"AccWhizz is based on CK-Ledger code written by Chiu Kay Wu. Without His great job and inspiration I would not be able to write AccWhizz. CK-Ledger is, in turn, based on SQL-Ledger (by Dieter Simader) functionality. " luvly rofl I have an idea let's fork AccWhizz and do something else! then we can have a big family tree! Off to bed. g'night all! jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater: i just moved gnue-sb from nongnu to gnu for website i.e. checked out gnu version cp files localy on my machine commited to gnu gnue-sb so likely they should show up if they do you can kill old repository lol i don't think you'd need to do that Action: ajmitch cringes as jcater rm -rf's the whole web tree ;) hey why not others have fun too ;) ok freshmeat updated with all releases i had to add navigator i guess i never released it at 0.0.1 ah piss they are approving them already shouldnt they be in bed grrr i had hoped they would post at like 4am my time er, why? :) err, why not? :) um biggest audience is US 4am my time is 6am EST with a little luck they would stick on the front page till about 12 my time i.e. most of the US audience would see them during morning or lunch break its sad but freshmeat is a HUGE imprint on days we run releases at freshmeat our web traffic jumps WAY up that's when jamest turns the AC on for the webserver :) it never needed AC it was in KS fixe (~adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi fixe Action: dneighbo is away: slumbering fixe (~adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "nite" stay away from cvs head it should still work but jcater has commited the start of changes for 0.5.0 fun! I will be branching 0.4.1 tomorrow to apply some patches and will be releasing 0.4.2 of at least forms later in the week ok i'll try & do patches against the branch if i have time to fix bugs :) cool ok, gotta run psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. whew nite jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-107-182.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "[x]chat" gah just realised that the php script for posting news to website strips out

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SachaS (~Sacha@ark.cs.curtin.edu.au) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning psu: may i e-mail a new setup.exe to you if i'm ready ? btami: please can you do so in half an hour (i.e. after 9 am your time) I can then get it uploaded tonight ok, i will try are we doing both debug-on and debug-off versions again? i think debug-on for pre enough then 0.4.1 will be -on and -off btami: note that the 0.4.1 are officially released now oh you might like to get the new zips and work off those ok jcater put them out last night while we were sleeping "gnue - your 24/7 project" I have just (as of 2 minutes ago) updated website news so i can send debug-on and debug-off versions yes is it ok after 10 too ? no problem I won't be able to do anything with them this morning anyway as I'm off to work in 15 mins and on dial-up, they'll take more than 15 mins to download your mail ;-) The official announcement says "Windows .exes later this week" so tonight will be fine s/will be/will have to be do you know another way to upload somewhere, some public place ? it will be 2x10 Mb actually, if you e-mail jcater/jamest rather than me a) they should be on a better connection than me b) they can probably upload before I am back from work anyway Action: psu isn;t trying to avoid work, just take himself as a barrier out of the loop which is the best, jcater or jamest ? jamest seems to wake up first ;-) and jcater had a late night getting the releases out so I guess jamest cc to me as a back-up ok, i will sent to jamest@gnue.org cc ok psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("work time"). 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Isomer (dahoose@port-219-88-247-206.jet.net.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by calvino.freenode.net dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all jamest: have you got win32 packages ? i have not jamest@gnue.org just about 20 Mb :) you'll have to split them up as I think the mta will not accept any single mail over 10mb is size ok, i will try again ooooo and if you send them to jamest@gnuenterprise.org you'll skip 1 forwarding jamest told me something about scp, but i'v never tried it before s/jamest/jcater delivering mail... 84% 87% 90% 99% sent but it is about 13Mb :( setup debug-on setup debug-off is another debug-off sent KeithJagrs (jorgre@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. hello! have to go, bye btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: KeithJagrs (jorgre@63.74.24.9) left irc: "later" Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-240-160.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" hello all hello Arturas Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Nick change: reinhard -> rm-dinner oh DoctorHook (~DoctorHoo@mail.faam.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Good Morning! I have a quick question for anyone who has a moment... I'm desparately trying to break my M$ habit and one of the biggest obstacles is trying to find a replacement for MS Access. I just discovered your project a few moments ago and at first glance it appears to be what I've been looking for? ok ColeMarcus (~klebermas@p5080499B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Sorry, that was a question. I have built custom apps in Access/VBA that I would like to move to a Linux environment. Would this be a similar tool? DoctorHook: we are not an access replacement, per se but could definitely be a substitute we are comparable to the Forms and Reports parts of access (only with a lot more power, imho) we don't have a database, so you'd use PostgreSQL, for example, as the database backend (or SAP-DB, ....) I see! What about the programming part? I'm NOT a programmer... but I can stumble around with VB or VBA to get done what I need... I'm trying to learn... we use Python for any triggers/events... it's a VERY newbie-friendly language it would be a small step from VBA to Python drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Beautiful! I have looked at Python. It is very frustrating to move from an environment where I'm more than competent to a brand new one. There is so much to learn and sometimes don't know where to start! It's overwhelming, but you've been agreat help! Thanks! DoctorHook (~DoctorHoo@mail.faam.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" piss i missed him jcater/jamest always someone coming from msaccess suggest that pgadmin has a MIGRATION tool that will migrate all tables + data for them which is a huge part of the work if they have not done anything too 'fancy' code wise (standard vb forms) designer will putty in their hands especially with wizards Action: dneighbo has half considered writing a vb forms (and delphi forms) conversion tool ah jamest: can we get logging re facilitated on ash jcater: the biggest thing we are missing (and so is pgadmin) is a 'query designer' i think eventually it would be nice to have that in designer(schema tools) if you all add the quick table view stuff (what someone was calling grid view) the 'query designer' would be about only thing we are missing to be close to access replacement (imho) and unfortunately i have seen a LOT of access ;) jcater: it worked : http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue-sb/ though the dates are dorked :) anyone know how to upgrade to gnome 2? and if you do can you still use gnome 1.4 apps? Action: dneighbo was so impressed with kde fonts/smoothness i would like to see gnome2 dneighbo: you can still use gnome-1.4 apps with gnome-2. it's pretty nice, esp from a developer perspective -- gtk2 fixes a good number of b0rkennesses in gtk not all of course :) but a good number nonetheless you know what is necessary for debian? i think i have all the libgtk2 stuff as i got it when i got gphoto2 Action: dneighbo is mostly looking for cleaner fonts if you're on unstable, you will automagically get the gnome2 stuff iirc with a debian upgrade re: kde fonts not sure about what to do on stable Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. wife liked kde 'fonts' but nothing else about it :) asked to have gnome back yeah i just did upgrade on unstable we will see what it brings Action: drochaid prefers KDE to Gnome but not enough to actually care which I use dneighbo: one of my fave things about gtk2 is that things like GtkLabels now accept attribute markup on their strings. so you can do something like Hello, World! i use fluxbox so its not a 'me' issue its a 'wife' issue ;) dneighbo: what's the odds of getting that demo schema soon? (the music database) you want today? Action: dneighbo can probably pump it out today today would work :) my wife is a dedicated mac-o-phile unfortunately. i'm hoping I can drive her towards linux using macosx :) ESPECIALLY if the schema wizard works in designer as i think i already have the tables created dneighbo: i didn't know logging was down on ash Arturas: you here? Nick change: rm-dinner -> reinhard dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) ra3vat: yes, hi Dmitry hello Arturas can you look into common/doc/technotes/00002.txt i was thinking that encoding param in gnue.conf is only relevant for postgresql so it understand specific pgsql names encoding is the client encoding and can be either : SQL_ASCII, EUC_JP, EUC_CN, EUC_KR, EUC_TW, UNICODE, MULE_INTERNAL, LATINX (X=1...9), KOI8, WIN, ALT, SJIS, BIG5, WIN1250. Available encoding depends on your PostgreSQL and libpq version. Refer to PostgreSQL manual for supported encodings for your PostgreSQL. ra3vat: give me please about 5 mins... sure Action: jcater thinks that belongs in connections.conf if its specific to postgres actually I thought it was already there? yes "encoding" name is confusing jcater: it was done in ancient time when connection.conf was not yet born :) ra3vat: you mean #hack for db encoding in 00002.txt? wow, justt saw the release on freshmeat neat dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Arturas: yes, and the whole paragraph is not clear, some encoding names are mentioned there that are not relevant and would not work i agreed with jcater about moving that db encoding to connections.conf ok, i agree with it too - (i would like to believe there was some reason why i did put it here, but i don't remember :\) - i'll do it in a few days jamest i think logging works i just think that 'reporting on logging' is down johannes (~johannes@M701P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" dneighbo: logging? ra3vat: that 's a typo ? he means 'reporting on flogging' he's not sure who to beat next based upon what people in IRC promise to attempt to accomplish roflmao found out they are killing my dish soon :( and making it commericial so price will continue to climb over next year or two and that sprint is working on using pcs network to offer broadband instead w/ radioshack as the hardware provider and it looks like it will be available soon so looks like i might have to switch to cox siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-193-165.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. Mr_You (~car@gso167-138-145.triad.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hi yo dneighbo: how is it going? is 93KB/sec decent downstream? quite decent :) the maximum I got up to now was 80KB/sec did you change the DSL provider? Action: dneighbo is forgetting whats what i had big and little k im thinking thats like 700k+ ? ah much better i think my modem is all fixed 1,286 Kbps is reported download wow. that means, downloading gnue's new setup.exe [10MB] takes 77 secs. siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-193-165.netcologne.de) left irc: "Eject! Eject! Eject!" siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-193-165.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: what about that modified_by fields? any decitions? ra3vat: i havent fully looked into it my understanding is that (at least with postgres i could do it directly from db) either via oncommit trigger or via backend db stsuff i BELIEVE i cna get username from gnue as well though from what i gather it will be an 'ugly' call so there was talk of 'convience' triggers to support it StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-17.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all jcater: what would be that 'kstructural changes'that you tal about in (one of) your last commit? evil doings :) StyXman: talking about my butt i would say its seperation of logic and layout specifically what i gathered its moving block out from data er block ouut ah? we REALLY need to merge our trees (i had hoped you would have merged for 0.4.1 release) but if you guys dont hop on it in next day or two it will likely be really BAD dneighbo: I can send the big patch *now* i.e. the guts will change significantly and merging will be near impossible well you would need to coordinate with jcater/jamest yes, I know. it's my job are they around? siesel: my modem seems to be picking up speed 1,375 Kbps StyXman: they might be ghhh probably just coming back from lunch or shsould be back shortly I'm gone shortly :( StyXman: the sad thing is that number is with still about 18% packet loss ;) ok, I'll see what can I do. dneighbo: you mean siesel ? derek (~laurie@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. bye Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) left irc: StyXman: does it have to be one huge patch? lupo (~lupo@pD9E68864.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hiho jamest: hi derek: are you alive/awake? yes, I have the big one. I can (try to) separate it in functional patches im awake alive is questionable *g* lupo: you always grab me when im getting ready to do sosmething har har im cutting off on thiss machine to dial into work but i will be here as derek just incase you try to /msg for anything yep that's what i want org stuff ok give me 2 minutes to login to work and start a process and you will have my full attention :) Derek, we've got to talk! :-) cool, new forms devel guide gotta check this out dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" every gnue cvs checkout is like christmas: new nice things that you always wanted to have lupo: im still here reinhard: are you here? StyXman: if it's one big one please send to jamest@gnuenterprise.org Action: derek looks... hmm jamest@gnuenterprise has an imap rule to forward to /dev/null if to: == styxman@vialibre.org most interesting no way i swore I had to set to fwd to jcater Action: jamest better fix that dude that's a problem KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. I think we'd create an infinite mail loop derek: try not to kid with that. it's my job, and if it's not done, I get my head cut off hello jamest: ko, I'll send it soon mailing list for Small Business isn't seem to be working at least the archives DISCLAIMER: some features added are maybe deprecated. those you think are ugly, pleasse feel fre to discuss them either in your mailing list or in ousr. StyXman: we're gonna need that patch *soon* as we need to make progress on our stuff jcater: gimme 5 minutes. how is mysql sql is produced from schema when only base, oracle and postgresql exist in processors? is there any locale support for date time entries? ra3vat: it isnt : ) what is gnue sb? derek: how it is done in gnue-sb then? small business currently gnue-sb only supports postgres until the gsd tool is fixed to support the other databases good thing as soon as the tool renders gsd's for a db that db should be supported by gnue-sb aha nobody told me about that! :) Action: derek will warn if you are wanting to use gnue-sb w/ mysql you are asking for a world of hurt lupo: it was kept for christmas :) ra3vat: :) mysql is not a kwality kode database for this type of application if your restraint is gpl only database please consider sap-db mysql with more than 1:1 and 1:n relationships is a PITA or with more than 5-10 small tables can someone tell me how to do sequences in mysql? or an equivalent? and the first person who says "auto_incremenet" better be wearing a helment helmet as I can't seem to get at the next value reliably Action: lupo better shuts up that was a serious question, btw I've googled and googled and googled and can't find the answer ColeMarcus (~klebermas@p5080499B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jcater: i'd bet a dounut you'll have to grop to seed tables drop even derek: what about to remove MySQL dir (it is empty really) from there? README could be placed in PgSQL dir though ra3vat: i will look into when i disconnect form work i need to setup a dcl instance for GNUe SB real soon now (tm) if I can get an answer to my question, I can add mysql support :) jamest: that's gonna be interesting mysql uses autoincrement Action: derek is donning a BIG ole helmet seems like sqlite would replace what a lot of people use mysql for. Action: jcater thinks sqlite might prove to be really important to gnue-sb Action: derek shudders postgres should be fine anyone who uses mysql for like Action: derek notes my personal goal for gnuesb is not to be quickbooks grib (~grib@grib.customer.jump.net) left irc: "I'm too lame to make a quit message" a local database that they never access over a network and only has one person using it or even local database backing a single host website if someone wants that i will point them to gnucash small business project seems silly viva sqlite! if someone is willing to do local filesystem for a db then gnue-sb is bigger than them (imho) Action: derek isnt opposed to getting sqllite working, but states strongly that is not the target market for gnue-sb of course not StyXman: you send that yet? but I bet we still see the single business owner strolling in wanting something for his PC yes I just think mysql is overused for the wrong things. i agree Action: jcater isn't saying we code for that target but I'm just saying I bet we see it sqlite is simpler to manage than mysql in most circumstances that use mysql. Its so annoying to see a cool thing that uses a databes backing for only one host that uses mysql! nickr: right jamest: just dpoing thast *now* thats why gnue rules, database neutrality :) lol I just think mysql is overused for the wrong things. thats why gnue rules, database neutrality btw jamest: sent does/will gnue-sb handle european tax stuff ie tax on sales gack! 143K lupo: right now this is my big pain true that's a lot of diff reading :) im torn whether to make gnue-sb US only or support foreign stuff the problem i have with making it 'anywhere' there are minor code fixes, and several new features is you lose a TON of validation rules US business love (wow, mail is fast) and speed features like if US only i can make it so you enter a zipcode and it auto populates city and state i can validate phone numbers against states i.e. is that a valid area code for a state etc etc as soon as i make it i18n i end up with very sloppy validation and very general data entry jamest: I'm leaving. just read the mail, and I'll be crossing fingers :) Action: derek realizes there is a huge foreign market and doesnt want to discount that bye all i see this is the dilemma so im torn StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-17.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "yes!" if lots of non us people are willing to help and use do either one or the other, just do it right likely i will make it i18n if not then i will likely make US centric as thats my target market i think having a market at all is better than fulfilling thousand problematic and inconsistent wishes if the resources aren't sufficient, we can still fork currently i just don't have an enterprise customer who wants to make a switch :( so i don't have big ERP reality touch :-(( okay, gotta go bye lupo (~lupo@pD9E68864.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" did debs make it to unstable? Action: derek would love to test them out psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: debs for woody are in our repositiry on ash i can't think of any reason they wouldn't work on unstable i don't think jbailey's had time to upload sid's yet inputmask="d/m/y" formatmask="d/m/y" displaymask="d/m/y"