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<mdupont> Hello Enterprisers
Action: ajmitch awakens ;P
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<ajmitch> hey psu
<psu> hi
<psu> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20021019_51.html
<psu> is up 
<ajmitch> reading it already ;)
<psu> ajmitch made headquote this week ;-)
<ajmitch> oh crap...
<ajmitch> hehehe
<psu> derek: SusE doc looks fine based on 2 mins
<psu> I will look at properly & close DCL log later
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<Rama> Greetings !
<ratmice> de nada 
<Rama> I'd like to say that the GNUe packages will be part of the next version of GNUWin , in a few days from now
<Rama> (The information that was published on the GNUe web site was a little be anticipation :P )
<ratmice> they sure need a us mirror 
<Rama> if anyone knows where we cold have one... please feel free to write ¨:)
<Rama> I think that University of Texas is about to set one up
<ratmice> i'm willing to mirror it here I only use it half a day a day
<Rama> ratmice : well, you can write to gnuwin@epfl.ch then, we'll be delighted
Action: ratmice admires the contrib
<Rama> reaction immediate: "they sure need a us mirror"
<Rama> ooops, sorry, wrong window ! ^^;;
<ratmice> true tho
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<Rama> ratmice : ivoChrist who just ogged on is one of the coordinators of the GNUWin project... if you want to talk about mirrors... :)
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<siesel> hi
<ivoChrist> Hi
<chillywilly> hey
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<psu> hi crazymike
<crazymike> hi psu
<psu> how goes the GNU/Linux adventures?
<psu> Has chillywilly got you fitted up yet (either sense)?
<chillywilly> his mail is b0rked now for some reason
<psu> this means he is spared the 50+ mails already this week on the GNUe lists
<psu> ;-)
<psu> meanwhile, IRC seems fairly dead
<psu> are we becoming *shudder* a mailing-list-orientated project?
Action: psu is away: I'm busy
<chillywilly> I don't think he's sbscribed to gnue lists
<jcater> oooo
<jcater> I have one correction for the KC
<jcater> reportlabs is not free software
<jcater> their PDF library is
<jcater> but their reporting framework is not
<chillywilly> there's a new KC?
<jcater> yip
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<psu> Hmm 
<chillywilly> it's a short one ;)
<psu> I'll fix that later
<psu> chillywilly: most of the mail threads got bumped to #52 
<psu> as they are still "ongoing"
<psu> anyway
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<chillywilly> hey reinhard
<reinhard> hey chillywilly
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<chillywilly> peeeee essssseeee yeeeeeew
<psu> I said i'd bbl and I am ;-)
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<chillywilly> and I am still reading The Two Towers
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> 2nd book of The Lord of the Rings :)
Action: psu read the whole of LOTR in a week when I was 13(?) during school holidays
<psu> Mind, that's *all* I did that week
<stefano> Hello
<psu> hi stefano
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<chillywilly> yea I could read it night and day
<stefano> I live in Italy and you?
<chillywilly> I read the hobbit a long time ago...jst never got around to reading LOTR
<psu> hi stefano. I'm in England
<stefano> Well. 
<psu> chillywilly: I think when you read it as an adult, you get a lot more out of it
<psu> it == LOTR 
<stefano> Sorry but my english is very bad
<psu> stefano: your English is better than my Italian ;-)
<stefano> Try !!
<stefano> But you are a gnue user
<stefano> ?
<psu> yes
<stefano> I try to work with gnue but I have many troubles
<psu> Are you using Microsoft Windows or GNU/Linux?
<stefano> Both
<stefano> Now with linux
<stefano> I am very happy to can ask help.
<stefano> Now I must go off but tomorrow I will write here. Bye
<psu> no problem
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<esands_> psu: Just to clarify #51:20, I miss 'read' ajmitch's sentense. Yes the GST system in Australia (there) is "even weirder" than New Zealand (here). I missed the "there" bit of his sentense
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<psu> esands: noted ;-)
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<siesel> hi hi
<chillywilly> yo yo
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<ajmitch> hi all
<siesel> hi ajmitch
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<ajmitch> hmm, it'll be interesting to have python, perl, ruby & C# compiled & running on the same VM :)
<siesel> quite easy, try plex86 ;)
<ajmitch> no, same VM where you can call methods & objects done in other languages
Action: siesel was j/k
<ajmitch> remember parrot?
<siesel> I saw someone named it yesterday, but I dunno what it is
<ajmitch> it's going to be the VM for perl 6
<ajmitch> and the goal is to run python & ruby on it as well
<siesel> that would be cool
<siesel> the perl guys could use gnue-common :)
<ajmitch> yeah, rhys is writing another codegen backend for pnet to compile to parrot bytecode :)
<ajmitch> so stuff written in C# could also use gnue-common :)
<siesel> super cool. btw. what about your plans of rewriting gnurpc in c#
<ajmitch> still going ahead
<ajmitch> once i get rid of these exams :)
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<chillywilly> hi derek
<derek> hi
<ajmitch> hello masta
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<jcater> hehe
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<derek> hi EnigmaX
<derek> how is olathe?
<EnigmaX> good
<esands> Anyone looked at payroll software?  These guys look like they have done some design work (http://epayroll.sourceforge.net/dbdesign.gif). Maybe Gnue can borrow it. ;)
<derek> um
<EnigmaX> derek: did you live here?
<derek> esands: are you for real?
<derek> EnigmaX: no lots of relatives do though
<derek> so we make it back occassionaly
<esands> what you mean? Am I some fake person or bot or something?
<derek> esands: the maintainer of that package contacted me just yesterday
<EnigmaX> derek: I have some relatives in sedona
<derek> saying he wanted gnue to pickup on his work :)
<derek> sedona is nicer than olathe :)
<esands> heh.  
<EnigmaX> by far
<ajmitch> hey esands
<ajmitch> esands: i was looking thru twiki stuff & noticed your name :)
<esands> Certainly looks like a good one to pick up. I'm about to install it and try it out.  I also saw this one: http://sandsurfer.sourceforge.net/.  Doesn't look as polished
<derek> um
<derek> fwiw acclite does payroll
<derek> its part of gnue today :)
<esands> Yes, haven't done much work on the twiki project for a while.  You can guess why I have have pushed it previous though.  
<esands> But is it a nice payroll system?
<ajmitch> derek: yeah, what's happening with acclite? :)
<derek> hopefully jcagter will be around to disucss after the worldseries game is over
<jcater> my friends call me jcater
Action: jcater wonder why derek isn't?
<jcater> :)
<jcater> wonders even
<esands> Although I was doing some work on acclite to get it actually going for use, I stopped.  Code is really bad and I've got half a house under construction at present.  Enough headaches. 8)
<derek> roflmao
<derek> esands: i was mistaken not epayroll guy that emailed but rather openpayroll guy
<esands> On sf as well?
<EnigmaX> what would you guys suggest using for a government accounting package?
<ajmitch> hey jcater, EnigmaX :)
<jcater> hi ajmitch
<mdean-[DCL]> jcater!!!
<jcater> no!
<derek> wow i need to play with sourceforge more
<jcater> I didn;t do it!
<derek> looks like we have LOTS of competition now
<ajmitch> uh oh
<mdean-[DCL]> oh, ok
<derek> EnigmaX: acclite
<esands> derek: you got a link for openrayroll.  Google is a bit board
<derek> ;)
<ajmitch> is that a good thing, derek? :)
Action: derek cant find a link esands
<ajmitch> what sort of competition do you mean?
<jcater> mdean-[DCL]: long time, no chat
<derek> here was the mail i got
<derek> -----------------
<derek> Greetings!
<derek> I have stopped using Intuit "QuickBooks" for my bookkeeping and
<derek> payroll this year, 2002. I initiated an "open source" project with
<derek> SourceForge called Open-Payroll at about the same time - December
<derek> 2001 and January 2002. I have not made much progress on my payroll
<derek> project. I have a good bit of experience with small business payroll
<derek> in Alaska, US. I have developed a spread sheet using gnumeric to do
<esands> derek: What's the guys name then
<derek> the calculations and I use gnucash to do the bookkeeping. This is a
<derek> very painful situation. I want to get moving again on developing a
<derek> real solution. So, what is happening regarding the Payroll module in
<derek> the Human Resources department?
<derek> -------------
<esands> Got it
<esands> http://open-payroll.sourceforge.net/
<mdean-[DCL]> jcater: ja - been a little while
<derek> i would like to work with the epayroll guys
<derek> as they ahve data dictionary
<derek> which is about all we need to get something working fast :)
<esands> open payroll doesn't look functional yet either
<esands> Certainly doesn't have a nice data design doc on their website. 8) 
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> trips me out
<esands> Hmm: " CVS Repository ( 0 commits, 0 adds ) "  Very bad sign.
<jcater> epayroll --> Made with PGP and MySQL
Action: jcater throws his hands up in disbelief
<jcater> s/PGP/PHP
<esands> Why?  If it works, and its not like payroll is a db intensive problem
Action: jamest wouldn't want his payroll handled by mysql
<ajmitch> jamest: better than MS SQL server, right? :)
<jamest> or GNUe
<jamest> good lord could you imagine the horror
<jcater> dude
<jcater> I'd LOVE for NCS' payroll to be handled
<jcater> by GNUe
<jcater> could you imagine!
<jcater> <CFO> Man, payroll was higher than normal this month
<jamest> pre-commit trigger
<esands> Mysql doesn't have data loss problems does it?  Other that atomic.
<jamest>   if emp_name="jcater"
<jamest>     pay=pay*pay
<ajmitch> haha
<jcater> dude!
<jcater> that'd put me up to 
<jcater> um
<jcater> $100
<jcater> wow!
<jcater> I need to try that
<ajmitch> per month?
<jcater> we get paid biweekly
<jcater> :)
<jamest> hey honey!  We can use the rull packet of seasoning in the ramen tonight!
<jamest> s/rull/full
<jcater> babe! get out the dixie plates... we gonna eat good tunite
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<esands> derek: Looks like you chatted with the sandsurfer people back in 12Dec2001
<derek> ?
<derek> you both are full of it
<derek> jcater: honey you can order the 9 piece stead of the 6 piece tonight
<derek> ;)
<jcater> roflmao
<derek> chicken strips that is
<jcater> sad that I get the analogy right off :)
Action: derek just wants to add some realism to it
Action: derek wonders semi outloudly how close the cater bookstore is to the nearest chicken strip serving establishment
<jcater> .1 miles
<derek> which one?
<jcater> Sonic
Action: derek suspects buying stock in it, might be a good bet
<jcater> which tastes nasty to me
<jcater> but she is an equal opportunity chicken eater
<derek> rofl
<derek> only kind of bad chicken tender is one not eaten eh
<derek> that is my theory w/ pizza
<jcater> only bad chicken tender is one that's not breaded and fried
<jcater> is more like it
<derek> anyone here using wireless on debian?
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<derek> man bonds is one bad son of a peter murphy
<derek> jcater what do you use for print serving again?
<jcater> lprng
<esands> cups is nicer
<esands> At least I find the web interface very useful
<jcater> I never said it was the best
<jcater> he just asked what I use :)
<jcater> I've heard cups is better too
<jcater> but I have lprng working on all my servers, so probably won't switch anytime soon
<derek> grrrr
<derek> it shows my printer in the driver list but gives me errors if i select it
<derek> i remember this problem from before
<esands> Yeah I moved from lprng to cups. Was a good good thing to do.  There is a lpr comp daemon for cups as well
<EnigmaX> I noticed cups would cut off some of the bottom of the page that lprng wouldn't
<derek> jcater on the 'remote' computer
<derek> er client
<EnigmaX> on the laserjet 2100 and 2200s
<esands> EnigmaX: different print driver?
<derek> do you need to define the printer type?
<EnigmaX> nope
<esands> strange.  Never noticed anything like that
<EnigmaX> do you have any 2100 or 2200s printing with the jetdirect cards?
<EnigmaX> it didn't do it on the 4000 4050 or 5000 i noticed
<esands> No, just 1200 with jetdirect cards
<esands> I just got a 3330, but that has a 1200 engine.
<EnigmaX> is that a top feed? like the 1100?
<esands> Mostly cups prints raw serving windows desktops. 
<esands> 1100 wasn't made my HP. The 1200 is tray feed. PCL6/PS.  Very nice cheap workgroup printer.
<EnigmaX> is that why the 1100 sucked?
<esands> Definitely. I was really surprise how crap the 1100. Given HP are generally good with lasers.  My one broke after hardy any use:- rollers gave out
<EnigmaX> HP got sued over all there older top feed printers, you can request a fix kit from them
<EnigmaX> i forgot the super long website
<EnigmaX> it's like hpclassactionlawsuit.somelawfirm.com
<EnigmaX> it actually fixes the misfeed problems
<derek> what is
<derek> Status: lp: Check_for_missing files: lp: no permission to print at 15:32:39.563?
<derek> when doing a status of jobs in queue
<derek> in lprngtool
<esands> Maybe I'll call HP service.  google is not helping. 
<jcater> derek: did you just set up the server?
<derek> um nope
<derek> here is deal
<derek> it was working fine
<derek> for all machines
<derek> then i got a new firewall/gateway
<derek> which was dhcp and assigned all new ip addresses
<derek> and now i cant print
<derek> i added new ip addresses into hosts.lpd
<derek> and all my dns entries point to proper ips
<jcater> ah
<derek> i restarted lprng
<esands> tcpwrap?
<derek> but am not having much luck
<derek> i dont have X on the server
<jcater> edit /etc/lprng/lpd.perms
<jcater> when we set this up
<jcater> I'm sure we added a line something like
<jcater> REJECT SERVICE=X NOT REMOTEIP=192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 127.0.0.1
<jcater> see if it's still valid w/your scheme
<derek> nope no such line
<jcater> there has to be something
<jcater> even if it's REJECT NOT SERVER
<jcater> or something
<derek> gack
<derek> its there
<derek> just had to wade through oodles of ##
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> confusing file
<derek> um
<esands> I'm playing around with epayroll.  Its good, but lack some features. Plus still needs some finish work. Its probably a .99 not a 1.1 product.
<derek> my ip block is 192.168.0.XXX
<derek> which is what is in the file
<derek> it used to be 192.168.100.XXX (i think)
<derek> which is any wonder it used to work at all
<derek> ok i can ssh -X to the server and run lprngtool and get it to fester up a test page
<derek> so its definitely a problem with the client not getting to the server (whether it be because of rights or something else)
Action: derek isnt allowed to code until this is fixed (wife mandate) ;)
Action: derek shouldnt have that here, now chances of jcater helping are slim to none ;)
<jcater> so
<derek> um wife is making work on a gnue roadmap until this thing is fixed, yeah thats it ;)
<jcater> was your lpd.perms file right or not?
Action: derek doesnt know :)
<jcater> are the clients dns or /etc/hosts resolvable?
<derek> REJECT SERVICE=X NOT REMOTEIP=192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 127.0.0.1
<jcater> looks good
<derek> is what is says the client machine is 192.168.0.101 and the server is 192.168.0.102
<jcater> well, the first hings I can think of are
<derek> if i ping carpine(server) from aegagrus(client) i get 192.168.0.102 as a response  (which i expect)
<jcater> 1. that line in lpd.perms (which looks good)
<jcater> 2. 192.168.0.101 needs to be in /etc/hosts
<jcater> 3. 192.168.0.101 needs to be in /etc/hosts.lpd
Action: jcater is trying to think if there's anything more
<jcater> and possibly /etc/hosts.allow
<jcater> depending on your setup
<derek> hosts.allow is blank
<derek> and has always been blank
<derek> so im thinking that isnt an issue
<derek> but not sure
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<jcater> I didn't think it'd be hosts.allow
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> I remember last time you had to do a cold restart of your server for all this to work
<jcater> :)
<esands> How about /etc/hosts.deny? Does reverse dns resolve correctly?
<jcater> not sure why though
<derek> doh
<derek> hosts.deny has
<derek> ALL: PARANOID
<esands> Yeah, debian default.
<esands> Have you tried telnet to the printer port from the client?
<derek> wait wrong machine
<esands> What about the print server logs?
<derek> that error i pasted before
<derek> check_for_missing files: lp: no permissions to print
<derek> in lpr.log on server
<jcater> just to make sure, run checkpc on the server
<esands> http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/services/netzdienste/email/email-archive/lprngAlprng.com/msg07418.html
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<jcater> dumb question....
<jcater> but why didn't you program your firewall to use your old subnet?
<laurie> carpine:~# checkpc
<laurie> carpine:~# 
<esands> what does 'host 192.168.0.102' and 'host 192.168.0.101' give?
<laurie> um not sure it was an option
<laurie> i.e. this is a firewall 'appliance'
<esands> from who?
<laurie> d-link
<laurie> i think it is an option
<laurie> but at the time i wasnt sure
<laurie> i have everything working BUT printing
<laurie> so i really dont want to switch bck
<laurie> er back
<laurie> though wireless doesnt work properly (the whole reason for the flipping switch)
<laurie> so willl try another wireless card and if sucks will likely go back to old setup
Action: laurie is sure this is a dumb permissions issue
<laurie>  i just dont know where
<laurie> btw: host doesnt work
<laurie> i dont have that command
<laurie> bash: host: command not found
<esands> Don't you run an internal DNS?
<laurie> esands: no
<laurie> im all about simple
<laurie> i was told dhcp is so wondderful....
<laurie> and i kept saying with under 5 computers in same room it seems like overkill
<laurie> and so finally with new firewall i made the switch
<laurie> and honestly its been nothing but a headache
<esands> It is if things are set up correctly. DNS is rather important in unix world. Even for small networks. /etc/host is good only to your patiences.
<laurie> i wish i would have never listened 
<jcater> it's a life saver for more than a few machines
<laurie> jcater: i agree 100%
<jcater> but under 5 is probably not worth it
<laurie> im not saying dhcp sucks
<esands> 'dig' maybe?
Action: jcater hopes he wasn't the one who suggested it
<jcater> :)
<laurie> im saying for 5 machines its like water the yard with a high pressure firehose
<esands> apt-get install host
<laurie> no thanks
<laurie> me doesnt think thats the problem
<jcater> um
<jcater> well
<laurie> aegagrus:/home/laurie# ping carpine
<laurie> PING carpine.com (192.168.0.102): 56 data bytes
<laurie> 64 bytes from 192.168.0.102: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.8 ms
<laurie> 64 bytes from 192.168.0.102: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.5 ms
<jcater> that's actually turned out to be my problems
<jcater> when I have issues w/lprng
<jcater> it turns out ips weren't resolving like I thought
<laurie> and 192.168.0.102 is the address of the server (carpine) so im thinking things should be ok
<esands> If you are using dhcp, maybe their is a mismatch between the reverse and forward dns lookups at the print server from the client you are having issues with
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