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<psu> hi 
<ajmitch> hi psu
<psu> when derek wakes, remind him to change the topic
<chillywilly> this topic nazi stuff is VERY lame
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<ajmitch> hehe
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<chillywilly> shit reinhard is awake
<chillywilly> this means it is definitely past my bed time
<ajmitch> yep
<ajmitch> morning reinhard
<reinhard> hello all
<psu> "reinhard is nature's way of telling americans to go to bed."
<psu> ;-)
<reinhard> lol
<psu> one good thing about free s/w
<psu> you can always tell when it's the 1st of the month 
<psu> as all the mailman servers 
<psu> send you a little reminder
<ajmitch> hehe
Action: psu isn't complaining, the number of lists he subscribes to, he'd never remember all the p/w
<psu> unless I made them all "password"
<ajmitch> psu: what's you opinion on GNUe release cycles? ;)
<ajmitch> s/you/your/
<ajmitch> brb
<psu> I think getting people to shell out for a GNUe t-shirt has proved difficult, 
<psu> so getting them to buy a celebratory branded bike might be a bit much ;-)
<psu> Seriously, we seem to be about quarterly at the moment
<psu> which seems fine to me
<psu> Enough to make releasing a special event
<psu> Not so rare that the project looks dead
<psu> Also, at the moment, release staff == development staff
<psu> so every release is 1-2 weeks out of the devcl cycle
<psu> If we had a dedicated release team, I would say release monthly
<chillywilly> hah, a dedicated release team
<chillywilly> this is free s/w
<chillywilly> there's no such thing ;)
Action: Mr_You would have bought a t-shirt but I need to eat.
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<psu> well, in the dim, distant future, we might be able to get 
<psu> leading GNUe consultancy firms to sponser releases
<psu> "This release is brought to you by the letters Q and X, and Chillywilly Enterprises Inc."
<chillywilly> it's actually Liberty Enterprise Technologies ;)
<chillywilly> get it right ;)
<psu> heh
<chillywilly>  try whois libertyetech.com
<reinhard> re release names
<reinhard> seriously i thought about that, too
<chillywilly> release names?
<reinhard> and as we have some tolkien fans among us i could imagine bilbo, frodo, gandalf et al
<chillywilly> who was talking about release names?
<reinhard> like in debian
<reinhard> yesterday
<reinhard> i read it from the log
<chillywilly> ok
Action: chillywilly is just now reading LOTR
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<chillywilly> although I loved the hobbit
<chillywilly> and FOTR is trning out to be very cool
<chillywilly> hard to put it down
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<rm-away> off to customer
<chillywilly> it's hard to choose between farscape names and tolkien names for computers ;)
<chillywilly> I think farscape is winning though
<chillywilly> I already have 'frell'
<chillywilly> bye rm-away
<chillywilly> night all
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<ajmitch> hmm
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<Arturas> Hello
<ajmitch> hi
<ddttmm> which tool do the hip kids use to configure XF86 on a current debian system?
<ddttmm> XF86 works but i wanna just increase the resolution
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<Arturas> ddttmm: i use vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 :)
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<ddttmm> ajmitch: but do you know how i can try it?
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<btami> hi
<Arturas> Hi Bajusz :)
<btami> hi Arturas
<btami> have you tried released .exe on any win32 ?
<btami> i'v tried on XP an win2k, but both failed without any error msg
<Arturas> no, i haven't yet
<Arturas> i'm trying to implement setup-cvs.py for windows, so i'm planning to try everything then (in a week)
<btami> ok, just curious
<Arturas> but i haven't played with setup.exe versions
<ra3vat_> hello all
<Arturas> hi Dmitry :)
<btami> hi ra3vat
<Arturas> still sleepy? :)
<ra3vat_> hello Arturas
<ra3vat_> hello btami
<ra3vat_> btami: i've tried exe under w98 yesterday
<Arturas> did it work?
<ra3vat_> forms worked
<Arturas> cool
<ra3vat_> designer no
<btami> Arturas: btw. i find "fsutil hardlink create" exist on XP
<btami> but not on win2k
<Arturas> i know :) that's why i'm working on setup-cvs for win :)
<Arturas> i think we can iclude this util in our /common/tools (or how is that folder called)
<Arturas> so it'll work with 2k and XP
<Arturas> however for 9x and NT i have no ideas
<btami> it will work on 2k and XP definitely
<btami> couse it is filesystem related
<btami> ntfs xx version
<Arturas> ntfs 5
<btami> supports only hardlinks
<ra3vat_> Arturas: translation does not work though
<Arturas> ra3vat_: could you give some more details?? :) please :) :)
<Arturas> btami: so called soft links are 'shortcuts' :\ windows...
<ra3vat_> Arturas: i can't, as i spoke about exe under w98 
<Arturas> ah
<Arturas> i don't knwo for sure, but i believe gettext does not exist under windows
<Arturas> maybe it's possible some kind of workaround
<Arturas> but i guess we'll have to use English language only for Windows
<Arturas> (it's only a guess - i have no facts)
<Arturas> ra3vat_: does your translations work (under linux)?
<ra3vat_> yes
<btami> Arturas: i tried pygettext.py on win32 before
<btami> and it worked IIRC
<Arturas> excellent :)
<Arturas> but then i dont know why translations does not work under win
<Arturas> will look at it in a few days
<ra3vat_> source installation and more tests are needed it seems
<btami> it always works for me with CVS fersion of GNUe
<btami> it=translation (hu_HU)
<ra3vat_> i will install from cvs under w98 and test then
<ajmitch> somebody get me a very large gun please
<Arturas> ?
<btami> ??
<ajmitch> trying to get mysql to work nicely
<ra3vat_> ajmitch: aren't gnue's regular trouts large enough? 
<ajmitch> ra3vat_: not for this
<Arturas> ra3vat_: what is 'gnue regular trout' ?
<ajmitch> unless it's a tnt=loaded trout
<ra3vat_> Arturas: ask chillywilly :)
<Arturas> ok :)
<btami> ajmitch: why mysql, may i sugest firebird with kinterbasdb?
<ajmitch> btami: can't
<ajmitch> this isn't gnu i'm playing with
<btami> ok :)
<ajmitch> s/gnu/gnue/
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<lupo> hi
<Arturas> hi
<lupo> i've heard you'll join the meeting in frankfurt?
<ra3vat_> lupo: hi, where to read about the exibition itself?
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<btami> hi lupo, reinhard
<Arturas> hi reinhard :)
<reinhard> ra3vat_: http://www.linuxworldexpo.de
<ra3vat_> reinhard: thanks
<Arturas> lupo: i don't know yet if i can join, but yes, i'm planning so :)
<lupo> ra3vat_: http://www.linuxworldexpo.de/ (should be in english, not sure)
<lupo> Arturas: great :)
<lupo> reinhard: you've read volker's mail?
<ra3vat_> lupo: thanks, again :)
<reinhard> lupo: which one?
<lupo> reinhard: the last, where he said he has no room but a corner
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> i am just trying to get a room in a hotel near the expo
<lupo> i hope that's fine enough for us
<lupo> be warned, frankfurt is not known for small prices
<reinhard> i might be able to find a conference room for about 10 people
<reinhard> at an affordable price
<reinhard> if i find one then we can take that
<reinhard> if i don't find anything then we can come back to volker's corner
<lupo> great
<lupo> jan said network access would be nice
<lupo> anyway
<lupo> if i am present at the right time, i'll try to write a protocol for psu which can then be reused in the next kernel traffic
<lupo> sorry, cousin
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<lupo> huhu
<reinhard> huhuhu
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<Arturas> good morning :)
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<derek> is kde3 in sid yet
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<nickr> NO GOD NO AND AGAIN NO!!!
<Arturas> bye
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<stbain> greetz
<ddttmm> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=41068&cid=4362886  <-- yay, someone mentioned gnue in an enterprise discussion
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<psu>  /topic New releases at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/current.php
<psu> plz
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<dneighbo> hello daniel
<dneighbo> fwiw: windows install is a dream its great
<DanielD> hi
<dneighbo> HOWEVER it is hosed wrt functionality
<dneighbo> drop down box behavior is severely crippled
<dneighbo> i will send bugs as i get a chance
<DanielD> Windows and cvs: could it be that the various images in gnue tree are not checked in as binaries? I see 'keyword substitution: kv' from the log command and I can't really view them.
<dneighbo> yes
<dneighbo> its VERY likely
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<dneighbo> i know we added something to stop addition of *.pyc and ~ files (iirc)
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<siesel> hi
<dneighbo> any postgresql masters here?
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<Chipaca> hi all
<Chipaca> any news wrt the release?
<siesel> hi Chipaca
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Action: ddttmm observes the standing pile of bone and ligament which only seconds ago was a complete living calf squirted with BBQ sauce -- the transition of which chillywilly euphemistically calls "sandwich"
<ddttmm> chillywilly: you mean inhaled like that?
<ddttmm> hehehehhe
<ddttmm> hopefully not *that* fast
<ddttmm> OMG IT'S STILL MOVING
<ddttmm> IT'S GOT *EYES*!!!!!
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<chillywilly> ddttmm: I haven't eaten al day
<chillywilly> ddttmm: so I stopped at culver's
<chillywilly> now I am getting som home made chilly (the food not the bird ;) )
<chillywilly> s/bird/pengnuin/
<drochaid_> if your bird is cold .. give her a cuddle
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<chillywilly> ahem, pen-gnu-in ;)
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<drochaid_> bleh
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<dneighbo> hi jamest
<jamest> hi
<dneighbo> looong time no see
<dneighbo> er talk
<jamest> ya
<dneighbo> hows life
<jamest> well
<jamest> good and bad
<dneighbo> well if jcater asks tell him 'bad'
<jamest> good in that I have my health, no one is trying to kill me for my beliefs, I'm well fed, etc, etc
<chillywilly> no persecution?
<jamest> bad in that I'm burried in work - bringing it home w/ me tonight 
<chillywilly> hi jamest :)
<dneighbo> as  i thik he is considering getting one ( a life that is ) so we could use the extra negative press
<jamest> ah ok
<jamest> with the bookstore opening I doubt he gets a life anytime soon
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<jamest> :)
<ddttmm> so gnue != life
<chillywilly> heretic!
<chillywilly> thou shalt be smitten
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<dneighbo> shall we 
<dneighbo> a. burn him on a cross
<dneighbo> b. hang him from a tree
<dneighbo> c. stone him to death
<dneighbo> d. off with his head
<dneighbo> e. put him on the rack
<jamest> worse than that...... z. make him support users
<dneighbo> f. put him in the stockades
<dneighbo> g. make him use windows XP
<jamest> dont even go there
<dneighbo> oh oh
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<ajmitch> g! g!
<dneighbo> h. make him admin lusers using windows XP in a mixed network environment
<ajmitch> oooh
<dneighbo> w/ active directory
<ajmitch> it gets better :)
<dneighbo> yeah thats real torture
<dneighbo> jamest you really are bringing good input to the table ;)
<jamest> ooooo
<jamest> ooooooooo
<jamest> how about this
<ajmitch> make him use admin win XP while listening to spice girls
<ajmitch> and while watching infomercials :)
<jamest> call the s.o.b. down and show him a completed application written in access that you want supported on the network or ported into postgresql
<ajmitch> evil
<jamest> only make sure that for the last 6 months you asked how to do it and had him tell you that access wasn't the way to go
<jamest> yeah
<drochaid_> madainn mhath dneighbo, jamest, ajmitch
<jamest> nah, i take it back, that'd be too cruel
<ajmitch> no
<chillywilly> jamest: sounds like Real World(tm) experience talking ;)
<chillywilly> drochaid_: as I told you before none of the ppl here are fluent in drunken scottman, plz speak english ;)
<ajmitch> poor chillywilly
<jamest> its good to be back
<chillywilly> jamest: it's good to see that you have a pulse
<drochaid_> chillywilly: can I point to ajmitch in response to your comment ;P
<chillywilly> drochaid_: um, no ajmitch is a crack addict
<chillywilly> nothing he says is coherent
<drochaid_> ajmitch: ciamar a tha thu?
<ajmitch> fine
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<chillywilly> anyway...
<chillywilly> HEH
<dneighbo> jamest: while you are here you know of a good way to export a table in postgres to csv or tab ?
<chillywilly> guitar tab ;)?
Action: dneighbo needs integrator like yesterday  :)
<chillywilly> waaaaa, waaaaaa, integrator
<dneighbo> chllly you know any place good to get bass tabs for guitars
<chillywilly> ummmm
<chillywilly> nope
<dneighbo> how hard is it to make kde3 work on debian sid?
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<jamest> on sid?
<jamest> http://mypage.bluewin.ch/kde3-debian/
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<dneighbo> yip sid
<jamest> i used that site to pull 3.0.3 into woody and had little to no trouble with it
<chillywilly> dneighbo: what does kmusicdb do?
<dneighbo> manages music collection
<dneighbo> pop a cd in it reads cddb and makes an entry in postgres for you
<dneighbo> then you can add own stuff (even mp3, ogg, etc) and has some cool little reports
<drochaid_> dneighbo: probably far more than you need .. but looked at Netjuke?
<dneighbo> mainly with kids listening to music having to constantly 'see' if im missing cds or not
<dneighbo> and when go to buy cd's want list of what i already have
<dneighbo> we have been buying about  5 cd's a quarter at least
<jamest> a quarter?!?!?!?!
<jamest> you sound like an accountant!
<jamest> :)
<dneighbo> sometimes wife gets etc so want to star cataloging and such
<dneighbo> darn i slipped thats 5/month
<dneighbo> i was going to say 15 a quarter but didnt want to sound like a CPA... sigh i did the math but used the wrong identifier (you have me outed)
<dneighbo> anyhow i like that its in postgres so i can replace OR extend with gnue easily
Action: drochaid_ doesn't think dneighbo is interested in Netjuke
<chillywilly> ja man where's the gnue music db app ;)
<chillywilly> freakin' a
<drochaid_> chillywilly: Netjuke :)
<chillywilly> I expected much more from you
Action: chillywilly doesn't know what netjuke is
<drochaid_> netjuke.sourceforge.whatever
<dneighbo> netjuke is cool for PLAYING music and .ogg/.mp3
<dneighbo> im looking to manage a cd collection though
<drochaid_> dneighbo: ahh .. you're using kthingy for cds as well as mp3/ogg etc?
<chillywilly> gnue! ;)
<chillywilly> ?
<dneighbo> i hadnt planned on using it for mp3/ogg, just stated that you could
<chillywilly> woops
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<dneighbo> i love ogg/gnutella and such but GENERALLY the quality is so bad, its not worth bootlegging
Action: dneighbo buys lots and lots of music
<drochaid_> sod bootlegging .. I rip my cds to ogg
<dneighbo> i generally will get mp3/ogg of stuff though
<chillywilly> you are the RIAA poster boy dneighbo ;)
<dneighbo> yeah all my cd's get ripped to .ogg
<drochaid_> I've probably got less than 20 tracks I don't own on cd
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<chillywilly> http://www.boycott-riaa.org
<dneighbo> not really RIAA poster boy steals music and never buys it
<jcater> wassup!
<chillywilly> uh, no
<dneighbo> i buy about  60 - 100 cd's a year hardly not supporting the record industry
<jamest> blood pressure
Action: drochaid_ thinks he's missing out on the RIAA poster boy thing
<dneighbo> wassup
<drochaid_> jcater: weight
<chillywilly> dneighbo: sorry dewd but as long as you buy it form the largwe media companies yo are supporting them and I think 100/yr is a LOT
<jamest> cholesterol levels
<drochaid_> my IQ
<jcater> drochaid_: no, really
<drochaid_> just from talking here ya know ;)
<chillywilly> sorry that should've been http://www.boycott-riaa.com
<chillywilly> http://www.boycott-riaa.com/facts/facts.php
<chillywilly> 85% of all music is released by 5 major labels (Sony, EMI, UMG, Time Warner, & BMG)
<chillywilly> Federal Trade Commission (FTC Statement) 
<dneighbo> chilly generally i try get stuff from artists to a degree, though admittedly most of my business if through BMG as i get stuff there about  4/cd which i think is fair price for cd new delivered to my door
<jcater> chillywilly: ya, and how many long distance phone companies control 85% of the traffic
<jcater> and how many train companies account for 85%
<jcater> in magazine fundraising, one company (QSP) controls 85%
<dneighbo> my problem with the record labels isnt that there are only 5
<dneighbo> its that they want to break the rules of copyright (fairuse)
<chillywilly> the number is not the point
<chillywilly> yep
<jcater> oooo, and how much of the market does Coke and Pepsi control
<chillywilly> becase they have the power to do so
<jcater> because they have the power to?
<jcater> or because people give them the power to?
<dneighbo> i  dont really mind them trying to kill napster, napster was breaking the law
<jcater> they are just an association :)
<chillywilly> wll when they start buying the laws they want in order to line their pcokets then you have a different thing altogether
<dneighbo> i have a problem with them pass DMCA and DRM legislation as that breaks the law the other way (i.e. they kill the rules of copyright)
<dneighbo> imm not pro RIAA
<dneighbo> really its the artists that should be the most vocal
<dneighbo> if i like band X, im not going to not buy their stuff because they are on a label
<dneighbo> as that doesnt help the artist any 
<chillywilly> one sec
<dneighbo> for a while i tried to say if an artist is on big 5 i will get the .mp3's and buy merchandise instead to support htem, but the quality sucks
<chillywilly> http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2002-09-15-artists-rights_x.htm
<drochaid_> dneighbo: not that I disagree with anything you say .. but what about the rather high profile case of the artist that was put into liquidation even though the label has made more than $200M from sales of their albums?
<dneighbo> im saying i like music, i wish artists would stand up to the labels
<chillywilly> I think artists should release under Open Audio License ;)
<drochaid_> agreed
<drochaid_> chillywilly: does that exist??
<chillywilly> yes
<chillywilly> EFF fashioned it after the GPL
<chillywilly> you can find it on their site
<drochaid_> any pointers? since I was asking about the very same about a year ago and got blanked
<drochaid_> EFF?
<dneighbo> let me show you an example
<chillywilly> electronic fronteir foundation
<chillywilly> frontier
<dneighbo> who started the free software movement and keeps it going to a large degree?
<dneighbo> users or developers?
<jamest> hippies
<jamest> drug crazed hippies
<dneighbo> thus why should the listeners be on teh front lines of the music woes instead of teh artists? it shoudl be the content providers fighting 
<chillywilly> developers of course and no one disagrees the artists needs to take a stanad and start their own movement ;)
<dneighbo> 98% of the artists DO NOT get it
<chillywilly> the labels aren't needed in the same capacity imho
<chillywilly> and they know this
<dneighbo> in FS 20% of developers get it and 80% of users dont
<chillywilly> thus we get DMCA, SSSCA now CBPDTA or whatever
<dneighbo> in music 95% of the arists dont get it, 75% of the listeners do
<dneighbo> you are fighting the label AND the producer of the content
<chillywilly> it's their last attempt at trying to continue to control their artifical monopoly
Action: dneighbo needs to go home
<chillywilly> seems to me the artists are getting fed up...the digital revolution is here now ;)
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> it is?
<chillywilly> yea, and the FS movement is a big part of it
<ajmitch> those dirty smelly hippies?
<ajmitch> foaming-at-the-mouth rabid zealots? ;)
<ddttmm> yeah they're pretty cool
<ddttmm> dont forget about sword-swallowing-and-beaver-vertebrae-in-their-dredlocks 
<ajmitch> hehe
<ddttmm> coz that's what Jason does, the guy i ran a couple FSF booths with
<ddttmm> he's in Oakland
<ajmitch> ok...
<jamest> yeah hippies like things free
<jamest> free love
<jamest> free music
<jamest> free bongs
<ajmitch> only guy i know who's into dreadlocks & stuff like that is an MP (member of parliament)
<drochaid_> free willy
<ajmitch> our own dreadlocked, pot-smoking, rastafarian MP
<ddttmm> oic
<ajmitch> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2064530a10,00.html
<ddttmm> free.... *chilly*willy?
<ajmitch> he's a member of the 'green party' 
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> the stick icky
<chillywilly> sticky icky too
<chillywilly> that site locked up galeon
<ddttmm> i know this is probably a sore or lame question, but what's the status of GNUe as a SOHO accounting app?
<ajmitch> chillywilly: you use a crap galeon then
<ddttmm> such as compared to MyBooks or Quickbooks
<ajmitch> ddttmm: ah, some people are very slowly working on it ;)
<ddttmm> is it within sight?  do they have a project plan or status page?
<jamest> nothing that concrete
<ddttmm> i basically recommend that people use MyBooks so far
<ddttmm> it's crossplatform Java and odbc
<ddttmm> no lock-in
<chillywilly> I think it's an issues with the sound device
<ajmitch> ddttmm: not exactly a status page
<chillywilly> it won't use esd anymore
<chillywilly> it jst wants to open /dev/dsp directly
<ajmitch> chillywilly: mine doesn't use esd, i don't have issues
<chillywilly> so when some page has flash or what not it hangs
<ajmitch> tho my sound card does have 2 channels & do hardware mixing
<chillywilly> yea, but I have a crmmy single channel sound card in my laptop
<chillywilly> fewl
<ajmitch> so did i
<chillywilly> ;)
<ajmitch> but i couldn't use my old soundcard in this new box
<ddttmm> ajmitch: what could possibly get done without a status page?  aren't they planning it?
<ajmitch> onboard sound isn't supported
<ddttmm> ajmitch: or is it super slow
<ajmitch> ddttmm: sure, but not as much done online :)
<chillywilly> esd is about the only thing I can do...galeon used to use it fine
<ajmitch> i confess, i'm one of the team, it's a group of us here in dunedin looking at it
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<ddttmm> ajmitch: cool
<ajmitch> so more is done offline 
<ddttmm> you mean IRL?
<ajmitch> yup
<ddttmm> ajmitch: how about if you prompt someone (such as yourself) to make a roadmap and a status page
<ddttmm> brain dump
<ddttmm> plz
<ddttmm> lots of people want to know
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<ddttmm> is it anywhere near usable
<ddttmm> ?
<ajmitch> might be a good idea - not likely until after uni has finished for me
<ajmitch> nope
<ddttmm> not even close, huh?
<ajmitch> well, the first version is usable, but it's not GNUeified
<ajmitch> it's a php/python hybrid 
<ajmitch> quite ugly but functional
<chillywilly> what are you talking about ajmitch?
<ajmitch> chillywilly: SOHO accounting
<chillywilly> what's SOHO?
<ajmitch> small office/home office
<ajmitch> afaik :)
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> you have some code for sch a thing?
<ajmitch> some code, and some forms
<chillywilly> k
<ajmitch> can't exactly release the code since it's uncopyrighted (was just an internal project)
<ajmitch> forms & stuff will be GPL
<ddttmm> ajmitch: there is no such thing as uncopyrighted code
<ddttmm> as long as the author is identified
<ajmitch> ddttmm: sorry, no copyright headers
<ddttmm> as long as anyone knows who it is
<ddttmm> ok
<ajmitch> ddttmm: also that depends on the law of the country
<ddttmm> so, do that and release it, eh?
<ajmitch> can't
<ajmitch> ;)
<ajmitch> will be releasing forms & stuff once stuff is in place
<ddttmm> whuh
<ddttmm> why was it made without gnue?  was it wicked old?
<ajmitch> i didn't do it
<ddttmm> yes you did!  dont lie!!1
<ajmitch> it's wicked ugly & non-intuitive
<chillywilly> who wrote it?
<chillywilly> Alex?
<ajmitch> yup
<ddttmm> why would they do that rather than spend $99 on MyBooks then?  accounting is not something to just mess with
<chillywilly> :)
<ajmitch> just for his personal use
<ddttmm> how can they even use it?
<ddttmm> for what?  for his business?
<ajmitch> yes
<ajmitch> it works
<ddttmm> yikes.
<ajmitch> i know :)
<ddttmm> does it interoperate with anything, like a bank or other file formats?
<ddttmm> sounds like a NIH geek
<ajmitch> most likely :)
<ddttmm> although i apologize if i'm overstepping my bounds ;>
<ajmitch> banks do that? wow, your banks must be about 20 years ahead of ours ;)
Action: ajmitch doesn't know, actually
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<Mr_You> re
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<redbaron> anyone there
<ajmitch> yup
<chillywilly> it's called OFX spport
<chillywilly> or whatever that prorocol is
<chillywilly> redbaron: the banks thing
<chillywilly> er, stpid nick completion
<chillywilly> gnucash cvs supports it
<chillywilly> you cna dl transactions from a checking account
<chillywilly> s/cna/can/
<ajmitch> uhh
Action: ajmitch ponders
<chillywilly> http://www.netbank.com supports it ;)
<chillywilly> yep OFX, Open Financial eXchange
<ajmitch> chillywilly: are you holding a 1-sided conversation?
<chillywilly> I am trying to provide useful info
<chillywilly> to those who will listen
<ajmitch> chillywilly: umm ok
<chillywilly> like hopeflly you an ddttmm
<ajmitch> i see
Action: chillywilly rolls his eyes
<ajmitch> i saw redbaron's nick there & thought you might have mistakenly brought a private question in here
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> that was supposed to be 're:'
<chillywilly> as in 're: you banking talk earlier'
Action: ajmitch drops a truckload of MS(tm) Windows(tm) XP(tm) SP1(tm) EULA(tm)s on chillywilly
<chillywilly> but the dman nick completion got in the way
<chillywilly> damn
<chillywilly> ajmitch: that's not a very nice thing to do to someone who is just trying to help
<chillywilly> btw, there's a Free libofx or whatever too, iirc
<ajmitch> chillywilly: i'd enjoy all those EULAs
<ajmitch> would be good for the fire :)
<ajmitch> btw thanks for the info :)
<chillywilly> but I have nore fire place
<chillywilly> er, no
<chillywilly> hmmm
<ajmitch> might be something that GNUe common could have, or something like that?
<chillywilly> can I use them as TP? ;)
<ajmitch> sure!
<ajmitch> if you can stand the feel of pure evil
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> http://step.polymtl.ca/~bock/libofx/
<chillywilly> I think OFX is an xml format
<chillywilly> :)
<ajmitch> evil
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<derek> jcater you still at dinner?
<jcater> no
<jcater> but will be at the shop in a minute
<jcater> so speak quickly
<jcater> or carry a big patch
<jcater> err
<jcater> bad pun
<ddttmm> chillywilly: oh i hadn't heard of OFX
<ddttmm> i'd only seen people using QIF
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<derek> rofl
<derek> will see you later back to dbacks game
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