intro/intro.gfd    
<derek> works just fine
<chillywilly> hmmmph
Action: derek thinks 0.4.0 broked existing forms or something
<derek> as i had a ton of issues with cvs running anything old
<chillywilly> has the format changed?
<derek> oh did i mention you ahve to kill -9 the darned thing to kill it ;)
<chillywilly> bah, cntrolling terminals are for girls
<chillywilly> real men let gnue take control! ;)
<derek>  /usr/local/gnue/lib/
<derek> is the process that is 'hanging'
<chillywilly> gnue is like the cockroach....it won't die even int he event of a nuclear fallout
<derek> another fun one jcater (just so you really loathe me)
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~$ gnue-designer cvs/ue/forms/item_maintenance.gfd 
<derek> I do not know what to do with a .gfd file!
<derek> /usr/local/gnue/shared/images/
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~$ 
<derek> if designer dont know what to do with a .gfd we are screwed ;)
<ajmitch> lol
<jcater> lol
<jcater> bah
<jcater> I'll set this aside for another day
<chillywilly> it si beddy bye time
<chillywilly> s/si/is/
<jcater> ok
<jcater> then we are officially released
<jcater> hooya!
<ajmitch> eww
Action: ajmitch expects an 0.4.1 release out within 2 weeks :)
<jcater> ?
<ajmitch> once we hunt down lots of bugs & get them fixed
<jcater> sigh
Action: jcater has been in prerelease mode for 7 days now
<ajmitch> derek: still got the designer throwing all fields in one spot bug?
<ajmitch> we know that
<jcater> nope
<jcater> that's fixed
<ajmitch> good
<ajmitch> we'll still find other bugs, don't worry
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> poor jcater
<ajmitch> we have chillywilly to fill out quality bugreports!
<derek> we arent ready
<ajmitch> [ajmitch @ ajmitch gnue] cvs up
<ajmitch> cvs [update aborted]: reading appserver/grpc/GEAS.grpc: Too many levels of symbolic links
<jcater> derek: ?
<ajmitch> why i get this still?
<jcater> ajmitch: never seen that
<chillywilly> ajmitch: you are in crack'
<derek> i tried prelease 3 and it was broked horridly
<chillywilly> s/in/on/
<jcater> derek
<derek> i know 4 was posted 
<jcater> god damn itr
<derek> what prelease are we on?
<jcater> I've been in prerelease mode for 7 days
<jcater> I've released
<ajmitch> jcater: it points to an absolute path of itself :)
<jcater> we did 4
<derek> i would like to install and test a few items first :)
<derek> ok you released
<derek> tahts cool
<derek> we can always do a 0.4.1
<jcater> 4 fixed several things
Action: jcater is running a bookstore w/4
<ajmitch> i don't see 0.4.0 as released, so it's not too late ;)
<jcater> wife has been using it 10 hrs a day for last 2 days
Action: derek thinks jcater is doing this for revenge knowing i committed to being the bastard that volunteered to maintain old releases 
<jcater> :)
<jcater> what's outstanding?
<ajmitch> dunno
<ajmitch> is the short-term plan to get back to new features, or just bugfixing for a couple of weeks?
<derek> meaning as 0.5.0 comes down the shoot i will have to patch 'something' ugly while he laughs and causally says oh yeah forgot that one ;)
<derek> ajmitch: plan is we need a roadmap asap
<ajmitch> derek: agreed
<derek> for at least 3 versions (even if rough)
<derek> i would say 0.4.0 only goest to 0.4.1 for security or grave bugs
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> we need a new wxpython soon, right? :)
Action: ajmitch didn't see 2.4.0
<derek> we need a list for 0.5.0 of what features we want in 0.5.0 and any bugs we hope to squash in 0.5.0 that we know about
<chillywilly> will that break anything?
<derek> and we start going after those things
<chillywilly> wtf
<chillywilly> danielb@danielb@obfuscation:~/src/cvs/gnue$ cvs up
<chillywilly> cipher_encrypt: bad plaintext length 337
<chillywilly> cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
<chillywilly> obfuscation:~/src/cvs/gnue$ cvs up
<chillywilly> cipher_encrypt: bad plaintext length 337
<chillywilly> cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
<chillywilly> woops
<chillywilly> heh, this is lame
<ajmitch> chillywilly: you broke it
<chillywilly> suuuuuure
<jcater> btw, I am releasing tonight
<ajmitch> looks like 2.3.3 was released, not 2.4.0
<jcater> because I probably won't gnue this week
<ajmitch> ok jcater
<chillywilly> hrrmm, I think my key got regenerated a couple days ago
<chillywilly> fsck
<chillywilly> 22nd and the 23rd
<ajmitch> oops, that is _bad_
<chillywilly> -rw-------    1 danielb  danielb       536 Sep 22 22:31 identity
<ajmitch> chillywilly: why would you do that?
<chillywilly> I dunno when I did that
<chillywilly> or why
<chillywilly> I sure don't remember doing it
<ajmitch> maybe you've been h4x0r3d? ;)
<chillywilly> nah, my memory just sucks
<derek> how do you mount a music cd in debian?
<ajmitch> lol
<ajmitch> sorry
<ajmitch> you don't mount music cds
<ajmitch> partly because they don't have a filesystem to mount
<derek> well kmusicdb (and other applications) dont seem to find the damn things
<derek> and so tried to mount
Action: derek doesnt understand the issue
<ajmitch> does kmusicdb look at mudic cds?
<derek> i just want to be able to get cddb info from a darned cd
<derek> and it doesnt appear to work on debian
<ajmitch> works for me with grip
<derek> let me rephrase that
<derek> grip works
<ajmitch> depends on your setup, tho
<derek> but nothing else
<derek> i cant get xmms to play cds
<derek> i cant get other applications like kmusicdb to recognize
Action: ajmitch puts in a music cd & tests
<ajmitch> it might help if i had my drive plugged into the soundcard
<ajmitch> how true, xmms does fail
<derek> it works
<derek> grrr
<derek> you have to be root
<derek> i forgot i had that issue with grip too
<ajmitch> oh
<ajmitch> i had that problem until i fixed permissions ;)
<derek> you know of a good cddb
--- Mon Sep 30 2002