% if you have field name do f8 in the name entry do ra% hit f9 it should return all results starting with ra if you do f8 %ra% f9 it should get you any name containing ra jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "nite" anyone know if gettimeofday(&now, NULL); and then now.tv_usec would give me the current time in milliseconds? anyone? anyone? bueler? bueler? for now i would like % to be added from beginning of non empty search entry do f8 do ra hmmm that gives microseconds it expands to %ra gess you need to divide by 1000 grooovy dneighbo: any hints? hmmm there is something called 'sloppyquery' rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" or there was Action: dneighbo thinks what you are describing might have been what that was for, but have never used it can you try sloppyquery i saw some sloppy related part commented out in the code, will try it anyway ok ra3vat: if you put sloppyquery="" in a block i "think" what will happen is everytime you execute a query it will append a % to the end actually it looks like it will have effect of doing the following you enter ra it converts to %r%a% and you might have to do it as sloppyQuery and you might have to do it as sloppyQuery="" you can look in forms/src/GFObjects/GFBlock.py to see exactly what its doing or if you need to patch it please let me know if this works as right this second i can not readily test dneighbo: D-G.pdf defines sloopyQuery only among entry attributes doh you are right try entry i was thinking block as its in block code but thasts cause it fires onProcessQuery but it checks entry.xxx form works but search fails chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Hello Hello Arturas Hello reinhard btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hmmm mplayer plays windows media stuff thats cool now if i can get the sound to work Hi Bajusz hi Arturas yes yes: for i have time grr anyone have sources.list for player stuff? nmeos.net seems toastified i havn't Nick change: SachaS_uni -> SachaS btami: how did you build GNUe.exe's for Windows? did you have any problems with gettext? found one Arturas: McMillan+Inno what problems do you think? yesterday i finished setup-cvs.py for Windows but when trying to run form it gives traceback on gettext (some string is NULL or something like that) i thought i maybe you have met with this problem while building exe's no, i havn't met any problems with gettext can you send me your script to try setup-cvs for win? yes it's in the CVS as setup-cvs2.py ooo (at least it should be there) but it's now finally finished - still some bugs exist i see now => not i will try i warned you :) ok :) probably a little late but why setup-cvs2.py instead of setup-cvs-win.py or somethign? it's not ready to replace current setup-cvs.py and it's working (=> should be working) both on Linux and Windows Action: Arturas is away: meeting (10 min.) Action: Arturas is back (gone 00:10:52) Arturas: why do you put fsutil.exe and linkd.exe into CVS, they aren't free software maybe there are free alternetives on the net fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) if you're using Windows (legally of course), you may use these tools and as far as i heard, there are no alternatives yet fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. i included them because although these tools are included by default with WindowsXP, they are not included with Windows2000 (it's possible to download them somewhere from Microsoft web site) do you think we should refuse from using them? no, just not from our CVS non-free software is a bad thing to have in GNU CVS :) maybe a README about where to find/download these would be better i don't like this idea too, but can we say to the user "if you want to install GNUe, make sure you have ...exe and ...exe or download them and put into specified folder and only then you can install GNUe"? :/ hey, setup-cvs.py is for developers not for end users hm, sorry :) :) Arturas: can i bugreport for you? about setup-cvs2.py btami: ?? i got: cannot create a link at: c:\python22\lib\gnue oh, wait i was wrong tried it on VFAT volume :) trying again :) the error is correct :) Arturas: derek will shoot you if you leave those files in there ;) could anyone interested in web forms driver comment on http://openthought.net/cgi-bin/demo_app/demo.pl Derek will shoot me for putting these files there :) ok, i'll remove them in about 10 mins Arturas: i got the same error i have c: VFAT e: NTFS the win2k is in e: i wanted to install into e:\gnue\bin, e:\gnue\conf but the script forces c:\python22\lib\gnue becouse my python resides there hmm that's one of the problems i had - how do i enter gnue into python's modules search path somewhere in the middle of setup-cvs2.py is the call PYTHONPATH, or sys.path :) under Windows i solved it by creating a link in python..\lib\gnue pointing to gnue folder but this is wrong solution removed ...exes, added readme (-> win-links.txt) SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-113.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-247-84.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning ariel_ sorry that i was so unresponsive yesterday just a few remarks to the object repository document you sent me first (and most important) thanks for your work :) on the general design i'm not sure if we want to include inheritance at all and if we want to include versioning and compounds in the very first version when i looked at your document i got the feeling that XML is not a perfect way of explaining something to a human anyone can drop me a test message on ds at ics.elcom.ru, please ra3vat: ok sent reinhard: thanks, got it ariel_: i like the tablular explaination you did much better i thought i might try to change it into an object oriented explaination (like the old (current) api definition of appserver) thanks also for the diagram of appserver structure it seems like my installation of dia is hosed if i open the diagram i get errors about missing fonts :( is it possible for dia to export .eps and .png ? reinhard: if yes i could easily include into the whitepaper -o don't care about fonts warning, i also have, just click OK to export right-click on open diagram choose file then export when i click ok for the warning the diagram doesn't look right the text is outside the boxes uhmm i dunno it changes mine from Hevetica boldOblique to adobe courier medium-r-normal that fits well it changes everything to "fixed" for me however i have about zero idea how fonts work in X i have this problem with other diagrams too so it's certainly my own fault if there aren't changes i can send png btw the first picture in the note is png export of the dia ariel_: thanks ariel_: btw i am talking about appserver architecture diagram not about the class diagram i can send png just tell me if you prefer the classical package shape (rectangle with label) instead of the component shape (rectangle with side ellipses and smaller rectangles) um i don't care that much i think what you like better :) ok ColeMarcus (ColeMarcus@pD9E4EE34.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: just sended png i wanted to continue with the note, but may be better i wait for the proposal ariel_: thanks got it (the png) i hope to write the proposal this week hello SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-77.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xunzi.sinologie.uni-bonn.de) joined #gnuenterprise. morning hi Nick change: reinhard -> rm-lunch Action: Arturas is away: Lunch :) Suit (~Suit@dsl-217.195.238-029.inovara-dsl.nl) joined #gnuenterprise. gnuebot: help hmm, not a very helpfull bot ;) Suit: he is too dump for that :) then what does it do, kick flooders? saves logs ah dneighbo: active? sleep most probably in that time hmm, yeah, now I see Nick change: Suit -> Suit|afk flooders? who is that? :) we are on #gnuenterprise Oh well, I could paste some VB to liven up things around here ;) Action: Suit|afk is now really afk Action: Arturas is back (gone 00:30:54) dsmith (~dsmith@p165.n-chpop06.stsn.com) joined #gnuenterprise. mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: Suit|afk -> Suit Action: drochaid is back (gone 09:23:27) dsmith (~dsmith@p165.n-chpop06.stsn.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hjibds2 (~henderson@host62-7-105-56.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Is GNUe ready for production use hi it's pretty hard to say it depends :/ practically it almost ready but it depends on what you want from GNUe we are a small business and need some kind of ERP system - my knowledge is very limited in this area we have no prebuilt packages for you to use we're (slowly) getting the tools in place to make building such packages easy u mean install from source? no, i mean we have no Inventory Control package, or general ledger package what kind of time scale is there for these packages? we have tools that let you easily create data entry screens (what we call forms) and reports dneighbo is working on a small biz package right now that is strickly client/server i _think_ he was getting it checked into gnu's cvs server but I'm not sure where that is at sounds intresting I'm also not sure what stage it's at jcater has also submitted a package called RentFree (or something like that) to gnu's cvs that manages rental property again, I'm also not sure what stage it's at so the tools work in 2 tier mode (client/server) and work on appserver is progressing but it is not ready yet to build systems around it Action: drochaid is away: it's pissing down and I'm in full gore-tex :) jamest: have you any success with GTK2 on win32 ? btami: i've had 0 time to try it out i've got a few deathlines at home that all fall on the 1st of dec which is sucking up all my free time Are there any systems of a similar nature I can look at? hjibds2: i don't know i know there are other projects but I'm not sure the state of any of them hjibds2: do you have an existing system in place? head office are looking at implementing a larger version of the system that we need based on asp and M$ SQL server - i don't want to go down that route btami: i plan to take a few days off to get ahead so I can GNUe again ok :) jamest - not yet - we are looking at getting some form of system in place in the next 6 months hjibds2: is middlewear important to you? or are you happy w/ a 2-tier system? we would be happy with a 2-tier system what platforms are the clients ? win32 well, dneighbo's small biz thing might give you what you need and I'd hope to have most the issues w/ win32 worked out in 6 months (the UI driver for windows isn't native win32api so we have to create one) but I can't say for sure the salesman would say "You bet we can." but then I'm not a salesman :) lol btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: does dneighbo have a website for his small buz thing? do you know? no clue Action: jamest was away from the project for several months and is still playing catchup wheres the best place to look for a crash course on CVS - would like to understand it dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. grib (~grib@grib.customer.jump.net) left irc: "I'm too lame to make a quit message" on our cvs code or cvs in general? cvs in general - i've never really done much development work but would like to read up a bit about it ah http://www.cvshome.org/ is the hompage thx ColeMarcus (ColeMarcus@pD9E4EE34.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hjibds2 (~henderson@host62-7-105-56.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: grib (~grib@grib.customer.jump.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Nick change: rm-lunch -> reinhard oops long lunch :) dneighbo (~laurie@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" lupo (~lupo@pD9542896.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi paqan (~paqan@202.155.120.221) left irc: Remote closed the connection hi lupo: testing framework needed research i didn't have any concrete requirements but anything is better than nothing :) paqan (~paqan@202.155.120.221) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: :) jamest: is writing testcases okay? i just need to get gnue running on my laptop i don't understand the question? you said that siesel has started testcases so i asked whether testcases are sufficent for testing purposes because a real automated testing system is hell work testcases are fine with me jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. does someone know, function "self._block._resultSet.current.getField(self.field)" returns self.field value from database or from form - i can't figure it out :\ that should be from the resultset loaded from the database if you've altered it then it should reflect that alteration i believe thank you Action: drochaid is back (gone 01:49:25) Bill_H (~chatzilla@ip66-2-83-130.z83-2-66.customer.algx.net) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xunzi.sinologie.uni-bonn.de) left irc: "later" ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-247-84.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) bye Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) left irc: "Client Exiting" Suit (~Suit@dsl-217.195.238-029.inovara-dsl.nl) left irc: "Client Exiting" drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) paqan (~paqan@202.155.120.221) left irc: "Client Exiting" lupo (~lupo@pD9542896.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. yogurt2unge (~charlie@ADSL-200-59-86-17.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. 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KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left irc: "later" revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ok on newsforge they are running an article on openMFG which doesn appear free, open or even available and that well kind of got my goad it was an interview i took the liberty of responding to the same questions from a gnue standpoint and was going to submit back as an opinion piece but wanted to get consensus from this group if that was ok I suppose drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. I just don't see where they get off associating themselves with open source/free software they are just trying to be the peachtree of the manufacturing world well that is what made me irrate and i thought putting them to the 'open fishbowl' way our community works might do some good :) revDeke: do you have a copy to hand of what you're planning to post? Quite funny: "(...) [OpenMFG] is certainly a better deal than the much-discussed "Shared Source" initative from Microsoft (...) oooo we better get busy several references to GNUe ? in the comments drochaid_: i actually sent something to editors already as i had to get going hopefully the will post it if you give me your email address i will send it to you heh btw: the best thing we can do is to post comments/rebuttals to these type of articles to just let people know we exist and that we DO have working code send to calum@morrell-consultancy.co.uk please sent I posted my comment I expect everyone else to as well cool, mine's already there what is the url? http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/11/11/1848223.shtml?tid=3 mine is the "This is ridiculous" post psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. sup psu read recent backlog and feel free to comment on newsforge Action: revDeke suspects you will have a good opinion on the subject could anyone interested in web forms driver comment on http://openthought.net/cgi-bin/demo_app/demo.pl ? heh Action: siesel looked at it. jsforms is using a similar aproach. I don't think that we can get much from it, because we would have to add too much and even write a perl->python interface, or reimplement gnue-common in perl For us, having a company (ab)use the open source label like this is almost a positive shows that RMS was right to insist on "free s/w" rather than "open source" as a label as it's harder for people to twist that siesel: i usually remember complains about web interface when any new data require to reload a page and fighting about not to let jave in. is that link demostrate one possible solution? yes, it is one possible solution, and it is the solution choosen by the jsforms client (alpha stage at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jan/jsclient/gnue-forms.html psu good point you should make that a comment :) its easy to twist free software I also looked at a quite similar but (IMHO) more powerful project than openthought, siesel: thanks for clarifying :) which was quite good, but had one bad point: at the moment it just worked with netscape 4.x ra3vat: it's allways good to know other projects which do quite similar stuff. If the webclient is once working, it could f.e. use openthought plugins for authetification etc. revDeke: I'm desperately trying to catch up on KC at the moment the distraction of my new internet account isn't helping either psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) has joined channel #gnuenterprise m00seT (~sadend@29.123-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: m00seT slaps jamest around a bit with a large trout fixe (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Action: m00seT slaps derek around a bit with a large trout wow Action: jcater hides m00set yep psu=... ? m000seT NO WAY! how are the little ones m00seT: btw: this is derek don't mind me, I'm just a newbie wasn't here for a long time hi james Action: jamest feels special that he got the first slapping lmao what's up? jamest: obviously not much, he found time to come here :) just looking how you all did after I left LOL http://stage.vitaminic.com/sad_end_projects http://stage.vitaminic.com/ph_d_phunky_dissidents http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Subliminal_Sound_Architects/ lol Gnue hs come a long way and has a ways to go ... haven't touched a compiler in ages Action: jcater feels like a spouse at a high school reunion hey m00seT, this is our whipping boy jcater jcater this is m00seT after working on that Navision erp project in the real world, got sick of computers we really had a thing for him until he left, then we had to settle for you Hi Jcarter lol ooooo, remove the R quick Action: psu only recognised the nick due to recent maintenance work on http://www.gnuenterprise.org/community/contrib.php lol sorry jimmy Many of the oldies still around I see yeah Must confess that since I turned back to musicmaking, have turned to the dark SIde Only Win2000 at presnet ... (freighting stable ...) ... probably a mac in the (not so) near future So James, how's the house and the wife? drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. um, both are doing fine paqan (~paqan@202.155.120.221) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Great! yours? Same ... hust bought a small house, worked 5 months in it, have moved since sept.8 cool BTW, was reading this and had to thinkl about you guys : http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/biztech/11/12/outlookchallenger.ap/index.html Familiar? ha! we smoke him! we've been in development for YEARS and it doesn't exist yet Resistance is futile he ASSIMILATE! paqan (~paqan@202.155.120.221) joined #gnuenterprise. Have to go old friends ... may the force be with you ... ;-) jcater: were you astroturfing in your newsforge comment? "I looked at gnue a few weeks ago"? Cya grib: eh? m00seT (~sadend@29.123-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) left irc: jcater: oops, sorry. newforge comments page display is confusing it looked like the followup to yours was the start of the thread. yeah, it is confusing they need to rethink their layout as I thought the same thing when I first went there psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Excess Flood drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Daniel marioct (~marioct@200-204-68-155.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined #gnuenterprise. hello people, good night ! hello Hello james. I've just downloaded gnue via CVS, and I'll read docs... but I have one question... ok how can I run gnue-forms with curses ? for any optons you can run gnue-forms --help gnue-forms --interface curses should do it well [16:59] Last message repeated 1 time(s). gnue-forms --interface curses form.gfd ok, but I got this : Error: Unable to load any valid UI drivers. Aborting. oooooo