Nick change: dtm -> ddttmm ddttmm: werd wihrd Nick change: ddttmm -> dtm what does dtm expand to? I thought your last name was Bethe ;) that is correct it doesn't expand to anything! it's just a unique tla! so dtm is not your initials then? correct just something i picked when i entered ksu.edu Action: chillywilly 's initials make hima 'deb' package ;) i thought about it for like the whole preceding year right on I was born to run debian ;) hah excellent It is your..... desssssssssstinyyyyyyyy. w000t! ahahaha << mechanized breathing apparatus sound >> Action: ajmitch laughs & laughs until he falls down asdfasdf (~asdfasdf@adsl-66.218.46.51.dslextreme.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly looks at ajmitch with an inquisitive eye you know what man? LOTR rules! Action: ajmitch pokes the eye asdfasdf: aloha ok ouch! how-dee. asdfasdf == rsb of OST Action: ajmitch wanders off into the outer darkness Action: chillywilly knew Gandalf was still alive ah, it is rsb, the legend Action: dtm orders ajmitch to pay homage *tee hee* Action: chillywilly is upu to Book I - Chapter 7 of The Two Towers Action: ajmitch says a rude word to dtm denied! see at least he has the kahonies to se his *real* initials ;) s/se/use/ heheheheh he's got a pair like grape fruits man....I dunno how he walks around ;) is derek around? maybe it is a possibility it is also possible that he will fly out of my butt Action: chillywilly jst got here not too long ago asdfasdf: let's hope not ;) not a strong possibility you would enjoy that entirely too much ;) I think I'm having a mid-project crisis (not relating to my ass) I have the sudden urge to just dump all my projects and move to hawaii. so do it run as far away from dtm as you can Well, that's why it's a crisis, dan keeps pulling me back in. ahh with the lure of fast money ? Just when you think you've got out! He keeps pulling me back in!!!! evil, isn't he? A little gangster movie allusion there. Quite. Action: chillywilly heas heard thay *somewhere* before ;) Acutally, I'm not getting anywhere with my free software projects because I just don't have the time to do everything I want to do. It's rather frustrating. join the club I think I went about it the wrong way. just empty your bank account & run tempting actually, money is part of it. the solution is simple you just need to do more in less time ;) ah yea chillywilly: how is your hacking going? I probably could have retired by now if I didn't have this urge to work this stuff into my business. that'll be $1,000 consulting fee thanks First you have to tell me how to do more in less time, and don't say meth. ajmitch: slow ;) asdfasdf: that was actually a reference to thsi goofy radio commercial they setup a scenario that they hired this "consultant" to help bost productivity boost then he says that line it's funny ha meth won't do it for you Sounds like a two bobs clone they ask the same question you asked and he keeps repeating variantions of the same thing ajmitch: I've considered it seriously i think that it would slow down your productivity significantly and then the lady goes "Adn we pay you for this?" And sometimes you get more done when you've got less to do ajmitch: That's true. I am looking to dump a few things, but more projects keep popping up. It's project fire sale time. you have to tell yourself you can't do them all and just pick the ones that you care about the most thus keeping your load down But I'm PROJECT MANNNN! i know that i can never do more than 1 or 2 serious projects Action: chillywilly installs GNU/Linux in his brain to take advantage of the multi-tasking I have no choice with some of them. I always have about 6 or 7 projects going at work, but what I can do is leave that mess to work hours, and then have one or two outside work. asdfasdf: can you hear that? Problem is I have about 100 outside work. Hear what? asdfasdf: it the world's smallest violin playing just for you ;) I thought that's what it was. Could also have been one of these damn mosquitos. Action: chillywilly goes back to reading as it is almost beddy bye time reading The Two Tower that is ;) Towers Here's a sometimes controversial comment to keep you awake: No fully GNU system can exist. Well, o.k. it can, but not practically speaking. the Hurd does indeed run depends what you mean by 'fully GNU' True, but on an Intel processor That processor is a representation of someone's code at Intel, and it's proprietary. The chips in your hard drive are similarly designed. The BIOS, the firmware, etc. all proprietary. So how much should we complain if a card has non-GNU firmware on it? Non-GNU firmware that loads at runtime from a hard drive? Non-GNU drivers? These are all shades of non-GNU-ness Practically speaking, GNU will never have the patents necessary to make it happen. There will always be some shade of GNU. Well, I'm crashing out. TTYL. asdfasdf (~asdfasdf@adsl-66.218.46.51.dslextreme.com) left #gnuenterprise. Yeah. See? He shut YOU guys up! ;) h0h0 j/k dtm: you are at ksu.edu? Nick change: jcWork -> jcater jcater! he was :) what a small world ok jcater has massive amnesia :) jcater: remember when we started a channel to rant about the physics and math administratoin, and Jeff the BOFH? no ok well maybe i'tll come back to ya are you sure you aren't thinking of jamest ? whuh well i guess so! he's the ksu.edu dude jcater: when i saw jcWork i confused that with jt ah hehe Sacha_away (~Sacha@dialup-196-58.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jcater@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "nite" Nick change: Sacha_away -> SachaS Action: derek is away: sleep esands_ (~nic@mdr1-port10.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch_ (~me@wlg1-port20.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-58.wasp.net.au) got netsplit. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port20.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. 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Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) mdupont (mdupont@p5080E14E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hey there, any ideas about how to setup a user for GNUE, just got it running, the form designer looks nice but it wants a userid and password raise GDataObjects.ConnectionError, "Error loging into appserver" DB000: gnue.common.GDataObjects.ConnectionError: Error loging into appserver ninja (rossg@rosstest.dial.nildram.co.uk) got netsplit. pattieja_ (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) got netsplit. dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) got netsplit. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port20.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. IsoosI (dahoose@port-219-88-246-12.jet.net.nz) got netsplit. sfb- (mattr@chew.exelus.net) got netsplit. fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) got netsplit. nickr (~panphage@e-64-35-146-236.empnet.net) got netsplit. ninja (rossg@rosstest.dial.nildram.co.uk) returned to #gnuenterprise. pattieja_ (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port20.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. IsoosI (dahoose@port-219-88-246-12.jet.net.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. nickr (~panphage@e-64-35-146-236.empnet.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. sfb- (mattr@chew.exelus.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. mdupont: you saw my questions? :) dtm ([YdUiiN5Ft@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) got netsplit. dtm ([YdUiiN5Ft@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch: no, sorry, where? [23:39:23] hey there, any ideas about how to setup a user for GNUE, just got it running, the form designer looks nice [23:39:55] what sort of user? where? :) [23:42:06] is this for appserver testing, or otherwise? I guess I have to setup a data source, and server. the username & password depend on the data source used which are defined in connections.conf appserver I got the cvs install, the gacvs yeah ok, I will check connections.conf ~/gnue/etc... ok i see thanks mdupont (mdupont@p5080E14E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "gotta clean up my house..." Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (rossg@rosstest.dial.nildram.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection siesel (jan@dial-213-168-64-193.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. btami_ (~btami@195.228.11.132) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all siese: i'v just sended you an enhanced connection.gfd s/siese/siesel with a dropdown provider field Nick change: btami_ -> btami but there is an error in designer when it saves forms, it puts the database tag at the bottom of the gfd and the saved form fails when loading with gfclient jcater (~jcater@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jcater morning man, the gnu mail servers must've been backed yo Just checked my mail and had a lot of emails dated Wed, Thu, and Fri. jcater: have you some time for GNUe-ing? later today I will I'm on my way out at the moment ok siesel (jan@dial-213-168-64-193.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) btami (~btami@195.228.11.132) left irc: SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-58.wasp.net.au) left irc: "Client Exiting" siesel (jan@dial-194-8-205-103.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. jan [09:56] Last message repeated 3 time(s). yo chillywilly ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. yo yo yo wassup ToyMan siesel (jan@dial-194-8-205-103.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-191-161.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey dneighbo_ this thing is finally rising to the top of the list helps that I found some tutorials on doing postgres in bsd.. ninja (~rossg@rossg.gotadsl.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (~rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-098-167.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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I was wondering about the integrator there's a little code for it in cvs but not much it's at least something to work with :) yeah, I was just wondering if it would use something like that siesel (~chatzilla@port225.waldbroel.ndh.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello siesel jan jan he's our man if he can't do it nobody can ;) Action: chillywilly is away: sweetest day shoppin' Action: siesel wish cw: good shopping siesel (~chatzilla@port225.waldbroel.ndh.net) left irc: "l8r" btami_ (~btami@3e70d725.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Nick change: btami_ -> btami jcater: i have problems, OOo1.0.1 doesn't recognizes *.sxw files :( rdean-away (~rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-098-167.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) btami (~btami@3e70d725.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean-away (~rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-102-194.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:47:36) Action: dneighbo_ is back (gone 11:37:18) Nick change: dneighbo_ -> derek derek: shmerek hello sup g mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone know of a good IM system for internal use in a company that can also support on-line interactive tech support? jabber ;) example: user visits www.gnue-goats.org and goes to support, clicks on real time chat, is connected privately to next available support person or why not install an ircd oh hmmm i've installed jabber but it doesn't seem to give me the second 1/2 a private connection? yeah hmmm i click on it, it opens a java based chat client on the window....and contacts some tech person not already busy you would think there would be some way to make it work like that\ we'll call that tech person uber'chilly yea, RR has that on their web site althoght anytime I want to talk to someone who has a clue it is not one of the people who I chat with ;) RR? Road Runner Reading Rainbow? Time Warner ah :) I wanted to report one of their email servers boucing mails from an IP (me) in theor own domain and the person was like uuuuh? a chilly specific mail filter man, you musta really got to them :) cause they are in a round robin configuration so sometimes I would get an smtp server that would bitch slap me heh Action: chillywilly is hungry jamest: i think jabber can do the second half as i thought perhaps jabber could work with irc i.e. its my understanding that jabber can talk to irc daemons so if the chat was really irc based in some way you would just need it so a pool of people could share a jabber id but all could use jabber clients and it would do round robin on it hmmmm but only if they are "avilable"...so perhaps it gets a bit customized thats an idea maybe if every supposrt person had their own channel adn the user limit is 2 ;) or just private channels still seems you would need specialized behavior i'd go dcc chat like an ircd that connects you to the next available private channel so you could send things like screenshots the ichat protocol is very interesting where a friendly tech support person is waiting to assist you friendly tech support person? hmmm or you go into a channel and a bot sends a dcc connect to the person and hooks them up with a support beotch do they exist? HAH! that is irrelevant to the convo ;) it base 64 encodes jabber messages in a xml property list I was thinking it would be nice to have a single id which gets multicast where the front line tags things as simple tough impossible and then you could have different opinions and some sort of chaos un-tag foo I think that might become one of the things on the before I die list reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) was working on it last week and using random unused ports might be helpful they sort of work in the chaos port 5353 i think no auth reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: rdean-away -> rdean-yawa considering that I have a single computer and that i route normally, it isn't very useful to me at the moment but if everybody used dhcp w/ ddns or some legacy hello world message er dyndns so where do we cut the line bewteen enterprise and enterprise? oh yeah gnu psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. gah, mailing lists have exploded This may mean a rather large KC #52 reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" ninja (~rossg@rossg.gotadsl.co.uk) left irc: "Client Exiting" Anyway, KC 51 to get sent off first ;-) Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-86-31.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. Text on front page changed, as per derek and jcater discussion earlier this week if people don't like it, shout and I'll change it back Just basically being a bit more explicit re . current status hi Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-86-31.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.7 -- Are we there yet?" ninja (rossg@rosstest.dial.nildram.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ajmitch Action: ajmitch reads #50 :) 51 should be up RSN or at any rate in time for jcater's Sun am reading time for bed... psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. ninja (rossg@rosstest.dial.nildram.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Remosi (dahoose@port-219-88-247-71.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: derek is away: I'm busy siesel (~chatzilla@port232.waldbroel.ndh.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi siesel IsoosI (dahoose@port-219-88-246-12.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) asdfasdf (~asdfasdf@adsl-66.218.46.51.dslextreme.com) joined #gnuenterprise. 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IsoosI (dahoose@port-219-88-246-55.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) jamest: you here? dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue$ cvs -z9 $GNUECVS update -Pd cvs [update aborted]: reading appserver/grpc/GEAS.grpc: Too many levels of symbolic links dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue$ this seems really ugly hey derek you getting that too? you're needed in #dotgnu to talk about dcl & gnue, btw ;) im gonna try to check out gnue er new siesel (~chatzilla@port232.waldbroel.ndh.net) left irc: KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. hello ;) hi ajmitch: hi I was hoping to find the latest kernel cousin i think psu ran out of gas and went to bed he said it would be ready in the morning he submitted it tho US time just has to wait for it to appear on the site out of gas ;) dyfet (~dyfet@dsl-65-188-113-57.telocity.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) left irc: "making toys" derek: rm -rf your appserver dir and try again it's been doing that in the appserver dir for at least a few weeks and it returns... yeah hi dyfet hi! jamest: i already fixed it, just we need to REALLY fix it :) is the new website in CVS? I think I might look into computer forensics. I guess it just takes some hardware skills and some specialized software. wayneg (~merlinx@ppp1051.qld.padsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) http://www.gnuenterprise.org/docs/GNUe-SuSE-HOWTO.html for anyone running SuSE thank arjen mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) dyfet (~dyfet@dsl-65-188-113-57.telocity.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" zzzzzzeee you later zzz KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left irc: "later" and so they start to fall --- Sun Oct 20 2002