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SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-28.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-98-11.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. morning :) hello siesel hi reinhard. /me is actually writing an email about the need for changes of the appserver interface ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) left irc: Client Quit ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) left irc: Client Quit ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) joined #gnuenterprise. good i'm already curious siesel: just got the mail i will answer by mail so it is documented in the list archives ok. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-98-11.netcologne.de) left irc: "lunch time" ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-97-160.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. wb siesel ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-97-160.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Nick change: SachaS -> SachaS_away Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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I don't have a ps viewer to hand) of course, real men (like chillywilly) don't need docs they just read the source ;-) heh funny guy jbailey (~jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). btw, anyone who is cheap like me and hasn't gotten around to springing for the GoF book on Design Patterns might also find these notes useful: http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/courses/spring98/cs635/notes/index.html Action: psu has got to kick some serious butt and get our website in CVS as I'm getting fed up of having to scp files across manually cvs import ;) having kept careful note of whic files I've changed anyway on a more positive note, everyone's favourite weekend reading material is now up at http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20021026_52.html woot! yay! congrats on a full year of having to reread through all our crap Action: jcater wonders if I should be apologizing instead gnuebot2 (~eggdrop@65.101.4.211) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Nick change: gnuebot2 -> gnuebot Possible future nick collision: gnuebot #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. heh as we started counting from 1, not 0 I consider next week the 1st anniv will probably do some stats "summarised xxxMB of log, xxxMB of mail, x troutslappings xxxGb of rants with the latter being the mosit important ;) and x mentions of goats down to xx kb of KC ;-) xxx mentions of donuts the troutslapping stat decides all ;) psu: no mention of my linuxfund comments? ;) Mr_You (~car@gso88-217-049.triad.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. oh wow, nice quote ;) Action: chillywilly missed it before i always appear in kc as some sort of insane topic drifter knowitall of the shoe fits... s/of/if hmmm, I think hte Bridge pattern could turn out to be useful in the appserver for business objects implementation you can change the object implementation at run-time depending on the "version" well it would allow for it anyway Nick change: Maniac-z -> Maniac rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. byr mh hm bye :) Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) left irc: btami (~btami@3e70d733.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all jcater or jamest ? neither ;P :( j/k hi chilly howdy I dunno if they are "here" or not i think i find a python bug well actually jcater might be around last he said something was 50 minutes ago or so there was a ticket about reports run into unix_getpass on win2k/XP jcater closed it before but i'v just tried it again and? and get the same error blah i looked into getpass.py in python and your patch is on the way? ;) not yet :) it tries to import termios and if success, he thinks it is unix Action: rdean is away: family fun time but on XP import is ok but unix_getpass not so, some workaround is needed... yea, jcater needs to write portable code ;) more portable :) getpass.py is from the python standard lib? yes hmmm, guido says he added sindows support ;) # Authors: Piers Lauder (original) # Guido van Rossum (Windows support and cleanup) hehe, that is a GREAT typo sindows lol :) so, getpass.py error is Guido's mistake maybe ;) not maybe, fact! well I dunno it should call win_getpass and import msvcrt etc. yes, but import termios doesn't fire ImportError: on XP yust a DeprecationWarning C:\Python22\lib\termios.py:7: DeprecationWarning: the TERMIOS module is deprecated; please use termios DeprecationWarning) if i type: termios weird yes why does it complain that it is deprecated then tell you to use it again? that's stupid don't know so then as soon as it is able to import it, it jumps to the else: getpass = unix_getpass? yes but there is no unix_getpass right? there is but fails on XP oh unix_getpass in getpass.py module s/in/is in I know even on XP? then it fails on line old = termios.tcgetattr(fd) # a copy to save on XP, yes oh so it really doesn't support termios? it lies? ;) yes :( doesn python 2.2 claim to support sindows XP? maybe it's NOT Guido's fault :) i never seen what OS's are supported did you jst runt he executable here: http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.2.2/Python-2.2.2.exe ? yes well I would say that win XP has "issues" ;) :) it lies abot termios ;) did you look to see if that function was in the termios.py file? there isn't termios.py just a TERMIOS.py the DeprecationWarning comes from him """Backward-compatibility version of TERMIOS; export constants exported by termios, and issue a deprecation warning. """ import warnings warnings.warn("the TERMIOS module is deprecated; please use termios", DeprecationWarning) # Export the constants known to the termios module: from termios import * # and *only* the constants: __all__ = [s for s in dir() if s[0] in "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"] and thats all i can't fallow :) ooooh follow is this a stupid windws case sensitivity boo boo? no, i don't think there's no termios.py ? no in lib directory try renaming TERMIOS.py and see if the import fails and if that makes it se win_getpass s/se/use/ and the .pyc or .pyo there is two files: TERMIOS.py and terrmios.pyc rename them once but deleting termios.pyc, doesn't helps or move them ot of the way i renamed TERMIOS.py to termios.py same error no rename them to something totally different or just tac on a .save so they don't get imported at all cause I don't believe Win XP supports termios good idea, but not too elegant as a workaround :) or at least it is broken try it anyway you can always fix it by chaning the names again it works now (of course) uses win_getpass now? but i don't think jcater's code will remove anything from python lib yes! no it's not his fault perhaps the python packers screwed up or Win XP has broken termios support maybe my poor man's workaround was calling GRRun.py with command line parameters uname, passw but today i forgot this, and got the old error btami_ (~btami@3e70d737.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. l8r btami_ (~btami@3e70d737.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: Client Quit psu: just reading the logs texi2pdf is in texinfo package oops no tetex-bin btami (~btami@3e70d733.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Maniac (~User@24.82.132.209) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard: thanks rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) joined #gnuenterprise. lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) left irc: "I like core dumps" jcater: your Developers-Guide.pdf example XML shell (page 9)
attribute value must be quoted your example Action: ninja just being pernickety :) rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. you familiar with ninja techniques or no? Nick change: Mr_You_ -> Mr_You Mr_You: i ride one, i am not one ok :) I wanna new Buell Lightning XB9S ;-) Action: ninja likes the noise Buell's make distinctive just checked out the Buell wbesite - the XB9S looks pretty awesome anyone have cd-rw working on linxu derek: yep those new frame designs look kick ass does it take extra mojo? or is it pretty simple? have you done the 'ide-scsi' dance? that's about as hard as it gets, iirc Action: ninja realises that he didn't read the question right derek: sorry, i've done cd-r but not cd-rw quick question for the channel... i've been looking a little bit into gnue over the last few weks (hence my lurking) i just need cd-r i have not done the ide-scsi dance yet thats what im worried about what tool do you use to burn? cdrecord? well i suppose time to stop fussing and just put the drive in and start to sink :) or swim i'm looking to use gnue for basic quoting/invoicing when i go self-emlpoyed later this week Action: derek hunts down nickr he is always good to annoy with my stupid questions ;) derek: yep, cdrecord is good ninja: it cant do that out of box but it should be good at it i think dcl will be PERFECT for that have you compiled a kernel with an 'ide-scsi' module? in about 2 releases ah schiest please dont tell me i have to compile a kernel to get cdr to work latest alpha version of gnucash is implementing invoicing features. i'm also looking to help develop gnue and if it's up to the job, deploy it for my customers Mr_You: w/o a sql backend derek: yeah.. it should probably be pretty decent for a one man band deal. ninja: dcl is all workorder/ticket based which is how most independent consultants work it just needs stronger contact management and billing features I think they are working on that now. that's the kind of thing i can probably help with I'm wondering if an email trigger might be good for time keeping? basically, i'm leaving my current job at the end of the week and going to Thailand for six months iwth my laptop i'm hoping to just relax and unwind and get the beginnings of a business management system together, which i can use to run my own stuff, and to demonstrate to potential clients cool guess I'll email siesel we've been missing each other derek: need any help with cd-r? so where can i find more info about this dcl then? link on the website reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) joined #gnuenterprise. ScottishPig (~Bedlam@esx132dhcp939.essex01.md.comcast.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja: i will probably need help went to get some lunch now am installing derek: it's an IDE drive? I having a gnome2 troubles... like gnome1 programs need gnomeConf.sh & gnome2 doesn't install it. So... uhh... is there something to do, or am I just screwed? yeah samsung cd-r sw-232 derek: have you built your kernel with ide-scsi? the cdrecord program uses a SCSI API ScottishPig: what distro? Debian the ide-scsi module is required to make cdrecord think it is writing to a SCSI drive ScottishPig: this is gnu enterprise not gnu in general there is #debian on this irc system if you are using debian and on irc.gnome.org there is #gnome ScottishPig (~Bedlam@esx132dhcp939.essex01.md.comcast.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Thanks for your time"). Action: ninja is a lurker on #gnome too :) both of which will likely have more poeple aroudn to answer gnome specific questoins derek: didn't your momma warn you about playing with CD-R? have you read the CD-Recording-HOWTO? it's actually VERY complete Action: Mr_You wants to formally recommend we don't name a product with the acronymn POS for fear of reticule ;-) reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: i have not read it but generally i think linux docs suck EVERYTIME i have used official docs they have me do about 100 things that when i talk to someone that knows what they are doing they say dont do that do this (and it ends up being a 100 times easier) :) how is dcl part of gnue? as the linux stuff generally is non distro specific so often has you do things the oldest most generic way looks pretty standalone to me is part of gnue :) currently mindshare jcater has a point - the HOWTO is how I learned to do it and in cvs there are gnue forms that work with dcl ahh the dcl php code looks pretty well thought out compared to most of the PHP hacks I've come across jcater: you be around to bounce questions off of for cdr mainly do i really have to compile a kernel? probably no or is there a debian kernel around i can use probably <-- /me being around no <-- debian kernels all support it whew ok powering down old box and inserting hardware bbiab you will need to go into modconf derek: as long as the kernel was built with ide-scsi and have ide-scsi loaded at startup btw, that's under kernel/drivers/scsi derek: you also need to add 'hdb=ide-scsi' kernel option to the kernel startup im going to modconf now to set then installing drive is that ok? or must i install drive first? I also have sr_mod selected on that same menu so it must be related (as I don't have any other scsi stuff on this machine) you can do it now sigh my over night upgrade didnt complete will be a little slower than i thought grr try this for CD-R: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html same shit differnt bucket same bucket different sh*t ;) shot? shirt? is this a guessing game? Action: jcater likes games i got dvd working here finally but my xserver/video card sucks too bad to play dvds :( someday linux is really improving daily the new debian desktop project and gui installer (piggy) should make debian really nice linux is like a fine wine i love it (the grape variety, not the Win32 variety) it gets better w/age even though occassionally it stains the carpet when i spill ;) sigh using debian for pr0n again? knoppix is much better for that leaves less of a trace ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) left irc: "Client Exiting" http://www.cutestuf.com/flash_0602/bitchy_betty.cfm if you have a significant other and have been with them more than a year you might wet yourself with that link Has anyone got an example of a "Media Resources" page for another project that I can, ahem, be inspired by ? yes i saw one that was interesting now if i can only recall which one it was Action: psu could always google for "Media Resources" +linux i think i found but i wont paste here friggin update is taking forever busted packages suck jcater anothergoat.jpg -- goat needs a hat, holster and gun his name would be Wyatt Erp, background will need $AP, People $oft tombstones i would agree but i sadly have respect for sap now :( such a shame but doing a SAP-DB as GPL and the amount they are putting into the community in that area just blows me away right now i would rather see I'm sure they would love the market share like Apache has. navision, peachtree, quickbooks, greatplains they have ulterior motives -- consulting in the background as we will replace them first lawrence: no doubt they have motives and im not saying i stand behind r/3 or mysap just saying i have some respect for them, which i didnt before getting involved with sap-db derek: in a way, people like SAP grokking free s/w is more important than volunteer projects like this yes as in "more joy in heaven over one sinner repenteth" etc that is my 'amazement' of course, w/o the volunteer projects, that they chose the GPL instead of making the SAP Open License SAP consultants are one of the highest paid in the industry some lawyer somewhere at SAP gets it free s/w would never have even got started lawrence: not in my experience (in cost to the customer anyway) i am also amazed that they have about 10 people full time just answering community questions and interfacing with community for SAP-DB and about 100 person team total for SAP-DB until recently i have never heard of SAP db I used to work for a data warehouse monitoring company ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) joined #gnuenterprise. rossg_ (rossg@home.golder.org) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (rossg@home.golder.org) left irc: Client Quit ok, new media resources page up http://www.gnuenterprise.org/project/media.php brickbats and bouquets to the usual address hmm DHL says oversea brickbat deliveries are on hold until after the war on terrorism subsides guess bouquets will ahve to do ok new cd installed machine rebooted Action: derek wonders how i can tell if it was successful two modules installed ide-scsi and the other one srXXXX dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. looks like a bad thunderstorm brewing will have to rush this (hahahaa) what all have you done? modconf and selected 2 modules you requested ide-scsi and the srXXXX (i dont recall it) which hd?? is the cd-r on? installed drive(cdr) and rebooted computer i have two cd drives here and one hard drive i jsut dont know next step i.e. is there some configuration that goes with ide-scsi or does just loading it do the trick? log in as root i only see a /dev/cdrom and not a /dev/cdrom0 /dev/cdrom1 or anything cd /dev/ im in as root umask -S u=rwx,g=rwx,o-rwx [ -f loop0 ] \ || ./MAKEDEV loop \ || for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; do mknod loop$i b 7 $i; done [ -f sg0 -o -f sga ] \ || ./MAKEDEV sg \ || for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; do mknod sg$i c 21 $i; done rtfm ;P under woody just loading it was enough for me anyway really? it'll set the first drive to /dev/scd0 IIRC I had to go thru these steps first you send $100 to chillywilly is that all one command? THEN you pray chillywilly: ah, so you are a televangalist or an irc-vangelist? after that cdrecord -scanbus found the device no problem :) praaaise the Looord then I installed cdbackoven for kde (as kde is the shit man) :P wash your mouth out jamest! that gave me drag and drop cd burning real men use the command line you have to pull the cdbakeoven .debs from the post to the kde3 on debian info page google search for kde3 debian i have to run l8r dneighbo: if you run kde I will hunt you down ;) and kiss him? for being so visionary? burn him at the stake of course for being a heretic ;) aegagrus:/dev# umask -S u=rwx,g-rwx,o-rwx u=rwx,g=,o= aegagrus:/dev# [ -f loop0 ] \ > || ./MAKEDEV loop \ > || for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; do mknod loop$i b 7 $i; done aegagrus:/dev# [ -f sg0 -o -f sga ] \ > || ./MAKEDEV sg \ > || for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; do mknod sg$i c 21 $i; done aegagrus:/dev# cdrecord -scanbus bash: cdrecord: command not found (rofl its always something with me) apt-getting now jcater what do you use to burn? wee err well Action: dneighbo isnt opposed to kde apps :) i need kde3 on this machine anyhow chillywilly: NOT FOR A DESKTOP seeing as I only burn VideoCDs and Debian ISOs I use cdrdao but if jamest recommends something he gave to his lusers I'm sure it'll work for you fsck i meant to install as suid just a minute need to reconfig that so wifey and kids can burn cds dneighbo: that's like saying I'll se windows apps with wine Action: dneighbo thinks thats why the drag and drop sounds nice you're still evil if you do ;) Action: dneighbo has been called worse than 'evil' Action: jcater glares at someone who's reading a pirated ebook "pirated" HAH! roflmao that's rich ok aegagrus:/dev# cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord 1.11a34 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'ATAPI ' 'DVD-ROM 16X ' '422L' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) 'SAMSUNG ' 'CD-R/RW SW-232B ' 'R300' Removable CD-ROM 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * aegagrus:/dev# looks like it found that bad dog woot so you equate copying digital information to the moral equivalent of attacking a ship? so your device if it is this easy im impressed and will build a little faq if any programs ask is 0,1,0 on my debian page for others dneighbo: I cut and pasted from the HOWTO that I told you to read :) yes but wading through howtos is painful it's that kind of mindset that bring us nice laws like the DMCA i am trying to compile debian specific howtos that are QUICK and DIRTY one comment before you get any further have ext2 to ext3, java plugin and flashplugin as more none of your cds are at /dev/hd?? any longer the DVD is at /dev/scd0 Action: dneighbo doesnt know the CD-R is at /dev/scd1 you might want to create symlinks in /dev for /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd etc chillywilly: maybe so but it's also people ripping unauthorized copies that gets it started in the first place two wrongs don't make a right rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: Connection timed out so it should be usable now? unless you are engaging in civil disobedience dneighbo: yes ouch cdrecord is a command line? jcater: I have a paper copy now is there a gui tool out that is in debian sid ? dneighbo: most "GUI's" are actually shells around cdrecord Action: dneighbo should just hunt down kde 3 it has all the middle-earth maps on it and everything in it and get jamest's little toy jcater:~# apt-cache search cdrecord you still have sources.list for kde3 jcater? cdbakeoven - common GUI for writing CDs under KDE cdcontrol - A parallel burner that allow you to write to one or more CD-Writer at once cdrecord - A command line CD/DVD writing tool cdrecord-dev - The libschily SCSI user level transport library cdrtoaster - Tcl/Tk front-end for burning cdrom. dvdrecord - A tool for writing DVD's and CD's eroaster - The ECLiPt Roaster gcombust - GTK+ based CD mastering and burning program gramofile - Transfer sound from gramophone records to CD gtoaster - Gnome Toaster, a GUI for creating CDs mkisofs - Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images. simplecdrx - SimpleCDR-X is a frontend for CD writing and mastering. what a silly question deb http://ftp.du.se/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.0.4/Debian/sid/ ./ and if you wanna do mplayer or VideoCD stuff with it I have those too gtoaster is nice # VideoCD/DiVX, etc, stuff deb http://mplayer.nmeos.net testing/ deb http://marillat.free.fr/ testing main deb http://mplayer.nmeos.net unstable/ deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main i think have both of those : ) as marillat does flash and i got mplayer to do dvd ME TOO! dneighbo: we'll have to track down the cdbakeoven debs though' you know who owns the LOTR manuscripts is Marquette University here in Milwaukee http://coyote.asoc.euitt.upm.es/mud/debian/cdbakeoven_1.8.9-1_i386.deb and I also don't believe that copying an ebook is morally wrong if someone were to have the hard copy or not there's a difference between morality and legality :) sure, but I was talking abot morals as evil is not a legal term ;) afaik but I am saying it tongue-in-cheek as KDE is FS and I like giving dneighbo crap ;) gtoaster! [16:35] Last message repeated 2 time(s). chillywilly: i believe you, dneighbo and jcater are the axis of evil j/k :) lol our not-so-elected president doesn't help matters if you wanna call him that he's a putz worse he's a puppet I can deal with a putz president dneighbo: did I forget to mention: gtoaster? today is a public holiday in austria btw gtoaster i have up but its not very intuitive i just want to copy one disk to another and i dont see something simple to do that oct 26 1955 the last american soldier left austria after ww2 reinhard: what holiday is that? it 's like our jul 4th :) it's the day of our independence and the day we remember how good it is to be a neutral country Action: jcater wishes we were neutral independence from Germany? but, NO, we have to be the fscking self-appointed police neither belonging to nato nor to warshaw pact (sp?) chillywilly: independence from occupation occupation by whom? chillywilly: germany is still occupied by the US officially (IIRC) since ww2 really? at least it was for a _very_ long time as well as eastern germany was from russia s/from/by/ Action: jcater has been watching this for about a year: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-psyco.html?t=gr,lnxw03=PsycoC im too dumb to get how the hell to use gtoaster its pretty and looks neat looks like it's something that might be useful sooner than later but there is no apparent clear way to actually do anything useful at least it's a fact that after ww2 the USSR occupied several countries esands (~nic@mdr1-port10.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("nite..."). chillywilly: and austria was the _only_ one they left w/o force until the breakdown in 1989 they say it's because we have very good wine in austria and when our politicans talked to russian politicans they didn't talk too much but they gave them wine :) enough of politics for today :) yes, it is a depressing subject ofr us lamericans er, for one really cool thing about owning a used book store now is it gives you a different perspective on history as we see some older books come through history books but stuff that the modern history books don't see as important as say WWII so is apt-get install konqueror enough? dneighbo: unless you need specialized stuff later on that gets most of kde ok cool sigh Action: dneighbo forgets this is debian : ) the packages will get what they need (thats so darned nice) # gnome 2 deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main :) add that ;) chillywilly: you had your chance hey if you are too stpid then what can I say? and you never piped up on how to make gtoaster 'work' i installed it and fired it up I don't use it I use cdrecord if im too stupid i say try something for me :P Action: dneighbo doesnt want to spend 4 hours learning how to burn a cd if i cant do it in 10 minutes the software is designed like crap i want my 7 year old to be able to burn cds in fact installing this thing appears to have been so easy (thanks jcater) that i spent more time trying to use gtoaster than i did installing the darn drive whatever xcdroast is better btw: your current attitude is exactly why people are flocking to kde and away from gnome : ) which is a shame btw, who cares? night all reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" ack I was just talking to him dude just up and bails on me without even saying bye (in the message window that is) sure he did I think he was responding to your who cares "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" :) somehow I don't think you were there to witness our conversation since it was private oh crap I gotta go get my new glasses now edna.sourceforge.net is pretty sweet python mp3 streamer that is webserver everything all rolled up i.e. it just abuses the power of python is small and tiny and makes you have nothing but python 1.5.2 installed :) Action: dneighbo creams himself cdbakeoven is nicer than easycdcreator or nero is the sync socket server in common still unfinished? er async brb Action: chillywilly is away: errands Failed to lunch CD Bake Oven Settings Dialog::::KDEInit could not launch 'kcmshell': Could not find 'kcmshell' executable. Failed to lunch CD Bake Oven Settings Dialog::::KDEInit could not launch 'kcmshell': Could not find 'kcmshell' executable. jcater any ideas? btw, derek all you had to do was setup the device in preferences and then click the CD tab and tell it to record...and I did all this jst from looking at it for only the second time in my life ;) cdbakeove looks nice but it doesnt recognize my drives but the gtoatser was mainly a farce to sawy you form KDEism and the config tool wont work :( ;) I haven't used it pin down jamest cdrecord! [17:07] Last message repeated 3 time(s). ;-P derek: don't worry though, if you base anything on *my* attitude you won't be happy bye did the apt-get install konq grab a lot? yeah but apparently not enough did it grab arts? i think this kcmshell stuff is kde config junk aegagrus:/home/dneighbo/downloads# apt-get install libarts1-qt Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Sorry, libarts1-qt is already the newest version. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 116 not upgraded. aegagrus:/home/dneighbo/downloads# trying kviewshell do i maybe have to be running kde desktop? oh I dunno try it ok dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" it does sone config on first run grrr kde doesnt show up in gdm Action: derek thinks konqueror probably isnt enough Action: derek restarted gdm and still no dice hang on... apt-get install kdebase kdelibs does that grab anything? oh hell yeah like the world Action: derek thinks that should likely do the trick :) grabbed 31 new packages whoops kdcop is one of them and honestly i think thats what was missing I guess konqueror was enough to force my upgrade :) as i saw dcop messages flying like nuts at startup of cdbake yeah dcop is really important in kde land and kcontrol is likely the kcmshell stuff kioslave likely could by why no see disks :) etc etc etc although that tells me cdbakeoven debs are not properly depended Action: derek agrees HOWEVER i did dpkg --install debpackage.deb which i think ignores dependencies BUT i needed not do that, i think its actually in the sources.list you gave me as later i did apt-cache search and saw it and apt-get install tried to install but already newest (unless that .deb gets registered to apt-get once installed) yeah, it gets registered Action: jcater learned that the hard way when doing some ltsp stuff :) I made some assumptions based on apt-cache search which weren't valid :( I can see again woooo hmm xcdroast seemed decent but it doesnt work looked like it saw the drives and looked reasonable to use but it tells me no data on cd when i have an audio cd in that bad boy I think most of the gui cd burner programs blow grr i think the dvd drive must not work now or something cdbake is now fixed i think and recognizes both drives why? but it cant appear to find 'tracks' on the dvd and niether could xcdroast is there some other tool i can check to make sure that its not fried? I have to go pick up wife is there something you use to listen to audio cds? wtf xmms i run it and go to /dev/scd0 and it shows the tracks but if i try to play one it segfaults grrr Action: derek has the kind of luck where there is a bug that dvd drives cant play audio tracks using ide-scsi hmmm different disk works zoegirl must just be too mutilated already trying to make legal backups as my kids are KILLING their cds ;) cdbake still dont find squat though just like chillywilly was making a legal backup of his paper copy of LOTR, right?\ :) hmm I haven't used any of the above I don't even have a sound card grrr xcdroast doesnt see it either does xmms? yes jcater: foad gtoaster shows the tracks but i cant figure out how to use the darn thing pray ;) just like using gnue tools ;) Action: chillywilly ducks Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:44:33) cdbakeoven is crap it segfaults and gives crap errors grr xcdroast shows most promise it just doesnt find the tracks heheh like I said I think most of the gui programs are crap, crazymike has tried them all just like you and he eventually gave p and used the command line tool im darn close i wouldnt mind BUT i really do want wife and kids to be able to burn and iam not going to make them use command line Action: jcater doesn't think jamest was testing out CD-to-CD burning as that isn;t soemthing he'd be setting up for his users jcater: likely thats the problem nor would I as i think that DAO is not well supported under linux im trying cdrdao it's not DAO it's what you're doing you aren't doing cd mastering which is what we were giving programs to do im pretty sure what im doing requires DAO Action: jcater uses dao all the time for mastering stuff it very well may and that dumb cdbake trying to convert stuff instead of just 'copy' stuff or so it seemed Action: jcater didn't realize you were just copying cds at first Action: derek doesnt pretend to understand music file formats the only diff is if you do TAO it adds a pauise between each song DAO will give you the whole shebang with no pauses between TAO == track at once, DAO == disk at once did you select Audio CD Copy? 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"Type of CD" "Music" gah I better run get wife before she gets pissed off hehe Action: chillywilly hears the crack f the whip ;) s/f/of/ chillywilly: i might have gotten gtoaster working but it doesnt seem to use freedb correctly i just want to get one cd burned to make sure the darned burner works so i can put the machine back under the dest er desk Action: chillywilly reaches out to hold derek's hand mkisofs -r -o cd_image.iso dir/ Action: Remosi tries mkchillyfs -r -o chilly_image.iso dir/ :) cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,6,0 -data cd_image.iso im trying to copy a music cd where speed == actual burning speed, and dev == where -scanbus says it is ok ooooo ooooo ooooo gtoaster seems to be actually writing to the disk this could be promising if it doesnt make a coaster it will be acceptable woooooo they punt on DAO and say use cdrdao btw, someone told me that Joerg Schilling was an a**hole ;) that's the cdrecord and cdrdao author, iirc wayneg (~merlinx@ppp1075.qld.padsl.internode.on.net) joined #gnuenterprise. the trick to dealing with a@@holes wipe them regularly ;) heheh Action: chillywilly eats fried ham Action: chillywilly feels his arteries hardening ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) left irc: ": I'm off to make more toys..." Action: derek walks around screaming it worked it worked it worked yaaaay! and it took entirely too long! to burn one frelling CD!!! gotta love GNU/Linux ;) i had on LOW burn rate trying to be cautious wayneg (~merlinx@ppp1075.qld.padsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "You ain't got debian you ain't got shit!" yea first time I did at 2x and I was like frell this and tossed that CD-R and grabbed a new one went at max speed for the burner perl_head (~fheinz@200.43.144.248) joined #gnuenterprise. perl_head (~fheinz@200.43.144.248) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: i got 32x to work :) one thing is for sure, linux is a bit more 'stable' at burning disks cool beans batman I hear ya :) man noah is like a month a way from pottie trained he doesnt pee diapers much anymore but at night but it kills me when he stops looks at me grunts then says i pooped dada great now he pinches his nose as he say, 'i stink dada. i stink.' lol heh man how old is he now? I remember when I first met you on IRC and he was just born some cutie came over last night, I might fix her computer.. she has 3 year twins IIRC.. wondering about loading Debian Jr. on their ;-) we're all getting old that's the problem I wonder how many free eductional software there is for Linux vs Windows noah will be 2 in december so that makes him 22mos? sheeeeit do you feel old yet? ;) nah im still under 30 when i turn 30 i will feel really old my oldest one turns 8 on nov 2nd you're old ;) hey now i just turned 28 still have 2 years before im 'old' hmm, I'm going to be 25 on Nov. 10 I think caroline is a little bit older than you Action: Mr_You will be 29 Dec. 30th. ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection SachaS_away (~Sacha@dialup-196-147.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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