and in lprngtool im even giving it the ip address so if its using dns its fscked in the head ALL: PARANOID tcpwrap. You sshing from a different machine? ? than the problem client? i can ssh from the client to the server no problem even by name hmm, then its probably not reverse dns. Install CUPs time. Then I can probably help you. ;) carpine:~# lpq Printer: lp@carpine Queue: no printable jobs in queue Server: no server active Status: lp: Check_for_missing files: lp: no permission to print at 16:03:35.538 Rank Owner/ID Class Job Files Size Time done root@carpine+443 A 443 /usr/share/lprngtool/t 627 15:41:56 carpine:~# gack why does it say Server: no server active but i can test print on the server? when i send the job from client to server and run lpq on server carpine:~# lpq Printer: lp@carpine Queue: no printable jobs in queue Server: no server active Status: lp: Check_for_missing files: lp: no permission to print at 16:02:12.190 Rank Owner/ID Class Job Files Size Time incoming root@carpine+836 A 836 /usr/share/lprngtool/tes 0 16:03:23 done root@carpine+443 A 443 /usr/share/lprngtool/t 627 15:41:56 is what i get first i.e. it shows incoming but then carpine:~# lpq Printer: lp@carpine Queue: no printable jobs in queue Server: no server active Status: lp: Check_for_missing files: lp: no permission to print at 16:03:35.538 Rank Owner/ID Class Job Files Size Time done root@carpine+443 A 443 /usr/share/lprngtool/t 627 15:41:56 carpine:~# is what i end up with esands: i have tried cups likee 10 times it sux wind to configure and everyone who sings its praises runs off 5 minutes after i start to install it and im left cleaning up the mess heh Works for me. Didn't take that long to install. installing is a breeze conffiguring is impossible There is an install with samba though. I just use the printing = sysv instead of cups option configuration is trival. I found Where is find problems with configuration in cups? I can add a printer in 10s. er s/Where is/Where do you find/ no server active seems to be the default display: http://www.sunsite.ualberta.ca/Documentation/Misc/LPRng-3.5.2/LPRng-HOWTO-13.html > Check your lpd.perms file in $PREFIX/etc. It seems as if you are not > giving the user who is attempting to print the appropriate permissions. I > have seen this message before and I believe that is the only way to cause > it to appear. http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/services/netzdienste/email/email-archive/lprngAlprng.com/msg07413.html jcater no further words of wisdom Action: jcater is googling perms maybe ident user based? i commented out that line and restarted and tried again and no luck the REJECT SERVICE line How about commenting everything except: DEFAULT ACCEPT Action: jcater still thinks it's related to ip-resolution jcater it likely could be tell me what to do to give you more info on the host, have you ping'd the client what does that return as the resolution? ah crikey ? fscking ssh i thought i changed this but i was in wrong term window :) How about commenting out ALL:PARANOID and trying that laurie: was that "ah crikey" a realization of a problem? or did you spill something? kind of hosts file on server was wrong i thought i changed it but i changed the one on the client twice :) heh i hate dhcp as all the friggen numbers change i have things resolving on server but still have issues it appears aegagrus:/home/laurie# ping carpine PING carpine.com (192.168.0.101): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.0.101: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=13.4 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.101: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.5 ms Reverse dns names dont match? carpine:/etc/lprng# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:C0:0C:60:0F:A0 inet addr:192.168.0.101 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 carpine:/etc/lprng# ping aegagrus PING aegagrus (192.168.0.100): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.0.100: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=3.4 ms aegagrus:/home/laurie# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:06:F7:23:BD inet addr:192.168.0.100 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 just for sanity that looks correct right? PING carpine.com (192.168.0.101): 56 data bytes that looks troublesome ok aegagrus:/home/laurie# ping carpine PING carpine (192.168.0.101): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.0.101: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=7.9 ms carpine == server? or client?? carpine == server ok looks good so far fixed that and reran still no dice restarted lpd? err lprng? Did yoy try changing ALL: PARANOID to ALL: ALLOW in hosts.deny carpine:/etc/lprng# /etc/init.d/lprng restart Restarting printer spooler: lprng. carpine:/etc/lprng# I would add ALL: ALLOW to hosts.allow not hosts.deny I don't know if that matters or not but I do have that on my servers at work (or a version of that) thing is that shouldn't have changed from your old setup Yeah i can do that, BUT it worked before w/o that hosts.deny gets check after hosts.allow Status: lp: Check_for_missing files: lp: no permission to print at 16:13 but hosts.allow overrides I have never changed host.deny but my settings in host.allow get honored is the line that has me goofed um can we see your printcap? :) sure how true /etc/printcap aegagrus:/home/laurie# less /etc/printcap ##LPRNGTOOL## REMOTE lp :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp :sh :mx=0 :af=/var/spool/lpd/lp/acct :ml=0 :lf=/var/spool/lpd/lp/log :cd=/var/spool/lpd/lp/ :lp=pr@carpine : aegagrus:/home/laurie# and if you ping carpine on that machine, it points to the server's ip? oooo aegagrus:/home/laurie# ping carpine PING carpine (192.168.0.101): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.0.101: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.7 ms what does your printcap in carpine look like? # /etc/printcap: printer capability database. See printcap(5). # You can use the filter entries df, tf, cf, gf etc. for # your own filters. See /etc/filter.ps, /etc/filter.pcl and # the printcap(5) manual page for further details. # rlp|Remote printer entry # :lp= # :rm=remotehost # :rp=remoteprinter # :sd=/var/spool/lpd/remote # :mx#0 # :sh: ##LPRNGTOOL## LOCAL uniprint NAxNA letter {} U_HPDeskjet840 cdj550 1 lp :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp :sh :mx=0 :af=/var/spool/lpd/lp/acct :ml=0 :lf=/var/spool/lpd/lp/log :cd=/var/spool/lpd/lp/ :lp=/dev/lp0 :if=/usr/share/lprngtool/master-filter : ok.... shouldn't: :lp=pr@carpine be :lp=lp@carpine ? on which one (on aegagrus) as isn;t that saying "forward to the printer "pr" on "carpine" (which afaict doesn't exist" ) fsck up that fixed it er um changing from pr to lp fixed it Action: laurie told you it was something REALLY dumb oops sigh this doesn't mean you have time for ROADMAPS now, does it? yay!! ROADMAP! no i told you i was told if i wasnt going to fix the printer i would have to work on roadmaps since the printer is fixed i dont have to roadmap :) as a reward to jcater Action: laurie wonders how that got changed but likely sometime ago when i put in new firewall i dropped and installed new queue and the default is pr instead of lp and i didnt even think aboutit well, my work here is done... it's bed time jcater (~jcater@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "nite" jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-191-161.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. back to other irc esands: thanks for helping laurie (~laurie@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" np hmm bed or gnue or dcl or acclit e hmmm I think they voted the ROADMAP just before. ;) acclite roadmap ;) Action: derek has to go to the dentist in the morning so unfortunately i think bed is going to win lucky derek noooo! heh My new dentist has this laser drill. No drugs, hardy any pain. Very nice. yeah, sure :) i hate dentists :) they're evil people who enjoy other people 's pain trust me on this one Of course you are in Dunedin, so I can't help you with my not-evil dentist. ;) trust me, i know dentistry students ;) This guy isn't from an NZ school. 8) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. heh, explains a lot yo psu yo ajmitch, all hmm, today's log is already 1/2 size of yesterday's - & we're not finished the first hour yet ;-) haha that's pretty bad :) psu: we had a small meeting in #dotgnu as well about phpgw, gnue, dotgnu stuff :) it was at the end of the weekend's meeting, only 300k or irc logs psu: be reassured most of its me pasting printing configurations and network configs to esands and jcater which will be entirely ignored by KC work That's the kind of log i like "See, I summarised 100k of log in under a minute" C-X C-C heh What's up with this error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/nic/gnue/forms/GFClient.py.gfd' something's broke Actually I think its because I didn't specify anything on the cmd line. use gfcvs ajmitch: no shit, sherlock ;-) still strange error ajmitch, master of the bloody obvious ;) ajmitch helpdesk - "Yes, that sounds like a bug to me as well. Goodbye." ;-) hehe if sherlock has no shit what will keep watson's face warm? Action: derek is hinting where watson keeps his head :) Anyway. Is there a way to display a list of items, companys say. Upon clicking a particular company another list/form opens? a trigger that opens a form? psu you happen to catch the MLS Cup ? LA Galaxy won in 113th minute esands: what evil forms are you designing? it sounds just like what i want :) 23min of overtime Action: derek was amazed that they didnt pre-empt it here for pga golf i was floored we got all 113 minutes derek: is there a trigger that fires on selection of a list item? over 60,000 fans were there ajmitch: grep baby grep :P derek: I'm afraid US soccer *never* gets any coverage here i.e. i dont know, there wasnt before but might be now psu: not even when we beat premier league opponents in exhibition ;) except, bizarrly, the womens' team FX payment management tool derek: *especially* not then my test gnue project as seen here (my team "DC United") beat Tottenham. :) http://www.dcunited.com/index.cfm?section=main&cont_id=137434 sounds cool What's up with this: [nic@thunder:~/devel/gnue/egenix-mx-base-2.0.4] grep import setup.py import mxBASE cyclic install requirement? "veteran greats and future stars" == not the real Tottenham team ;-) Sounds like their Worthington Cup squad no matter. Found the correct deb. 8) These days, you're nobody in the Premier League if you play your first team squad in the Worthington Cup (==minor cup competition, but still IIRC has a place in Europe for winners) ;) Needless to say, the Great Satans (Man Utd) started this trend Action: derek wonders why DC United went there they werent that great this year (but still my favorite) as NE Revolution and LA Galaxy met for the MLS Cup but i dont have to tell you that the US is putting out good players seeing how sunderland is adopting a US boy as one of their own :) Action: psu has gone off Sunderland a bit at the moment since they sacked the manager They lost their first match under new manager, serves them right so what do you think of sunderlands new doxford business park proposal? i can see it from the window ;-) has it made the news in AZ for some reason? is it worth the money? We are now at the stage where call centres rather than shipbuilding is probably the city's "signature" employment i.e what people associate us with curious if you think the 'next' doxford is a good investment for the govt there i.e. the proposed like 700k sqft monster derek: city council are *very* focused on development and regeneration Not sure that the new building is anything really new Action: derek reads stuff on sunderland and new zealand and austria and such to keep up with what goes on in the world where i can actually ask locals :) just a progression of what's alredy there hehe i saw an article of this 700k expansion promising new jobs (around 400) er 4000 City Coucil's IT dept are getting a new building there too There are also plans to include shops, a management suite and caf? facilities for employees and phase one will include an e-business centre for high-tech start up businesses. sounded interesting Our chief exec is very keen on IT as a regeneration force We already have palns for an "electronic village hall" in each ward http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/pathfinder/ Action: derek is waiting for the article where the Rainton Meadow Nature Nuts come and protest the city and demand some compensation for you all messing with 'nature' Action: derek knows that in the US they already would be in a snit Thankfully, the rainton meadows nature reserve is already there and boundaries defined there's a cute brown road sign w/a duck on it on the A690 Is there actually a way to generate a navigatable (cursor keys/mouse click) list of things? Rather than just having everything as forms ? gnue navigator? have you tried that Action: derek really needs to go to bed Action: derek is away: nightie night Not yet. Maybe I'll ask you in the morning. gnue nav works fairly well It gives a list of forms right? Rather than say a list of customers/products dynamically generated from the dv s/dv/db/ a tree of forms and reports with descriptions So it tries in with the classic UI workflow. ie. open app, (*) open list, chose item, edit item, save item. Repeat from (*) Action: psu reckons derek won't need any anaesthesia at dentists in morning - probably fall asleep in chair "well, you grunted when I asked "shall I take out the whole top row?" so the nurse & I agreed that consituted informed consent." psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("consultant == anyone w/a briefcase more than 25 miles from home"). SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-106.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. Toprach (~chatzilla@193.170.68.244) joined #gnuenterprise. Toprach (~chatzilla@193.170.68.244) left irc: Client Quit The new openoffice Developers Guide is a very nice start. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-106.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). Regarding sql-ledger vs nola/acclite again. I spent a half day or so (ignoring the time I spent hacking acclite to get bits of it going) learning how nola worked. I've just spent an hour testing sql-ledger. This is ignoring install time for both. In that hour I now can run a business in NZ with sql-ledger. In that half-day I realised I'd have to hack the nola/acclite scheme to deal with the fact its US-centric and doesn't report GST (sales tax) on purchases. Thus regardless of the code base, for me sql-ledger is usable and nola/acclite is not. interesting sql-ledger still has some things I'd like, 8) but its functional. er, things I'd like to see, It deals with FX gain/loss in a nice manner, plus it has a system which works for NZ GST. The two main things I need at the moment. good good ;) I suggest you look at it for your project. Its got a scheme at 1/4 the size of nolas sounds much better to cut down :) thanks 21 tables vs 100-150 nola's got moore features, but in most cases you dont need it. certainly don't need the bloat of nola for small businesses btw, check this ipayroll.co.nz for a python outfit in Wellington. Quite a nice ASP payroll system yep. people are so conservative when it comes to accounting systems - they want something that's proven to work well :) ooh, python? and zope: http://www.ipayroll.co.nz/about/copyright/ interesting it'll be closed, however Only wish there was a system like this I could use internal. Certainly otherwise they'd be short of a business model. yep :P perhaps a GNUe solution like this could be good? :) If it could do what they did it would be perfect for here. ;) you'd make it free software, i presume? :) could still make some money off hosting it, as they do :) Sure. Esp if most of the interface work was done in gnue use phpforms, or some equivalent there was a webware client at one point (i'd prefer that) Probably, they do offer payment process as part of the ASP service as well. DD processing the night before payday yeah easier than running down to the bank with the DC or DD forms :) I guess that's the preceived future magic of gnue. You can use both gtk and php forms clients Or forgeting the payday like I do once every 9 months or so. heh employess get a bit annoyed? I blame it on the fact that deskbank only runs on windows. Damn it! They can. I try to avoid going to work on those days. Usually I have to offer then cash cheques if they need it urgently Damn, 9:30. better have dinner... heh Action: ajmitch got dinner cooked about 3 hours ago :) computers suck your life away sometimes. yep damn, haven't updated my domain SOA for a year heh ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-64.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-106.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-64.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dhap (~root@61.11.56.27) joined #gnuenterprise. hi SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-106.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) File "/usr/local/bin/gnue-reports-server", line 42, in ? GRServer().run() NameError: name 'GRServer' is not defined i get this error can any one help when i try to run gnue-report-server gnuebot hi Action: ajmitch has never seen that error ajmitch i get this error when i try to run my gnue-report-server yes, you said from source tarball? ajmitch i used CVS to setup the gnue-report-server ajmitch i d'nt use source tarball ah that's why :) ajmitch which one is recommended when using cvs, use 'setup-cvs.py' to install ajmitch source tarball or CVS i'm not sure, source tarballs are ok but CVS gives latest features (and new bugs) Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ajmitch but i could not find any 'setup-cvs.py' in installation directory dhap: it's in the root gnue directory ajmitch ok ajmitch which is the best CVS or Source Tarball ajmitch which version should i use i said before use CVS if you want latest features & bugs use tarballs if you want a more stable but older GNUe ajmitch ok.. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ajmitch i will try with both.. i any problem i will contact u ajmitch thank's aj ajmitch for u r timely help ajmitch :-) don't bother contacting me, i'm going to sleep now Action: ajmitch heads away to bed :) ajmitch: l8r ajmitch not now... probably tommarrow.. bye guys :-) dhap (~root@61.11.56.27) left irc: "[BX] Size DOES matter" jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-64.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. wb reinhard morning all morning chillywilly ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection johannes_ (~johannes@M702P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: if i can manage only two days for linuxexpo what is better: 29 and 30 or 30,31? in any case 30,31 because the meeting will be at 31 only 31? yes wich timetable? actually we agreed that one day will be enough 9:00 to 18:00 is the "official" time it is better for me just one day, if i find a flight early in the morning ariel_: you are from italy, right right where in italy ? rome ah ok that's quite far from frankfurt train is too long does anyone knows format codes for displaymask for numeric entry? i examined NumberMask.py in common/src/FormatMask but it seems a copy of DateMask siesel (jan@dial-213-168-64-204.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. wb siesel hi all, hi ariel_ siesel: have you noticed that the entries in gsd have to be in the same order as are declared the columns in the table declaration, otherwise it does'nt work the "field" attribute is completely ignored this is because xls's translate it to insert into table xxx values( ....) and not to: insert into table xxx (...) values( ....) 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SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-196.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) joined #gnuenterprise. esands / ajmitch two issues sql-ledger might work, but not being able to reconcile an account is well not good but furthermore re: # of tables thats why we wouldnt touch sql-ledger their schema is horrid it might be 'easier to understand' cause there is less of it but that doesnt make it 'a better schema' imho derek: hi derek: i'm sure you're aware of the http://www.anteil.com open src CRM product, right? 3tier LAMP app with realtime db replication which could be useful to other LAMP apps im not familiar with it oic well you might care to become so or perhaps mdean might i might be able to get someone in axis to do that if there are specific criteria, which i think Da Masta should start Action: dtm hands derek an html/text editor :] Action: derek is back (gone 07:20:02) Action: derek is away: work jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-64-204.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-196.wasp.net.au) left irc: Excess Flood SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-196.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello hi Arturas ratmice (matt@vespertine.pc.ashlandfiber.net) joined #gnuenterprise. derek, all: news item re SUSe HOW-To now posted to website ;-) psu, all: howdy :0 Nick change: psu -> all hi jcater Nick change: all -> psu hmm, interesting. I would have assumed that NickServ would have protected "all" if only on behalf of Anthony Louyesious Llewelyn or similar is there like an 'exceptry' in python? equiv to elif except KeyError: do KeyError except ValueError: do whatever except: Well default stuff like that? they may all get the same exception, but I want to try them in order, if this one excepts, try the next one hmmm I don't follow 100% jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. I'm misusing exceptions so I don't check if an oction is possibel, I only perform alternative actions if it fails, which may also fail are these actions something that could go into a for loop or a while loop? No they are alternative actions I'll just nest the trys (maybe) silly question: Whats the difference between a Business app server (like GEAS) and a general purpose app server? Action: jcater doesn't think theres such a thing as a general purpose app server hmm. Action: jcater thinks all app servers have a purpose or focus, even if they are billed as general purpose but I could be wrong :) I mean, giving that GNUe emphasizes in being developed towards business, I wonder what does it imply What features include and what are excluded, compared to other ones here's psu's notes from a GEAS v2 meeting http://www.manorcon.demon.co.uk/geasv2.html I think the key concepts are centralization of business rules [or logic] coupled with database abstraction Action: psu is away: I'm busy there's more of course I see of course, I'm a bad person to be talking to about appserver, as that's not my area of expertise and I hope I'm not giving mis-information what jcater says is basically ok from my point of view But its db abstraction to be achived via GEAS or Common? GEAS uses common as it's backend appserver will _use_ common to achieve db abstraction yes so it benefits from common's abstraction sorry appserver not geas :) Action: jcater read the GEASv2 notreds notes and got confused :) appserver not geas?? geas was our original implementation of an application server it was contributed by a company in nz however it turned out that it didn't fit too well into the overall concept of GNUe so we decided to restart from scratch and to not mix up the "old" one and the "new" one we agreed to call the new one "appserver" instead of "geas" crazy New Zealanders so most documentation that refers to "geas" probably is obsolete as it refers to a no-longer-used-piece-of-code hmm or it refers to the new appserver but was written before that renaming decision was made :) Now i see but there shouldn't be too many of the latter ones I think it is better to use a name instead of the general term "application server" bye Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) left irc: an Appserver called Gary I like Bob well "GNUe Appserver" did fit well into our naming system of "GNUe Forms", "GNUe Reports" etc. So if someday it becomes at powerful as Twisted (for example) or as common as Webware, you can distinguish it for its particular name ok well, I don't think that's a fair analogy actually it will become famous under the name "GNUe" :) as take webware GNUe Appserver, then GOOOEY webware is like half a dozen or so modules there's WebKit and TaskKit just like we are GNUe and have Forms and Appserver so I think it's the same principal yes i agree with jcater here although GNUe Gary does have a ring to it GNUe is enough of a name for "marketing" Sickest, nastiest appsever ever. Now with extra goo! GNUe Gary rules GNUe Application Repository & Yam factory maybe GNUe Gary will be our Clippie ?? lol Gary? heh i always thought we would use a goat for clippie ;) see my issue with clippie is that the concept had a lot of potential, but they made it really horrible GNUe Gary the Goat Greeter nickr: you can start desinging the mascot ;) ratmice^ (bosshog@nightfall.forlorn.net) joined #gnuenterprise. here, in ashland, oregon sales tax is interesting, oregon doesn't normally have a sales tax, but the city has a tax on packaged foods derek: that might be true, but sql-ledger gets me where I want to go today. Nola would require a new schema to sort out the lack of GST/sales-tax tracking for vendors. SL does have some issues with its schema, I suspect it needs to normalise a little bit. Still working today is better than working tomorrow with something better. Esp if it saves me having to running MYOB under win4lin and I can wait for gnue to get to a better point http://www.gnustep.org/information/progress.html StyXman (~mdione@adsl-200-59-86-17.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: do you have a sec? (hi 'vrybody) siesel (jan@dial-213-168-96-33.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) StyXman (~mdione@adsl-200-59-86-17.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@m693p020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. GNUeGary (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: GNUeGary had a mouse tell him that you were going to infringe on his trademark name!!! What gives? Action: GNUeGary is also informing GNUeBob that he might need to obtain a lawyer as well. I think we should give chillywilly muy props and call it the Chillywilly Remote App Server CRApp Server for short ;) whoa taht sounds like a GREAT idea j/k CRApp it is! hehe GNUe Structured Objects w/Method Extensions and Diatomic Abstracted Yieldings or better known as GNUe Some Day StyXman: wassup? oh, missed him... i havent seen papo guys in a while i need to contact their boss :) KeithJagrs (jorgre@63.74.24.9) left irc: "later" ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "making toys" sigh I wanna be able to do a /quit making toys Programmatic Object Oriented Processor would the interactive version be POOPI ? well Programmatic Object Oriented Processor / Interactive Edition would be POOPIE ToyMan_away (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). siesel (jan@dial-213-168-96-33.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) man you guys are wicked good at this. are you ALL project managers ? Yea Application System Server dtm: yip, Project Heads All Together is our group we are straight up PHAT Super-Ultra-Cool-Kat-Application-System-Server /away Action: psu is back (gone 02:23:52) indeed no way recursive acronymn Suckass Ultra Cool Kat Application System Sever Nick change: GNUeGary -> GNUeSTUe Suckass Universal Control, Katalog and Application Server System BAM Action: jcater still likes his Niagra .... Niagra is a great recursive acronym!!!! print that bad boy and send it to press GNUeSTUe has a nice rythm pwd whoa, my vnc client is slow to swtich between windows :) ratmice^ (bosshog@nightfall.forlorn.net) left irc: "later" perlhead (~fheinz@200.43.144.248) joined #gnuenterprise. perlhead (~fheinz@200.43.144.248) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("nite..."). hmmmm when we are after recursive acronyms for appserver dadada always destroys all data anyway hehe rofl, thats a good one reinhard actually you can make a reverse acronym out of any word you like like in reinhard eventually is not handsome and rather dumb RUDE siesel (jan@dial-213-168-92-6.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hey siesel hello siesel you up late i already go to bed :) night all reinhard (~reinhard@m693p020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "If you think there is good in everybody, you haven't met everybody" night reinhard hi ajmitch ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. paq (~paq@202.155.120.221) joined #gnuenterprise. sup fewls and that bitchass derek argh jcater: you're a bitchass mofo too and nickr he also joins the ranks jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. 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Action: chillywilly is back (gone 01:22:22) well well well Action: chillywilly had a friend stop by for a visit why? you should have told your friend that you had to hack always nice when a friend stops by bah! that would be ruuude so? you'd get some code done :) friends are more important than code ;) bah code yourself a friend ;) hehe I have his name is jcater ;) although...he's a bit disfunctional of a friend he's your friend? I did a pretty lousy job eh? gnuebot is my friend he listens, never interupts. hmmm Mr_You: care to trade? Action: chillywilly should get some ice cream Action: derek is back (gone 11:34:37) anyone know status of our html driver ? dtm: you around siesel has created stuff. Action: derek kicks at dtm it seems.... everything can be written in javascript (except backend db routines).. and it may be beneficial (but license problematic) to create a mozilla/netscape version and IE version within the same script code ie. XUL for mozilla and JScript/?? for IE. yo derek the javascript is in jans dir... IIRC hi ajmitch why problematic? there is a free javascript implementation iirc but can it do what we need? and there is no license issue it is only a moral issue they are pretty much standardizing the core functions. i.e. i would think it poor form in someways to spend time on a non free implementation its a license isue if it wants to be included with GNUe no? er an implementation that requires a non free parser but certainly one could do it without license issues Mr_You: yes it could become problematic to a degree well.. a non-free functional implementation or no implementation? ;-) if the source is GPL or free software it could be part of GNUe officially, but i would lean towards not including as 'official' gnue if it required non free software to run but again that doesnt mean one couldnt write it Nick change: mdean-[afk] -> mdean as its a moral not a legal one at that point what's non-free? hi mdean chillywilly: javascript implementations yo the tools, jscript and possibly some javascript are based on non-free licenses. i.e. if someone wrote a gnue client that required a non free javascript tool er, but isn't moz's implementation avilable under the GPL in their dual licensing scheme but mozillas is free chillywilly: yes it is but what about IE? so the issues is with M$? m$ is not but thats what im saying if you make a xplatform javascript app thats cool its only if you make it so it CANT run on non freesoft ex: wxWindows implementation of forms works on windows but it doesnt MANDATE windows ok well siesel is a coding madman.. completely blows me away, but I think its possible to write such an app. btw: i would supoprt a native w32 port of forms client (even though it requires non-free software) s/w32/novell/ ;-) only because we have more functional clients that run on free platforms i would say the same for javascript as well as long as we have free equivalents in place if that makes sense but i think the free ones should take priority well I'm gonna try to hack on jans code, but I can't make promises ;-) ok, but wouldn't a JS application still be Free if licensed under the GPL even if it ran on a propr implementation? prop. but its online and seems somewhat functional. chillywilly: yes.. if it worked on a free browser. is the fact that it can rn on prop. systems too effect it freeness? but basicly, JS is proprietary. even tho its free now. bt we have a Free implmentationa dn Ecma standards AFAIK, they have only produced core functions for ECMA standard. not sure if even arrays are supported in ECMA yet. I am pretty sure that ECMA is functional to even that degree...they have a "unified" event system too, iirc...although I suppose mdean would know the most on this subject ;) chillywilly: you missed my point ok if i write an application that is GPL that uses visual basic that could very well be ;) well thats kind of stupid for GNU to support certainly my application is free software but if requiring NON FREE software to 'modify' it is a requirement it kind of defeats the purpose of making it free software in the first place :) btw: this has long been my gripe with compiere they require oracle and java2 and other non free stuff and Java in general? ;) well there are free java's now just not free java2's right if i understand things correctly which is a problem well anyways, check out siesels javascript work for HTML driver, I think its the way to go. think about this.. with XMLRPC bultin to the client.. you wouldn't even need a webserver. webserver would only be used for 2-tier connectivity, providing database select/inserts only. s/only// comments? mdean: you have been a busy man oh well Action: Mr_You never gets comments for his ideas. you craaaaaazy why? I dunno... derek asks about an html driver, I explain, and I get nothing. if no one cares, thats fine too. jan and I care tho. derek was off conversing elsewhere well from anyone really. it sounds good to me derek is on crack i'm not hot on javascript, does it have the functions you need? well thats the big if.. with XUL it might be much more useful. triggers in forms would have to be javascript, and thus harder to use outside of the browser and I've refered and heard about XUL problems. but hey, we just need some basic functionality at the moment. yup hmm ok.. good point. im here but ideally.. we would have a USABLE appserver and just use XMLRPC ;-) yeah :) remember irc for me is kind of like email i can get distracted HEH physically, mentally or verbally by other stimili should input validation be done client-side or server-side? a none response doesnt mean there is no interest johannes_ (~johannes@M702P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Action: chillywilly slaps derek around some btw: i dont really see anything that was to respond too i asked 'what is the status of html' stuff well I understand if anyone could careless about an HTML (javascript) driver, but it could really boost usage. derek: just give your thoughts? johannes_ (~johannes@m702p025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. brain dump plz and it got into a question about javascript licensing, which i thought i answered (maybe i didnt) hi johannes_ chillywilly: no, please no ajmitch: the way I see it.. do everything into javascript client that it is capable of.. and just make note of "incompatibility" issues and go from there. and then there was some architecture talk, i didnt realize was directed at me Mr_You: good idea Action: chillywilly prefers a python-based web/html "client" i.e. i was just curious of status not looking to design or get coding on anything :) chillywilly: yes, i think something could be coded up, but that could still use javascript chillywilly: you'll still require javascript for any sort of "persistent" connectivity. javascript or ECMAScript? ;) ECMA! ;) didn't ask you, chillywilly :P Action: chillywilly slurps packages off ajmitch chillywilly: please no i'm trying to download here ajmitch: too nad I am updating debian bad it's done anyway see.. basicly.. with this entire javascript code... it could be shared amongst implementations? you just slap it on a webpage, or the output of your cgi/server page and you got an XMLRPC capable GNUe client. very nice what part does the XML-RPC? jan has already begun coding an XMLRPC javascript client, prior to doing the HTML output like I mentioned heh now he has done both.. btw, the ideas are the easy part to come up with ;) lemme find the page again cool stuff! whats the developers url? chilly: yeah, but gotta start somewhere. goats.gnue.org? :) ash.gnuenterprise.org? I'm just wanting everyones comments so we don't leave anything out.. like triggers for example. KetihJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. you download the new packages keith? yes. I finally could open DEsigner sounds good I haven't had the time to give it a complete try. Only give it a quick view Is it based on wxWindows? yeah cool Does it support all the wxWindows widgets? KetihJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left irc: "later" ?? oh heh heh I dunno. In the toolbar theres only 4 widgets yup I'm not sure of all the widgets provided by GNUe. no it doesn not support all the wx widgets remember we are portable i.e. one form definition shoudl work on wx as well as native gnome as well as curses as well as html etc we arent about 'fluff' I see btw, now that you mention gnome, does gnue run on KDE too? Im not familiar with all the enviroments of w wx yes, but it'll still use gtk+ gtk+? on kde? yeah it happens all the time you can run gnome & kde apps at the same time :) :) yeah I enjoy that considering I usually run windowmaker. so you can run Evolution on KDE? as well as gnumeric, gnucash, etc? is jcater kickign around anywhere? keith: yeah, disk space is cheap ;-) KeithJagrs: yip you need not install gnome I am still a windows guy, as much as I hate MS. I am almost ready to switch to linux only the gtk libraries there WILL be a native qt port as well there is already a native gtk2 port and i know jcater has a qt brewing in a local directory somewhere wouldn't surprise me there have been qt bindings for python for awhile Nick change: mdean -> DCLWench If I dont want end users to see the DOS console when they run GNUe, what do I have to do? ? gack use py2exe or something? dos console? gack In windows DOS? heh yeah rename the files to .pyw extension :) or there's another method oh, that is for debugging purposes. are you using .exe's or cvs? can't recall which he's refering to the console debug window I think the .exes make gnue by default work w/o dos shell hmmm exes ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) left irc: "making toys" if its a gfd i think you can right mouse click and open with... yep Mr_You i.e. its a file association thing keith: just make the client/designer full screen and ignore it in the startup menu look at how the 'sample forms' are done you can create 'icons' or menu items to do the same and no console window derek: the dos window isn't coded for debugging purposes? nm no you CAN open a dos window but its not mandatory well. I understand the DOS console always loads no, when you start designer or forms client, it creates a dos window. by clicking on their respective icons Mr_You: that's correct I figured this was hardcoded for debugging purposes. Nick change: DCLWench -> mdean well it also occurs when you run pygames in windows But it seems kind of unprofessional I was told you can use py2exe and compile in "stand alone" mode to avoid that DOS console to load but haven't tried it yey err yet derek: define kicking? 0.4.0 is looking good Mr_You: you using 0.4.0? will be. have you seen my new Developer's Guide? Action: jcater is trying to get feedback http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/Developers-Guide.pdf I've been working nonstop on it for 4 or so days still a ways to go excuses... what was used to output the pdf files in the documentation? good god OpenOffice Fonts render kind of ugly in windows? really? Action: jcater looks jagged edges looks good jason, will read over it this week keith: its pdf :-P portable document format heh heh good god? Jason's document renders pretty well, on the other hand jcater: you take this into account? http://www.gnuenterprise.org/docs/DevelopersIntroduction/developerintro.html jcater: yeah it looks great. nitty gritty Mr_You: mine is specifically GNUe Forms nothing more I want to do one for each tool but also have a general overview one as well err which will be next, jason? Designer probably Designer then Reports sounds good I hope I can contribute some. EnigmaX (~EnigmaX@pcp684429pcs.olathe01.ks.comcast.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: jcater thinks the one you linked to will be more the general purpose overview i.e., how you can use GNUe to do a complete application but not necessarily get into the nitty gritty if I come across changes/comments I'll send them to you. question: does Curses run on DOS? I would guess not, but am not 100% sure peanut gallery? I'm sure it could if someone created a curses DOS client. actually, it may I dunno s/curses/text-based/ Action: jcater runs to get pizza woops wrong channel Univ. of Cali at Santa Barbara has banned WinNT/2K banned? when? why so they can force people to use XP! they think the others are insecure by default!! hahaha and XP isnt jeje hehe "In a posting on the ResNet site, UCSB officials blame the OSes for "hundreds of major problems on UCSB's residential network during the 2001-2 acamdemimc year," including exploited vulnerabilities, denial-of-service attacks, port scanning, and infections by Code Red, etc. so just head on down to the Student Union and stock up! there's a sale on XP! yay! fine products brought to you by the school itself! lol makes sense to me suuure I'm refering to banning the OSses. jcater: do you plan to add some screenshots to the guide? well I gotta go soon KeithJagrs: yes Action: jcater just started it 4 days ago :) ;) great job well.. I guess jan is working on the javascript/html GNUe Forms Client.. I'm gonna try to hack on what I can and submit them to him. and read over your doc jason. among a few other things. not related to GNUe. bblm It would be good a moxila/xul client. Action: Mr_You & mozilla keith: including IE support, but its looking good. wtf: when i print in color it prints color but wrong color everything is a shade of pink Action: derek wonders if its an 'ink' thing or a jacked up printer driver i dont think lprng is handling big print jobs either Action: jcater hates inkjet color printers they are the spawn of satan I refuse to let one in my house or office if i send over 1 page print out of something it kicks in on the server and kicks out a printout if i send over same 1 page printout and request ten copies nothing no signs of it in queue not server transforming it nothing both in open office and abiword most odd Action: derek thinks its possessed hmm now i see it in the queue but it doesnt appear to be moving is there a way to 'prod' its arse along? derek: restart the server the lpd or whatever it is is it literally lpd? or is it cups or something? derek: /etc/lprng/lpd.conf yummy there is a max pages parameter restarting and resending job seems to have done the trick ah ok Action: derek just shakes head and moves along i really dont get this shades of pink crap though as i printed a photo last night to test and colors came out right Action: derek just shakes head as he mounts the defensive to not have a windows machine around not being able to use the avery invitation software made me catch hell, which brought up hey we need to be able to play the windows games hello win4lin :) heh what brand is the printer KeithJagrs: I think he said it was a POS Color 3e Non name brand HP Deskjet 842c evil evil evil i know but the things are so darn cheap its cheaper to buy new ones that it is to get ink :) thats (sadly?) true lol Ink should be cheaper MS! Ink is cheaper It seems like printer manufacturer's business wasnt hardware but sales of ink do you have any clue how little is w/the new printers? derek: we.... _need_ to be able to play the Windows games? :) Action: derek is away: csi will return later for my beatings HAH! beat this! fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" nite all KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left irc: "later" jcater (~jcater@cpe-024-165-223-104.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) f1x3 (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: f1x3 -> fixe derek: hpijs and cups. I set up cups on debian with a hp 3330 in 30 mintues here. Including auto pushing of the printer browse list from the printer server to the clients. (http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/) --- Tue Oct 22 2002