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Action: derek too
Action: derek will take just money or just food
<derek> im not picky
<ajmitch> hey derek
<derek> hello
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<asdfasdf> Mr_You: Add an installer for Linux and make a funny ad to post on Kuro5hin.  It's only $10.  Make a web page where people can see your little speil on the product.  Offer to burn them a CD for $50, with e-mail support for 30 days.  Extra e-mail support is $50 per month.  If you don't sell any in one month, I will send you $50 for conducting the experiment, plus $10 to cover the Kuro5hin costs.
<Mr_You> heh
<Mr_You> well I already have someone buying for $40 ;-)
<reinhard> Mr_You: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
<ajmitch> reinhard: ??
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<btami> good morning
<reinhard> ajmitch: just a pointer to show that taking money is not against the philosophy of free software
<ajmitch> reinhard: yes, that was understood earlier :)
<Mr_You> food and shelter is ok too
<Mr_You> and net access.
<ajmitch> otherwise what would the point of working on GNUe be?
<reinhard> ajmitch: ok
<ajmitch> well, apart from fun :)
<reinhard> sorry didn't get that
<Mr_You> only thing that bugs me a bit, is  someone taking my code and reselling it and leaving me out ;-)
<Mr_You> but I consider this a temporary deal.
<Mr_You> I guess this is a little experiment.
<ajmitch> it doesn't sound like something hard to write, anyway :)
Action: ajmitch imagines it could kill off processes that use a certain amount of CPU time within a configurable time period
<IsoosI> ulimit?
<IsoosI> Mr_You: if you want to catch runaway cgi's, ulimit's your man
<Mr_You> no its not super dificult ;-)
<ajmitch> IsoosI: dunno if ulimit does what's needed
<IsoosI> specify a hard limit on the amount of CPU time a process can use
<IsoosI> eg: 2 minutes
<IsoosI> if a cgi-bin runs for more than 2 minutes of cpu time, the kernel will kill it
<Mr_You> what about daemons?
<Mr_You> daemons die in 2 minutes? ;-)
<IsoosI> they die after 2 minutes of CPU time
<Mr_You> yes,in some cases you can use resource limits, its better for memory limits
<IsoosI> for daemons you might want to set it up to 200 minutes or cpu time
<Mr_You> yeah, but what if you have a single user who runs daemons and runs CGI?
<IsoosI> you ulimit the daemons to 200 minutes, and the cgi's to 2 minutes?
<Mr_You> sure if you are using suexec
<Mr_You> apache normally runs cgis as the apache daemon unless you're using suexec
<Mr_You> its a very small niche ;-)
<Mr_You> but more flexible and accurate.
<Mr_You> I did see some guys 5 minute code job to solve the problem and it was icky
<asdfasdf> Mr_You: BTW, that offer stands indefinitely, and I'll extend it to pay the kuro5hin fees up front myself.
<asdfasdf> I would like to see how it works for a simple piece of GPL code.
<Mr_You> msg
<Mr_You> asdf?
<asdfasdf> I'm here, just highly latent.
<ajmitch> dang, new designer code broken :)
<Mr_You> been broke for me ;-)
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<lawrence> leave #gnuenterprise
<derek> hi
<ajmitch> greetings!!
<derek> lawrence:  its /quit or /leave #gnuenterprise
<lawrence> Thanks derek I am new to irc
<derek> no problem
<derek> we would rather you stay :)
<ajmitch> why would you possibly want to leave?
<lawrence> I am interested in GNUe I will listen in.
Action: ajmitch is waiting for jcater to fix designer stuff he broke yesterday
<lawrence> I was looking at the IRC prelude doc and trying some commands
<ajmitch> trying to do a basic customer form that lists records from another table in a dropdown box :)
<ajmitch> derek: got any tips on that?
Action: ajmitch is mainly mucking around, trying to learn forms properly
<derek> well i know the old way to do it :)
<ajmitch> how's that?
<derek> drop the widget you want to store for the customer form
<derek> then create a new datasource with table you want in drop down box
<derek> then go to the widget and make it a combo box (style)
<derek> then go up to its
<derek> foreign_key
<ajmitch> right, that's sort of what i've got
<derek> foreign_key_desc
<derek> fields
<derek> and put the info
<derek> it used to be
<derek> fk = datasource.fkfield
<ajmitch> jcater added a wizard for it yesterday
<derek> fk_desc = fkdescfield
<derek> i think we changed ti to
<derek> fk_datasource = fkdatasource
<ajmitch> i'm getting python errors - it's picking up stuff but not quite there
<derek> fk_link = fkfield
<derek> fk_desc = fkdescfield
<derek> or something
Action: derek has to run to work
<derek> bbl
<ajmitch> ok, cya
<derek> hi lawrence, glad to see you here
<lawrence> Is anyone working on a port of GNUe to FreeBSD? 
<IsoosI> er, its python
<IsoosI> why do you need to port it?
<IsoosI> it's run once, crash anywhere hopefully
<ajmitch> as far as i know it works just fine on freebsd
<ajmitch> morning IsoosI :)
<IsoosI> mornin'
<ajmitch> how are you?
<IsoosI> tired, but can't sleep :)
<IsoosI> since I fell asleep at 8pm, and woke up at midnight
<ajmitch> ah
<ajmitch> sounds like me the other night
<lawrence> FreeBSD has a ports section for installing apps. I do not see GNUe in the section
<IsoosI> ahh
<IsoosI> a "port" not porting it 
<lawrence> Right
<lawrence> I was wondering if someone was working on one?
<ajmitch> perhaps Mr_You?
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<ajmitch> the Isomer hath returned!
<ajmitch> enjoying the #hurd discussion? ;)
<Isomer> from a safe distance
<ajmitch> hehe
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<ajmitch> yo jcater
<jcater> morning
<dneighbo> yo yo yo
<dneighbo> wassup
<dneighbo> you going to see the pres today jcater ;)
<dneighbo> i think he is in TN
<dneighbo> i think he is hoping to relay  to the south that  the 'evil doers' and 'homicidal tyrants' are coming to a theater near them soon
<dneighbo> i thought this was great and what i often ask....
<dneighbo>  First, some ask why Iraq is different from other countries or regimes that also have terrible weapons. While there are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone -- because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. 
<dneighbo> i.e. i think dubba is trying to finish what his daddy couldnt.....
Action: dneighbo is not wholly sure how the 'possibility' Iraq has short range nuclear capabilities is WORSE
<dneighbo> than the Soviet 'regime' 20 years ago having equivalent to US long range ICBM capabilities and an army to back it up
<dneighbo> re: most serious danger of our age comment
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<jcater> dneighbo: why would I want to go see dubya?
<jcater> they wouldn't let me get close enough to spit on him
<jcater> so what would be the fun in going?
<jcater> ToyMan: are you around these days?
<dneighbo> when he was here i toyed with idea of going to protest, but feared too much of being arrested
<dneighbo> the head of the ACLU was arrested for protesting here
<dneighbo> because she stopped on wrong side of the street
<dneighbo> btw: when he was here they wouldnt let anyone with .25 mile of the building
<dneighbo> but put protestors on farthest side of street nearly .5 mile away
<dneighbo> which infuriated me
<dneighbo> what happened to free speech and right to assemble and such?
<dneighbo> i am ok with them saying its too dangerous for president EVERYONE needs to be .5 mile away
<jcater> now, dneighbo, you know the current administration doesn't recognize the bill of rights
<dneighbo> but to say if you 'for his policy' you can be .25 miles away but if you 'against his policy' you must be .5 miles away is just plain WRONG
<dneighbo> what is really bad is if you were a protestor and put your signs down and started waliking past the .5 point
<ToyMan> jcater, i'm around ... kind of
<dneighbo> they would arrest you even if you were not ACTIVELY protesting
<ToyMan> hi dneighbo
<dneighbo> hi ToyMan 
<dneighbo> you ready for that ride yet?
<dneighbo> the GNUe Train
<ToyMan> I *am* going to get you into my system, and soon
<ToyMan> ok, one sec, gotta go fix a machine..
Action: dneighbo thinks its pretty cool that ToyMan  being the owner is fixing machines ;) 
<dneighbo> i.e. a boss willing to dig in and contribute
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<jcater> ToyMan: do you sell wholesale?
<jcater> or only via distributors and web site now?
<ToyMan> still doing wholesale
<ToyMan> building the public skin on our new site
<ToyMan> you can see it @ www.dstoys.org
<ToyMan> very not done yet
<dneighbo> we will need to talk about the cart you are using at  somepoint
<dneighbo> its gpl correct?
<dneighbo> for you regardless we need to make it work with your back end, but we need to adopt a cart to be part of gnue at some point as a total solution (of course we will play with any cart by nature of the beast), but we dont want to spread our own development too thin
<dneighbo> supporting everything under the sun
<ToyMan> yes, shop cart/ ecom is gpl
<ToyMan> ours is pretty neat architecture
<ToyMan> you start a transaction stream
<ToyMan> and then you can plug in modifiers anywhere you want
<ToyMan> all done in python
<ToyMan> so it's *very* flexible
<ToyMan> but's it's really aimed at working in the cmf layer of zope
<ToyMan> not sure if it is easily brought out of that enviroment... maybe, but i'm not sure
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<dneighbo> that is my fear
<dneighbo> zope scares me
<dneighbo> for production stuff at a high transaction level
<jcater> I wouldn't run amazon.com off of it
<jcater> but I have a few production sites here that use it
<jcater> very successfulluy
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<Arturas> Hello
<dneighbo> i think its ok for production, just still makes me kind of nervous
<dneighbo> also its a big infrastructure piece to add in some respects
<dneighbo> i.e. most webhosts are not going to have zope
<dneighbo> where as most have php/apache
<dneighbo> or mod_perl or such
Action: dneighbo thinks maybe its the way to make money opening up a web hosting solution (much the way that the what's it folks do)  
Action: dneighbo cant recall their name openACS, thats it
<jcater> there's several Zope hosting companies out there
<dneighbo> well there is a distinction between 'available' and 'usable'
<dneighbo> i.e. shopping for UE space that had postgres
<dneighbo> there were lots of 'fly by night' shops that were not looking really 'reliable'
<dneighbo> but very few that were 'quality' and the ones that were, were a lot more expensive to their counterparts
<dneighbo> im nt saying a reliable zope host doesnt exist, but its one thing we will want to make sure we are solid on if we choose it for a solution
<jcater> I wasn't recommending for UE
<dneighbo> if that makes sense
<jcater> I just said don't necessarily dismiss Zope
<jcater> I personally only chose zope *because* we are hosting in house
<jcater> I doubt I would've gone w/zope if I had to outsource hosting
<dneighbo> i like the idea of zope (being python is HUGE plus)
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<siesel> hi
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<Arturas> hi Jan, pattieja
<siesel> hi Arturas
<pattieja> hello Arturas
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<chillywilly> gnue!
<chillywilly> you know the WWE is just like gnue...it sounds all manly until you get to the e part
<jcater> did you sit around all day thinking that one up?
<chillywilly> uh, no
<chillywilly> did you sit around all day waiting for me to say something that you could then ridicule?
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> go get a donut or something
<jcater> yes
<jcater> my day is now complete
<chillywilly> good I am glad
<chillywilly> jason baggins
<chillywilly> bye freaks
<chillywilly> bbl
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<siesel> hi btami
<btami_> hi
<btami_> i'v repackaged 0.4.0 for win32, but can't upload from here(slow modem)
<btami_> i will try tomorrow from my office
<btami_> designer has some tricky code, so i modified two files
<btami_> and added interbase/firebird and sapdb drivers
<siesel> cool
<siesel> Is it difficult to rebuild? I mean, would it be difficult to add a link to the connection.gfd file to the menu entry? 
<siesel>  /to the menu entry/ as a menu entry/
<btami_> rebuild is easy
<btami_> but i don't know about menu entry adding (yet)
<btami_> it's inno's task i think
<btami_> but making an icon on desktop is easy
<btami_> to any gfd
<btami_> like jcater has added to intro.gfd
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<btami_> i had issues with designer.instance.py and designer.templates.__init__.py
<siesel> its the same, just add an line 'Name: "{group}\GNUe Connection File Editor"; Filename: "{app}\..\Sa....\connection.gfd"' to the [Icons] section
<chillywilly> ello
<jcater> erm
<btami_> they grab modules with dircache.listdir, and mcmillan doesn't fallows
<jcater> I hope it works really well
<jcater> if you are putting it on the menu
<siesel> hi chillywilly
Action: jcater hasn't personally had time to test it
<jcater> which is why I was afraid to put it on the menu last release
<jcater> last thing we need are corrupted connections.conf files
<jcater> :)
Action: siesel is quite shure, that it works really well.
<btami_> and many dyn_import mcmillan doesn't follows too
<siesel> I
<btami_> so all of these needs to appear in hidden_imports.py files 
<siesel> btw. should static datasources be changeable?
<btami_> ?
<siesel> btami: static datasource = a datasource + some data defined in the gnue forms file.
<siesel> can be used for dropdowns with fixed options, like Yes -> Y, No -> No ...
<jcater> btami_: this is so great
<jcater> are you going to send us a patch?
<dneighbo> no he is selling his copy for $12.50 USD
<dneighbo> you can buy on his online store starting tomorrow ;)
<btami_> i tried to upload somewhere, but i failed
<btami_> so tomorrow :)
<btami_> but dinamically grabbing files from a directory doesn't works with mcmillan
<btami_> in designer.instance.py and designer.templates.__init__.py
<btami_> so temporary i fixed it with a manually made list if modules
<btami_> s/if/of
<btami_> it's not so elegant as jcaters code, but works with mcmillan
<btami_> i don't know the real solution...
Action: jcater is sure this is a bug with McMillan 4
<jcater> s/4/5
<jcater> it is still beta :(
<jcater> so we probably need to forward some examples to him
<jcater> I hope to work on that soon
<jcater> that == some examples
<btami_> btw. the released navigator fails with samples.gear
<btami_> OSError: No such file or directory: 'samples.geartestcases\\placement\\placement.gfd'
<btami_> i don't know is it fixed in CVS
Action: siesel is checking
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<chillywilly> aaaaw sheeeit
<crazymike> waz-up
<chillywilly> apparently your box is ;)
<crazymike> yes it is
<crazymike> for now :)
<chillywilly> btw, did I mention how mch the topic in this channel sucks
<crazymike> i don't even see it
<chillywilly> why not have the 0.4.0 release in there or something more exciting guys
<chillywilly> crazymike: /topic
<crazymike> crazymike /topic
<crazymike> crazymike: /topic
<crazymike> ?!?!?!!
<crazymike> lol
<crazymike> nevermind
<chillywilly> yea, like type '/topic'
<chillywilly> ya know?
<crazymike> i get it
<crazymike> i am a little slow
<chillywilly> crazymike: crap are we going to have to get your damn sound working again?
<chillywilly> did yo save those kernel debs?
<chillywilly> mutha!
<crazymike> lol...nope
<crazymike> I'll get it eventually
<crazymike> :)
<crazymike> hey...I was trying to mount the 80GB drive and it says ext3 is not supported by kernel
<chillywilly> crazymike: you are your own worst enemy
<crazymike> does that mean I'll have to recompile beofre I can mount it?
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> probably
<crazymike> fuck
<crazymike> i mean fsck
<chillywilly> it's all greek to me ;)
<chillywilly> my virgin ears never heard such words
<crazymike> i know, I am sorry
<chillywilly> HAH
<chillywilly> crazymike: we're in this for the long haul
<chillywilly> crazymike: dewd when do you have to go to class?
<chillywilly> crazymike: http://www.libertyetech.com/debian-kernel-mini-howto.txt
<crazymike> i have to leave for class at around 4:45ish
<chillywilly> better get compiling
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> do you have your old kernel config?
<crazymike> probably not
<crazymike> I don't have much
<chillywilly> hmmm, you can always apt-get the kernel-image
<crazymike> i was getting mad, so i didn't get very much
<chillywilly> and the alsa modules for it
<chillywilly> kernel-image-2.4.19-686 - Linux kernel image 2.4.19 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
<crazymike> how do I select things again in aptitude (i don't use it very often)
<chillywilly> '+'
<crazymike> thats what I thought
<chillywilly> 'g' to go dl your selections
<chillywilly> or just be a man and use apt-get ;)
<crazymike> i was trying but it kept bitching about dependencies
<chillywilly> why did it do that?
<crazymike> i dunno
<siesel> btami_: I found the error, I'll just add some more code to make gear://samples%2Fsamples.gear/myfile.gfd working too. :)
<siesel> jcater: do we allready have a cvs branch for 0.4.0?
<btami_> siesel: thanks
<btami_> siesel: i find another problem :)
<btami_> your CreateSchema.py wizard is fails to appear in menus
<siesel> :)
<jcater> siesel: yeah, head
Action: jcater is almost ready for a bugfix release
<jcater> I got a lot of stuff knocked out last night
<jcater> w/designer and a few things w/forms
Action: jcater was going to to a bugfix release of forms, designer, common within a few weeks
<btami_> maybe i best to wait packaging for win32 :)
<jcater> and navigator if there's things fixed w/it
<jcater> btami_: if they're ready, it'd be nice to get them uploaded
<jcater> but it's not the end of the world if not
<btami_> ready
<dneighbo> we  really need roadmaps
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> I need something to put in my garage
<jcater> to absorb the leaking oil
<jcater> oh, roadmaps
<jcater> well, those might work too
<dneighbo> jcater: i would just relase 0.5.0 if 0.40 was never tagged
<jcater> of course 0.4.0 was tagged
<jcater> we always tag a release
Action: dneighbo still anticipates being able to maintian 'bugfix' versions soem day
<dneighbo> ok, i misread your comment to btami
<dneighbo> do we have cvs branch 0.4.0 your reply was cvs head
<btami_> bye, tomorrow
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<siesel> jcater: how can I patch the 0.4.0 release? I want to fix that navigator stuff.
<jcater> commit to cvs head
<siesel> done.
<jcater> cool
<siesel> never thought that it would be so easy ;)
<jcater> there's not really a "stable" branch of a 0.0.1 tool :)
<siesel> its more a gear (i.e. common) thing than a navigator thing, but ....
<jcater> ok
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<ajmitch> hi 
<jcater> howdy
Action: ajmitch cvs up's & tries out designer again ;)
<ajmitch> [ajmitch @ ajmitch gnue] cvs up 
<ajmitch> cvs [update aborted]: reading appserver/grpc/GEAS.grpc: Too many levels of symbolic links
<ajmitch> except for this stupid error
<ajmitch> don't know why i get that
<jcater> hrm
<jcater> wonder what that's from
<ajmitch> have no idea
<ajmitch> it goes away if i rm -rf it & cvs up again
<chillywilly> that's weird
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<derek> we specialize in wierd
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<chillywilly> derek: damn skippy
<chillywilly> hey crazymike
<crazymike> howdy
Action: derek is away: I'm busy
<chillywilly> fine then
<chillywilly> be busy
Action: derek is back (gone 00:00:02)
<crazymike> ok
<derek> skippy?
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> like skippy peanut butter or some shit
<crazymike> like Skippy from Family Ties?
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> him too
<crazymike> where would a person find muttrc?
<crazymike> :)
<ajmitch> ~/.mutt/muttrc
<crazymike> thats dude
<crazymike> thanks
<chillywilly> some people might wanna look in there inbox
<chillywilly> oh yo already got it an sheeit
<chillywilly> boooooo
<ajmitch> i looked
<ajmitch> nothing much in my inbox
<crazymike> i don't have a .mutt
<chillywilly> you're not special enough
<chillywilly> untar the tarball I just mailed you
<crazymike> if only computers could give hummers...then they'd actually serve a purpose
<jcater> ajmitch: I looked too
Action: jcater was so disappointed
<jcater> :(
<chillywilly> jcater: well that was silly
<chillywilly> jcater: I mean why on earth would I email yo?
<chillywilly> youuuuuuuu
<ajmitch> chillywilly: because you love him!
<chillywilly> uh, no
<chillywilly> I despise him
<crazymike> i love him
<chillywilly> j/k
Action: crazymike loves jcater 
<jcater> eew
<chillywilly> ew
<jcater> get off me freak
<jcater> j/k :)
<crazymike> don't you love me too, jcater?
<jcater> um
<jcater> dude
<jcater> not in public!
<crazymike> oh, sorry
Action: chillywilly shakes his head
<chillywilly> derek: help me?!?!
<ajmitch> chillywilly: what's your problem??
<chillywilly> derek: make them stop
Action: crazymike is too stupid for this shit
<chillywilly> nah
<crazymike> i can't find anything, or get anything to actually work properly
<jcater> crazymike: you just need to search for your inner l33t-ness
<crazymike> i am so NOT l33t
Action: crazymike is a wanna-be geek
<crazymike> chillywilly: wtf was that
<chillywilly> my mutt config stuff
<jcater> chillywilly: dude!
<chillywilly> take it now!
<chillywilly> ;)
<jcater> why are you punishing him with mutt?
<crazymike> i don't have a .mutt
<chillywilly> he wants to use it
Action: jcater doesn't even venture into muttland
<crazymike> i installed it, but no .mutt
<crazymike> same with fetchmail
Action: chillywilly admits he's been sing evilution lately
Action: crazymike can't find the freaking file
<chillywilly> crazymike: mkdir .mutt
Action: jcater is a sylpheed dude
<crazymike> thats gay
<jcater> have been for quite a while
<crazymike> why should I have to make it
<chillywilly> cause
<crazymike> it should make it for me since I need it
<chillywilly>  nope
<crazymike> yes it should
<jcater> chillywilly: don't say nope
<crazymike> dope
<jcater> listen to newbies
<jcater> it's a good sign of what needs to happen :)
<ajmitch> mutt is beautiful!
<chillywilly> jcater: ummm, I just like to give him a hard time
<crazymike> jcater: what do you use?
<jcater> I use sylpheed
<jcater> http://sylpheed.good-day.net
<jcater> iirc
Action: chillywilly has all email on his IMAP server now so he can access it with a toaster if he wants
<jcater> it's GUI though
<jcater> not command line
<jcater> if that's what you're after
Action: crazymike hasn't been able to get into gnome yet, so he can't look there
<chillywilly> mutt is a text-based UI
<chillywilly> similar to pine
<jcater> well, I meant GUI vs Curses
<crazymike> pine trees
Action: jcater has used mutt
<crazymike> pineapple
<jcater> just got too frustrated with it
<jcater> pine needles
<jcater> pine-fresh scent
<crazymike> good thinking jcater 
<chillywilly> PINE
<crazymike> :)
<crazymike> g-d, I am a loser
<crazymike> anywayS
<chillywilly> pissy ignorant newbie entities
<jcater> anyone know where to get a CD resurfacer?
<chillywilly> ;P
<crazymike> most used cd stores
<chillywilly> jcater: aren't you programmed for that?
<crazymike> or best buy
Action: jcater means an industrial sized one
<crazymike> oh, I have 4
<jcater> ooooo
<crazymike> i thought you mean't personal ones
<jcater> my search on google took me here:
<jcater> http://www.superior-industries.com/solo/resurf.htm
<jcater> that looks perfect for CDs !
<crazymike> chillywilly: did you know that penguins have no penises?
<crazymike> chillywilly: is that why you relate yourself to a penguin?
<chillywilly> crazymike: did you know that crazy ppl are prone to delusional psychotic episodes
<crazymike> yes
<crazymike> actually I did
<crazymike> hense the name CRAZYmike
<chillywilly> is this why you think I am a real penguin?
<chillywilly> do you want me to slap upside the head with my penis tomorrow?
<crazymike> please
<chillywilly> ok then
<crazymike> i am not going to work tomorrow if I don't get this shit working
<chillywilly> HEH
<crazymike> so, most likely I won't be going to work for the next month
<crazymike> at least
<chillywilly> cool
<crazymike> dude...i can't get into gnomclear
<chillywilly> gnomclear?
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<chillywilly> what a goof
<chillywilly> he could log into gnome cause PAM was borked so he fucks around with everything
<chillywilly> then ends up trying to reinstall
<chillywilly> when all he had to do was comment out 2 lines
<chillywilly> in /etc/pam.d/gdm
<chillywilly> and
<chillywilly> in /etc/pam.d/gdm-auth
<chillywilly> one line in each of those files
<chillywilly> I evern told him about the problem cause I had to deal with it before
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<chillywilly> wb fewl
<crazymike> thanks
<chillywilly> no problem
<chillywilly> how is it going?
<crazymike> shitty
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> apt-get install links
<chillywilly> links http://www.google.com
<crazymike> links?
<chillywilly> give me a mutt config or I will bitch slap you!
<chillywilly> a text web browser
<crazymike> i am trying to get too many things to work at once
<ajmitch> kids, take your kinky stuff elsewhere please, i'm trying to think
<chillywilly> then take your time and do them one at a time
<chillywilly> ajmitch: then stop watching IRC
<chillywilly> case that wil NEVER help you think
<chillywilly> cause
<chillywilly> man this laptop kb is phucked
<crazymike> one at a time?
<crazymike> thats gay
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> hah
<crazymike> i quit
<crazymike> I am going to bed
<crazymike> later ya'll
<ajmitch> byebye
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<ajmitch> straw is a cool app
<chillywilly> it took a while to setup all that stuff and now he's expecting to get it all reconfigured in one night
<ajmitch> what's wrong with that?
<chillywilly> it ain't happening if sleep is needed
<ajmitch> sleep??
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> precious sleep
<chillywilly> aaaahhhh
<chillywilly> how I love thee
Action: chillywilly still has to do some studying for this bible study class
<chillywilly> doh!
<chillywilly> OdlParser.py is 656 lines long
<chillywilly> and all it has is the grammar rules
<jcater> chillywilly: you're approaching a point you need to reconsider having a single file
<chillywilly> doesn't actually parse into anything yet
<ajmitch> 656 lines is excessive for the functionality that it has
<chillywilly> jcater: they're all call back funtcions
<jcater> chillywilly: you need to count non-blank lines, dude!
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> this is getting tedious, but I am close to the end
<chillywilly> yay!
<ajmitch> and then appserver will be singing & dancing object-oriented & omniscient?
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> not that end
<chillywilly> jan already has a object-relational mapping in _featuretest
<chillywilly> sorta
<ajmitch> when can it be used for real work?
<ajmitch> (development, not production use)
<chillywilly> I think it is somewhat functional
<chillywilly> you can use that sql script
<chillywilly> and prime the pump
<chillywilly> make rpc calls and play with the data
<ajmitch> i heard it's good for a database proxy, but not too much more
<ajmitch> not sure if that refers to _featuretest tho
<chillywilly> probably refers to the release
<jamest> share and enjoy!
<jamest> deb http://www.gnuenterprise.org/debian woody main
<jcater> your pr0n collection, debianized?
<chillywilly> yay!
<jamest> not yet
<jamest> that'll be at
<jamest> deb http://www.gnuenterprise.org/debian woody major
<jcater> apt-get install debbie-does-dallas
<jcater> lol
<chillywilly> apt-get install debian-does-dallas
<chillywilly> hot gangbang action
<chillywilly> ;P
<jcater> should we send out something to the lists?
<jcater> or just let this be until next release?
<jcater> (it'll be in the KC anyway I guess)
<ajmitch> depends on how good they are
<jcater> the debs?
<jcater> I've put them into production
<jcater> on a few machines
<chillywilly> ajmitch: well why don't you go look throgh them and fix them up ;)
<jcater> :)
<ajmitch> no, i suck at packaging, i am not worthy
<chillywilly> well I have your pnet packages installed
Action: jcater wants anyone familar w/.debs to look at our stuff
<jcater> as I know they're not perfect
<chillywilly> is it all packaged?
<chillywilly> or just the main 3?
<jcater> only the 0.4.0 stuff
<jcater> the main 3
<chillywilly> ok
<jamest> l8r
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