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Makes it difficult to sleep :) alreayd had mine was meant to be a stew, turned out more like a mince soup Action: ajmitch was not cooking :) sounds like a nice flat dinner heh dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) paci (~paci@212.94.129.20) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-173.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. Remosi (dahoose@port-219-88-247-183.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: siesel can allways offer to help filling in retirement pay formulars. siesel: lol Action: siesel thought of appserver subtopics, like "how to implement transactions", "how to solve replication" etc. lupo_ (~lupo@pD951C862.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) pick (~lupo@p50845538.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lol i think i found a bug in gnome i have opened a gnome session on my pc (over the network) and one session at the console both with the same username now when i open a gnome program at the console then it opens in the session on the pc jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. means: i click on the starter in the cellar, and the window pops up in the first floor :) ugly Nick change: pick -> lupo siesel (jan@xunzi.sinologie.uni-bonn.de) left irc: "l8r" reinhard: how very odd ppareit (~ppareit@29.218-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) joined #gnuenterprise. hey hi I see pyton is used as scripting language, has there ever been talk to use scheme/guile? ppareit: gnue is meant to be language neutral when it comes to program applications with it, but there are AFAIK no hooks for other languages than python yet. which means, nobody has shown interest for that yet ppareit: our main reason to choose python as our main scripting language jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: "Client Exiting" is that gnue should be usable and extendable by business people and scheme is not a language that typical business people tend to understand :) Action: lupo tries not to think of "idiot proof" most ERP programmers don't want to "program", they just want some simple coding facility for their purposes gnue is coded in python because it's easy to learn and understand and because it is as good as java (as a programming language), but better than java (as a platform / reg. licensing) ok, well, anyway it still looks interesting, keep up the good work ppareit: "why python" is one of our favorite questions, so don't let yourself be overwhelmed by our comments :) ppareit (~ppareit@29.218-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) left #gnuenterprise. if 'ERP programmers don't want to program' then the Designer will be one of the critical tools of gnue ts dragon: "programming" implies (for me) a deep understand of the entire structure, "coding" a well-placed hack to solve a specific problem designer *is* critical dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) joined #gnuenterprise. very much so do you see it evolving like Visual Studio of MS? please NO quick question what i am missing if i get from xml.sax import saxutils ImportError: No module named xml.sax ? erm, you've installed the python-xml packages? no, thanks i'll add it to the INSTALL file it seems to be missing there to be honest, i find it lacking a lot of functions although I understand that it is still in a very early stage. i can't help compare it against Siebel tools, that I used before, which is very good. dragon: just write it on a piece of digital paper and send it to jason cater, subject "wishlist" what type of functions? has anyone of you experience with graphical reports designers? long long ago I user oracle's SQL*Reports....once didn't care for it at all One thing i like about the Siebel client is that you don't have to explicitly commit or save the data. You just need to 'step-off' that record an it will automatically commit. um i think that point is "personal preference" - ppl get used to it quite fast dragon: i see no reason that couldn't be done w/ a trigger in gnue-forms I agree. I think the difference is that gnue starts off with a very basic form, where you can add anything you like. While the other applications has a lot of pre-built functions. sorry another question what does this mean? DB000: Error: ERROR: MultiByte strings (MB) must be enabled to use this function something in your setup is compiled to used MB characters and another thing isn't ah oh IIRC in debian postgresql is compiled with it and some lib isnt it's been a while since I've had time for gnue so the memory is rusty could it be that my woody pgsql client doesn't like my suse pgsql server? but I think I'm back bwahahahah jamest: same for me :) that could be the issue Action: reinhard reinstalled gnue on new machine now you on woody? oooo, thats it! I'm almost positive that was issue I had, my server at home was compiled from source w/o multibyte and the .deb postgresql-client expects it i had to rebuild the server ok thanks jamest do we have a technical faq somewhere? well in the doc dirs there are now technotes ok thanks again not sure how complete they are I'm really out of touch, just noticed late last week that most my subscriptions to gnue mail lists were disabled from back when ash went cross country stuq_ (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all howdy thanks may i ask someone to correct one line in README.databases there isn't interbase 7 Interbase 5.x-6.x and Firebird 1.x is the correct ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) * Interbase 5.x-6.x and Firebird 1.x [via Kinterbasdb] read ok? ok, thanks commited thanks again btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-173.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" Nick change: stuq_ -> ToyMan dragon (~dragon@pcd187100.netvigator.com) left irc: "[x]chat" lupo (~lupo@p50845538.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. 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Action: derek is wondering if a cvs kernel cousin would be worthwhile i.e. basically just a summary of 'commits' hehe [1] Commits THere were 128 "Synching machines" this week roflmao 12 "Bug fixes" 23 "Stuffs" well synching machines could be a category ;) Action: derek is away: work siesel (jan@dial-213-168-64-161.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. johannes_ (~johannes@m702p025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" \quit siesel (jan@dial-213-168-64-161.netcologne.de) left irc: "Real programmers code it into the client" paci (~paci@212.94.129.20) left irc: "ciao" Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Yurik_ (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Nick change: Yurik_ -> Yurik Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) left irc: Client Quit RevDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "The more often you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets" ratmice (matt@vespertine.pc.ashlandfiber.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. http://www.openmfg.com/, http://lwn.net/Articles/13366/ joy another license http://www.openmfg.com/about/license.php another leech so wonderful can you paste the link to where i can download this for free again...? oh thats right i cant :) well i suppose if i 'register' i probably could Licenses means each lawyers company gets extra cash. Thing I dislike is the way every calls them XXPL. Like a 'public licenses' makes palatable gack gack gack gack gack i registered (fictiously) and they asked me to enter a password i wanted then sent me plain text email back with my user name and password then after registering it says request demo or contact our sales people Here a php system which is based on sql-ledger http://www.michaeldiehl.com/~michael/qderp/index.php clicking on a request demo sends me an email Action: RevDeke thinks these guys smell stinky its not funny that is mho a php ERP system is FRIGHTENING thought and you know my position on sql-ledger Action: RevDeke is slightly confused it seems all you do is offer alternative solutions to gnue? if you dislike gnue so much is there a reason why you invest time here? as convincing several dozen people that have worked for years on something to drop it and leave for something else isnt generally very fruitful Can't use gnue yet, but I can see a time when I will be able to use it it is nice to see the competition (so to speak) though so im not complaining I'm not trying to convince anyone of that hey c'mon, php rules! http://www.ofbiz.org/ any comments on this one? Problem is gnue is barely useful for me at present. When I (re)started looking at it again 6 months ago. I thought it might, but having looked closer I still waiting. No issue, I've found some workable alternatives. Doesn't mean I can't contrib to development, by a) providing an end-user viewpoint, b) hacking around on acclite to see if I can actually get it going for my requirements btami_ (~btami@3e70d732.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. RevDeke: buzzword compliant jboss system Looks like a fancy online store package looks like buzzword bingo to me when a project puts on their front page a list of all the 'buzzwords' they use it usually means they are trying to market the hell out of an empty paperbag or they are clueless to technology at large and trying to dupe folks into smoke and mirrors dude, those are Open Source Projects! i coudl be way off but that has been my 'general' expierence nickr? I think the main thing preventing me from using forms at the moment is a method have a 'clickable' (master) list of items that points to the form view detail/edit bit. Possibly Navigator/Reporter/Form might do it, but I'm still looking at it. Once I can sort that out, I'll can probably contrib a few end-user apps I need for my own use. nickr: im talking the list of 'related' standards you can do this with tabs i think btw: we will have a solution for this soon as i need it for a client I love this line: "We could have developed the things that OFBiz offers, but if a tool exists, why build the tool from scratch?" Its like say, wow! look we use C++ Excellent ah esands: what is forms missing? I couldn't parse that statement Forms at the moment is just a method of editing a list of records. jcater: he wants to be able to do a select * and show that list to the user and then allow the user to select one of the items to view in the form oh, no forms is much, much more than editing a list There still needs to be a method to display a list of records for selection of editing. If I've got a 10 or 100 FX contracts, supplier invoices, and payment dates, I don't want to have to set though a list of forms to find the correct item. Certainly reporting provides a method for listing items, but it needs to be well integrated if its something I want to give to my end users in the accounts department to make my job easier. Otherwise if the workflow isn't simple problems will arise and I'll waste more time trying to try workflow bugs certainly, a dummy-style popup search would be nice... and we will do that someday but have you looked at our querying support? Querying from a form then having to step though each form to find the right one, just isn't nice. Imagine trying to read your email list that, with out the folder list screen. I assume the forms.test/samples/tabPage.gfd needs to be run with gnue/forms.test] python2.2 ./gfclient.py jcater: there are two things we need esands: i use forms with query defaults to autoload only the records required 1. is the lookup / search box 2. is what he is talking about robin and david both felt it mandatory as well well where's the patch? that is you see a list of the items via a grid Action: jamest is trying to understand #2 :) you troll around find the one you want and click a 'detail' button Its an information interface issue then you get full contents of that record in a single form so maybe your grid has Thing about trying to read your email, without the initial list of who its from, what its about, whether it looks like spam product number ; product desc; qty on hand; qty on order; or such you find the one you want ie. straight into the detail and click it and poof you get FULL detail esands: we are talking 2 different things if you are wanting the equiv of the panes we do that and do it well it's called master/detail blocks jcater: i havent submitted patch because i think that this might be doable with tabs jcater: think 'hidable' panes jcater: no doubt the stuff done so far is good i.e. one pane with grid one in normal mode and clicking makes one disappear and the other show up in its place hell no instead of the 'click' im thinking you could do this via tabs i am currently doing for UE as you state I would be fine w/a popup search dialog with 'panes' popup search dialog would go along way though i think esands in a nutshell the functionality is there maybe just not 'exactly' how you want it visually but getting a list and selecting an item to get its detail works today just you must use two panes hey, didn't someone patch forms to take args on startup for quering? or use a tab jamest: I did if manipulation of widgets at run time becomes available you coudl do the hide/replace thing jamest: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/Developers-Guide.pdf Cool, now I just need to figure out how to use it. I note the forms.test/samples/tabPage.gfd, does that need gnue/forms. though im with jcater, i get nervous look under Advanced Topics -> Runtime Parameters er, forms.test python2.2 ./gfclient.py to run s/Advanced Topics/We Hope It Works/ ;) yes gfd's need forms RevDeke: touche` :) but the forms.test/gfclient ?? The gfcvs version doesn't seem to run the samaple/tabPage.gfd acutally, advanced topics = I have no idea where else to put it :) forms.test... what's that? oh, is that the php version? oh php version is a whole different story anything i said up till now may or may not apply to php version (As i havent used it yet) ah, wait that's that alternate UI stuff the phd guy was working on i think Oh. Is there an example form that demos tabs? intro.gfd IIRC and triggers yes and you can use designers mutli-page table wizard to create them easily enough but only if you use the cvs stuff the last release was acting wierd on me wrt wizards Is this a form error or something else: "DB000: AttributeError: GFForm instance has no attribute '_triggerNamespace' " from intro.gfd sigh lemme see that's what we call a broken cvs :) you running cvs or 0.4.0 cvs it worked for me let me update and try again That was an update from yesterday or the day before, I forget jcater: btw. i have another bug with tabs Action: jcater just committed a fix changing tabs works well with PgUp/PgDn but doesn't with clicking hmm ? it chenges, but after that going to next or prew record jcater: thanks the screen doesn't shows the netx or prew record just the status line the same on win and on linux btami_: can you submit tickets? Action: RevDeke is forgetting if it was you or someone else having issues as it seems to work for everyone else, but we think it might be some character in your name :) last time i tried to send to DCL, i failed maybe Tam�s DCL hates me :) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. btami_: I've noticed that problem too huh ok the tab problem RevDeke: Is there a sample form to do what I might want via tabs? I noticed it yesterday when playing with the intro form jcater: have you ever meet the 'focus nightmare' issue too ? yeah ok :) Action: jcater wants to sit down and resolve those soon esands: with the grid and details? work has been bad though is it ever good? jamest: does our zipcode example do it? jamest: every other friday not exactly but it'd be close i think i have one at home for ue that does it I'm guessing designer still has the scroll bar issue? I guess I'll have to decrease my font size for some of the property screens. jamest: Maybe, not sure. jcater: the third main issue i was meet, the not working checkboxes and thats all from me :) btami_: since you've been so good w/feedback lately I'm going to sit down and do all yours in one sitting :) :) :) btami_: did you see that KeithJagrs was querying why the Windows .exes had DOS console sessions? I think Mr_You was trying to tell him that was yes, i made it how it was meant to be that's an optoin in the build we leave it on for debugging but the docs used to say how to turn it off to let peop make bug reports Can he "Undo" it just via gnue.conf no or does he need to rebuild? for releases it was to be turned off i put a comment somewhere on how to do this in old mcmillian Well, last time ISTR we have two exes _debug and non-debug yeah that was that switch I think we're not using old mcmillian anymore though so I have no idea how to do jamest: it's a 'debug': 0 in one of the dictionaries instead of a debug = 0 it's still there in the conf file just in a slightly different format two exe is good solution imho How big a job would it be to rebuild and have two exes? gack! I haven't applied those patches yet navigator bug: DB000: gnue.common.GParser.MarkupError: Error processing tag [I do not recognize the "description" attribute Is it just a) flick switch b) type macmillan foo c) email to psu for forms/samples/track/contracts.gpd i can do that, if you want btami_: I think that would be useful If you e-mail it to me, I'll get it up on site again but, maybe 0.4.1 comes soon... just please don't e-mail it to me between 22:00 and 08:00 ;-) 0.4.1 will be soon psu: ok but we all know what "soon" means in gnue land ;) if soon < 2 weeks: btami_.rest() else: btami_.go() btami_.go() :) I want one real soon but 2 weeks proably isn't realistic I'd like it to be but let's be honest s/proably/probably chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise.