Maniac (~User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "nite" jcater rocks! new code now has allowed massive checkin for gnue-sb!!! yummy Action: derek is away: bed btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. f1x3 (~adam@dsl081-147-022.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-77.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) t3rmin4t0r (~gopal@61.1.229.224) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-161.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: t3rmin4t0r is trying to set up his own gnue server and write an RPC lib ... t3rmin4t0r (~gopal@61.1.229.224) left irc: "astalavista baby !" SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-161.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-247-84.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. Varadhan (~Varadhan@61.11.56.27) left irc: "Client Exiting" drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Varadhan (~Varadhan@61.11.56.27) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat: there??? ra3vat: i got my demo working... and it came up with good responses... :) Varadhan: great! jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Remosi (dahoose@port-219-88-247-184.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone try out the newest prereleases? #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. IsoosI (dahoose@port-219-88-247-214.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) DB000: File "/usr/local/src/cvs/gnue/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/GParser.py", line 215, in finalValidation DB000: raise MarkupError, _("File is missing required tag <%s>") % (element) DB000: gnue.common.GParser.MarkupError: File is missing required tag
not sure why is it happen but previously that report worked the parser now honors the required attrib for tags in the GRParser.py which means that the
definition in that file contains a 'Required':1 setting if
s are optional in reports then that needs fliped to a 0, otherwise your reports needs to have a section area i thought sections were required though Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello hello ra3vat: you testing the prereleases? jamest: no, cvs version, i can install on w98 but last i tried i18n did not work so i'd better install cvs there too prereleases of cvs were made up last nite DB000: File "/usr/local/src/cvs/gnue/gnue/reports/src/GRLayout.py", line 267, in processChildren DB000: if child._mymapper.toplevel: DB000: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'toplevel' jamest: which of very simple report work with last changes? um gnue/reports/samples/foobulations i was using it last nite Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Vardhan (~pradhap@61.11.56.27) joined #gnuenterprise. Vardhan (~pradhap@61.11.56.27) left irc: Client Quit that is work pradhap (~pradhap@61.11.56.27) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat? dres: you around? jamest: foobulations that is grib: ya dres: can you still get to our irc server? I seem to be totally cut off from rackspace grib: yup. just got back on. but I was kicked off for a bit oops, now everytrhing's back. derek: there??? ra3vat: thank you... BTW, we have setup a stall in ORACLE World, with gnue+roacle9i on a IA64 debian machine... Varadhan: got it.. Varadhan: ? Varadhan? Varadhan: here not for long though Please contact Mr. M.P Anand Babu at 510-687-7045.. or mail him @ anand.babu@californiadigital.com / ab@gnu.org.in ... derek: yes tell me... jamest: yes tell me... ra3vat: yes tell me... ajmitch: there ?? Varadhan: what are you talking about at Oracle world? is this something you're doing right now or in the future actually, a sample banking application is written using gnue+oracle 9i and has been setup there for the show... do you have a demo setup and if so what gnue tools are demo'd Varadhan: was that for me? to contect MP Anad Babu? if so can you give me more information :) jamest: no.. its a live one... banking == on the teller side of the counter, personal side at home, other? jamest: it is currently running there to show the demo of gnue as well... derek: for the entire gnue community.. :) derek: what further details you want??? jamest: it is a very very small banking application with which you can put in some amt and take out something from it... jamest: actually, it allows creation of an account, modification of account info, closing of accounts, depositting into an account, withdrawal from accounts, querying of account balance etc.. Varadhan: i dont get it you said contact anand babu, but i dont know what to contact him for, i.e. why does he want to talk to me :) derek: pardon me with what you don't get from my messages??? derek: we have setup a stall in the Oracle world to show demo of gnue with oracle9i on a IA64 debian box... derek: we have written a small application in gnue to show the connectivity of oracle with gnue... and the power of gnue based application... Varadhan: i understand that what i dont understand is why i need to contact anad babu :) does he have questions? derek: so we thought of informing this to the entire gnue community so that they can have a look at the stall... Action: derek must run to work i have meetings Varadhan: are these demo files private or could we get them to put into a sample pack for gnue? derek, if you want to jave a look at the stall.. you can contact Anand babu... ok jamest: we are much obliged to put them in the gnue sample pack... actually, we are working towards making it more redable for the future gnue users... cool and moreover, we hope to receive gnue community in our stall to make it more success!!! Action: derek is away: work jan (jan@131.220.92.82) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi jan what has happened to siesel? ;) Action: pradhap is away: out for dinner!! Varadhan: where is this stall located? san fran i assume jamest: can you contact a person??? i guess so, about what? jamest: Please contact Mr. M.P Anand Babu at 510-687-7045.. or mail him @ anand.babu@californiadigital.com / ab@gnu.org.in ... and what do I need to contact him about? jamest: about the stall location and other queries that you have.. ah, ok I know I can't make it to Oracle World this year myself jamest: because he is our CTO and is very eager to meet gnue community people... jamest: may i know why??? sure, i sunk several grand into house remodeling, then got 1/2 of a $4k bill for my son's teeth, then got hit for another grand in misc expenses in the last month jamest: Oh!!! sorry... taxs, insurance, eye care work, etc, etc jamest: i hope he will make some arrangements for that... jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. actually, where have you been located??? jcater: Hi.. GM!!! jcater: hi jcater: thanx a lot !!! jcater: my demo application came off with some good responses... and is running fine.... dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat: there??? ra3vat: thanx for your help in bringing up my demo application.... Varadhan: glad it's going that well :) Varadhan: gives me a hope mine will be usefull too :) jamest: i changed foobulations/monthly.grd for my app and it works ra3vat: :) Action: Varadhan leaving for dinner... Action: Varadhan is leaving for dinner... Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. jan (jan@131.220.92.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jan (jan@131.220.92.144) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-247-84.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" btami (~btami@3e70d730.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all i find an interesting issue with forms 'v tested connection.gfd saved it with designer and then it failed with forms Error: The connections.conf doesn't contain a definition for 'connection' whe designer saves a gfd it puts a tag at the bottom of file and forms doesn't likes this if i put tag befor tag in gfd it's OK again forms depends on order of tags ? hmmm it shouldn't let me look at something btami: hi, are you using reports with i18n data? jan (jan@131.220.92.144) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hi ra3vat trying, why ? ra3vat: ? for now can't get local message readable in html reports i'm trying text report mainly it seems something puts charset=UTF-8 into html header btami: it is not only header, encoding for text looks like UTF-8 too if someone can whip me up a simple report that fails with i18n, I can debug jcater: it not fails but genetated in UTF-8 encoding. how to change encoding? jcater: it doesn't fails, just wrong :) generated Action: jcater would call that "failing" :) jcater: it may be any report that pulls db data not in ascii, i suppose jcater: you use dest.write ('\n') in GRReport.py I think there's more to it than just changing that header, though I think I have to open a codec which I learned to do this past weekend by accident jcater: i'v sended patches into DCL #159-#160 those contains some i18n corrections too ok and finally i put attachments into DCL too jcater: you don't have to deal with codecs, if sitecustomize.py looks like something this: import sys, locale loc = locale.getdefaultlocale() if loc[1]: sys.setdefaultencoding(loc[1]) locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '') print 'Default encoding: %s' %sys.getdefaultencoding() print 'Locale conventions: %s' %locale.localeconv() ah jcater: hi pradhap: hi congrats on the demo jcater: thankx a lot.. btami: Arturas solved it somehow that there is no need to change sitecustomize jcater: you helped a lot for setting up GNUe + Oracle 9i + Debain on Itanium-64 ... even if ascii mentioned there ra3vat: please let me know how one thing i'm worry, where UTF-8 comes from drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: will be labels in release? btami: we define desired encoding in gnue.conf and use codecs to get what we want :) btami: yes btami: check this out http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/labels.pdf that was created from a dozen-line report file and by telling reports "Avery 5961" (that is the brand/part # of the labels I use) jcater: please put filters.labels and filters.labels.formatters into setup.py ok and don't forget to change '/home/james/...' in LabelSpecs.py :) I'm working on that as we speak ok I finished what you see at like 1:00 a.m. my time :) I still have some small polishing to do obviously :) may i ask what about SimpleReport.py wizard patches? I need to look at those again will try to get all those patches in before prerelease 2 ok, thanks jcater: have you find something about , tags order in gfd ? ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-211.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. btami: I committed what I think is a solution drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. btami: common/src/GParser.py revision 1.41 date: 2002/07/31 11:01:25; author: arturas; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 Corrected problem of i18n characters in .gfd file - in case of not only ascii characters, sax returned unicode string, which caused further errors in python. Earlier this was solved by changing system-wide site.py file option defaultencoding from 'ascii' to other value. Now encoding is read from gnue.conf file option formFontEncoding and is used to enforce sax returned unicode string recode to given encoding. ---------------------------- yes, it solves the gfd's problem, but what about data (from DBMS) ? btami: i'm not sure i follow the problem was that xml processing enforces internal representation in unicode it is not with db data you now db encoding and can convert to other encoding if you wish you know ra3vat: sorry for waiting, i'm thinking about reports it makes an intermadiate xml file with dest.write() calls and then a sablotron process comes i don't know/when how UTF-8 comes btami: changing encoding in dest.write ('\n') in GRReport.py solved my problem with html report psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) btami: UTF comes as far as you use xml processing libs (parsers) pradhap (~pradhap@61.11.56.27) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). jcater: how to avoid (use established connection??) login request when running report? btami (~btami@3e70d730.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "This sentence no verb" Action: Varadhan is back Hi all... jcater: thanx for your congrats... psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: we have setup a stall in ORACLE WORLD running a demo using GNUe with Oracle 9i on Itanium box with debian... bobacus (rja29@co1.fitz.cam.ac.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. morning all hey aj ney nickr oops never type without glasses... revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. rev! sup just crawled out of bed ready to go out for another fun day of work but the real question is.... who's bed did you crawl out of? ;) haha my own, thankfully and i was the only one in it :) Action: drochaid is away: not ere ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-211.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) bye Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) left irc: bye too late... ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-244-69.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. bobacus (rja29@co1.fitz.cam.ac.uk) left irc: "Client Exiting" bbl revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) got netsplit. psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) got netsplit. drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) got netsplit. 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Mr_You (~car@gso167-138-145.triad.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) returned to #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by calvino.freenode.net Bobacus (~rob@pc2-cmbg2-5-cust191.cam.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. what's the native language of NZ? kiwispeak oh, I thought this was like a knock-knock joke ajmitch: have you started on that csv driver? if not http://www.object-craft.com.au/projects/csv/ that might be helpful jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. revDeke / derek: this Bud's for you: http://csl.cse.ucsc.edu/~ben/python/cddb.html Action: drochaid is back (gone 02:35:06) btami (~btami@3e70d733.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi again jcater: same error with updated CVS (database datasource tags order issue) jcater: import error with 'saxlib' in labels Adapter.py btami: re the first one, I actually patched designer to put database tags in front of datasource tags I didn't have time to fix the bigger issue of why it needs to be that way :) not sure what #2 is about what is saxlib in your class TransformAdapter(Base, xml.sax.saxlib.HandlerBase): i havnt got any saxlib module oooooo I bet I used the PyXML parser and not the base python one I need to correct that (I think I have both installed on my pc) ok, thanks bye btami (~btami@3e70d733.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: "l8r" Nick change: f1x3 -> fixe_ no derek? here jcaer: i already found that link before :) what prompted me to want to do something :) btw: jade uses the object-craft stuff (or did) and really liked it (iirc) what's our policy about bringing other code fragments into cvs as a module of gnue.common? MUST be gpl compatiable e.g., I've found a few small scripts that would be handy for me wrt reports dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) left irc: "later.." we prefer assignment, but for such things simply being gpl compatiable license would be enough tp://www.opensource.org/licenses/PythonSoftFoundation.html oh and courtesy says ask original author if its ok err http://www.opensource.org/licenses/PythonSoftFoundation.html it's one of those things, it's simple enough I could reimplement, so no way I would require an end-user to do but its feature-complete, stable enough for me to prefer to grab his fyi: its http://www.crazy-compilers.com/py-lib/shellwords.html ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-244-69.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "nite" The License of Python 2.0.1, 2.1.1, and newer versions. are GPL compatiable from the GNU site http://www.python.org/2.0.1/fsf.html I'll drop this guy a line and ask for his blessing it's not like I want to publish the code as my own :) just keep users from needing to install yet another thing otherwise I won't use it i would jsut leave the copyright headers as his and include jcater: can you work with psu to fix it so we can put gnue website in savannah cvs somewhere and have it autochecked out? yeah I can try worse case, savannah hackers may not like me in the mornign :) hi jcater: yes i started on the driver just out of curiosity, how are you processing the lines in the file? i looked at that one, but it's not wonderful - requires you to compile a python extension hmm at the moment, i'm doing it simply - i know it's not great :) ok I was just curious lupo (~lupo@p5085EBCD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo (~lupo@p5085EBCD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection lupo (~lupo@p5085EBCD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi i'm currently trying to install gnue tools on my laptop i hope that python2.2 works yeah it works wha tis your laptop running Action: revDeke hopes not suse or some other hard to play with distro :) debian, what else? is there anything else at all? whew it should be easy then you installing cvs? oooooo or 0.4.0? lupo: debian unstable? cvs rulez if 0.4.0 i would just use the debs jcater: debian stable ok didn't know python2.2 was in stable now jcater: there is no 2.1 in stable anymore jcater: why woudnt it be 2.3 is in unstable ;) no 2.1 in woody? wasn't there some bug with 2.2 in gnue? no 2.1 in woody, unbelievably lupo: 2.2.0 lupo: long time ago but 2.2.1 fixed it okay they are on 2.2.2 now, I think lupo: against postgresql? jcater: come one you know you can get 2.3 in sid, why say they are on 2.2.2 ;) Action: jcater thwaps revDeke Action: revDeke still think thats hilarious yep, just configuring postgresql lupo: make sure stable doesn't have python-psycopg 1.0.13-1 it's broken I think stable has an older version of psycopg which is good i have 1.0.8 ok, good setup-cvs.py or setup-cvs2.py what is setup-cvs2.py ?? when did that get in there? dunno, it's here :) well, use setup-cvs.py psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. jcater: looks like arturas checked it in - it includes fixes for win32 oh Action: jcater would have named that setup-cvs-win32.py, then :) ImportError: No module named wxPython.wx jcater i told them to rename setup-cvs-win.py Action: revDeke assumes they never did it? apt-get libwxgtk or something liek that i have for the proper python? do python2.2 then type import wxPython.wx and if you get that error then you dont have wxPython installed quite right for python2.2 i did a find this bitch has installed wxPy to /usr/lib/python2.1 Varadhan: are you around? argh dependency hell i can't remove 2.1 and install 2.2 exclusively, because some blockheads made a dependency on python2.1 and not python argh libwxgtk2.2-python is wx version 2.2 for python 2.1 DB000: self.borderPercentage = (float(gConfig('borderPercentage')) / 100) DB000: ValueError: invalid literal for float(): 100.0 isnt that quaint according to the copied config file, these values should be obsolete Action: revDeke cuddles in the fetal position and shakes nervously as he points to jcater.... muttering... "the bad man did this to me, run before he gets you too" hehe bah! DB000: File "/home/lupo/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/designer/forms/LayoutEditor/LayoutEditor.py", line 292, in drawPage darn foreigners DB000: self.textPercentage = (float(gConfig('textPercentage')) / 100) DB000: ValueError: invalid literal for float(): 100.0 can't use our simple dotted number notation :) um wish btami or ra3vat were here I think they know how to get around this or Art what is the precise problem? l10n? i18n your locale setting something to do with site_customize or something because we use "," to seperate floating points and "." to mark thousands and you do it the other way round? I'm not 100% sure what is field type "serial" in postgres? I think that's an automatic sequence field great, thats what i suspected i'll use that for the id :) okay i've made a simple customers table let's see whether the wizards in designer are really as great as some people claim :) DB000: gnue.common.GDataObjects.ProviderNotSupportedError: No database driver found for provider type 'psycopg' fixed again, wrong version i'm here Bobacus (~rob@pc2-cmbg2-5-cust191.cam.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "[x]chat" okay, simple wizard works really fine guys thank you you did a really great job lupo: so did it live up to the hype? r0x0rz gnue-reports -f postscript -F 'label="Avery 6879"' mylabels.grd that, boys and girls, now works I tested with 3-4 different label part numbers that I have in house cool how are you making the postscript? ie.. what libraries or such in python are you using? fyi, -F == --filter-options == options to pass to the filter process none revDeke: gnue rocks ass rocks ass? or kicks ass? Action: jcater isn;t sure what "rocks ass" means :) rocks da house Action: revDeke pinches his butt cheeks closed and stays away from gnue until that phrase is deciphered ;) drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" kick ass! well revDeke: frightened? http://www.gnu.org/press/2002-11-12-mysql.html <- cool drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. revDeke: btw, who are you? http://www.gnue.org/~dneighbo/ is who i am revDeke = dneighbo = derek? yip ah okay :) derek: does it make sense to direct donations to gnue to the fsf europe? because overseas money transfer is prohibitively expensive for smaller (<$100) donations revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "CGI:IRC 0.5 (EOF)" argh derek always goes when i have important questions revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo: you can mail me cash I will be sure everyone gets it revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Client Quit well bye then lupo (~lupo@p5085EBCD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out revDerek (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. grrr im pissed i didnt leave on purpose my connection crapped out on me sorry lupo revDerek (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-107-182.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" hello people hi what's the native language of NZ? english is the main language used damn maori is apparantly also an official language, but a large part of the country doesn't speak it i swore you guys had a language other than english not as a primary language just cos i speak funny doesn't mean i speak english as a second language ;) don't worry, that's not why I thing you speak funny why'd you think we had another language? what version of wx would you recommend for fresh gnue install under w98? the most bleeding edge you can get ra3vat: the latest should work, i think even then good luck i used 2.3.2.1 on w98, but not with GNUe :) oh, thanks :) if you look at the feature plan you'll see the cleanup got pushed back a rev so that a native win32 driver can move up i still prefer gtk2 on GNU/Linux :) rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hah, bug squashed 1-line change in our code i hope yup in gtk2 driver i just compared it with the wx driver :) not sure what do do about the formAlert() method tho implement it :) :) the wx driver produces a beep i don't see how to do that with gtk2, so i dropped it out jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. as long as a UI driver does things consistantly it does not have to do the same thing as wx driver instead of a beep you could flash the screen once then have the status bar blink 3 times it works or something yeah hi jcater jamest: the curses driver does that it flashes the screen instead of a beep :) ok, i was just explaining that a UI driver only has to be consistant with itself as it defines the behaviour on that interface jcater: the nz'rs speak english not kiwi so I can't use them in the tutorial hehe kiwi was a joke you could use maori :) i know :) maori it is then how to say "welcome" in it haere mai are those capitalized? iirc :) umm yeah, i guess jamest: don't forget: 'wassup, my nigga!" jcater had a url but that's at work not here that's chillywilly speal speak i don't think that's be PC http://www.etailersdigest.com/resources/welcome.htm jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: you try gnue again ? hey jbailey jamest: Nope, not yet. ajmitch: New Zealand - Kia Ora - Hello ("Key or ra")\ jcater: yeah, "Kia Ora" is another one jamest: I'm hoping to have some time tommorow, but it's unlikely. ajmitch: Heya. we've done a prerelease jive locale Of which version? 0.4.1 jamest: think you could sneak in some patches to forms before the release? absolutely cool no one actually runs the pre-releases and test them Hmmm.. Weren't you skipping 0.4.1 because of the confusion with 0.4.1a? we just do it cause it makes us fell like we trie d we talked about it http://kel.otago.ac.nz/translator/ hmm, an otago.ac.nz address... :) hehe kupu! jamest: I can't make debs of 0.4.1. =( Well, I keep mark an epoch, but I'd rather not. sigh well 0.4.2 or 0.4.1b both are confusing :) fwiw: we've switched to 0.4.0.99 for cvs 0.4.1.1? =) whats with these crazy moon versionings? :) this is a 1 time issues isn't it? after this .debs will be based upon releases? the problem with gtk2 is the overabundance of API docs jamest: Hopefully. Unless you guys take a silly long time between releases and I need to pull from CVS to fix bugs. us take a long time? long time? no way Having only recently successfully installed GNUe, I have no idea what your release cycles are. =) we always keep it under a year *lol* "We release more often than the Hurd" or debian! ajmitch: the problem with gtk is the overabundance of API yup we're so with the "in" crowd jbailey: y'all got a lot of bad press on that slashdot story wrt partition limits of 2 GB or whatever jcater: for sure :( don't worry jcater: Well, rms promised something, and put no effort into making it happen. i've seen people come in here thinking GNUe was just a VB clone ;) jcater: Well, at least this time there were posters that actually knew what they were talking about re the limitations He also failed to *ask* any of us first. ajmitch: true dat So I think we should have a "fuck rms" release. Call it 1.0 without the features. =) hehe lol Action: jcater will stay out of that debate :) =) you mean it isn't a VB replacement? nickr: no!!! its an Access replacement nickr: You're looking for GNU Mono. =O =) silly nickr hehe With the motto: "Use C#, and you'll get Mono!" It replaces Access but isn't an access replacement, I think is what you meant to say "You'll wish you had Mono"? it isn't limited to replacing access nickr: I was being sarcastic... that's a common association too... ppl think we are just an access replacement no, wp is an access replacement lol at least in your office, eh? wp = word perfect for those not in the know Action: jcater still thinks we need a wp dbdriver dude jcater: so GNUe's not an access replacement? dang :) i need reports to output wp merge file format (AKA WP Database format) I need reports to print money wp is still fairly popular, isn't it? lol ajmitch: ask him the versions he's having to support If he's lucky it's 5.1 for dos. =) it must've been crazy to have to write stuff back then for dos jbailey: it is Write your own everything driver. sheesh. fun! per machine: wp 5.1 for DOS, 6.0 for Win 3.1, 7.0, 8.0, 9.0 ya, they needed GNUe-Common / DOS Edition :) was there an emacs for DOS? :) 5 friggen licenses per machine our office has everything in wp "databases" ouch! and the "programs" are wp 5.1 for dos macros I'm trying to get forms doing more and more but there is major resistance ultraconservative office staff? wp doesn't do input validation so forms is more limited ajmitch: worse tenured staff Action: ajmitch shudders as they can't slap an 15 email addresses into the zipcode field Action: jamest is NOT going to get started he is not jamest: you should be gnue'n jamest: where do you have the misfortune of working? ajmitch: I love my job Kansas State Universiry er, University thought it would have to be an institution like that :) jamest: you're supposed to remind yourself that you love your job, not ajmitch jamest: yes, you _don't_ love me you love your job hmmm what to break next i'm still searching for how to flash the screen, or do something.... i don't feel like grabbing the gdk layer, inverting it, blitting it, then restoring jcater: you need a list? um i have 1 thing that would be very very nice err Action: jcater is afraid to ask um uh oh I don't do hired assassinations for the tutorial sorry, dude I'm repeating the lines import sys,os sys.path.append('/usr/local/gnue/lib/python') os.environ['INSTALL_LIB']='/usr/local/gnue/lib/python' os.environ['INSTALL_PREFIX']='/usr/local/gnue' for each sample it would be nice if we had some way for apps to discover this at runtime maybe a small module installed the in default search path of python I can do this Action: jcater darts off to, um, do this gah stuff this, i'll just send the patch as-is & fix the alert problem later :) forms-support@gnuenterprise.org ? um i didn't even know that existed heh jamest: that's how all those tickets you have got in there Action: jamest is off to adjust the system wide procmails on ash to properly route that stuff to, um, somewhere special sent - you may want to remove the commented lines instead :) Action: ajmitch waits for mr cater to review the patch :) dyfet (~dyfet@dsl-65-188-113-57.telocity.com) joined #gnuenterprise. it's dyfet! yep im getting ready to travel again where to now? amsterdam eurobsdcon fun Heya dyfet. hello dyfet: My boss is definetly into the idea of me contributing the set management stuff to bayonne. cool I also was looking at embedding python directly into bayonne I don't know how clever I can get with forms, but if it could be convinced to display an SVG telephone set with buttons in the right place, that would be ideal. ooh, svg fancy ajmitch: *lol* ajmitch: Have you a better idea? I just know that I or Angie could whip them up in Sodipodi very quickly. nope, no ideas here my brain has been flushed free of ideas :) jamest: i've installed forms on w98 ra3vat: any issues? dimas (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. i18n not included? jamest: ? drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. g'night all! jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: "Client Exiting" drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) nickr (~panphage@e-64-35-146-236.empnet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection dimas: ? Varadhan (~Varadhan@61.11.56.27) left irc: "Client Exiting" it's me ra3vat, i'm doing my last tests before sleep nickr_ (~panphage@e-64-35-146-236.empnet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dyfet (~dyfet@dsl-65-188-113-57.telocity.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Nick change: drochaid_ -> drochaid is i18n not in the windows copy? jamest: translations is not included, i copied it but it does not work for me anyway will try again tomorrow bye dimas (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. wb mr jcater ;) thanks' kde just decided it wanted to restart itself when I was opening a file damn biotch rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater: you applied that patch i sent it yet? oh not yet will now ok :) ajmitch: where'd you send that patch?> forms-support@gnuenterprise.org it's #164 so i guess the attachment is somewhere on ash ;) gah can you forward the patch directly to me jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-107-182.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. Action: drochaid is away: no ere sure sent to your gnue.org address re hi rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1aa-105.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith_ (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1aa-105.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: derek is back (gone 13:25:46) Action: derek goes to chow pizza then its gnue-sb and forms 0.4.1 smackdown time dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1aa-105.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Connection timed out SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-5.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith_ (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1aa-105.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "later.." rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" ****** New prereleases (-pre2) at: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/prereleases.php These include updated NEWS and ChangeLogs files. Changes since -pre1: * ajmitch's bugfix patches for GTK2 * btami's improved I18N support in Common, Reports * btami's namespace support in Designer's report wizards * Label support in reports * Most DCL tickets closed * Other??? If your feature is not in this prerelease, you probably want to call a Memphis donut shop, or wait until 0.5.0. We are prepping up for a weekend release. ****** ... you may return to your regularly schedules, um, silence s/schedules/scheduled Mmm Donut's donuts rock Action: derek thinks release names should be donut types Rainbow Sprinkle Release Mmm what does that make 0.4.0? Stale cake donuts? Jelly Filled Release Bear Claw Release Long John Release and so on oooo can GNUe 1.0.0 be the Captain Hanson Crockett Gregory release? (inventor of the center-less donut) Mmm :) Stop taunting me :) Nick change: Remosi -> Isomer 0.4.0 would be something like cranberry donut release Isomer: donuts! Isomer: you know you want a DONUT http://home.earthlink.net/~jiw/donuttypes.html crap crap crap Action: jcater grunts jcater i had you in san jose and didnt take you to lou's living donut museum dude! you bastard! doh Action: jcater will stop speaking to derek at this point living donut? they DELIVER donutes for only 5 cents more Action: jcater doesn't really want to see a living donut I prefer my food dead before I eat it donut delivered to your desk for the price of a coffee http://www.heartsdelights.com/lous/products.htm look at that rack the donut rack that is :) mmmmmmm dude we need one of those in memphis shoot delivery for 5 cents he'd have to open up a branch next door hehe "Our selection of donuts varies, depending on the season and day of week, but you can generally find the following donuts, unless someone beats you to them! " or if jcater is at work that day! I must sleep now I was up too late last night so was useless today happy prerelease testing, guys jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "nite" --- Thu Nov 14 2002