Anyone looked at this one: http://www.mustardandrelish.com/ledger/ (Gnu Ledger) not I jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "nite" esands: you seem to research this stuff like mad i used to but ran out of time ANY chance as you find this stuff you could make a database/spreadsheet/textfile that has projectname - category - maincontact - maincontact email category = financials, crm, erp, workflow etc Trying to find something workable for the moment. Although now I have win4lin working, maybe I go to the darkside. ;) Sure, I could probably do something like that. and if you give me that file regularly However freshmeats pretty good: one thing i used to do is contact the projects http://freshmeat.net/browse/76/?topic_id=76 if it was something that was complimentary i invite them to work with us This is an interesting under the radar project I just discovered there: http://www.redrocketconsortium.com/zbc/index.html if its an 'infant' project i generally try to help persaude them to join us (i.e. us swallow them) Furthermore on freshmeat you can filter on licenses: GPL only: http://freshmeat.net/browse/15/ we at one time consolidated about 10 projects into us i used to do freshmeat and sourceforge i just dont have the time :) i have see the redrocket one before Yeah, well I should be sorting out GST at the moment. What did you think? (about rr) i think its in ADA iirc and was like GACK Has some nice screenshots. Although it looks like it suffers from the same us-centric issue of only dealing with sales tax on sales Yes, ADA and gtk the problem with ADA is finding otehr developers will be murder if this guy decides to stop finding someone to maintain it could be impossible or (costly) No doubt. and growth is limited as i dont suspect he has lots of ada volunteers :) Er, that should have been GPL: http://freshmeat.net/browse/76/?filter=15 Probably defense industry retirees btw, win4lin works really nicely with my banking software and a pcmcia modem. Can delete my ntfs partition now. 8) Anyway, of all the oss/free-type accounting projects I've looked at so far. None of them are quite there, in terms of being solid mature and robust. With regards to that list, there wouldn't be many that would be worth putting on there. The only three I've keep coming back to are sql-ledger, nola and gnucash (cvs sb version) Nothing else I've tried is still on my machine. gnue isnt on that list :) Nola/acclite is still there only because you guys are working on it. Given its broken for the NZ tax enviroment its not very function for me. Gnue doesn't have an accounting system yet. Its just at the moment a access replacement. acclite From the sounds here its getting close to being at that stage. very soon acclite has the same failings as nola for my uses. You can GNUe Small Business Edition er, You can't imagine how much pain not having a decent accural and reporting system for GST Look forward to a GSBE. Anyway got to run off to the supermarket. Action: derek is away: sleepy sleep bubber (~bubber@adsl-20-73-141.asm.bellsouth.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Kai1: looking at project now pradhap: yes, are you messing with last release or the cvs code? the cvs has a much nicer doc being worked on by jcater Kai1: what's this written in? what is what written in? i want to install GNUe, which will be the best CVS or tar ?? kardia? just an XML standard for enviroments like centrallix or gnue to interpert(sp?) paqan (~paqan@202.155.120.221) joined #gnuenterprise. Kai1 (~Kai@adsl-065-082-219-002.sip.ags.bellsouth.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Excited"). sorry, back I'd suggest cvs if you're comfortable with working w/ code install id suggest cvs if you are comfy with cvs and breakage knowing code isnt alll the much a requirement i d'nt have any idea of code .. but i want to install GNUe, which shall i try CVS or the tar package ??? windows or *nix if *nix i suggest cvs as we are close to a 0.4.1 release and there are lots of fixes in cvs not in 0.4.0 i use linux.. if windows, cvs is a pain to install, so i suggest 0.4.0 release is there a link somewhere to kardia Action: derek thinks this might be the thing micah talked about a LONG time ago im not quite sure how it woudl 'work' with gnue they are somewhat competing architectures hmmm guess we lost Kail1 i didnt realize it too early i guess i found their site http://kardia.sourceforge.net/ micah was hyping these guys a long time ago Action: derek is away: work jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: hi morning jcater: i want to install GNUe in debain.. which is best should i try CVS or the tar package ?? if you just want to play on debian then use this line in your apt source.list deb http://www.gnuenterprise.org/debian woody main jamest: fine .. then you can apt-get forms, designer, and common 0.4.0 they are a bit buggy but much easier to install :) Action: jamest assumes you're running woody ya .. i'd still be tempted to check out the cvs code if bandwidth cost isn't an issue as jcater has the start of a nice forms developers guide in the in openoffice format s/in the in/in there in ok bandwidth is not a problem for me .. actually my oracle server is running in a seprate machine ... is it possible to connect the forms such a way they can access the database .. what are the necessary changes should i do in connections.conf file ?? you can do 1 of 2 things 1. if you can get the Oracle OCI8 libraries on the debian machine then it'll be a snap... just install DCOracle2 if not, then 2. 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I've seen __self__ in python code many times ;-) hm In any case, how can the jcater AI pass the Turing Test w/o concept of self? Action: psu is having a first go at updating the Contributors page tonight Well you can easily simulate the concept of self Just realised we really ought to have mdean (and arguably dyfet) as core developers at any rate, core for their bit see http://foner.www.media.mit.edu/people/foner/Julia/Julia.html ISTR Eliza being featured in a David Lodge novel (Small World) Julia is quite a bit more convincing than Eliza, but a similar concept :) btami (~btami@3e70d737.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all Hi siesel (jan@dial-213-168-73-208.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jcater: i'v sended some patches to you (jcater@gnue.org), but nickr: what makes you think that Julia is quite a bit more convincing than Eliza? i forget one import line from TemplateSupport.py stbain (~stuart@216.12.37.168) joined #gnuenterprise. from gne.common import GParserHelpers hi s/gne/gnue psu: Eliza is easy to break down, defeat. It is simple. Julia is a lot more resistant to that .. lots more contingencies. Read the analysis. Its pretty impressive. oh du psu: got me nickr: what makes you think it's pretty impressive? psu: yea yea nickr: Tell me more about your family ;-) psu: Is it because of Tell me more about your family ;-) that you came to see me today? for real entertainment, M-x psychoanalyze-zippy er, -pinhead I am a jelly donut. I am a jelly donut. Is it because of your sex life that you say you are a jelly donut? lol classic. nickr: was that last question aimed at anyone in particular in this channel? Action: psu feels defensive psu: only donut fjeends btami (~btami@3e70d737.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-191.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. pradhap (~pradhap@61.11.56.27) left #gnuenterprise. nickr: hmm, that doesn't narrow it down much in this channel set msglog on damn you, donut fjeends! psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("nite... do AIs dream of electric donuts?"). revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. stbain (~stuart@216.12.37.168) left irc: "Client Exiting" jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-39-241.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly how does 'donut fjeends' not narrow it down? Action: chillywilly only knows of one donut fjeend here ;) neilt (~neilt@66.95.5.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/atmelwlandriver login cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/atmelwlandriver co atmelwlandriver sorry, wrong window :( hmmm, I think I am regretting giving money to the ACLJ now they are asking me to sign a petition in spport of the U.S. Patriot Act to stop the ACLU's case against it ACLJ? I spported them with the abortion spreme court case, but not the frelling U.S. Patriot Act American Center for Law and Justice some ppl and orgs are jst blindly conservative oh, sick the abortion case was ACLU, NOW etc. bringing charges against anti-abortion protests based on federal racketeering laws trying to sue pro-life groups out of existance well, that's certainly one spin on it :) you don't agree? how is it that ppl should not have the right to protest something? that's a loaded statement they were sing laws that were created for organized crime of course I believe that and the ALCU fights for that right er, using the "spin" was " trying to sue pro-life groups out of existance" then why are they sing federal racketeering laws against pro-life groups? wtf does that have to do with protesting? jst becase they are loosing money when ppl are protesting doesn't mean protesting is illegal then does it? the law they are sing is RICO dude are you talking about the 1993 case ummm, no it was like 2 weeks ago NOW vs Scheidler iirc October 16th or something that was designed to protect women against violence not to destroy peaceful protests Action: jcater lives in the bible belt I've seen some protests it ain't purdy or safe I'm all for either group to protest chillywilly: which ever side you're on, you might try going to one of those protests. the level of nastiness is unbelievable. it's the level of violence that's sick grib: exactly srry but I DID protest, we had the life chain in downtown Milwaukee last month and it was peaceful I don't condone violence chillywilly: and I don't think the lawsuit was against your group either dude I know for one here in TN most abortion clinics are not marked neilt (~neilt@ip68-100-144-59.nv.nv.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. and they move around because the doctors and the women fear for their safety I'm not defending them as I'm not taking sides in irc :) how can ppl use violence to retecfiy a different type of violence? that lame chillywilly: for once I agree with you :) not that it matters, but it is different :) chillywilly: lame, but happens every day so that's why the case is in the courts not because of hands across america or life chain whatever it's called yea, but how can you sue various non-violent groups becuse of some nut cases? Action: jcater questions that placement of "non-violent" I'm not arguing with you one grounds of right or wrong... I only said that was quite a bit of "spin" in that statement and I have seen the opposite side of the coin... the part that triggered the lawsuit for an injunction anywho, I have to go home jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" siesel (jan@dial-213-168-73-208.netcologne.de) left irc: "night" I can't find any evidence on the other side, jst thing saying how it would effect anyone protesting a "business" and the thing that I am arguing is the principle in itself, the right to protest without being sued under some federal law because a business lost money dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) left irc: "later.." dragon (~dragon@pcd350230.netvigator.com) left irc: "[x]chat" afternoon Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. re Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) left irc: "later" Action: chillywilly is away: church Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:09:50) Action: chillywilly is away: off to get my Jesus fix that was quick, chillywilly off again? dsmith (~dsmith@p120.n-chpop05.stsn.com) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater (~jcater@24.165.223.104) joined #gnuenterprise. wassup, all? nuttin much jcater how you doing ?? fat and happy =) that's the best way to be hello sir i see savannah project not yet approved :) hiya I know Nick change: wayeg -> wayneg you didn't tell them to hold off on it because I was bitching about them, did you? :) nah i just mailed mathieu roy about his fencepost accoutn when you saw my app, did you notice if i left anything out? nope looked ok to me neilt (~neilt@ip68-100-144-59.nv.nv.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) mmc (~mmc@adsl-248-167.38-151.net24.it) joined #gnuenterprise. 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