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I just noticed that gnue@gnu.org has 454 members, whereas gnue-announce has 170 doesn't that seem backwards? your back derek: /me is a horrible insomniac my back? what about it? is something on it? weird (re mail lists) Action: jcater is glad I sent the release announcement to all the lists this time yep maybe we shouild consider subscribing gnue to gnue-announce and gnue-dev to gnue & rationalising membership (as far as we can - obvioulsy no way to tell that derek@gnue.org is the same as well, we should be done with it and get rid of all those dneighbo@foo.bar.az and instate gnue-psu's-list, gnue-banter, and gnue-useful-stuff s/isntate/institute heh well I better get back to bed before wife realizes I'm out jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "nite again (hopefully)" Action: derek realizes my wife will be chasing me soon Action: derek is away: bed btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-247-52.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. btami: how to switch to english (default) translation with binary setup.exe in win2K? SET LC_ALL= psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) in control panel->system->advanced->environment variables btami: thanks, trying. it is not on my machine, so i'm just forwarding ra3vat: sorry , but it doesn't works :( which db drivers included? another try is deleting the not needed translations thats an idea as translation directory is not hidden, buried ... odbc, kinterbasdb, sapdb, psycopg, pypgsql, mysql, appserver, configfile s/kinterbasdb/inerbase i was hoping that translations would not work under win when offered gnue to install for my friend :) eh, interbase as it is done in koi8-r and does not recode into cp1251 automatically it is the same on my machine but i have source installation they use oracle the oracle driver needs one non free file i havn't got i think GbaseApp.py needs a pach to LC_ALL owerwrite i have changed mine but wanted to test with fresh version first lang =[locale.getdefaultlocale()[0]] if LC_ALL exist btami: you know what file is needed for oracle? no, but jcater answered it in gnue-dev list some days before ok dtm ([YdUiiN5Ft@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) got netsplit. dtm ([YdUiiN5Ft@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) got netsplit. 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Isomer (dahoose@port-219-88-246-35.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1ab-208.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "This sentence no verb" reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all jamest: my last patch line (in MailMerge wizard) is wrong in CVS in line 181 out_report = pot_report = self..... one out_report = is enough :) s/pot/out s/report/record ColeMarcus (~klebermas@217.228.234.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) btami: ? one more time please reinhard: you here? jamest: the MailMerge.py in designer/templates/reports has invalid python in line 181 in 0-4-1-branch ? ah, ok yes i'm here reinhard: jcater did a sample app on using datasources for you when talking about moving appserver to common do you still have it? let me look don't think so if you need it i could take it from an old backup tape but not before monday evening yogurt2unge (~charlie@ADSL-200-59-86-17.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: nah, i'll look here i wanted a sample app in the gnue common guide and why start from scratch :) ok Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello Action: Arturas is away: exam fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: derek is back (gone 07:31:25) StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-17.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi grrr time to run to work Action: derek is away: work er usted correr or something el jeffe gets mad el jefe se encula usted correr? you run? El jefe se cabrea jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port38.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port17.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: Arturas is back (gone 01:21:34) could someone help me a bit troubleshooting gnue connection to db? :) it hangs on while conencting to postgresql but i can connect to the db manually Arturas: tried --debug-level? yes which level? DB001: [DBdriver:121] Postgresql database driver initializing DB000: Traceback (most recent call last): from 5th and the traceback says? it's keyboard interrupt ah i got tired of waiting for any result :) maybe i haven't installed some dependency (i reinstalled linux recently) Arturas: when connecting manually, are you using the -h option? mm no, trying... something like this? :arturas@gsk:~$ psql -U gnue -h localhost gnue it also hangs ok then that means its your tcp/ip connection to postgres and not the gnue tools is this a new install? :) i got the problem - firewall is too strict :) i can connect without the firewall ah postgres uses port 5432 just fyi Action: Arturas would have never thought :) thank you :) Ash (~amathews@166.70.121.2) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ash! hi jamest! :) Action: Ash is investigating the gnu enterprise framework zoom feel free to ask questions we might even answer a few of them Yeah, I will :) I'm just busy at work atm, so you can expect them a little later. Hehehe. revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1ab-208.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "later.." Nick change: SachaS -> SachaS_away bye Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Client Exiting" nickr: you around yep sup? you shouldn't summon me and then leave! Now I have to wreak havok or somethin. :) i was going to ask about deb packaging uh huh and whether the packages are gpg signed or not what about it? and if so how is it inline or such? The changes and things are signed by the uploader so the archive knows its form you i found the packaging guide and am looking at it the packages themselves CAN be signed, but it isn't required. http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-final.html seems to talk about it thats just talking about the upload signing you're actually signing md5 sums of various files in the upload How do Debain files handle PGP signatures? Can they be embedded? was the original question Yes, there can be embedded signatures most packages don't have them though. any reason why not? debian is a slow beast change is evolutionary ? ah so its something supported and eventually they will do it but for now its optional? Yep theres a debsigs package that supports signing debs Description: applies cryptographic signatures to Debian packages debsigs is a package that allows GPG signatures to be embedded inside Debian packages. These signatures can later be verified by package retrieval and installation tools to ensure the authenticity of the contents of the package. and there is a package debsigs-verify which verifies pakages as they are installed its annoying though because most pagkages aren't signed :) fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. debsig-verify rather many thanks grasshopper No, you're grasshoppa, see? jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Can forms display jpgs (or pngs or whatever) based on a variable in a database? not currently no i danielson you mr mioggy jbailey: one would need an 'image' widget shouldnt be terribly difficult to add i woudl suspect i woudl defer to jcater/jamest you coudl of course make a 'button' and click the button calls external image viewer and passes information from forms data information I'll harrass jcater and jamest then for suggestions. Thanks, rev. =) likely if you need quickly you should go button approach (i.e. triggers) and call external as 0.4.x branch pretty much is bug fixes only or features not dealing with UI i wouldnt expect 0.5.0 until around new year adding image widget == ui change (im pretty sure) hello all fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jbailey: whatcha need? morning jamest: I can tell you what I need if you want a list 1. cute cheerleaders 2. donuts ooo or better yet that grid widget... i'd like to be able to display a summary of records in a form, that planned for 0.5.0? :) 1. cute cheerleaders wearing donuts lol Action: ajmitch guesses that's a "no, but we gladly accept patches" ajmitch: um maybe i think it'll be a bear to implement yup a bear or a beer? ;) jcater: i had some reading now that the earth is actually a donut if the moon is cheese why is hard to believe the rings around saturn are really giant donuts? yeah, something like that :) in the business news they said today that krispy kreme has had a gigat growth in revenues last quarter i had to think about jcater when i heard that immediately :) Funny, campbells soup reported that revenue is down after the post Sept. 11th surge. heh hi jeff :) Heya Andrwe. wassup jfef? werkin' Action: ajmitch pokes jbailey got accounts ssh problem :) accounts? What? got a trouble user, i copied his public key on but it not work :) Which user? Which server? fencepost user is jamest i even spelt authorized_keys with the american spelling! chown jamest ~jamest/.ssh/authorized_keys that should fix your problem. gar should have done chown -R :) thanks Anytime. Thanks for doign accounts stuff. the stupid things i do... :) I hadn't realised how busy glibc stuff was going to keep me. =) :) I got the sparc glibc uploaded this morning. =) That was.. a learning experience. hehe fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wb fixe chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. you guys are going buck nuts with the cvs commits 'buck nuts'? :) I remember when GNUe commits used to fill up my mailbox. feel free to use that one if you wish ;) jbailey: don't you filter your mail? Action: chillywilly gets commit-gnue filled up ;) I only started a month ago. HEH Weren't you here when someone thought it was odd that I didn't use procmail because I didn't feel like doing that much work? Action: chillywilly will try to gnue a little tonight I think I wanna restructure the various parser(s)...although working in _featuretest is lame, we should've done a proper branch or something I'm in!!!!!! thank you ajmitch and jbailey uh, that sounds...sexual omg, why is Stan mentioning Tony? doesn't he know that is not allowed? (on the mailing list) tony the tiger rowr Tony Stanco ;) Action: ajmitch back Action: chillywilly wonders how the hell Tony is going to develop anything oh, some boring tony that I am not aware of ;-) when he has no developers Action: Ash eats some frosted flakes he has no FD people mmmmm but he has his local uni slaves chillywilly: who is tony stanco, and why isn't he posting on the mailing list? I see (Sorry, I'm new to the whole gnuenterprise/dcl community) http://www.freedevelopers.net Ash: tony stanco would be an unlikely candidate to post on the GNUe list :) some ppl here were slightly involved yea, because da masta would bitch slap him anytime I see that name it makes me cringe well, i just took delivery of a lovely machine nice, ajmitch "took delivery"? does this mean you just signed for it? chillywilly: 5 finger discount heheh it was delivered Ash: I thought you were our server? when did you start IRCing? didn't need to sign for it :) ok dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1ab-208.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. fun :) hi dsmith crap, I gotta go pickup scotty from school now bbiaf 21" screen that does 640x480, iirc bye chillywilly: heh heh jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). Action: chillywilly still has about 10 mins Action: Ash yawns stop it ;) i'm allowed to yawn, my new daughter is only a week old aaah ok, you're forgiven ;) hehehe luckily enough her older sister is doing really well wrt going to bed without a hassle. 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But it's not like a super high priority. that would be an easy way to handle an emacs mode for it though. Action: revDeke isnt sure why you woudl desire an emacs mode for somethign that is not emacs like at ALL because i live in emacs mostly ah you run emacs os ? an editor shouldnt be a project management application :) no he runs virtual lisp machine :) i'd like to be able to have a message open in gnus and hit a key and have it dump into dcl just forward it to dcl and dcl will put it in dcl for you :) revDeke: I'm not thinking about it from a project management perspective, more of a defect tracking perspective. you might like request tracker better the FSF seemed to like it better for their virtual lisp machine users heh. i think its seriously lacking in features compared to dcl I like DCL's functionality for other people. but to some people emacs mode is more important than actually doing productive work :( And it would be convenient for me to have an emacs mode to handle my personal tickets/wo's in. heh It's more of a streamlining thing for me. Action: revDeke isnt bagging on emacs... you can ask jcater its the first thing i install on a new machine lol yeah I don't use emacs at all If I can keep myself from hopping to another app to handle something I'll do it. then I set you up an account on one of my machines and you freak but emacs really is crappy for many things :) Action: jcater remembers vividly heh heh the things its good at, its REALLY good at Action: jcater should learn emacs but I've done vi for close to 10 yrs Action: revDeke thinks only valid command in vi is :q hard to switch lol at least thats only one i know :) and least you know how to get out of vi revDeke: I don't want a full-featured DCL client in emacs, just enough so I can open and close tickets, basically. I freaked out in emacs as emacs even trapped my tried and true Ctrl+\ jcater: xemacs tells you right on the splash screen how to quit hehe Action: jcater now uses kate it's my new favorite and I prefer having something named after a woman it's more fun to yell at that way when things do wrong "damn you kate!" is more fun than just bang on the keyboard real hard long enough and emacs will do what you want "damn you emacs!" Has there been any discussion of LDAP integration to automagically acquire a client list? kate rejeceted me and wouldnt print Action: revDeke thinks maybe its cause i was logged in as laurie hmmmm kate might be jealous in retrospect, I don't think I've ever printed from kate no need to ash: yes, but i havent had time to install/configure ldap to play with it :) heh heh i would do a 'gateway' and i hope to use integrator to do it as using ldap directly is a bad idea (imho) ldap isnt a transactional type of datastore Well, I have an LDAP with all my luser data in there already, and it would be great to automatically use it. but rather regularly 'updated' the user information in dcl from ldap not using ldap as storage, just as a place to get and/or store client information. Sure, that would work. integrator will be the tool to make that happen great. if it were just 'authentication' i would just go directly against ldap as an options er option fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) but the user information is stored for other things in transactions so i think its best to use transaction user set and instead import regularly from ldap if GNUe could do local server authentication you could just setup LDAP in PAM if? well I hadn't seen anyone mention it but how do you make a Forms Client authenticate with a remote server? with appserver s/with/without with a custom authenticator not using the database authentication custom meaning its not part of GNUe core? not necessarily not sure how you go about it would require a remote Forms authentication server. well, if you want an authentication server specific to forms, yes but you could also authenticate against remote NIS, or LDAP, or Kerberos isn't it as simple as writing a plugin? well once you have local server authentication you can authenticate against any of those chillywilly: yes I've mentioned it on the mailing lists a plugin for what? authentication anyways, I'm not following you without more info most gnue stuff is extensible via a plugin either way it requires "extra" code on the server side. it requires a daemon unless dbs, auth, and now even designer ;) well, sure a dbs instance rpc or an ldapd instance or such depending on what you want to do you can tell the DB to also authenticate against local system.. and some other stuff that would be best. jcater: I don't think you're following me.. jcater: if you were able to authenticate against a remote servers passwd using local system authentication methods.. you could setup PAM to authenticate against just about anything. write one for pam and you'd get a bunch of methods inclusing system auth you wouldn't need to build LDAP, NIS, etc etc into the "forms authentication daemon" Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-86-17.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all! there is no forms authentication daemon there is no spoon, either chilly: yeah but AFAIK you don't "write it for pam" you just write it to do local system authentication Chipaca: :P Action: jcater looks at the spoon on his desk write what? jcater: then how would you authenticate a forms client against anything except DB? Mr_You: either way...you have choices a custom authenticator for local system? that's certainly an option Mr_You: no, you "write it for pam" and one many will use jcater: how would my windows machine authenticate against a remote GNU/Linux machines passwd file? with out a remote daemon? that's not a gnue problem per se there's NIS the windows machine isn't connected to NIS I see what your saying, but eww.. well that's what you're doing not really if you want to serve up your /etc/passwd to a windows machine cause GNUe authentication and windows desktop logins could need to be seperate.. well serving /etc/passwd to GNUe is the goal Mr_You: Generally you'd handle that with a samba PDC yuck seems to me there are lots of routes to take wrt that err... excuse me... forms doesn't care it just needs an autenticator whether that authenticator talks to samba or nis or ldap or validates against a database table is there a dbdriver for flat text files? (CSV, or whatever)? or against appserver Chipaca: almost, ajmitch is working on that ok where would be the best place, given that CSV files are not there yet, to load configuration? load your configuration? yes as in Action: jcater would look at oython's standard ConfigParser.py that's what we use for our tool's configuration data there is only one database, but each client runs on one of the things defined in one of the tbales I doubt it, but would be nice if postgres/mysql had methods to authenticate against local system/pam.. then all problems are solved without additional software and configuration i.e. how do I tell a particular form "you are entity # 3"? Mr_You: Samba PDC's work quite well, if you are using windows workstations. The solution seems to be to use pam_ldap and linux workstations. Chipaca: I guess ConfigParser is what you need. reads plain ol' windows ini files [section] var=value ash: I'm sure it does, but thats just another app you have to config and worry about... [section_foo] suck=it ash: ie. you don't have windows users login anyways.. and so on... but you do want GNUe authentication for windows machines Mr_You: Sure, but if you want your windows workstations to have central authentication it's either that or a custom GINA ah Well yeah. I'm just thinking as part of a cohesive network infrastructure. Ash: thats not what I'm talking about.. I'm talking about authentication GNUe running on windows against a unix passwd file without any additional software/config.. if the DB could do this, problem solved. Mr_You: we can't rewrite postgres :-/ ummm although they may have something like that I don't know come on now Action: revDeke thinks security/authentication debates are something to just kill time sure. the nice thing about a samba pdc is that you could have it sync'd to the local password and you could have GNUe just look at the windows login credentials. the truth is the only secure computer is the one that is never turned on end of story actually yogurt2unge (~charlie@ADSL-200-59-86-17.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" I think postgres has builtin pam support and everything beyond that becomes a compromise of where you draw the line in what you consider secure so neaahh :-P revDeke: I thought the discussion was more along the lines of how to authenticate nicely with GNUe, not necessarily the most secure way. Mr_You: then why all this argument? with every additional security feature you suffer some form of speed or usability StyXman: ? jcater: because no one was aware of this? ash: i think this is spill over from the dev list jcater: and I would consider it pretty important.. which does argue what is most secure which is my point so, AFAIK, you can authenticate GNUe against anything that postgres can do.. which should be able to do pam with v7.2 some people want most secure, some want reasonable security with minimal fuss, others dont really care much my point again is i think its just something to waste time arguing about well, yeah revDeke: Ahh, that would explain why I'm coming in during the middle :) the default authentication is against database well, not to interupt you, but the previous discussion was about authentication, not security. so whatever the database considers valid, we do as well authentication / security are two sides of the same coin IMO security assumes authentication.. authentication does not assume security ;-) one must be able to perform authentication to ensure security see arguments happen when we're not informed ;-) there is no point in 'authenticating' unless you plan on using it for something (mainly security) Chipaca: y'know, files like system.ini or kde's config files... Ash: so ash you should be able to configure postgres to authenticate against pam which will plugin to ldap or jst write a pam plugin or write a system auth plugin or whatever yeah frelling pick one ;) ash: or you could go with the samba PDC like you mentioned to include windows logins authenticating against the server. six of one, half a dozen of another yeah. Mr_You: Sure, either approach works well. It just depends on how you want to do it. well one could be overkill for some. samba PDC If you have windows workstations, you should have one anyway, so I don't see how it's all that much overkill. It takes 5 minutes to configure. :) not if you don't care about Windows "security" and you just have auto-logins anyways ;-) heh win2k's security is bad, but it serves it's purpose (stopping joe bob from sitting down at a pc and being able to access the whole network) ok, gone anyways for example a public network.. ajmitch: you here? StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-17.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.7 -- Are we there yet?" users only login to the (unix) server.. the windows desktops only provide a familiar interface.. sure I just haven't worked on any networks like that in *years* :) (simply because i've been working for companies) well, the whole point of this discussion is finding a solution for someone without having to configure a bunch of windows machines. K.I.S.S. for example. I could drop a GNUe box off at a business and have everything working without messing with their windows setup cause thats the last thing I want to do :) you could do that today as well just add all users in the postgres db and they just login against it obviously derek :-P but what if you wanted to use both passwd and DB or just the passwd file ;-) he has a nack for pointinjg out the obvious ;) revDeke: can I borrow your ear for just a couple of mins? eww Action: Chipaca has images of that sure mike tyson :) ok, well I gotta run.. sorry for bugging everyone, I tend to find "issues" that no one else wants to look for ;-) or has a need for. does GNUe currently have any plan to include an e-cart system? its a timing thing Mr_You fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. its like talking about how to post checks before the framework is ready timing as in I just jump into the conversation and start spouting? ;-) its not that we dont care or dont think posting checks is important but we have to have certain tunnel vision to get work done rev: well in this case, no one of us realized that it was already builtin to postgres and some didn't realize they can write their own ath plgins either ;) auth, even dir erp if we didnt we would never get anything done dres: yes er drochaid : yes dir? we are workign with two different clients that are doing e=cart stuff we are building on as far as we know, we could use postgres DB to authenticate GNUe against *almost* anything .. so far. this isn't DOS, it's IRC ;) revDeke: are either of them osCommerce? 1. of them is GPL or BSD but isnt complete per say.. .i dont know enough to comment /clear =) 2. the other one is home grown for a clientin php and seems very promising, they are considering the gpl for it bbl gnue-sb will be totally functional with the #2 who is we? i have seen osCommerce i have no idea how good or bad it is i remember something evil about it, but not what the idea would be we support MULTIPLE carts just liek we do databases is there a webpage specific to gnue-sb? which would be great though likely we will adopt a single best of breed and try to couple with them tightly to produce best results out of box i.e. our developers will focus on one particular cart I'd say take a look at OSC again, and if you remember what you found evil about it, can you let me know please? but we will be open to working with all of them same goes with POS systems Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-86-17.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.5 -- Are we there yet?" I'm getting ready to use it for a store :) currently our POS of choice is lanePOS though im interested in grib's stuff revDeke: so lanepos works pretty well? since he has been here a while it might be a good fit jcater: can speak about lanepos i think it was matter of best db schema + easiest to get up and running and 'tweak' yeah mainly latter out of the dozen or so evaluated we had several custom needs as this was a used book store of course the biggest thing with pos is 95% of them are java I had lanepos up and customized in a week or so and it wasn't java and well that pretty much rules it out in our mind :) a big no-no for me Action: revDeke notes im pretty sure what you guys are doing is java, but still am interested in getting it workign with gnue as not everyone is allegeric to java like us python freaks Action: jcater was running this on older hardware and, um, I don't think java would even look at it :) revDeke: yep, the POS part (front end) is java. drochaid: i might be thinking of open commerce or open desk hmm grr it bothers me i kind find who im thinking of rofl google + gnue is like searching our logs http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=opendesk+gnue productes OpenSales thats who i was thinking of :) is opensales still around? I thought they bit it when the bubble popped look at opendesk now, that pretty much is what it looks like grib: what is funny is i argued this one alot with linas he seemed hell bent that ASP was the wave of the future and that opensales had it right reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "When all else fails, read the instructions" well, i've been looking at the big-iron IT providers in the car dealership business lately what's the administrative technolgy center? and they *are* moving in that direction technology even tho I can't imagine why, it's not that great an idea IMO. grib: smartworker seems gone whether opensales became opendesk or not im not sure chillywilly: management-babble for "the computer guys" heheh ll lol ------------------------------------------------------------ > "Bother," said Pooh as he struggled with sendmail.cf. > "It never does quite what I want." > "I wish Christopher Robin were here.". > ------------------------------------------------------------ "Well," said the wise owl, "Have you tried Postfix?" s/owl/Owl whooo, whhooooo, whoooo , whooooo I prefer Exim! well, same difference :) s/Postfix/Exim pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ol' buddy bear grib: even a smart man can be suckered the people i have dealt with wont touch an ASP pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) joined #gnuenterprise. those that are considering it i can run 3 - 5 questions by them and they go NO WAY they contact teh ASP person and all the fears are confirmed and they are like HOW COME NO ONE TOLD ME THAT? i.e. ASP relationships i think are a sham only the smallest business or those 'duped' considered it hello Action: revDeke would love the ASP model to be a good one as it would be nice for developers the truth is its just bad for consumers :( it is very bad Great Plains tried to convince our CFO to do ASP ASP model? well, our local GP dealer application service providers? the CFO found out what that entailed and basically told them to fsck off one would have to be nuts, esp with fiscal financial data they want you to store your data on their machines? yeah but don't worry they have security in place HAHA HEH jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. dtm ([YdUiiN5Ft@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) got netsplit. dtm ([f6I3lHFYw@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dtm: yo herrow dtm ([f6I3lHFYw@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) got netsplit. dtm ([f6I3lHFYw@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. hi dtm heh heh IT'S ASH! It's me! :-) ITS YOU !! WHAT HAPPEN SOMEBODY SET UP US THE NETSPLIT dtm ([f6I3lHFYw@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: "[x]chat" dtm ([zZ+Q2kzEP@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly smacks dtm around some for good measure WHAT YOU SAY!!! yay!@#% HA HA HA HA !! heh heh it's always great to be around you psychotic freaks :) don't make us whip you ajmitch Action: ajmitch yawns Action: chillywilly trout slaps ajmitch awake Action: ajmitch sighs show some respect hey if I'm not gonna get any there is no way anyone else is you don't get respect because you show none oh plz you give me crap all the time never! how dare you besmirch my impeccable character! pfft Ash (~amathews@166.70.121.2) left irc: "hail satan" Nick change: SachaS_away -> SachaS hail satan? wtf? IsoosI (dahoose@port-219-88-246-177.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: Mr_You is back. just some observations.. I actually think the ASP model is going to go the way of "computing on demand" like IBM is really pushing. what does that mean? let me think about it ;-) hey dewd I guess, what I'm trying to say.. they are having a story on scifi channel about Roswell I know, and I don't have Scfi :-((((( supposedly they have some evidence bah bah? I was sharing in your frstrations I guess, what I'm trying to say is that the "computing on demand" model that IBM and other companies are shooting for for large businesses is a glorified ASP.. lemme stream it over the net ;) (I wish) (I just asked someone to record it and put it online we'll see like this, I see future ASPs putting a box or software on your network that automagically connects and does distributing computing with a network of boxes. thats pretty much how "computing on demand" works. in the vision of the future sense ;-) well I gotta run bbl BTW, I've almost got my ssic-linux.sf.net cluster running ;-) with debian. will let others check it out when its done, possibly. bbl Action: Mr_You & why do I need their box? box envy? box or software I said some companies prefer to include a computer with their product/software. tho I can't recall the name of them off the top of my head.. usually they are running SCO ick I dunno if "demand" computing is goin to catch on either it's iffy if you ask me I think it will.. cause companies would rather not shell out $250k for a Sun ES5500 for some situations who says they need such things? big companies do how about a cluster of gnu/linux boxes ;) thats a whole other battle ;-) Remosi (dahoose@port-219-88-247-222.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) well, really going this time, bbl Action: Mr_You & jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" killall -9 Mr_You Ash (~amathews@12-254-182-146.client.attbi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: derek is back (gone 10:39:42) wb derek btw: i agree 100% on the local ASP it gets rid of all the ASP problems w/ all the benefits i could totally see a GNUe Appliance Server that gets dropped in you run a little utility on the clients and voila you are off and running but thats not an ASP thats what they call a 'turnkey' been around for years and like unix and terminals it will come back in style :) grrr slow internet is the death of me i cant handle this KeithJagrs (jorgre@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. why is it so slow? hello when you put it that way derek I get it hi KeithJagrs hi chillywilly man i dont know i think their edge router is freaking out the ISPs? the dish company remember i have wireless the problem is severe packet loss you can't get cable or DSL? ugh some apps do ok with this others (like cvs handle it like crap) imap mail is one of them :( i can get cable but until this last week i had NO problems for 2 years so didnt want to 'fuss' with changing then why don't you? now looks like i will be forced to i just canceled cable cause i hate the cable company so bad yo can have more symmetric bandwidt yeah but cox cuts uplink to like 128 and they change your ip address like every hour or something insane all sorts of people on lug fight it and hate it jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. gack cable modem is 44.95 + 15.00 for modem rental per month thats 15 more than i pay now! plus 100 install grrrr the cable company here is SO over priced wow bend over man ;) I think my modem was free for digital cable + hbo it was 67.00 a month 2 tvs and free installation i finally switched to dish network and free for 3 months you gotta get it when they got a deal going like that at same stuff is like 40/month plus i get free pvr services again thats why i hate cox Jason broke cvs ;) they have digital phone which is cheaper than phone company and i think would get me 10 off cable net a month i might have to switch the phone cool Action: jcater would love to have that cable price, dude :) err, well, I guess that's our price too we don't have the option to rent modem or not of coures, I would *never* buy a cable modem Action: jcater has gone thru 3 in 4 years chillywilly: I warned people in the mailing lists I know I read it just doing my best in stating the obvious ;) in that case job well done derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) that's probably the only complement I'll ever get fomr the likes of you from drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-210.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) KeithJagrs (jorgre@63.74.24.9) left irc: "later" hmm is there any docs about how to use GNUe Reports? umm the source? ;) as good as any I Guess :) fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) derek: extend that processing power of the appliance out to another data center and multiple machines and you have your ASP ;-) and computing on demand. --- Sat Nov 23 2002