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<ajmitch> hi
<psu> hi ajmitch
<psu> bye ajmitch ;-\
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<Arturas> Hello
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<ra3vat_> hello Arturas
<Arturas> hi Dmitry :)
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<Arturas> bye
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<derek> hey man who messed up cvs
<derek> its totally borked
<derek> j/k
<derek> ;)
Action: jcater bit^Wtrout slaps derek
<jamest> man, I know #gnuenterprise answers dang never any type of question
<jamest> but how about this one
<jamest> my son (12) needs to do assignments for school on the computer (requirement) however they don't teach them typing
<jamest> hunt n peck is killing his speed
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<jamest> so anyone have good 12 year old boy focused typing software
<jcater> free?
<jamest> I'd have him code on gnue but he seems to lose interest pretty quick
<jcater> or otherwise?
<jamest> cost isn't really too much an issue here
<jcater> dude, all my friends children learned with Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing
<jcater> they rave about it
<jcater> We even set it up for some people at work
<jcater> as their typing was atrocious
<jamest> i thought that targeted adults
<derek> honestly
<derek> have you tried tuxtype?
Action: jcater hasn't used it though
<derek> debian
<derek> er
<derek> debian->games->arcade->tuxtyping
<derek> from debian menu
<derek> it requires decent hardware as it a GL game
<derek> but it rocks
<derek> for teaching kids to type better
<derek> gtypist is good for drills
<derek> tuxtyping
<jamest> that's cool for here but he is at home on a p-233/win95 system
<jamest> that I built the kids years ago
<derek> gack
<derek> you make your kid use windows
<derek> and you are only worried about his typing?
<jamest> it was the only way to keep people like you away from them
<derek> apt-get install debianjr*
<derek> er
<derek> apt-get install junior-*
<derek> and let them have at it
<jamest> "pssst, hey kid.  I gotz some free software for you."
<jamest> <4 weeks late>
<jamest> "not until you's commits some code will you getz yer updates"
<derek> if you buy something
<derek> http://www.runrev.com/tenthumbs/index.shtml
<derek> it runs on windows and linux
<jamest> so does tuxtype
<derek> sos at least when your kid gets old enough to realize dad screwed him by putting on windows
<derek> jamest: cool
Action: jamest is wondering if she'll run on a p-233
Action: derek thought it might be python and sdl/opengl
<derek> jamest: its really slow unless you have good video
<derek> i.e. video is probably more important that processor
<jamest> i spent a buttload on that system
<jamest> and I think i'd get hurt if I upgraded what is now the ex's home computer
<derek> rofl
<derek> jamest: sometimes i wonder how you can be so smart yet be so dense....
<derek> you see you need to 'upgrade' the home pc so lindsay has the latest and greatest
<derek> and instead of 'stockpiling' the boxes in the office
<derek> you have decided to just kick down the old one to the kids
<jamest> lol
<jamest> i would but the problem is
Action: derek notes if its like my house it wont matter as such a gesture will be seen as you are trying to get latest and greatest for yourself and ....
<jamest> ash.gnuenterprise.org
<derek> offering to the wife is just offensive
<jamest> i slurped my last faster cpu
<jamest> my home file/db server is a p233 already 
<reinhard> sorry to ask this here
<reinhard> it's quite offtopic and i don't want to offend anyone
<reinhard> they said in the news yesterday here
<reinhard> that 7 out of 8 u.s. americans aren't able to find iraq on a world map
<derek> um wow
<derek> i would say 7.8 out 8
<reinhard> really?
<derek> i would likely get it wrong and i know geography fairly well
<jamest> i think it's south of beverly hills 90201 isnt' it?
<reinhard> jamest: lol
<derek> i would say that 7.8 out of 8 couldnt get it on a map
<derek> and that 5 out of 9 could even get the proximity right
<derek> i could at least point and say its one of these 3 or 4 countries
<jamest> dude
<derek> i get iraq/iran etc all flipped around but i know where they are
<jcater> reinhard: the US is very geo-centric
<jcater> geography isn't a priority in schools
<derek> reinhard: put it this way 9 of 10 americans couldnt list all 50 states
<jcater> as everything revolves around us
<jamest> there was a stufy once that said like 1 in 10 US high school graduates couldn't find the US on an unmarked globe
<jcater> didn't you know that?
<jcater> :)
<derek> and 9.5 could list all the capitals give n the states
<derek> er s/could/couldnt
<reinhard> well
<reinhard> now just a hint then
<jamest> derek: i can't list all the capitals
<derek> jamest i could come close
<reinhard> iraq is the country that's approximately shaped like the spot on monica levinski's dress
<derek> but likely would fail
<reinhard> ;-)
<reinhard> j/k
<derek> reinhard: rofl
<derek> reinhard: here in the states the talkshow hosts (jay leno/david letterman)
<derek> regularly put people out on the street to ask questions like what you are saying
<derek> and they get the funniest answers
<derek> like thtey will show a picture of the vice president (current) and ask 'who is this'
<derek> and people say the funniest responses
<derek> as they have no clue
<jamest> we have a vice president?
<jamest> COOL!
<reinhard> jamest: rofl
<jcater> jamest: no
<jcater> since January
<jcater> we've had a Dictator and his Assistant
<jcater> oh, plus Dubya
<jcater> but he's for show
<derek> i liked it better when hillary was president
<derek> er i mean bill
<jcater> so did I
<jcater> but I digress
<derek> i cant get anything done today it pisses me off between teenagers and my own kids and chores
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<derek> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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<ra3vat_> jcater: what explicitfields datasource attribute for?
<derek> wreaking havoc?
<derek> death, destruction, mass confusion?
<ra3vat_> brb
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<ra3vat_> back
<derek> in 
<derek> black
<ra3vat_> derek: i'm not follow :)
<KeithJagrs> hello
<derek> ra3vat_: its an old ac/dc song
<derek> 'back in black'
<KeithJagrs> I'm listening Sultans of Swing
<KeithJagrs> by Dire Straits
<derek> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/1346/acdc002.html#BIB
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<KeithJagrs> hmmmm. Kernel Cousin isnt out yet
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<ajmitch> IsoosI!
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<reinhard> oops
<reinhard> we even have a file geasAuthentification.py in the appserver directory
<reinhard> nobody ever told us poor German-speakers that this is not a proper English word
<reinhard> night all
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<jamest> derek: tuxtype was a huge hit w/ the kids
<jcater> great!
<jcater> now if you can just get them hooked on python and emacs (or vi)
<jcater> we'll be set
<jamest> :)
<warmfuzzy> hello
<jcater> howdy warmfuzzy
<IsoosI> hmm
<IsoosI> people talking about security of a python script
<IsoosI> you guys do realise there is rexec?
<IsoosI> it lets you create a python "sub environment" from python where you can select what they can access from within it
<jcater> IsoosI: we're talking about python security?
<IsoosI> eg, the sample doesn't allow anyone to read/write files except from certain directories
<IsoosI> well
<jcater> yeah, I'm familiar w/ rexec and bastioning classes
<IsoosI> Security of stuff in the AppServer
<IsoosI> from the KC
<jcater> I've been meaning to play w/it some more
<jcater> oh
<jcater> that
Action: jcater won't go there
<IsoosI> Did I miss something critical here?
<jcater> yeah, we want to look at some of those bastioning things for our client-side triggers
<IsoosI> you going to d/l triggers from the the app server to the client's?
<jcater> I'm not sure if triggers will be downloaded from the app server or just run via the appserver
Action: jcater works mostly in 2-tier stuff
<IsoosI> I've never really had much experience with n-tier where n>2
<IsoosI> except that one time for an assignment where I got told I'd just implemented corba
<jcater> :)
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<derek> jcater: i know you were kidding but there is a good program called dr. scheme
<jcater> kidding about what?
<derek> <jamest> derek: tuxtype was a huge hit w/ the kids
<derek> <jcater> great!
<derek> <jcater> now if you can just get them hooked on python and emacs (or vi)
<derek> dr. scheme is a kids game that teaches scheme programming
Action: jcater wasn't kiddingh
<jcater> but dude
<jcater> that's just plain sick
<jcater> teaching a kid functional programming so early on
<jcater> you pervert
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<derek> jamest: kids should like frozenbubble and tuxracer too
<IsoosI> oooh, KC mentions possible access convertion!
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<Mr_You> I gotta rebuild someones PC, she has 4 year old twins, will look for some edutainment for them
<derek> brb getting new ip address
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<warmfuzzy> Anyone here that can talk to a total newbie?
<jamest> i can some
<jamest> but i'm in and out the room 
<warmfuzzy> I can live with that.
<warmfuzzy> I need suggestions on a basic setup hardware wise to test this software out
<jamest> what's your platform?
<warmfuzzy> I'm hoping it will be Linux
<jamest> we're pretty heavy into debian in here
<jamest> but any linux should be fine on about any hardware
<jcater> warmfuzzy: I run my demos (and a basic development setup) on a 233Mhz laptop w/32Mb ram
<warmfuzzy> So just throw it onto a computer by itself?
<jamest> that's missing about 3/4 of the screws that hold it together 
<jcater> lol
<jcater> you remember :)
<jamest> well, depends
<jamest> if you're running appserver then i wouldn't hook it into my production database
<jamest> the only reason I say that is that I'm personally not sure were appserver is at stability wize
<warmfuzzy> So the trick is how to organize client and server? 
<jamest> it should be fine but i have no personal history of using it
<jamest> it can all run on the same system
<warmfuzzy> I'm sure I'm stating the obvious but I'm also new to IRC so please be patient
<warmfuzzy> So I can set up a database, a server and the client software all on one computer?
<jamest> yes
<warmfuzzy> Great, that will make it much easier 
<chillywilly> hey
<chillywilly> dewds
<warmfuzzy> Sorry, gotta go. I'll do a bunch of reading so I can ask better questions
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<chillywilly> I need to get rid of my "real life"
<ajmitch> hello
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> hi ajmitch
<ajmitch> see the pnet story on /. ?
<chillywilly> nope, but I saw it mentioned in the irc channel
<ajmitch> yep
<ajmitch> even got a couple more people willing to help out
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<chillywilly> hi derek
<ajmitch> hello mr neighbours ;)
<chillywilly> lemme get some clarification here fellas: gnue-sb is a strictly 2-tier thing and not final gnue right?
<jcater> it is 2-tier and is gnue
<jcater> but isn't designed to replace the packages using appserver
<jcater> it's much smaller scale than that
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> thank you for the information mr. cater
<chillywilly> :)
<jcater> we aim to please
Action: drochaid usually aims for the toilet bowl
<drochaid> "We aim to please, please try to aim"
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<derek> more than anything think of gnue-sb as 'quick development' 'no committee'
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