Action: derek cant get unburied from this email pile darned freedevelopers lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) left irc: "I like core dumps" wayneg (~merlinx@ppp1514.qld.padsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "You ain't got debian you ain't got shit!" rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" hi people IsoosI (dahoose@port-219-88-246-84.jet.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection hey ariel__ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-247-78.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" Action: psu is back (gone 08:51:39) hi psu, esands hi derek hey esands, psu, derek & all my other adoring fans hmm this is not good :) can't even open e-mail now as not enuf room for tmp file how annoying derek: enjoying the FD fallout? Action: psu is definantly gonna have to repartition this weekend LVM is useful in that situation. esands: thnx btami: sorry for the bounce, please send agaiun after 09:00 your time I have now made room (by un-dselecting some "uneeeded" packages) ajmitch: i responded to it hopefully they will join efforts of GBN for what they are wanting btw: i find it hilarious that Tony states he will not allow dictatorship and that peopel tried to over take FD but then he acts like a dictator dictating what people want to do with this new incarnation yup and its like wait if its a true 'democracy' if they dont agree with him he is out quite typical :) but he doesnt liek that idea everyone gotta play by his rules i didnt bother to make that assertion as when i speak generally his pants come unglued he 'owns' the FD idea, so everyone must give him credit :) so just pitching GBN will probably put him in an uncrontrollable tantrum so? i don't think many people support him anymore obviously im not too worried :) but certainly i stayed quiet on my true feelings as to not 'fan flames' hopefully GBN could get a bit more exposure from this i.e. im trying to be a good boy :) there was another list where we shared our true feelings about the situation ajmitch: can i post your sources.list for gnomesword? umm to where? Action: ajmitch only has a 128Kbps DSL gnome2 ? esands: nope actually never mind looks like they are upgrading debian to use never libsword even ah so is gnomesword recompiled? or does it need done? um i would like newest versions :) but would like to see them in debian oh great, kerberos flaw found i think libsword is at 1.5 er 1.5.5 instead of 1.5.3 Action: ajmitch hopes GNU have been told > ? ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) got netsplit. chillywilly (~danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port20.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. sfb- (mattr@chew.exelus.net) got netsplit. mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) got netsplit. nickr (~panphage@e-64-35-146-236.empnet.net) got netsplit. pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) got netsplit. fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) got netsplit. ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) returned to #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port20.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. nickr (~panphage@e-64-35-146-236.empnet.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. sfb- (mattr@chew.exelus.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. wb :) ? 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Mr_You (~car@gso88-217-049.triad.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by calvino.freenode.net im screwed no online banking for me i dont have a modem :) dtm ([YdUiiN5Ft@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) got netsplit. dtm ([YdUiiN5Ft@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. heh hmm, that last error message you forwarded to the GNUe list is a bit bad without the distro name, unless you can just tell him to install openssl & hope he gets it :) http://www.theregister.co.uk/media/920.jpg yummy my online bank lets me download my statement just need to write an import into gnucash for it :) real accountants use gnumeric actually, real accountants use Excel real hacker accountants use gnumeric hacker_accountants = [ psu, esands, louis ... ] we'll have you outnumbered soon bwahahaha reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard Action: ajmitch waits for the US folk to leave & psu to run to work ;) gah, is that the time? psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("l8r"). hehe psu we use python s/[/{ oh he leve er left Action: derek is setting up billpay and ebills and such online and succumbing to 'the man' btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-245-160.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. esands (~nic@mdr1-port10.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: "reboot" esands (~nic@mdr1-port10.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. 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SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-163.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection has someone tried latest build of forms on a form with parameters? it seems expat parser does not longer recognize tag reinhard: i sended you a mail btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: ninja (~rossg@ip-195-149-26-185.nildram.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. pradhap (~pradhap@61.11.56.27) joined #gnuenterprise. gnuebot: oracle 9i + gnue ajmitch: does gnue supports oracle 9i pradhap (~pradhap@61.11.56.27) left irc: pradhap (~pradhap@61.11.56.27) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all does GNUe supports Oracle 9i ?? hi pradhap yes ra3vat_ there was answer about that on the maillist i d'nt see that :-( do you have any idea abt that ?? no, i can only paste from there okay juz do it ... http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/gnue-dev/2002-October/000290.html ok thanks ra3vat_ :-) np, give thanks to jcater :) :D has someone tried latest build of forms on a form with parameters? it seems expat parser does not longer recognize tag chillywilly (~danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (~rossg@ip-195-149-26-185.nildram.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) archanoid (~archanoid@208.46.62.150) joined #gnuenterprise. lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) joined #gnuenterprise. archanoid (~archanoid@208.46.62.150) left irc: Remote closed the connection archanoid (~archanoid@208.46.62.150) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (~rossg@ip-195-149-26-185.nildram.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. gnuebot: gnue + oracle 9i ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-245-160.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "It is easiest to suggest solutions when you know nothing about the problem" ninja (~rossg@ip-195-149-26-185.nildram.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. lol two messages in a row asking about Oracle 9i support oracle rocks my question is people looking for ERP that love oracle, why not looking at compiere ;) honestly, that's a good question I don't know if you asked in jest or not but I'd be curious as to why uggh! flu, flu, go away come back another day both ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) joined #gnuenterprise. i was kind of kidding but kind of serious as even if i had oracle i would want gnue :) but most people dont care about doing it right they just want instant gratification Action: derek is away: work ra3vat_ (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater: hi pradhap: howdy jcater: di you see my mail ?? pradhap: did you see my question jcater: did you see my mail ?? about if you use and have oracle 9i have you seen compiere an 'open source' ERP built on oracle 9i and java? it isnt a framework like gnue but its packages are far more complete Action: derek thinks long term you are better off with gnue (and we do work with oracle) but am curious if you saw compiere or not btw: jcater responded to your email pradhap: you will need DCOracle2 from http://www.zope.org/Members/matt/dco2/DCOracle2-1.2.tgz =========== You will need to install DCOracle2 (a Python Oracle driver) on your Debian machine in order to access Oracle. This can be obtained from: http://www.zope.org/Members/matt/dco2/DCOracle2-1.2.tgz Untar this file and run "python setup.py". Be sure your $ORACLE_HOME variable is properly set. Also, on my setup, I have needed: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$ORACLE_HOME/lib at some point in the past. I don't think this had to be set on my most recent upgrade, though. This will, of course, require the Oracle OCI8 client libraries on the Debian machine. ===================== yes, what derek said :) i think there is a sample connections.conf entry in the sample as well if not jcater can surely provide you with one fine .. or the documentation (new guide) will have one oops, I cut and pasted that response from another email wayneg (~merlinx@ppp1514.qld.padsl.internode.on.net) joined #gnuenterprise. so ignore that "on the Debian machine" yeah its 'debian' specific if you are not on debian it's not debian specific but you gave url for package so its relevant it requires the Oracle OCI8 libraries on whatever platform FreeBSD, Debian, Windows, RedHat, etc ok my connections.conf file looks like: [op] comment = NCS Production provider = oracle service = PROD.DBS.NCSMAGS.COM just fyi fine .. where PROD.DBS.NCSMAGS.COM is from my tnsnames.ora file I hope this helps we did answer your question, right? yes .. i will try to setup... if any queries, i will be back :-) to disturb you guys .. thanks for your support guys ... no problem that's why we're here :D my doubt was that in zope website, it was give DCOracle2 driver works with Oracle 8... so i thought it will not be compatible with Oracle 9i that's were i stuck .. well I *think* they are referring to the OCI version ydou guys heard of WSDL? which I don't think changed from Oracle8 to Oracle9 I'm actually still on Oracle8 so I can't verify that I hope it works for you though ok i will verify i will mail you .... i have nickr: wasnt it predecessor to SOAP or a piece of it Web Services Definition Language or something? derek: From what I read its like a nameservice for SOAP yes Like all the w3c xml standards its terribly verbose http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl fwiw: the microsoft .net guy couldnt shut up about this which tells me a lot about what it probably means :) in a nut shell I think the *concepts* of SOAP and WSDL are useful microsoft wants to be the networksolutions of WSDL I'm not sure about this particular iteration all your WSDL belongs to m$ Oh its not a global nameservice its a way of asking a particular host what interfaces they impliment like uhh that thing thatns part of sunrpc no im telling you i got 5 DAYS of .net immersion about 4 months ago one can run local WSDL and one can run a WSDL server but mickeysoft wants to control it Well sure i.e. say quicken talks to banks via webservices if they are retargeting themselves as service-based m$ wants to be the one that holds the WSDL stuff for that under prepice makes sense bank dont trust microsoft quicken dont trust bank Seems silly when its not a big deal to host it yourself everyone (sic) trusts microsoft re-examine that sentence seems silly = microsoft heh. seems silly that one would use a global login designed and maintained by the fellows who bring us the I love you and klez but m$ still thinks passport is a good idea ok going to work for real now I think the concept of passport is good, although a more distributed implimentation would be better er rather a distributed network of trust bye guys pradhap (~pradhap@61.11.56.27) left irc: derek still geting a Segmentation fault with gnue-forms Splash screen comes up; then font chooser; then segv lawrence: font chooser? gnue-designer is fine ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection can you try running with the -s option, and seeing if it still segfaults? or has someone already talked you through this? looks like -s option did the trick! you probably want to modify your gnue.conf file with: [forms] disableSplash = 1 then you won't have to use the -s option all the time we are having some issues with timeouts on our splash screen it rears it's ugly head on slower machines I guess we either need to find a solution, or disable the splashscreen by default :( it is a timer issue; i don't do any thing an it segv yeah the problem is, if the splashscreen tries to disappear before the main screen is completely drawn it segfaults we can increase the timer more but that's avoiding the problem, not fixing it :) slow machine? 1.4 athalon with a gig of memory not fast enough? wow this is the first time we've seen this problem on any thing faster than a 266Mhz what OS? FreeBSD 4.6.2 (not that it should matter) thanks now I can play again Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello btami_ (~btami@3e70d731.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all Arturas you here? Nick change: btami_ -> btami hi Bajusz hi yes, i'm here i have this in my sitecustomize.py : import sys, locale loc = locale.getdefaultlocale() if loc[1]: sys.setdefaultencoding(loc[1]) locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '') print 'Default encoding: %s' %sys.getdefaultencoding() print 'Locale conventions: %s' %locale.localeconv() what do you think ? in this way no need to set different encodings if i understand you correctly you're offering final user to modify his/her sitecustomize.py to enable GNUe work with his/her encoding? no and yes :) i imagine that setup rocess puts sitecustomize.py into some right place one linux guru noticed, that forcing users to modify sutecustomize.py is no good for several reasons - the most simpliest case would be some other software that needs current sitecustomize and it can't work with other sitecustomize and GNUe, that can't work with current sitecustomize it's good for us as developers it's good for some users but we can't enforce this and we should be able to support encodings as well as possible with current sitecustomize.py maybe we can offer this if there isn't any sitecustomize.py [i _think_ (i don't know this for sure) that installing python installs sitecustomize.py] yes, we can :) in win32 and python 2.1 2.2 the file doesn't exist per default and i think forcing enduser to make this file then write somethong into it not a frendly thing plus he have to know what is your encoding name the idea is pretty good, but currently for me is enough not working setup-cvs.py for windows :) :) :) ok :) l8r btami (~btami@3e70d731.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: Tauras (tauras@oberon.pfi.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hi marioct (~marioct@200-204-68-155.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined #gnuenterprise. hello people, i need some help hi how can we help you? I installed debian packages on my system, but nothing works. gnue-forms, gnue-designer ... Did you punch the monkey? what ? :) marioct: describe the symptoms of not working here is the message when I try to run gnue-forms. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/gnue-forms", line 39, in ? from gnue.forms.GFClient import * File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 40, in ? from gnue.forms.GFInstance import * File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 36, in ? from gnue.forms.GFForm import * File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFForm.py", line 35, in ? from gnue.common import GDebug, openResource, GConnections ImportError: cannot import name openResource ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) joined #gnuenterprise. gah. marioct: is this the latest debs from www.gnuenterprise.org ? that indicates serious package breakage. paci (~paci@212.94.129.20) left irc: "ciao" i just downloaded . yes. lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) left irc: "I like core dumps" Action: Arturas currently has no linux besides to test it :( Are you using windows ? currently yes :/ My python version is: Python 2.1.3 that shouldn't be a problem I'm new on python, so I can't find the problem . Do you know who made the debian packages ? no so..... what can I do ? :) if you're not in a big hurry, you can wait for a day or so we'll find someone who did debs and he'll take a look at it one of the js made them complain to them I think there was something on mailing list... one moment thanks. marioct: you have all the dependencies, don't you? I don't think that error would occur if there were missing dependencies what would occur then?? It'd say it can't import something like mxtime or whatever Or the package wouldn't install its having trouble importing something internal to the package yes I have all the dependencies. i don't find it in my mailbox, but i seem to remember there was something about it... maybe i'm mistakening in this week's gnue kernel cousins they say who is responsable I think I'll see there. revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. thanks people. bye revDeke: rev1 bye marioct hopefully someone helped you revDeke: We just abused him until he agreed to leave quietly hello. I find the problem. I found the problem. what was it? so if someone else comes in with same issue we can answer for them A previous version installed in my mystem :) jcater is one that made the debs by the way and the code from them is in cvs (iirc) in case issue comes up again normally jcater is here and quick to respond, but he has the flu rather badly and is very busy at work so he is kind of quiet today we try to be helpful to offset the fact that we are completely whacked ok, but the deb package was ok, my system was the problem. now I need another help. what is Error: No Forms Definition File Specified. when I execute gnue-forms ? you have to put some form file as a first parameter like: gnue-forms form.gfd ok, and there is any form file with examples ? lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) joined #gnuenterprise. yes in cvs tree it is under forms/samples/simple/form.gfd but i don't know where it goes under deb install Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) left #gnuenterprise ("reboot"). thanks again... I'll try learn something and I'll be back in a few days. marioct (~marioct@200-204-68-155.dsl.telesp.net.br) left #gnuenterprise. I was also at lunch :) Action: jcater is very consistent about lunch Lunch?! Good god, man. Leaving us here all alone while you stuff your gullet I know... I'm inconsiderate oh, well psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. as long as it wasnt pizza nope PIZZA chimichanga grrr that is my favorite mexican dish ok, it was pizza then deep fried with mexican flavorings you see they have deep fried twinkies now? yeah and such at fairs and stuff haven't tried one yet, though Action: revDeke is curious as to what they taste like Action: jcater guesses it would taste like a twinkie, only fried in Scotland, they have deep-fried Mars Bars drochaid could vouch for this not only do twinkies have an unlimited shelf life Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. they can survive being dipped in frying oil they are european mars bars though, not american ones revDeke: didn't they used to say, after the Bomb drops psu: yes the fair here had twinkies, mars, snickers etc etc all deep fried all that will survicve willbe the roaches and the twinkies psu: eat a box of twinkies and you will wish the bomb had dropped ;) conversion table is IIRC europe Mars == USA milky way europe Milky Way == USA something else USA Mars no equiv and (until about 10 years ago) europe Marathon == USA Snickers but now we have been snickered too Action: psu has no idea why anyone would be the least interested in this, but is merrily typing away anyway Action: nickr snickers psu: you are rather educated in the candy arts Action: psu wonders why the python books don;t use that as a dictionary example nickr: what else do you think gov't accountants do? Action: psu is like a jedi, but w/candy bars, not light sabres Actually, there was a Force bar once, IIRC you don't 'use' the force, you ingest it Action: jcater is like a jelly roll, but w/a thicker exterior I suppose really it should have been 1/2 milk 1/2 plain choc then it could have had a light side and a dark side... ls with my drawl nickR sounds like nicker so nickr snickers sounds kind of humorous :) psu needs to be KandyMan then him and ToyMan could hook up Nick change: jcater -> DonutMan revDeke: drawl? wtf Nick change: DonutMan -> jcater do you realize the significance of donutman? Nick change: psu -> potatochipsman revDeke: I like to think of myself as very significant Nick change: potatochipsman -> cheetosman but thanks for asking http://www.donutman.net/ the main reason i always come back ###s heavier from USA trips Action: cheetosman likes to put a tiger in his tank Nick change: cheetosman -> psu when you call yourself donutman i envision you with the stupid little hat and glasses of the real donutman and his lispy voice and the giant donut jumping around and well, its a disturbing vision :) what? you don't have a giant jumping donut? I thought everyone did if you are donutman does that make chillywilly 'duncan' psu: do you declare the extra weight? wtf i was going to order you a donutman shirt but they only make them in kids sizeds nickr: like oscar, I have nothing to declare but my genius ;-) haugh i will get you the puppet instead http://www.donutman.net/puppets.htm revDeke: wtf, they should make them in lardass sizes too actually TJ would probably like donut man revDeke: is donut man annoying as hell? if so, TJ will probably like him "Remember... Life without Jesus is like a donut" wtf?!?!?!? donuts are a GOOOOOD thing, man! so what conclusion should we draw from his statement? I could see it the other way around since donuts are 'holey' Action: nickr coughs wayneg (~merlinx@ppp1514.qld.padsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) http://www.donutman.net/scrapbook/scrapbook_files/duncankiss6.gif jcater: donutman is BEYOND annoying he makes you wish your kid liked barney instead if you want awesome kids shows with good production animation and values with minimal annoyingness check out veggietales http://www.veggietales.com jonah the movie was a bit boring but the rest of their stuff is great values? I don't want to teach TJ any values ?!?!? I want him to grow up just like daddy :) bye Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) left irc: rofl well there is jackass the movie ;) err, I wanted to start out with something more friendly like maybe the classic Debbie does Dallas ? ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) left irc: "Client Exiting" wayneg (~merlinx@ppp1075.qld.padsl.internode.on.net) joined #gnuenterprise. rofl jcater masterh is in rare form on livejournal lately debating whether to be non selfish for a woman (me assumes meghan is a woman) and then admitting to watching the golden girls bravo he is reaching the inner master h Tauras (tauras@oberon.pfi.lt) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.3 -- Are we there yet?" :) KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hi keith the KeithJagrs Win32 exes (as they shall be forever known) are currently 1/2 way thru being uploaded ;-) heheh give me 20 mins and they should be done via dial up modem? yep psu: btw: you do great job with the kernel cousins reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) heh #52 out this weekend then next week the 1st anniversary special should be a large one :) almost 80k ;-) ooh anniversary extravaganza Action: jcater goes back to read issue 1 cool and we still don't have the contact manager :) ;) yes we do just forms 0.4.0 broke it reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. then it wasn;t done right :) actually i think 0.3.0 broke it 0.4.0 might have fixed it btw: can i escalate a feature ? at least 4 others have asked for and now i need for production application Action: jcater checks his mailbox for donuts bbias hmmm 1. the realtime updating of dropdown boxes no donuts /dcc donuts(dozen(2)) what i have is a case of product categories that can have parents the parents are in combo boxes so if i add a new one then add a second and want what i added as the first to be a parent, i have to shut the form down and restart it to get it to show in the dropdown Action: revDeke hopes that is clear i know we discussed in detail when someone else asked about it Action: revDeke would be fine if i can do it via triggers is there a gnue reference database used for demos? most of the samples have sql create scripts to create teh database to run the demos currently they are for postgres BUT i plan (or someone else could) convert them to use GNUe Schema Definition in which case all dbs woudl be supported :) i ran some demos but they complained about no data tables don't exist what demo? zipcode stuff went in jcater: im thinking maybe we make gear files and navigator files and one of the launchers on the navigator runs the actual db create scripts? oh I never got to navigator yet, thanks. revDeke: I'm adding a resetForeignKey, but do note that you are programming for specific UI features if using a combo that way for the record, both the downloads/current and downloads/releases dirs now have both a debug-on.exe and debug-off.exe for Win 32 of the Tools 0.4.0a releases thanks to btami for all the hard work 0.4.0a? well, release 0.4.0, package a i.e. still based on the 0.4.0 release tarball but with "no wonder jcater hated mcmillan, but we finally got it working" packaging psu: it's a love/hate relationship jcater: are you her b1tch or vice versa? the former next website job is reinhard's app server corrections but first, sleep time psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("nite..."). jcater: i dont fully understand your question complaint i.e. resetForeignKey likely would solve my problem know and i dont mind having to call triggers to get the behavior i.e. im not saying the framework should do this automagically perhaps im confused? nevermind btw: where is the url to your open office user guide http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/Developers-Guide.pdf no source? in cvs but don't modify the source gnue/forms/doc/Developers-Guide.sxw um ok i assume cause its binary and you have pending changes as well? yeah I'm still heavily working on it did you get the link i sent about filter to always use uncompressed xml yeah I need to look at that have you or jamest been able to test it? no What does GNUe Volunteer look like, first day on the job? http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/goats/anothergoat.jpg what is the Idea wiht the goat OLD joke did you see my wife.deb in there? :) when we first started jamest often said he was getting 'mad goat raped' by the environment yeah i liek that one :) and since then goat terminology has stuck small wife 90 lbs oops forgot the leading 2 ok, but i mean, is the goat the mascot of gnue? unofficially, yes a gnu is no, goat is from the goat book Action: jcater still likes my t-shirt design http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/goats/developers-shirt.pdf i actually have had that hanging in my cube for sometime.l :) You sound like Steve Jobs "100/wk and loving it" or shirt does anothergoat would make a better tshirt imho scape goat I dont get the "fear the whip " thing KeithJagrs: deke is a slave driver spare the whip, spoil the coder ;) The Developers-Guide answered some questions i was about to ask. The docs on the web site are wanting lawrence: be careful.... our usual response is "we accept patches" :) lawrence: are wanting? they are wanting a little TLC or a good swift kick, depending on your approach The docs on the web site sell gnue very well but are not that good in explaining how to get things working nickr: yes never mind i cant paste with this client http://nick.industrialmeats.com/data/pictures/photos/2002-october-24/93.html dug out some old 'masta' refereneces http://gnue.org/~dneighbo/funny.php my favorite is still the cartman mp3 someday i would like to revamp this http://gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/release_notes/gnuereleaseprocedures.html and make it so we can hand a release checkoff to non developers step 1. vodka step 2. run setup.py sdist step 2. vodka step 3. Rum step 4. install latest mcmillan step 4. skip the beer step 5. take 4 tylenol, chased by tequilla rofl no wonder we never release its too expensive :) Gah asperin, ibioprophen, anything except for tylenol and liquer jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-191-161.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. I would start with some pinha colada wow interesting old stuff im finding http://gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/gnue_forms_article/gnue_forms_article.html gack http://gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/gnue_forms_article/node7.html wtf were you thinking?!?!? :) http://gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/gnue_forms_article/node10.html man I don't miss that one :) KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) Does any know of a good reference database that would work well with gnue? MS uses Northwind reference database? ah we need one I was thinking about that when writing the developer's guidfe it would make samples much easier Keith_jgrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. doe SAP-DB come with one? yes i believe it does scott tiger on oracle is not that complete last time i looked but scott/tiger is a good start that's one thing I liked about Oracle's books every one of their manuals (and boy did they have a LOT of manuals) all used examples based on the scott/tiger db I printed then all out I'd like to see us do something similar I'll work on one does any one have suggestions ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: ": I'm off to make more toys..." hmmm well, if possible, it shouldn't be country-specific like "zip codes" etc date and times are all country specific (that's the example I used in the developer's guide, but I need a better one) Nick change: Keith_jgrs -> KeithJagrs you there? sorry. wrong channel I'm here ;) siesel (jan@dial-194-8-195-83.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi hi siesel jcater: btw. the new openoffice developer version should support docbook import+export siesel: not really they say that but that's what I'm using and it doesn't have it I think you need Java 1.4 installed plus a few other things yes, I tried it several times - even on WiNdOwS - but it didn't worked for me :( I thought you would probably have more luck ;) btw. what about the next release? will it be 0.4.1 (i.e. bugfixing) or a 0.5.0 ? my thinking: if I get curses working well in short time 0.5.0 if not, 0.4.1 or even 0.6.0 looking at the speed you and jamest are commiting things ;) 0.5.0 ?? 0.6.0? it all depend on curses? ? 0.4.1 or 0.5.0 curses and my developer's guide I don't want to go 0.5.0 without a good developer's guide finished well finished is a bad word usable :) btw. the developers guide is great. finally I know how to add timestamps, etc. :) night all reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There's always one more imbecile than you expect" Action: revDeke STRONGLY warns all those silly people thinking this developers guide is a good thing that jamest and jcater plot to torture users you see if you make a really great user guide and release it and people find it useful then when you release 0.5.0 and half the implementation is different it makes for great luser torture :) that's the problem with documentation: you have to update it. :) That is the problem with software not documentation. they should add a feature to designer that makes spikes fly at the user's head nickr: i think that is on roadmap for 6.6.6 KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jcater is openoffice doing table of contents and the index and such for you? ToyMan (~stuq@170.215.194.191) joined #gnuenterprise. revDeke: speaking of which, i just rented "Omega Code 2" i saw it, was ok Meggido right? i want to see left behind 2 are the developer guide code samples severely mispaced for anyone else ex: page 6 2/3 way down dbname =m ydb alias =t utorial instead of dbname = mydb alias = tutorial siesel (jan@dial-194-8-195-83.netcologne.de) left irc: "Eject! Eject! Eject!" spacing seems off on nearly every code sample, but that is one of more noticeable places im assuming its the 'translation' to pdf that is causing it? looking at pdf page 6 looks fine to me morning siesel (jan@213.168.64.141) joined #gnuenterprise. hi siesel hi ajmitch jcater_ (~jcater@24.165.223.104) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater's evil twin!! mwahahaha forgot to log out at work again sigh this old age is catching up w/me you almost as old as chillywilly? when's his b'day? dunno jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection Nick change: jcater_ -> jcater jason: In the developers guide there are two wrong tag names in the examples. ok its and instead of and ah ok thanks jcater look at log and see my comment on spacing revDeke: which pdf reader do you use? xpdf shows correct spacing. hmm what are you using I use acroreader as does gv btw, I'm having to use ps2pdf (after printing to PS within openoffice) and ps2pdf is known for crappy, crappy font handling is ps2pdf also part of ghostview? ghostscript right yeah Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. re lawrence: "as does gv".... displays fine or messes up spacing? yes is spaces ok with gv Action: jcater wonders what revDeke is using as acroread, gv, and xpdf seems to work is there an old doc that he has? Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) sigh im using adobe acrobat on win2k Action: revDeke hangs head in shame its only thing connected to a printer here at work how weird which version? as my linux boxes dont run novel services as I have 4.0 under win98 4.05 btw: have you PRINTED it as it looks fine in the viewer its not until you print it that it looks goofy using acrobat reader for linux I've printed it oh, well not a huge deal I'm sure ps2pdf is handling something incorrectly as long as its not wide spread im not losing sleep and it views fine I can use Acrobat Distiller come release time OpenOffice 643 has an "Export to PDF" menu option well i would be curious if you make a distiller copy if the problem goes away but she segfaults every single time I try it so as soon as OO gets that working I'm sure it'll be irrelevant I don't have distiller at home so can't test at the moment thats ok we wont use distiller well ya know I think MS Word's Export as PDF works so I could just convert over to that while I'm at it roflmao yeah the new version of office comes with M$ Active Klez too what is most used to edit python? emacs python in general? or our python code python code I use vi and Kate I use emacs (depending on whether I'm in X or not) and I code python a lot esp. gnue emacs with etags works was the best I found so far boa crashes kate has good syntax highlighting are you gnome or kde (or neither?) I've heard good things about gedit (for gtk or gnome) I have major problems with gnome locking X11 i like gedit a bit so now i use KDE im sorry flux or blackbox is best scripto bold! rock actually i would like to try blackbox more or some other light variants its weird as now my main computer uses only flux and im used to it and dont feel like im 'missing' things so its really hard to justify kde or gnome anymore but for the wife gnome is great (she didnt like kde for some reason) mainly cause she used the foot first thats what we call it at our house :) its not gnome its the foot lawrence: have you tried kate? gnome is cute so is kate ;) it's a standard part of KDE 3+ I have kate loaded but have not tried it jcater how did you get kde3 on debian? Action: jcater thinks it was in 2.2.2 as well, but 3+ is even better can you send me the steps in an email? as i need kde3 to make my music db program work and i dont want to compile from scratch I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you does that cost extra? i ran kde compile and down load over night deb http://ftp.du.se/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.0.4/Debian/sid/ ./ apt-get install konqueror rock will have to try tomorrow or late tonight bbl revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. jcater: I've tried to build a testcase for that resetForeignKey() statement, but there are some issues, which need to change a bit of code in common do you have 5 mins? crazymike (~mike@mke-65-29-140-82.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (~mike@mke-65-29-140-82.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel: I hadn't finished the resetForeignKey stuff I just committed because I had to come home its the parameter stuff which made me changing stuff. ? i've made a form with two dropdowns. The user can choose a state in the first, and should choose a city in the next and will get displayed the zipcode in an style=label entry the second dropdown is using a parameter in a condition to display just the cities from the state chosen in the first dropdown so I added a setParameter function. hrm but that didn't work because of caching parameters values in the cparam class and right because of the dbsig dbdriver replacing the staticCondidition by a preparsed string :( which is also the reason of passing a parameter in the command line is not working at the moment. hmm I had intended on runtime parameters to be read only Action: jcater is trying to think through your example lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection yes, thats (should runtime parameter be read only) was the thing I was not so shure about. I guess they don't have to be I suppose we can add a setParameter and get rid of the caching code other possibilities would be to have a 'populateForeignKey' or a 'add/change staticConditions' I doubt the caching code speeded things up much anyway So I will change the dbsig thing too. where's that at? Action: jcater hadn't noticed it its in __conditiontoSQL (_dbsig/DBdriver.py) the BAD line is: element._children[i] = self.__conditionToSQL(element._children[i]) This will change the GObj tree. well, phooey Action: jcater wonders what kind of performance hit a change like that will make hmm I wonder.... should we NOT modify the GObj tree in _dbsig but still create the static condition but add an invalidateCachedConditions() method it will only change the staticConditions, because the rest will allways be newly created ? the dbsig stuff is not REALLY caching anything, but just overwriting child nodes. f.e. 1. time: and(eq(obj('state'),obj('NY')),gr(obj('sales'),obj('21')))) 2. time: and("state = NY","sales>21") but its not important how it works now. its important how it should work. it recursively changes stuff until you are left with a single string so that it only has to do that once yes, but the only caching it is doing is to store these strings into the child nodes instead of the old GObjects in the end, there's only one node BUT the whole string should be stored at an other place and the child nodes should be left alone I said that earlier :) I wonder.... should we NOT modify the GObj tree in _dbsig but still create the static condition but add an invalidateCachedConditions() method maybe not plainly enough hmm there's not a clean solution to this to have changable runtime parameters I guess there are a few cases where that would be desirable, though the other possibility would be to change the staticConditions using a trigger. Action: jcater isn't sure what you're calling staticConditions is this the string that's finally built from __conditionsToSQL? no, thats a link from GDataObject to the childs of a GDatasource ah it is always combined with the "dynamic condition" to build a resultset ok, now it's coming back to me :) so you are thinking we could add a setCondition() method to GDataSource? or something like that that would be great. ok works for me its just a bit OVERKILL for just changing a parameter SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-163.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) I mean, I would like to have both possibilities. true *but* what you are describing is not the typical case err, typical use of a parameter although I'm not opposed to having a setParameter as long as we don't add much more overhead to datasources that's my biggest fear e.g., I have one report using GNUe Reports right now that's a master/detail report there's approx 1,800 records in the master datasource so that's 1,800 times the child datasource is run Action: jcater is just describing his current GNUe Reports usage I have much more complex reports to do my actual patch to have parameter working is just to NOT cache the static part of the parameters Remosi (dahoose@219.88.247.104) joined #gnuenterprise. ok lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) joined #gnuenterprise. If reports is getting too slow we still can add caching, and probably in a better way :) so, the plans are to add a DataSource.setCondition() and a Form.setParameter() and remove parameter caching? we can see how that works I may be worried about nothing :) but you do understand my worry about reports, right? I fully understand. And I finally know why you add that caching line to parameters Isomer (dahoose@port-219-88-246-84.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) jason Developer Guide printed fine spacing is OK cool mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection siesel (jan@213.168.64.141) left irc: "BitchX sucks" siesel (jan@195.14.244.183) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: rdean is away: blah KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. 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