Nick change: SachaS -> Sacha_lunch Remosi (dahoose@port-219-88-247-84.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. zbrown (~zbrown@dsl081-067-005.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "Killed by gemini (Requested by panasync)" Isomer (dahoose@port-219-88-247-189.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) damn connection is flaking! reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard good morning all Action: reinhard is still sleepy psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: hi, so americans have some extra time before bed :) Nick change: Sacha_lunch -> SachaS hi all hi ajmitch hi ajmitch hi ajmitch hey, that ajmitch autoresponder script must've been downloaded at least 3 times ;-) Action: ajmitch sends psu back to KC writing ;) Andrew Mitchell (ajmitch) said he would send psu back to KC writing ;) lol Action: ajmitch probably hasn't been quoted in this weeks one anyway ;) not sure you tend to have the "Everyman" role hehe ie. asker of intellegent questions that set jcater or dneighbo off on a wild roadmapping frenzy ;-) that's quite fun :) i think i asked an appserver question the other day heh psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("work time..."). btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. morning hi hi ajmitch IRCMonkey_ (~chatzilla@cpe.atm2-0-104261.0x3ef2e44e.virnxx9.customer.tele.dk) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Alterations hehe, hope it doesn't get too windy :) now I've managed to move some shit out of my office I'm trying (still) to figure by you guys prefer nola over sql-ledger sql-ledger is apparantly ugly ugly ugly code as reported by derek - i haven't looked Nola is no better. yeah, well... :) case of python/perl dislike? From my pov sql-ledger seems to have a more active community and better business features. I also trying not to break down and buy a copy of MYOB for a couple companies I need to start books for and do last years accounts. hmm ok i need to get FTBA design off the ground next month will require some input, if you want to help out :) Yeah I saw that. Looks interesting. Any code? just a couple of test forms for the GNUe implementation some basic php/python code for an early, ugly, simple version Well I know NZ business accounts setup quite well. ;) Running at 15 person company. Any queries feel free to email me great your input will be valued :) i'm guessing it's the sort of software that would be appreciated by small companies around NZ I think in NZ the core issue is a nice GST path. For most business is the biggest task every two months for invoice basis. For payment basis its even more complicated yeah, i've noticed parents have run a business for longer than i've been around, i've seen a fair bit of the bookkeeping work :) Getting candy like "PO customer ship-tos" that auto generate to vendor invoice and customer invoices on receipt of delivery information from a supplier is also something nice. ;) yeah :) How about a Multi-currency GL? esands: if ya gotta buy something, try mybooks from appgen.com you can export or interconnect your data later sub/parent accounts for acculating invoices, and/or centralising pricing information multi-currency would be nice in the future, but not too important right now assuming this nola stuff is not good for ya dtm: I looked at a appgen demo but didn't like it that much. Not sure how well I could get it to work in NZ as well. ok esands: you should write to their support staff yeah... have you use mybooks? ajmitch: why you creating a new project rather than working on top of acclite? ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-241-63.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. acclite seems to do a bit too much for a small business can't ever have too many redundant projects! yes, thank you for that assessment dtm hey if you wanna get tons of cool free pens, just register a fictitious business name it's like $10 around here it's a heck of a value! It is a like confusing I agree. However if you design your UI over the top to hide the 'unneeded' features, you get the later bonus of tracking acclites development and being able to upgrade to a 'large' application easier. just hafta wait like 6 months for deliveries to start to pick up esands: yep esands: that is true esands: but currently acclite is mostly php-only true. personally I'm not that much keen on acclite. not the best thing to try & put forms onto for standalone apps Its php is like .... since FTBA will need to run on mostly windows desktops, without a webserver to run the php so what is acclite suitable for? I think it's the gnue version of nola that's meant to be a step towards the financals core of gnue. ask derek maybe ajmitch: from my understanding they are working towards form's version of acclite. yes but that requires taking the php code & turning it into something forms-accessible :) which is a rather large task oh hey i have a url for you regarding the core discussion and info about GNUe accounting ok dont you love it when companies give you a kernal patch to get their software going, but also require another patch on another part of their site to actually get things going... that's scary what software is this? win4lin? vmware? esands: http://docs.axisgroupware.org/index.php?page=AxisWishList actally I think that requires taking the sql scheme turning it into something useful. Considering those works it might be easier to start from square one. ;) yeah acclite development seems to have stalled a little, unless lots hasn't been committed? esands: please do feel free to submit to me a writeup if you can improve that document esands: urls, etc Shes, I guess you've been there before: win4lin. ;) Although nvidia drivers can be good same for anyoen else every tiny bit helps there are no small roles! ;> dtm: i see that you're still focussing on the web-based - would you be using a php GNUe forms client, for example? there is no focus on anything beyond that which is open standard as phpforms seems to be the main web forms client at the moment dtm: If it interests you I current (for my family's business) use a unix system (www.fastbase.co.nz) - console based. Although they have a mysql/tcl version as well. (yes, mysql - worry can convince the developer otherwise?) esands: what language(s) is it written in esands: perhaps there are simple db abstractions dtm: i was referring to the sentence on it being a web-based service C phaser to a custom GL language esands: it is closed? I've talked to them about open sourcing. I have the code for the C parser, but its not really open ajmitch: we focus on the web based, where that means having a relatively thin, platform independant, client. preferably launchable via a web browser for reasons of authentication and UI integration. yeah, i think that phpforms or even a java applet could be useful :) ajmitch: "web based" may also mean that it's relatively tolerant of imperfections in the connection, i.e. run via internet dtm: right ajmitch: i think i have the same definition of "web based" as derek does, and it has no tie to html although it's highly preferable but man if it makes the app seriously suffer, like for rapid data entry or needing a stateful connection, then that's something else i mean it may require a thicker client than html dtm: I think the main thing about accounting systems (from the pov of an IT-inclined guy who does business accounting) is that the core is important. I'm not worried about document manager and publics notices on login if I can't generate invoices and statements. but still, ya know, Mozilla and whatnot are app platforms today you have accounting systems which are pretty much the show stoppers good, the usual definition i see of 'web-based' is 'browser & html-based' they dictate system architecture, etc dtm: MVC: html is just one mechanism for the V bit. ajmitch: we should define that and i'd definately want gnue's input ajmitch: what's your definition accounting systems only recently started migrating off DOS recently for small business stuff :) ajmitch: yeah and a lot of their guts still use the DOS or win16 stuff I guess if you think of windows as dosX, thats true enough dtm: accessible via the internet, usually via HTTP (including layers like XML-RPC or SOAP) the standard GNUe forms client can load forms via http, and talk to the appserver via xml-rpc it seriously rocks, really :) ajmitch: yeah that might imply the possibility for ssl ajmitch: and it could be launched via a browser aye people need to have a single environment to branch off of, that being the intranet, and being powered by what we call groupware. that should be an application launching zone if not literally the all-encompassing appserver itself there's a new package format being defined for some of this GNUe stuff, being GEAR it should be the encompassing GUI, that is like the master menu that's how to cater toward being the most things to the most people like an html-based GNUe Navigator? having good defaults making sure people know about system updates having a groupware launchpad being the default home page ajmitch: i dont know what that is sounds like .NET. ;) GNUe Navigator is currently a basic forms & reports client, which has a menu/tree esands: that's where we can tie in DotGNU :) esands: minus the e-vil. ninja (rossg@rosstest.dial.nildram.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) since DotGNU does still have ties with phpgw, seek3r is coming to talk at the next meetathon and i'm trying to get DotGNU stuff to be able to work nicely with GNUe stuff I think what you are saying is: build the infrastructure so that applications can tie together nicely. and of course .NET is quite widely hyped :) yes that's the aim of GNUe, DotGNU, and AxisGW being 'glueware' common meme. what would be interesting would be if GNUe's appserver could run a caching php interpreter dtm: you know more about php than myself: does mod_php reinterpret a page on each hit? ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-241-63.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) yep hmm Unless you use something commerical WHy not use a pythong web enviroment instead? Quixote? that's one thing that webware & GNUe's appserver won't do with python - they store the interpreted objects in memory esands: because GNUe's appserver could do some of that stuff anyway? Zend sells a php cache i'm familiar with webware, haven't heard of quixote lwn run it i'm surprised that there isn't a free php cache - i guess the interpreter works well enough for quite a few or those that need the cache have enough incentive to pay for one :) Probably because people who need it pay for it yeah ajmitch: i know *ever* so slightly more than jack about php (indeed almost any programming language) and not even as much as you ask. ajmitch: oh wait ajmitch: there are free php caches ajmitch: one comes with the latest mod_php ajmitch: also see lingerd ok it sounded like lingerd wasn't a php cache, but an app to avoid keeping sockets open too long i'm surprised that there's not a php->.NET compiler :) that is correct so for some dynamic sites you can use php cache and lingerd and, yay fast, scalable so long as the php code itself is written nicely ;) Action: ajmitch is perfectly able to write some really bad & non-scalable python code that totally negates the benefits of a fast appserver Action: reinhard is away: lunch really inefficient blocking use of SQL is a great way to kill your website ;) btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: ninja (~rossg@ip-195-149-26-110.nildram.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (~rossg@ip-195-149-26-110.nildram.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit ninja (~rossg@ip-195-149-26-110.nildram.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-240-63.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. 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I tried fairly early on when I get a time-out error on a personal page I usually chalk it up to needing to wait a few hours :) yep - my personal web pages are like that *I* can always see them right away, as the ISP's machine doubles as the www-cache but the rest of the world has to wait ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-27.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-106.wasp.net.au) left irc: Excess Flood is EWOK officially dead? Superceded by Bayonne SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-106.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There's always one more imbecile than you expect" psu: afaik hey Action: psu is doing an emergency prune of the FAQ morning just fixing broken links and doing psu: the link to documents is wrong s/GEAS/AppServer it references /doc/doc.html or something jcater: yes. QUite a few other links, too. Action: psu will fix the links now, then do a more comprehensive re-write on the content this second set of changes probably needs to go, as a courtesy if nothing else, to neilt poor GNU people appears that the ISP link to the FSF offices is still down where'd you read that? umm, well, I can get to their site yeah, www.gnu.org is hosted elsewhere chillywilly: i have my contacts ;) unless it's actually a cache that I'm hitiing psu: loic told me that the webserver was hosted at quincy (not sure what that is), and the others at temple place (fsf office) ajmitch: suuuure ok which sorta means that mailing lists are stopped for now super gayness dneighbo (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. it's the www-data man it could be worse - he could be using tinyirc ninja (rossg@host213-120-39-48.webport.bt.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Ok, repaired faq is now at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/faq.html Any broken links left are bugs, and should be reported to the DCL gateway which, according to the webpage is www-suport@gnuenterprise.org but I think that's a typo s/suport/support Anyway, phase II is a sanity check on the actual content Action: chillywilly throws a dictionary at the web master ;) yeah we need to seriously look at the faq and all our stuff really imho it's WAY too package-centric esp considering where we are today e.g. 1.1 - What is GNUe? GNUe installation will typically provide integrated business software for human resources, payroll, inventory, purchasing, accounting, finance, planning, sales order entry, customer support, forecasting, and other business processes. that's one of the three "what is gnue?" answers err Action: psu would probably replace that with the "three things" off what.php actualyl, thatls "what will gnue be some day" Action: jcater backs up and tries again actually, that's "what will gnue be some day?" sometimes I wonder if we really shouldn't consider ourselves as two separate projects from an organizational standpoint oooo and history needs updating yes oooo and on the website it should be GNUe Tools and GNUe Applications common --> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/gnurpc.php should be http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/common.php but What is GNUe? should remain as it is, but maybe should explicitly state a distinction between tools and applications as it is? i am buried at work within week should be unburied and applications will start falling out you mean, one subject in the faq, but change to the 3 point thing or exactly as it is now as it is... er yes one subject, 3 points ok I agree :) but as it is was not talking in future tenses it should be in present tense with foot note about check status or something only because if we write in future tense it has to be changed later and is bad marketing :) i know i am in the minority on this thinking, but fooey :) true to a point but false advertising is still false advertising even if we can't get sued because we are non-profit there's a fine line between marketing and lying let's just try to not cross it :) btw, I'm not arguing for future tense... that was a joke Action: chillywilly draws a line int he sand in the but in all seriousness, misleading marketing is not a good thing... it usually backfires and will destroy a "brand" fairly quickly keyboards are the devil I tell you! the devil! well, that makes sense my keyboard is attached to my athlon which is hellishly hot! HEH mine always makes me press the wron keys ;) or forget some ;) my athlon is delightfully chilly willy. w00t only 40c hey man we're americans we don't use that scale here ;) no kidding! Action: chillywilly cannot phathom what 40c feels like it took me a minute to figure out he was talking celcius jcater: i agree, i dont think we should market packages that dont exist in that fashion 102F i.e. giving a status or link to satus just to cut down on our reworking dneighbo: I wasn't picking apart what you were saying... I was just getting on my pulpit that's not cool ;) jsut keep the shit up to date what's so hard about that ? ;) Its coool for a CPU i dont want to say we have packages, but i want to make sure we arent talking in future tense that suggests some day we might consider it, but rather in a language that says we ARE making packages just they dont exist yet.... if that makes sense man, I gotta say that report generation is a non-trivial task. i.e. future tense is ok if worded correctly, but my big frustration today is that folks think GNUe has no deliverables dneighbo: actually it doesn't ;P that's one of my gripes which i think falls in line with jcaters assement perhaps we need to market as two projects about the centricity of our literature as people look at it as packages the website is now stuctured that way which we are lacking I really like the website now :) in siense that we have separated into 'categories' psu: great job! esands (~nic@mdr1-port10.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. I like the website too perhaps we need a NOTE on the front page? go psu! that states tools are ready, packages are not? we all should throw a big virtual party next week for psu i.e. i agree 100% about it being confusing 52 issues of KC :) i will bring the pizza ;) go penn state! woohoo! pizza! er, psu... morning esands hey oh no not *another* kiwi dneighbo: I have a question... re meta-project #3 of support and resources for developers writing applications using the GNUe Tools (whether part of the 'official' GNUe Packages or not). It is designed to collect Enterprise software for the GNU system in a single location (much like the GNOME project collects Desktop software). and what's wrong with kiwis? I like kiwis dtm: fiddling around with the appgen demo. Certainly I'm getting a better impression than I did last time. Would need some modification to work in NZ though. they are a nice, sweet fruit dneighbo: to what extent is that "community.... designed to collect Entrerprise software ... in a single location" I assume with it being a 3rd category apart from packages we are talking about 3rd party stuff? or are we just talking about the "community" of help i.e., irc, mailing lists, etc psu: how does one add screenshots? I want to get a screenshot of my curses interface up specifically: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/curses-intro.png Can someone explain how sales tax works in the US. From my observation sales tax is collection on sales. I wonder however how business balance off the outside of the equation. sales tax on goods purchase for the conduct of business. ie. for generating business income. Is sales tax collected on these purchases? Is it refund some how? esands: if purchasing items for resale, you can present a Certificate of Resale (or something similarly titled) and the vendor won't charge you any taxes sales tax is only per state. no taxation without representation! er... and sales tax is only for tangible goods, not services. Mr_You: that's location specific actually I do pay a service tax for my city. So you have to carry a card around with you. Sounds complex. Want about when a person is out and about? Say you have 100 people out and about. Do they each need to cert? some municipalities do charge tax on services as well esands: usually you file this "Certificate of Resale" with the vendor so they have it on file and this only applies to stuff you resale if you are consuming within your business sounds like lots of paperwork :) you still have to pay sales tax What about ad-hoc purchase though? unless you live in a small, close-nit town and know the ad-hoc vendor, you probably need this certificate on file with them That's not very nice. Action: jcater has never seen "very nice" and "taxes" in any way related and i thought NZ was crack I am all for sales tax esands: you don't carry around a card, you just have to file the right paper work.. and provide your federal tax ID if a customer request it. In NZ we are able to claim GST credits for items consumed in the production of business income BUT sales tax AND income tax is not nice, imho ;) so if you buy more than you sell, you get a GST refund :) chillywilly: you must not own a house yet ajmitch: no australia has a crack system. esands: true Action: Mr_You likes taxes for public schooling. 'cause you forgot to add in Property Tax jcater: isn't the 'property' tax? esands: isn't the tax rate dependant on the prduct/service there? bbl Action: Mr_You & You guys have captial gains as well. Right? yeah no. just its exempt status esands: ah Action: jcater is no tax specialist.... that's not so bad or in irc terms: IANATS ajmitch: ie. finanical services (interest, bank fees, etc, but not insurance) dont have any GST heh and essential goods don't either, right? whatever they define essential to be :) What you mean essentail? er ajmitch: Sorry, I missed the "there" bit. cannot do without Australia is strange. Whole chickens are cheaper than chicken pieces and strange things like that. hehehe America is strange too.. after all, I have to pay for the donut holes America is phucked go figure heheh Action: jcater thinks donut holes should be free then you would ony eat the holes? ;) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("nite..."). ratmice^ (matt@vespertine.pc.ashlandfiber.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 'lo seem to always get er.py", line 304, in _createResultSet DB000: self._list.setPrefetch (fieldlist); DB000: AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'setPrefetch' trying to use the appserver w/ linux and windows hmm chillywilly!! also thinking there might be issues with differing font sizes in gnue-forms looks fine under linux, text a little off in windows Action: ajmitch doesn't know :) does anyone use galeon in debian sid? yes does it crash a lot for you? chillywilly: help with this appserver problem first er.py? I don't see any er.py file anywhere also this looks like it may be an issue in the db abstraction layer sorry DBdriver.py for which driver? hmm, mst be the appserver driver? must yes k I dunno if the driver was working or not I didn't write it ;) hmmm I don't see why a geasList would not contain setPrefetch it says it's an int rather than a list i've had stupid issues before with non-GNUe stuff _list is an int? where a list would appear as an int and the int was the list length hmmm that's weird but _list is a geasList object ref not a python list oh well you can debug it then ;) I've been looking at it fieldlist is a python list ok, feel free to fix it up ;) well it is not apparent to me what the issue is perhaps the actual author of the driver could fix it ;) ratmice^: are you here? yeah do you have data in a database and everything setup and such? yes, I'm working fine with psycopg driver why don't you add a line to print out the _list attribute once Action: chillywilly does not have a setup to test with okay, i was just going to try out _featuretest scripts I don't think the driver works with that particular version there's lots of changes I could be wrong bt why don't you add print self._list before the setPrefetch line if it prints a number then that's b0rked okay yep surely is an int chillywilly: is that your technical diagnosis? hmmm it's b0rked? well I don't know how to fix it it should be a geasList from what I can tell man I wish OpenOffice would save to/open DocBook files or *something* would Action: jcater may (puke, puke) try out docbook again Action: jcater feels to dirty s/to/so argh!??!?!?!? Ctrl+\ doesn't work in Emacs uh ah!!!!!!!11 what's that supposed to do? help!!!!!!!! whats C\? how do I get out of emacs C-x-c Ctrl+\ is typically Signal 9 exit on most unix apps at least C-x C-c whew! that was scary thanks chillywilly Action: jcater vows to stay out of emacs emacs is good for you indeed :) they go in through your nose, and you get to keep the little peice of brain they take out yeah, nothing like grabbing the controlling terminal and not releasing it for anything to get your heart racing makes for a good cardiovascular workout come on now you should do the emacs tutorial its good. you couldn't log into the box again and kill it ;) that's one way out ;) Action: jcater wanted to try out emac's XML completion thingy emacs is my friend! I heart emacs I trout emacs love-hate relationship? anyway, who's galeon crashes all the frelling time? ajmitch: then you should get out more! cause it is getting damn annoying Action: jcater isn't into the whole S&M thing galeon crashes countantly. I like galeon's session thingy. constantly. yea, what gives man? it sed to be a bit more stable than that I don't care. used session thingy is like zero interruption I do, what other browser am I going to use? galeon well it is not very convenient if you start the session on a page that makes it crash now is it ;) konqueror phoenix uh, no s/phoenix/konqueror oooo chillywilly: it isn't crashing because of the page might I suggest the lightweight phoenix chillywilly: its just crashing only sick sadistic bastards would use that ;) konqueror phoenix? Action: jcater didn't up arrow enough I meant konqueror suuuure ;) Action: jcater has never used phoenix the damn gnome 2 packages lick balls Action: jcater uses konqueror for everything except netbank.com and capitalone.com 's online banking and I use mozilla for those 2 :) in case you were wondering if konq is so good why can't you net bank with it? hrm, on the appserver side with debugging lots... DB006: [DirectoryServer:249] (('', 'integer'),,None) DB003: [ObjectEnabler:147] Transform result None into 1 aaaah yea I know what it is now pyyyython in the createList exciting and neeeew python is gooooooood method it returns none None even ;) perhaps I can fix it up right quick.... brb I am gonna restart gnome chillywilly (~danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hmmm, now it bitches about the gnome settings daemon...sigh oh well hrrrm, but it makes my terminal look fugly chillywilly: they just release KDE 3.0.4 it kicks mucho asso 3.1 will be released in a few weeks nice I prefer Gnome though ;) I'm sorry no need to apologize I'll forgive you ;) yeah, i should recompile the latest kde jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-191-161.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "nite" Action: chillywilly waits for the locate db to update and waits... chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: ajmitch staples chillywilly to the channel ouch chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ratmice^ (matt@vespertine.pc.ashlandfiber.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection damn jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. jeff hird jeff man! Heya Dan. Andrew! jbailey: what'd you do to fencepost? Action: chillywilly compiles gnu common c++ ;) time for some hackin' ;) uh oh hrrrm, but I should fix appserver shouldn't I? fooey yes, fix it The t1 to the FSF died at 2am this morning. and your name will be sung forever (-0500) ah Apparently the basement flooded. figures, loic thought it was ISP troubles oh damn Yeah. You can tell because mp is also unavailable. yeah, and others that'll be a fun thing to clean up good thing the web/ftp server is elsewhere heh, authentificate wtf jcater (~jcater@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. I don't mean to be a jerk, but *some* ppl here butcher the english language with their authentificate methods ;) hi jcater jc! run! jcater: run away from chillywilly as fast as you can! Action: chillywilly thwaps ajmitch around foo masta! release the goats! Oh dear. I haven't heard goat talk in here in.. well. years. yep :) had to revive it sometime bah bah black sheep wish ratwhatever was still here afict the "auth" check should succees and we should get a real geasList object and not None succeed it's just a stub that does nothing but retun 1 returns /activate goats Action: jbailey bleets. you people leave those goats alone! savages! SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-106.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Action: jcater would prefer to: /deactivate goats as barbequed goat sounds mighty nice right now ew ew? waddya mean "ew"? goat meat mmmm jcater: you eat goat? roasted goat over an open pit you cannabal! chillywilly: you don't? no, must be a souther thing ;) southern could be southern freak or just a "non-city" thing Action: chillywilly lives near the big bad city of Milwaukee goat yummy where some have been known to eat ppl!!! ;) Dahmer anyone? ;) derek understands has there been much/any progress on acclite lately? no but SOON there will be I promise i am up poopie creek with a toothpick for a paddle on things and acclite is one of them expect deathstruction ':) i have just been BURIED in work you poor guy well given today's economy derek: what is the nature of this poopie creek? that's probably a GOOD thing :) jcater: hehehehe damn it's so weird looking at old code dtm: lots of stuff to do no time to do it Action: derek suspects chillywilly is calling 'old' code somethnig done 12 months ago hm ? jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-191-161.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. Action: derek wonders if he would mind finishing the rpg reporter conversions to cobol at work? hi they are only like 12 years old man I took RPG and Cobol in high school and have never used it. chillywilly: is this code last month's? I think I partly convinced one teacher to teach some pascal.. it is my frelling simulation library ;-o then in AP Computer Science we used pascal for everything. hehe fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) f1x3 (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: "Client Exiting" SachaS (~Sacha@ark.cs.curtin.edu.au) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. KeithJagrs (jorgre@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. cheers to RedHat for showing how lame my congress person Coble made the DMCA for his own state. w00t Mr_You: ditto Mr_You: Yeah. Throwing people in jail for distributing information. Consolidating all the war power in one person. How does it feel witnesing the creation of the fourth Reich. He's even got his ethnic group to go after. well sklyravov (sp?) had his visa denied so that he could defend himself In USA the citizens are not the people, but the big corporations its totally broken I thought that was particularily sweet. =) keith: I agree. KeithJagrs: Your big corporations dont' even appear to have that power. we live under a plutocracy. Yes, that sounds right. But the worst part is that the populace seems to *support* this. I think that's what scares me the most. Like the citizens of Germany cheerfully put Hitler into power. umm, no its not even close to that you have two choices in the states. every 4 years comparing Bush to Hitler is a bit unfair at this point including all the congress people, but the bottom line is running for election is not fair. Sure, but hitler was also democratically elected, and then systematically gathered power and created laws to silence the populace. And he had majority support through most of the time he was in power. ratmice (matt@vespertine.pc.ashlandfiber.net) joined #gnuenterprise. so fscking what?!? so you are accusing the U.S. of genocide? they shit the Germans did to the Jews does not compare to the stpid "war on terrorism" if so, please be specific. got it working under linux, I think it was just an unhandled error on my setup No - I'm saying that yuo have a very scary dictator running your government who has it in far a particular group of people. And that scares the !@#$ out of me. jbailey: and those "people" are? The iraq government. you live in Iraq? No. no, he lives in Canada eh? ;) chillywilly: =) jbailey: you go to DC and visit the holocause museum holocaust then you come tell me if Bush is Hitler chillywilly: Sending me to DC? And I thought yuo liked me and wanted me around! =) dude that place is no joke the holocause museum er But I did try to go when I was working there, you had to buy tickets two weeks in advance. I wasn't there for long enough. well bush is not hitler, thats for sure. holocast blah] Hitler was smarter Action: chillywilly is away: Hitting the crack pipe. geopolitics is like all politics, FUCKED UP [lkndlvkj gvqpksjr Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:00:17) ratmice (matt@vespertine.pc.ashlandfiber.net) left irc: Client Quit we gave Iraq anthrax and westnile for "research" purposes in the 80s Hitler didn't have rightest think tanks telling heim what to to. He acted on his own we've given and other countries have given these weapons in africa and who knows. KeithJagrs: You're right. I think it's scarier that Bush is doing this with the support of all the people around him! well I have a mix of what people call "right" and "left" views what does that make me? chillywilly: Unitarian? Action: jbailey hides. the pharmaceutical companies maintain these sources and create cures for these dieases.. ummm, no chillywilly: a mutt? =) the pharm companies rule the world Action: jcater agrees w/jbailey.... bush scares the shit outta me the only chance we have is to get a decent 3rd party in there Mr_You: yes http://www.americafirstparty.org :) they are the Micro$oft of the health and I think the analogy to hitler is appropriate; at least during the start of hitler's rein Action: jcater has to run 'bye jcater. Action: Mr_You is not for a regieme change. bush disappoints me to no end but the word from inside CIA and military people is that the Bush adminitration preasured these investigators to produce information that supported their position. gowlin (~user@CPE00e029258486.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ERC> and the truth might be, that, Iraq is in the same condition/state it was in 2 years after the war. if that is the case, we should focus on shutting down more terrorist camps and stopping funding of terrorist. yeah so either funding will turn up more sleepers who are ready to be a marter or they get a job Action: chillywilly would prefer that the gov't stop trying police the world lack of funding. chillywilly: agreed I agree in the number of troops/bases total. but we need to protect our allies. Being the police of the world is also an excuse for minding other countries' business generally.. the people shouldn't know we are there except they know we're there cause its a public record. http://www.americafirstparty.org/docs/platform.shtml people don't like our bases because our troops act like jackasses and rapist "Any alliance, treaty or agreement that commits this nation to participate in foreign conflicts subverts our Constitution and the independence of this nation, and is therefore illegal." how do you like them apples? ;) ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-27.citlink.net) left irc: "making toys" the reality of the world today is.. if you have weapons of mass destruction you should tell us or we will destroy them where we think they lay. yeah. wierd I think thats a good policy. weird "The Constitution of the United States delegates the authority and responsibility for the common defense and the general welfare of the United States to the Congress - not the President." Who are you quoting? the USA goverment has been sowing hate in some parts of the world. It has recently harvested the results. And It has decided to continue sowng hate. hate toward what? jbailey: America First Party platform Towards the unaware american people we are sowing hate towards ourselves? ah, politics discussions are such fun! ;) indeed ;) joy is for all to be had keith? strong is the force in him not "we" the goverment the government is sowing hate on purpose? and why? not om purpose for the benjamins ? ya think? I don't understand what countries that hate us, for what reasons why. But by ignoring other cultures, and acting as the cop of the world I can understand why Iraq hates the UN but what cop of the world and what cultures? Hmm, i don't think Iraq hates the UN the UN is the COP of the world :-PPP get it straight wtf? thats hilarious the UN should be the one and only cop of the world btw, I think what's his nuts (the Iraqi president) is more like Hitler than Bush ;) but in practice is the USA someone is not familiar with Iraq the UN should be desolved What should be disolved is the Ban power that 5 countries have on the security council on the UN "The United States must withdraw from the United Nations immediately and require the UN headquarters to relocate out of the United States. Our participation as a member nation in this organization was never constitutional and now places our nation's sovereignty in extreme peril. The United States must promptly withdraw from all international monetary and financial institutions such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank , NAFTA, GATT, etc. These institutions violate the meaning and intent of our Constitution." gowlin (~user@CPE00e029258486.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #gnuenterprise ("No reason"). who are you quoting? chilly: you would find a fall in geopolitics and world economics immediately ;-) would be like going back to the old days "The America First Party is totally opposed and unequivocally rejects the World Court because it violates and claims authority to overrule the United States Constitution. The World Court is just another nice-sounding world organization on the surface, which proclaims to do good and honorable things, but has the sinister and evil power to end the sovereignty of all nations. The America First Party is totally against a New World Order y one-world government, not simply because it is unconstitutional and would end this nation's sovereignty, but because it will end up enslaving all people except the elite. interesting.. there's a shit load of stuff thats suppose to be illegal by the constitution hehe hehe well yea it doesn's allow for such BS bureaucracy and over globalization the federal gov't has exploded and it only gets worse and more corrupt well some are predicting a complete downfall of the U.S. economy. who knows. Sun and Lucent are laying off 10k each IIRC well let me ask you this not good for Mr_You is this *really* the gov't for the people, of the people, and by the people? in theory ;-) HEH ;) in practice? thats debatable. more parties is a good start JP morgan is laying like 2k people and fair campaigns democracy or any facsimile therof needs to be decentralized, almost chaotic you want it to become like NZ?? I don't know much about the political situation of NZ ;) like NZ??? there's about 7 or 8 parties in parliament at the moment cool 2 main ones, and the others with women? ;) Do you use Pythonwin? I cant seem to be able to find an option to wrap text in the window chillywilly: umm yes heheheh our PM is female, i think that'd never happen here in a million years yeah but NZ was the first country to give women the vote ;) so I have been told ;) and now look where it's got us repeatedly ;) where's that? I've heard about the hospitality in NZ heh a friend of mine jusg came back from there He travelled around the country by hackjacking hitchhiking? yeah ;) he almost didn't spend a dime who the heck calls it hackjacking? dunno hitchjicking first time i heard it called that well you got the idea me too my mistake . all right? HEH Action: chillywilly was just wondering if that was a colloquialism heeh Well, there's a good album by roger waters (ex pink floyd's). called the pros and cons of hitchicking hehe heheh Action: chillywilly kicks cc++ rdean (~rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-098-091.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean! chillywilly! rdean! heey ........Do you use Pythonwin? I cant seem to be able to find an option to wrap text in the window Maniac! ii can't eject my cdrom drive i'm not happy (yes winders don't shoot me) use the little release thing the pin hole thing ;) it has a red light on blah who cares ;) and you press the button labelled "eject" and.... NOTHING jst don't look at the laserbeam ;) Maniac: press the power button on the front of the computer ajmitch: hmmm, right it's frustrating hmmm changing topic... Microsoft bought Navision and Great Plains M$ passed GE as the mst profitable comapny or something the other day what other options are left for ERP in SMBs in the windows enviroments most profitable or most sales? I dun recall exactly hence the "or something" ;) ah ic Action: chillywilly feels a bit tired and my program is not finding the stuff I hacked into cc++ boo Action: Maniac has to *cough* reboot to fix this Maniac (~User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" does python run on Novell? rdean (~rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-098-091.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" esands (~nic@mdr1-port10.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: "TE) (Swing them udders" Maniac (~User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. probably not a native client, or remote curses, or web browser would work tho hmmm chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" Are there works for the release of version 0.5.0 of the recent released GNUe apps? jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). 0.4.0 was just released hehe I know what release are you talking about? I haven't been able to test them in windows I mean, for when is the next release due hmm... I'm not sure if someone has produced a fix or workaround for the designer and navigator bugs.. dneighbo (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "CGI:IRC 0.5 (EOF)" the forms client works Maniac (~User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) yes That's the only one I've seen running yet I'm not sure of the status of that. but designer and navigator are coming along well. good --- Thu Oct 17 2002