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<SachaS_> ajmitch: you are using debian unstable. are you happy how stable it is?
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<christoph_ck> what's gnuenterprise?
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<ajmitch> evening all
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<btami> hi all
<btami> finally i uploaded a repackaged 0.4.0 for win32
<btami> http://www.extra.hu/berado88
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<ajmitch> mr bailey!
<jbailey> Mr. Mitchell!
<ajmitch> how are you?
<jbailey> Good.  Tired.
<jbailey> Busy weekend, and I'm still catching up.
<jbailey> (I got sick again)
<ajmitch> heh
<ajmitch> dang
<ajmitch> ok, g'night, by the time i get up J2 should be finished uploading ;)
<jbailey> Excellent!
<jbailey> Good sleeps, Andrew.
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<Arturas> Hello
<ra3vat_> hello Arturas
<Arturas> hi Dmitry
<jamest> for the debian lovers that missed it last nite
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<jamest> deb http://www.gnuenterprise.org/debian woody main
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<StyXman> I found what was poking with multiple forms not closing
<StyXman> the UIdriver is calling the wx mainloop twice.
<StyXman> I'll send a patch asap
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<StyXman> jcater: uh, I just fixed the problem with multiple forms.
<StyXman> the UIdriver is calling the wx mainloop as times as forms are launched.
<jcater> ah
<jcater> ok
<StyXman> so the first gets all the events and the rest just sit and wait for somethin to happen
<jcater> what did you have to do to fix it?
<StyXman> do I send tou a mail with the new GFwxApp?
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> that'd be excellent
<StyXman> ok, going...
<StyXman> jcater@gnue.org?
<jcater> yes
<StyXman> gone
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<siesel> hi
<siesel> Mr_You: you here?
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<btami_> hi all
<siesel> hi btami
<btami_> hi siesel
<btami_> i'v uploaded a repackaged wn32 setup to http://www.extra.hu/berado88
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<btami_> s/wn32/win32
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<btami_> siesel: btw. the connection.gfd doesn't works for me (on win32)
<siesel> :(
Action: siesel has an idea, why it doesn't work :)
<btami_> it doesn't find connections.conf IIRC
<siesel> you are using the installer version of gnue on win32, i.e. the connections.conf file is in /Programs/gnue ... instead of C:\PYTHON21\etc\
<btami_> y
<btami_> yes, it works if i use "setup.py install"  method
<btami_> but doesn't with packaged setup
<btami_> the placement.gfd fails too
<btami_> with 'There are no navigable widgets in this form...'
<siesel> yep. The only strange thing is, that it sometimes works ;)
<btami_> maybe it depends from wx version
<btami_> i remember it woked before for me too
<btami_> but i installd a newer wxpython
<ra3vat_> btami_: hi, does i18n (translated messages and menus) work with packaged install?
<btami_> yes
<btami_> and hi :)
<siesel> btami: placement.gfd works on debian with wxwindows  2.3.3.2
<siesel> having webpage which displays on which architecture which testcases ist working (or not) would be great
<btami_> the dependencies page is waiting for voluteers too :)
<btami_> siesel: btw how do you want to use the static datasources ?
<btami_> a real example?
<siesel> I would use it for something like the first part of the datasource/static example
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<siesel> hi ariel_
<btami_> gnight
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<siesel> hi Daniel
<chillywilly> hi jan
<chillywilly> I dun wrote a parser that doesn't parse into anything ;)
<chillywilly> did you notice that?
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> I was thinking making some kind of AST would be helpful
<chillywilly> abstract syntax tree
<chillywilly> or do you think one can avoid that step?
Action: siesel hadn't the time to look at it :(
<chillywilly> well look at it then ;)
<chillywilly> sheesh ;)
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<KeithJagrs> hello
<siesel> hi
<KeithJagrs> hi siesel
<ariel_> hi siesel, wait a minute, i have to put baby to sleep...
<KeithJagrs> Hae you used Forms 0.4.0 on win 98?
<siesel> hehe, siesels children are already full asleep :)
<chillywilly> siesel: you have children?
<KeithJagrs> my children haven't born yet
<KeithJagrs> I have to find a suitable mother
<KeithJagrs> and seduce her and then have babies
<siesel> cw: two 
<chillywilly> siesel: interesting
<chillywilly> siesel: how old are you?
Action: chillywilly has 1 child
<siesel> 26
<chillywilly> I thought you were yonger
<chillywilly> younger even
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<chillywilly> siesel: you are still going to college/university?
<chillywilly> hey crazymike
<KeithJagrs> ehem..
<crazymike> hi
<KeithJagrs> cough cough..
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<siesel> yep, but I hope to leave soon.
<chillywilly> KeithJagrs: ?
<siesel> KeithJagrs: designer+ navigator of 0.4.0 on win32 are not working.
<KeithJagrs> hmm
<KeithJagrs> I realise that
<jcater> btami uploaded updates to http://www.extra.hu/berado88
<KeithJagrs> forn win32?
<chillywilly> siesel: you meant RUNME scripts in the parser?
<jcater> I haven't had a chance to verify and copy to our main download directory yet though
<jcater> KeithJagrs: yeah
<KeithJagrs> good
Action: chillywilly just caught that comment
<chillywilly> siesel: my excse is that it was late and I needed to sleep ;)
<chillywilly> excuse
<siesel> could you just add same code to atest?
<chillywilly> atest.py?
<chillywilly> eventually
<chillywilly> I don't have time right now
<siesel> That would be better than having heaps of RUNME script ....
<chillywilly> ummm
<chillywilly> I thin each module should have a self test
<siesel> that would be great.
<KeithJagrs> http://www.extra.hu/berado88 is not working. Is there any info missing? port perhaps?
<chillywilly> if __name__ == "__main__": type stuff...that just a good convention
Action: siesel hopes to build the first pre-alpha version of js-forms-client tonight and more time for appserver then
<chillywilly> you da man
<ariel_> siesel: i noticed today from cvs that you added something related to '.gear' files, but there isn't any gear file in the whole cvs tree, what they are supposed to be?
<chillywilly> one thing you have to realize I haven't had time to read much of your code in _featuretest
<siesel> cw: doesn't matter, I hope that I can provide some design description, documentation etc. before the european gnue developer meeting
<siesel> ariel_: an .gear file is a zip file containing gfd's gpd's grd's etc.
<siesel> but you can directly access them.
<siesel> to try it just use the Makefile in gnue/samples to create a samples.gear. Then you can use navigator to access the .gear file and its whole content.
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<ariel_> now i recall, but the name is misleading, since it conflicts (semantically) with gear one of the appserver modules
<chillywilly> ?
<chillywilly> there's no appserver module named gear
<chillywilly> we have GEDI and GEMA
<chillywilly> but no gear
<ariel_> see rehinard's proposal in doc
<ariel_> sorry, my fault i confused with GEOR
<chillywilly> yea
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<KeithJagrs> all the examples are for postgres?
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<chillywilly> wb crazymike
<chillywilly> how goes it?
<lawrence> what is db2html used for in gnue? FreeBSD doesn't have db2html.
<crazymike> chillywilly: it goes
<crazymike> STRAIGHT TO HELL :)
<chillywilly> gah
<chillywilly> why?
<chillywilly> get X running yet?
<jcater> lawrence: it converts docbook to html format
<jcater> it's not needed to run the actual programs
<chillywilly> it's in docbook-utils on debian
<crazymike> my screen is fscked
<chillywilly> ?
<chillywilly> crazymike: yea that tell me a LOT
<chillywilly> s/tell/tells/
<crazymike> the bottom of my screen is filled with an apt search that won't go away
<crazymike> it won't redraw
<lawrence> thanks jason. I am just installing gnue on FreeBSD
<jcater> are you installing the latest releases (0.4.0) or from cvs?
<chillywilly> crazymike: it's locked up?
<lawrence> Yes
<jcater> yes to which?
<crazymike> no, not locked up
<chillywilly> switch VTs
<crazymike> i can type but can't see what i am typing
<chillywilly> force it to redraw itself
<crazymike> it is the same
<chillywilly> it has that stupid FB console right?
<lawrence> I just go the latest form pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/gnue co gnue
<chillywilly> where it goes into that certain video mode
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<chillywilly> that must not work so great for you
<jcater> ok, I was just making sure... the released versions shouldn't even know about db2html
<chillywilly> crazymike: like how it's able to draw the littel goofy Linx penguin when it boots up
<chillywilly> Linux even
<crazymike> chillywilly: what are you talknig about?
<chillywilly> the console uses the frame buffer device in like VGA mode or something
<chillywilly> it mst not work so good
<chillywilly> or you aren't useing those floppies?
<chillywilly> every VT has the line on it?
<crazymike> what floppies?
<chillywilly> nevermind
<crazymike> it is too hard to read this
<crazymike> the screen keeps flipping and shit
<chillywilly> reboot that shit
<chillywilly> sigh, galeon crashed
<crazymike> i am going to but I have to leave anyways
<crazymike> later guys
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<ajmitch> hello
<chillywilly> hi
<chillywilly> later
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<ajmitch> hi stbain
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<stbain> greetz
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<sklein> anybody home?
<ajmitch> yep
<sklein> I tried to access the web page and got a not found error.  Know anything about it?
<ajmitch> dunno, did you break it? :)
<sklein> no but it might be broke, at least temporarily
<ajmitch> dns server down, perhaps
<sklein> of course it could be my system that's broke :)
<sklein> I checked by trying to go somewhere else and I got there
<ajmitch> it's not working for me
<ajmitch> i can ping dns servers
<sklein> well, I guess that discussing it here wil possibly alert someone that there is a problem
<sklein> wil = will
<sklein> there was discussion a few weeks (or months) ago about a multi-step server move  Maybe that is part of it
<ajmitch> it's happened
<sklein> then we are supposed to be at the stable server?
<sklein> If so, I guess it is down
<sklein> well, I need to get going.  Bye all.
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<ajmitch> hello crazymike
<crazymike> hello ajmitch 
<crazymike> how are you?
<ajmitch> are you looking for chillywilly again?
<crazymike> i dunno
<crazymike> yeah, I guess I am
<crazymike> i am trying to get my shit working :)
<ajmitch> he's run away to join the circus
<crazymike> i wouldn't doubt it
<ajmitch> what are you trying to get working?
<crazymike> gnome
<crazymike> i finally got it to start
<crazymike> but I can't log in
<crazymike> it just restarts gdm
<ajmitch> can't log in?
<ajmitch> ah, interesting
<ajmitch> so you got gdm starting, but not gnome
<crazymike> yes
<ajmitch> what gnome are you using?
<crazymike> when I try logging into gdm my screen goes black then comes back to gdm
<crazymike> 1.4 i would assume
<ajmitch> sounds about right
<ajmitch> i presume the gnome-session is  not being started or is dying
<crazymike> thanks
<crazymike> now it works
<ajmitch> hah
<ajmitch> i didn't do a thing
<crazymike> yeah you did
<crazymike> i did "apt-get install gnome-session"
<crazymike> now it works :)
<ajmitch> oh :)
<crazymike> i was starting from scratch, and don't know everything I need to install
<crazymike> so I am figuring it out as I go
<crazymike> last time chillywilly did it all, and I just sat there and tried to watch
<crazymike> now I am learning as i get errors :)
<ajmitch> apt-get install gnome
<ajmitch> it depends on a lot of crap
<ajmitch> i think that'd work :)
<crazymike> i did that
<ajmitch> oh?
<crazymike> thats what i did, thats why I didn't know what was wrong
<crazymike> i figured it would pull all that stuff
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<ajmitch> hi jcater
<jcater> hello
<crazymike> hi jcater 
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<crazymike> can I ask you guys a question?
<crazymike> do you guys hate that i come in here and have nothing to contribute, but look for help?
<ajmitch> you mean like me?
<crazymike> you don't "contribute"?
<crazymike> don't you work on shit?
<crazymike> and stuff
<ajmitch> i just lurk & hassle everyone
<crazymike> ok
<crazymike> then I don't feel so bad :)
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<ajmitch> hi jamest
<ajmitch> dns down?
<jamest> hwdy
<jamest> huh?
<ajmitch> can't resolve www.gnuenterprise.org
<jamest> i just logged into it
<ajmitch> hmm, i can now
<ajmitch> oh well
<jamest> musta been some bad nz mojo
<ajmitch> nah
<ajmitch> sklein came in to complain about it
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