freedb.freedb.org port 888 doesnt seem to work freedb works fine in grip xmms doesn't let you configure it properly yeah works here too freedb.org but not for kmusicdb grrr kmusicdb looks decent just has 'rough' edges i wish i could rip cds faster ;) it's quite painful with this drive oggenc flies at ~5x playback speed, but ripping is 0.7-0.8x hey ajmitch you know what's up with ssh? chillywilly: works for me hmmm, I don't think I iddi change anything then you broke it 151743: ssh: 3.4p1-2 fails to install saying "cipher_encrypt: bad plaintext length 337" that looks old yeah, that bug's from july yep I saw that one a minute ago wow i really like the reporting stuff of kmusicdb so you broke something Action: derek is excited to make it work someday tonight i give up and go to bed Action: derek is away: slumbering Nick change: chillywilly -> cw-zzzZZZ cw-zzzZZZ (danielb@24.167.202.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi psu sir chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. yo mr. ajmitch SachaS (~Sacha@ark.cs.curtin.edu.au) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi Action: chillywilly must sleep now for real Action: chillywilly waits for his ssh key to update on savannah night all nigh Nick change: chillywilly -> cw-zzzZZZ gnue-designer.exe won't start (0.4.0) dunno if I need to reboot Mr_You: This is windoze, so that's always a possibility but IIRC the windows installs are fairly clean (e.g. no registry mucking about) as the aim was to make them network-installable. (Note to our younger readers: the "registry" is sorta like /etc/, except that, to maximise possible risk, it's all one file and binary rather than clear text) and has a massive amount of stuff stored in it :) well, that's no diff from /etc/, really no no /etc is tiny compared to the registry reinhard (~rm@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard hello ajmitch uninstalled and reinstalled and designer and navigator still don't wor. this is with XP asdfasdf (~asdfasdf@adsl-66.218.46.51.dslextreme.com) joined #gnuenterprise. keep it togetha. keep it togetha. argh Action: ajmitch blinks just noticed jason's announcement re new releases ah I will update web site tonight why? ok KC? :) could have done it now if I'd known Well, I need to get the announcement on the front page and update various otther thinsg that are no longer true like version numbers on the status page but gotta go to work now culater psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. paci (~paci@212.94.129.20) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. morning cvs [update aborted]: reading gnue/appserver/grpc/GEAS.grpc: Too many levels of symbolic links i never got this before hmmm JohannesV (~jve@M702P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-184.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. Isomer (dahoose@port-62-167.jet.net.nz) left irc: "Client Exiting" Isomer (dahoose@port-62-167.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (~chatzilla@dial-213-168-88-25.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi Jan hi Ariel Jan, i have a couple of things to send, but i'm actually very busy, as soon as possible as i can gather some free hours, i will finish and send. btami: you should remove ~/gnue/grpc and then run setup-cvs.py again. Possibly you have to delete GEAS.grpc and update cvs too. ariel: great. ok did i missed something? i also cannot cvs GEAS.grpc (too many symbolic links) :( paci (~paci@212.94.129.20) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement)) the symbolic link changed from ~/gnue/grpc->.../gnue/appserver/grpc to ~/gnue/grpc/GEAS.grpc -> .../gnue/appserver/grpc/GEAS.grpc paci (~paci@212.94.129.20) joined #gnuenterprise. because ofa GRServer.grpc which should be in gnue/reports/grpc instead of gnue/appserver/grpc siesel: thanks, it worked Action: siesel should possibly add a more inteligent conversion routinge siesel (~chatzilla@dial-213-168-88-25.netcologne.de) left irc: "l8r" btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: asdfasdf (~asdfasdf@adsl-66.218.46.51.dslextreme.com) left #gnuenterprise. hi all JohannesV (~jve@M702P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" JohannesV (~jve@m702p025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. 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SuSE 8.0 oooo, I don't know about prebuilt binaries for that one jamest: Oh well, that is no problem I am getting the sources, no problem compiling those. Last time I did that though I pulled my hair for not being able to get a compilable and runnable mixture of dependencies and GNUe and other stuff :( stbain (~stbain@66.207.65.76) joined #gnuenterprise. greetz howdy jcater (~jcater@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Ok, SuSE 8. comes with wxGTK 2.2.9 do I need the same version of wxPython or can I go for the latest: 2.3.3.1? Follow up, which version are you ppl using for the development? they need to match Ok for development it all depends I was using 2.2.9 from debian and 2.3.x on win32 I'm not sure what was used to test the last release as I've been out of touch for a few months now there does not seem to be a 2.2.9 version for wxPython Pff funny, the latest 2.2. version mentioned in the changelog on the website is 2.2.5 the latest on sourceforge is 2.2.7 oooo yeah, that was a major pita, some of the distros used a non-released wx Action: Suit remebers why he pulled his hears out the last time he tried to get gnue 0.3.0 working whatever wx you installed then should still work unless things changed we work w/ any 2.2 and up if it worked, dunno I am not at my 'development' machine, don't remember, think I rm-ed the lot ah Well I retrieved some wxGTK/wxPython combo's I'll see what works (for me) I'll try to make notes :-) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "making toys" so is anyone going to try the new Red Hat 8.0? rofl no have you been following the KDE controversy? how they changed the desktop themes in both GNOME and KDE to look alike yes hrmmm... reading a review on it, the reviewer actually says it's a Good Thing [TM] which, to a certain extent, I can see dragon (~dragon@203.218.42.141) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-184.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" dragon (~dragon@203.218.42.141) left irc: "[x]chat" Suit (~alala@dsl-217.195.238-029.inovara-dsl.nl) left #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection I had this revelation GNUe needs to be rewritten in C# clearly, its the wave of the future yeah... portable bytecode why didn't anyone think of this before way to innovate, Microsoft!!! ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. well SEE is pretty neat ... dotgnu can run python, java, c#, ada Nick change: pattieja_ -> pattieja unclean! reinhard (~rm@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "The chance of forgetting something is directly proportional to ... to ... aehm ..." stbain (~stbain@66.207.65.76) left irc: "Client Exiting" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi psu: hi new releases are now suitably announced on front page plus I have re-org'd the directories so we have /downloads/current.php and /downloads/releases.php Action: psu has been using GNU/Linux too long - was expecting tab-complete to work on those At the moment, the current.php still points to a physical current/ dir with copies but I need to give some thought as to how to make this neater Yurik (yrashk@cc6.kh-online.kharkov.org) left irc: "Client Exiting" It might not be so stupid an idea to go all Debian and have a codename for each release set (given that the version numbers are and will be out of sync) Then we could have a symlink for /current/ that just moved Given the nature of this channel, I can imagine code names being from Star Wars rather than Toy Story ;-) If we were being really sophisticated nah this is the Glazed release next time, Chocolate we could use light side of the force names for Tools releases, then Creme filled oooo lemon-filled dark side names for packages and anaikin/vader for the 1.0.0 release that brings everything together ;-) Action: psu is not sure if "glazed" is a good release codename given our release schedule Action: jcater thinks year names would be fine GNUe 2002 etc 2002 = 0.4.0 2003 = 0.4.1 People might assume they only run on the related version of a well-known non-free OS, then ;-) ok, then we'll use Julian dates Well, Sept2002/ is a fairly simple release code name & a valid posix dir name Action: psu is just babbling now or just do like AutoCAD did Release 10 Release 11 Release 12 normally by this point of the conversation, derek says something wise, or at any rate definitive well, then they started w/the whole year thing in 2000 or at least says something heh plus we have things like bayonne and DCL that go w/own release schedules stbain (~stuart@216.12.37.168) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm well if derek is still having his bugs we could call it "premature ejaculation" Action: jcater shuts up now DanielD (~daniel@pD9EB06B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. i couldnt resist a debate on release naming especially when jcater's comment nearly made me pee my pants i like release names but seems silly except for 1.x 2.x 3.x type releases ok I guess if we want to push new people to current releases having a forboding-looking releases/ dir with shedloads of files going all way back to Forms 0.0.1 is probably not too bad but still allows a stable URL for BSD-style links ;) jcater: you here? Action: dneighbo has integrator questions im having to do data loads today due tomorrow and curious if time spent hacking integrator is worth it for me Action: psu will leave site as is for moment, with downloads/current.php and /downloads/releases.php ? ? works for me s/?/unless anyone says anything other than "works for me" ;-) jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection anyone here using gigabit networking stuff? jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: nope, out of my $$$ range there should be hilarious code names for every release so does designer and navigator work for anyone else with XP? dneighbo: roommate has gigabit ethernet on his Titanium G4 we had gigabit ethernet at a couple jobs. dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) joined #gnuenterprise. stbain (~stuart@216.12.37.168) left irc: "Client Exiting" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("nite..."). ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-240-95.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "making toys" siesel (jan@dial-195-14-244-113.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi libwxgtk2.3-python (wxwindows 2.3.3.2) hit debian/sid :) Action: siesel is lucky. finally no need to do a --force-depends to install the old version anymore. and finally a way to use UTF8 in wxpython :) :) /lucky/happy/ so does designer and navigator work for anyone else with XP? I just knows that it doesn't work on 2000. ahh ok least someone knows the funny thing is that forms won't start from the console, but can be started by clicking on a forms file :( form client starts up fine for me I was gonna ask you something about the web client, but I can't recall what it was :) well I gotta run bblm Action: Mr_You & siesel (jan@dial-195-14-244-113.netcologne.de) left irc: "night" drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: cw-zzzZZZ -> chillywilly cool, wxwindows is back! :P feasgar math chillywilly you know I don't speak drunken scottish english plz ;) huz aboots this, ye ken wit am sayn? aye gle mhath :) and how are you this fine night chillywilly? DanielD (~daniel@pD9EB06B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: I am fine and you? good ta cool, my new ssh key works now with cvs :) Action: chillywilly cvs ups gnue why does cvs still want to do something with www dir? danielb@obfuscation:~/src/cvs/gnue$ cvs up cvs server: cannot open directory /cvsroot/gnue/gnue/www: No such file or directory cvs server: skipping directory www rm -rf www/ Action: chillywilly smacks himself hard tnx jcater :) np jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" filc (~filc@public1-cosh3-3-cust111.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hello Copyright assignment forms sent by Airmail today. hi filc hiya. 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DCL!" in drochaid's direction please. no he's doing a project which i think he should consider DCL for first, and then he's free to choose any other path ;) that is clearly off-topic we NEVER go off-topic chillywilly: ok my bad! :P LOL Action: ddttmm sets fluffy kitties and bunnies in front of drochaid, with the letters "DCL" shaved into their foreheads actually dcl is not off-topic for gnue since it is affiliated with us...so I am wrong, wrong, wrong awwWWWWWWWWW! I suck! chillywilly: hahahahaha !!! jamest_ (~jamest@65.71.168.100) left irc: "[x]chat" chillywilly: what do you suck? errr ... don't answer ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-240-95.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" warm fuzzies he sucks on those flaored wax cones from the drug store s/flaored/flavored/ hell yea the rainbow colored ones and i suck on wax lips alsfjklajd once you go wax you never go back uhm okaaay mmMMmmmm WAXY!!! lol ;P yeah that stuff's fun once every 3 years or so ;> ATTENTION anyone who's interested in discussing CRM, project management, and client management GET IN #dcl RIGHT NOW and at least idle. can I idle in there? I'm trying to idle ... but people keep talking to me :'( drochaid: sssshhhhh sorry hahhaha Action: ddttmm hushes chillywilly: gnue has xmlrpc client/server support, right? yes the appserver does Action: drochaid is away: not ere hello Action: chillywilly is back (gone 02:48:17) Action: Mr_You & jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Mr_You (~car@24.88.217.49) left irc: "Leaving" ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port27.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port27.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) left irc: Connection timed out pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) joined #gnuenterprise. paci (~paci@212.94.129.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 14400 seconds drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. --- Tue Oct 1 2002