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it's a known error IIRC i'v got it with placement.gfd from samples try to add some field yes it will work if you add a field ok :) but i was surprised that it could not handle a form with just labels on it it was ok before, but things changed :) i don't know the real reason dtm ([YdUiiN5Ft@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) got netsplit. dtm ([YdUiiN5Ft@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. what should you do if you want to display a form containing just pure text? make bugreport :) siesel (jan@dial-195-14-254-208.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. morning hi siesel hi btami how are you? fine, thanks have you som win32 at your hands for testing ? paci (~paci@212.94.129.20) joined #gnuenterprise. yes. what needs testing? i'v sended a ticket #156 collected win32 bugs saw it. i'm just curious, can you reproduce my errors Action: siesel thinks, that I even can reproduce these errors on linux ;) maybe not all :) ok, I will try both, linux and win32. thanks ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-246-34.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (~rossg@ip-195-149-26-1.nildram.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. 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IsoosI (dahoose@port-219-88-247-195.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) siesel (jan@dial-194-8-196-39.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. Yurik_ (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-194-8-196-39.netcologne.de) left irc: "You forgot to do your backup 16 days ago. Tomorrow you'll need that version." lawrence (~lawrence@bsd01.necessity.org) left irc: "I like core dumps" Yurik_ (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) siesel (jan@dial-195-14-235-88.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. does anybody knows if gnue-forms runs on python1.5 too? Or why it doesn't work anymore. it will not Yurik_ (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. it requires 2.0 we use 2.0 features such as += is there much other stuff it requires, except of +=? Action: siesel needs gnue running on a WIN CE 2.11 device and python2.2 for CE just runs on CE 3.0 :( neilt (~neilt@66.95.5.110) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. the third choice would be using WABA (java for palmtops) but the jclient is very very preliminary Action: jcater hopes to not see the jforms stuff revived hehe, I did know that ;) i don't think going back to 1.5.2 is very feasible we had quite a few 1.5.2 hacks that eventually drove us to 2.0 putting those hacks back in would be ugly Action: siesel just prepared the jforms stuff for jcater'S halloween ;) jamest: I didn't thought of changing cvs, just thought of a private patch :) it would be rough very rough we had to do wierd class hacks to get cetain things to function did 0.1.0 support python1.5? i believe it did so the switch to 2.0 was short before gnue forms 3.0, I think so no python 2.x will run on ce 2.11 ? yes. just python 1.5. and there was no activity of backporting python2.2 to ce 2.11 esands (~nic@210.55.103.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection siesel: why CE 2.2? Yurik_ (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) I have no money for a new PDA :( what pda Action: revDeke thinks perhaps you need to flash it and install something new on it :) Action: revDeke thinks gnue should be focused on architectures to where its going more than where it is that was a large part of the python 2.x decision we figured by the time GNUe 1.0 ships 2.x will be OLD and 1.5.2 probably about unsupported if I get forms 0.1.0 working, its ok. The main aim is to present a working gnue on a PDA to a customer If I get the project, they can use a Linux PDA. i.e. no porting needed. well porting will be needed :) in starting iPAQ research python should work no problem but we will likely need another UI client qtopia more than likely or something similar what model PDA do you currently use? LEO Freestyle (Chinese Version) gack thats an odd beast i suggest going to the main drawback is, that the linux frame buffer does't work :( (with the chinese version) #handhelds.org and seeing if anyone there has any tips/hints suggestions to getting linux in some form working there er on this pda certainly you could do a 'port' or such but it seems like such a waste i was told that sharp zaurus had a good emulator perhaps you could use that/ linux is working, but the framebuffer don't work, so I can just use it as an webserver :( to proof to your customer GNUe on a pda what about curses version of gnue? yes, that's an idea. give another 3 months and we can probably proof it on an iPAQ for you great. Action: siesel will search for that zarus emulator direct after dinner :) hmmm rock familiarOS for iPAQ has Integrated Python v2.0 w/ PyGtk and PyGDKImlib. time to test out that gnue pygtk driver :) that's a GTK2 driver not a GTK driver just fyi it can be easily modified to work with GTK. but Its possibly better to just install debian unstable on the iPAQ that's what I'm saying! otherwise, how else do you get frozenbubbles easily? jcater: yip BUT BUT? how can you argue with my frozenbubbles requirement? familiar provides 100% binary compatiablity to debian dpkg w/ ipkg er the arm distribution so in theroy if arm supports pygtk2 goldeness :) Action: siesel likes to repeat jcater. [13:46] Last message repeated 4 time(s). hell with some luck we can make the gnue debs available for ARM edition nice little gnue ipkg Action: revDeke will crap him self if we can get designer to run on an ipaq Action: revDeke can see techie meetings.... no more need to fall alseep one can design forms while in meetings, literally can have things DONE before you leave a meeting :) instead of saying... "that would only take five minutes" and end of meeting give it to them and say "that only took 5 minutes" ;) what resolution do those have? 320x200 ? Action: jcater cringes at the thought of designing w/in 320x200 :) might be slightly bigger than that but thats pretty close 320x240 16-bit color transflective LCD (electroluminiscent backlight) if you used 'virtual desktops' and a tabbed windows manager (like fluxbox) it might be doable if you were designing forms for the iPAQ siesel: http://qpe.sourceforge.net/sharp.html so its not even an emulator it acutally has you install the ARM packages on the x86 architecture and run natively http://qpe.sourceforge.net/ i tried VERY hard to get some zaurus' on loan for development but sharp was really bad about it stating they are only 200 thats cheap enough to 'buy' i kept stating this is for FREE not PROPRIETARY software and that likely more FREE software would only HELP Zaurus sales not HURT them but the marketing drones i had to deal with basically were clueless :( HP/COMPAQ on the other hand is much more savvy and understands the concept of symbiotic relationships which is most odd as it should really be reversed seeing how zaurus is the linux pda and ipaq the pocketpc one.... go figure :) reinhard_ (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Nick change: reinhard_ -> reinhard Isomer (dahoose@port-219-88-247-195.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Isomer (dahoose@port-219-88-247-195.jet.net.nz) left irc: "Client Exiting" revDeke: thx, I will give it a try :) siesel (jan@dial-195-14-235-88.netcologne.de) left irc: "later" Isomer (dahoose@port-219-88-247-195.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. the world is ending need proof? http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html#debian a comercial entity actually took the time to support debian the day I can grab msword_9.0.0-1_i386.deb is the day I retire :) well, some day you probably will be able to of course Word 119 will be the version for sale "see....we're open source!" :) that's fine w/me as by Word 119, you'll need a few terabytes of main memory heaven forbid, the disk space you'll need ah snap jcater you around? depends is there a way in python when dealing with files to do while line + 1: or something similar i.e. i have a while line: but something in that loop needs one more 'pass' line = file.readline() nextLine = file.readline() while nextLine: .... line = nextLine nextLine = file.readline() ???? ? let me try to digest that hmmm i dont think answers what im looking for basically i have a while line: if (something <> last_something): do_foo() line= file.readline() or what not the problem is i need to do foo one last time as a BLANK or EOF is different than the last something i.e. the only way i know to do foo is if something changes so i queue something until it changes right in cases like that the problem is the last something never gets 'written' it just gets queued I have a supplemental: if line: do_foo()( outside the while loop at least, that's what I do so after the while do if line ok will try Action: revDeke was thinking too hard here i think :) da funk of course the crappy thing is i didnt make do_foo a function lol now's a good time to do it :) as i didnt plan on calling it more than once and im scared crapless too because i dont know python scope rules well I suppose an alternate is to have a and im doing a lot of dictionary stuff (this is thing you looked at before) followThru = 1 while line or followThru: .... if not line: followThru = 0 Action: jcater didn't think that one all the way thru, but it might work revDeke: you could use a "pre-test" if condition in the while after the line= file.readline() and that way if it equals the "while test" you can write the change before the while gets tested problem is same as other solution if it was a method/function no problem ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port47.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm it doesnt like something with teh followthough issue Action: jcater did it wrong followthru = 0 while line or followthru: if (something <> last_something): do_foo() if not followthru: line= file.readline() if not line: followthru = 1 else: followthru = 0 maybe ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. esands (~nic@mdr1-port10.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. hrm, anyone know how to put a background image on a wxPanel? not i sorry nickr I put a staticbitmap there, but it seems to absorb mouse clicks :( clickable pr0n? Naw, just a pretty background for a window fie. :( revDeke: problem solved ?? neilt (~neilt@66.95.5.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) greetings g'day ajmitch reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There's always one more imbecile than you expect" siesel (jan@dial-194-8-196-185.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone here used touchscreens w/linux? wayeg: no problem solved still have issues no time to fix right now cant get stupid 3com to work w/ 100bT on a server ate my lunch grrr ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) while line: if (something <> last_something): do_foo() line= file.readline() if ("test for one line after whatever test above"): do_foo() even if do_foo() isn't a function ... "cut and paste" is a wonderful thing =) this way the second "if" is "effectively" testing for line+1 which is what you need right ? wayeg yeah i will likely have to cut and paste for now grrr jcater i tried last item but its not liking something ah :( revDeke hope you have better luck next time afk hmm i think its actually a slightly different issue just getting called away every 3 minutes so cant concentrate grrrr and i was supposed to meet the wife 20 minutes ago ok fixed now cut and pasted solved so thats definitely problem right answer is just fixing to make a method and call method twice thats a problem for another day though revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. re does anyone knows, is there any *good* Kerberos API reference or better tutorial? Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) left irc: "�� XChat" ha ha I win congrats its easy Nick change: cwAway -> chillywilly siesel (jan@dial-194-8-196-185.netcologne.de) left irc: "*monkey grin*" ********** updated developer's guide at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/Developers-Guide.pdf ********** (for those reviewing it) hello guys how's it shakin'? werd it's shakin whiiird g one of thes days I will read your developers guide ;) I'm at 598 pages now err damn that's a typo woah 58 heheh still good work :) maybe 598 if you try to print the PS to a non-PS printer lol I always hated that because sometimes when I would print a ps file to the ps printer from the old digital unix system school had sometimes it would print ps code instead, I dunno why it would do that but sometimes it was jst being a PITA Action: chillywilly said sometimes way too many frelling times...er, sometimes I say sometimes way to many times...sometimes I agree sheesh! damn 598 pages would be a book. So who's going to write the GNue book? I hear if you are an author with Oreilly you get all their other books for free. ;) cool Action: jcater expects the Developer's Intro to be over 200 pages not that I'm counting pages or anything :) never who would accuse you of such things? they will be trout whipped! Action: chillywilly dled the Developers Guide The DG is good stuff at the moment, on target. wow man you went buck nuts ? ;P crazy, of da hizook, etc. er, off what's cool... the entire Appendix B was created with a python script which reads the stuff in GFParser.py hmmm, this line is the most informative: BLAH, BLAH, BLAH... ;) well, I removed the infamous Whoop! from this recent version does this mean if someone asks how to build a form we can tell them, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH... ? don't we already? I dunn o Action: chillywilly claims ignorance er, sorry typo s/claims/is/ ;) s/ignorance/ignorant/ jamest_ (~jamest@adsl-65-64-191-161.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. captain, we need more goats milk! what format does OO use, just it's own thing? yeah, it's own XML format it lets you save as pdf? or you went a different route? no, but ps2pdf does :) ok it actually has an Export As PDF... on the latest Developer's Release but it doesn't work oh but that means they plan to have it on the next stable release so that'll be cool but you can export as ps? you can print to a file same thing, I guess ah, ok yea OO is to frlling memory hngry I don't like to run it on my laptop eactually the latest install I did segfaults now :( PoS btw, does designer do db schemas yet? um jcater: this guide is pretty cool man :) not well thanks supposely with some xsl and you can. pgdesigner can do the job as well it still has a ways to go er, xsl and dia esands: we have an xml schema format and jan was working on integrating things it is borrowed from dcl I believe look forward to it. ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" hi all hi hi dragon (~dragon@pcd350230.netvigator.com) left irc: "[x]chat" jcater (~jcater@24.165.223.104) joined #gnuenterprise. wb mr cater thanx paq (~paq@202.155.120.221) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. esands: in all seriousness a gnue book is in the works not from oreilly ooh? ???? oreilly doesnt match our principles we deal with a real publisher that respects the GFDL :) i understand that, but i did not know of a book being made well until its more official we generally dont discuss i believe our very own peter sullivan will be the primary author GFDL? GNU Free Documentation License hmm what about an e-book ok derek: have you checked out erp5.org ? i think i did long time ago or maybe im thinking of erpcentral.com yay! the ring is destroyed! and gollum is D E D dead doh! don't give it away sorry shame erp5 is what i had hoped the gnue.org community site could be like I thought everyone here was geek enough to have read the whole story what do you mean by that , derek? chillywilly: I'm usually too busy working on GNUe to actually read anything :) eons ago heh KeithJagrs: i mean at one time i wanted to do somethign similar to erp5 as it was needed and we caught major crap for posting non gnue stuff similar, in what sense?