hey, now not in public :P Action: jbailey giggles Nothing sais stuffing like whatever the hell the pillsbury doughboy says. jbailey: is there a good way to remove spam tickets? I dunno. i'm just resolving them at the moment, don't think that's the best way Sorry - I've just found working with RT so much of a challenge that it winds up taking low priority. =( heh need to get them onto DCL :) glibc also chewing your time... I haven't used DCL. I packaged it. lol And so far I've been ignoring the bugs filed against it because I'm not happy with the packaging. it has bugs? Action: ajmitch looks There's no good policy around PHP apps, and no good policy around how to handle apps that need to setup databases. agreed Yeah, I'm not sure it's actually installable right at the moment. it somewhat sucks http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155511 <-- was this just a screwup on my end with having a leftover file from an old dcl? Dunno. That's one oft he bugs that I didn't pay close attention to. i think it may have been Well, if you happen to feel like closing your own bug, you're welcome to. =) yeah, once i see if it's my fault :) Bah! ;) Action: ajmitch just going to reply to a 2-week old request for account reactivation :) ah so if I request one now you can tell me in 2 weeks that is already works, dufus ? You need a GNU maintainer to vouch for you. That's not likely to happen, is it? =) :) jcater: i just have to get around to going thru the list :) haha Action: jcater doesn't even know what accounts y'all are talking about jcater: gnu.org shell accounts ah you alreayd got one, right? yeag yeah It's pretty bad when you starting wishing php had threads, isn't it? =) unfortunately rofl next step: Visual PHPO err PHP Action: ajmitch runs away screaming PHP has Gtk. =) jcater: you have a jcater@gnu.org mail address? ajmitch: don't think so or just a subversions/savannah login? right subversions/savannah Home time. g'night all! nite night jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" how would one get an @gnu.org address? talk to jbailey or myself ;) oh, ok or accounts@gnu.org hey ajmitch! yes jcater?? hook me up, bro! :) rules are you send me a sshv2 public key in a mail, signed with your gpg key :) for email? yeah, i think so hmm well, since it's a shell account Action: ajmitch hasn't got onto setting up mail-only accounts at the moment ;) ajmitch: sent! 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Action: ajmitch runs Action: jcater is away: not here chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: psu is getting reinhard's new whitepaper onto website reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. ..just before reinhard actually arrives Action: psu has invented a new game for Debian CD users - Dependancy Roulette aim is to find the single package to install that will require you to use all 7 CDs if you accept the default depends lol Action: psu thinks he may have just won this game w/o even trying now then 0.4.1.99 prereleases should these be announced on the website? Action: psu is not sure how "public" jamest/jcater want them to be hopefully pretty public they need testing! yep just nothing to mail lists (that I've seen) wasn't sure if they were currently "not ready for prime time" Action: psu will do that crazy publicity blitz thang on website and lists btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" time for work psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("hi-ho..."). chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-38.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm Action: IsoosI pokes around, anyone alive? ello do you know anything about the appserver ? a little lurk here long enough & you pick up stuff heh I know :) Nick change: IsoosI -> ISomer Nick change: ISomer -> Isomer do you know what API (not protocol) it exports? or is it more of a "language" to specify that API in? you mean the .grpc file? gnue/appserver/grpc/GEAS.grpc I do? that's the API it exports across (mainly) XML-RPC hmm playing with Mozilla it supports SOAP from javascript yep t'was thinking about doing some DB accesses from within javascript and thinking I needed a RPC->db layer MrYou was looking at that for a web-based client and then a ten ton brick hit me in the head the GNUe folk are 2 steps ahead of you! and it had "appserver" written on it heh look in the KC from a week or 4 ago heh it had some discussion of this topic Action: ajmitch doesn't like it when the lights dim & then come back up Action: Isomer agrees computer's still running so all is well :) authentification surely thats not a word? course not :) the poor germans got duped into using it, i bet heh hmm nice API Action: Isomer ponders the practicalities of learning XSLT to convert .gprc to wsdl heh why wsdl? since mozilla speaks SOAP not XMLRPC Action: ajmitch is unsure of that ok, all the methods are "SOAP*" so if they spoke XMLRPC I'd be surprised Action: ajmitch looks up the KC MrYou seemed to think it spoke XML-RPC it perhaps does that too I mean who knows what protocols mozilla speaks http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jan/jsclient/gnue-forms.html there's already some code :) hmm, not sure just what is used there but it does seem to use some non-moz XMLRPC stuff in javascript hmm http://www.gnuenterprise.org/docs/whitepaper.html appserver whitepaper siesel (~chatzilla@xdsl-195-14-204-218.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi siesel we're just discussing javascript, SOAP, XML-RPC, and appserver :) well, if Isomer is still awake... Action: Isomer is great. does that mean anybody whats to help coding the js-client? paqan (~paqan@202.155.120.221) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Action: siesel reads the log maybe dunno heh so non-committal... hmm stand forward for your country! my todo list is longer than the southern cross after undergoing thermal expansion hehe hehe, that sounds familar :) Lets see now, near the top of my list * Fix the couple of core bugs in ircu, sometime soonish exploitable bugs? ;) nah well dang if you can reproduce them, then we can fix them ;) i see :) * Work on my pet language that I work on with a friend, who has currently done most of the work towards and is catching onto my theory that delegation is the mark of a true coder * Learn about SOAP, and implement a client side spell checker for the Wlug Wiki paqan (~paqan@202.155.120.221) joined #gnuenterprise. * Implement an IRC->Jabber proxy and so on ooh, pet language? yeah what sort of features? we keep it in a cage and feed it occasionally Action: ajmitch wonders if it's something that could be done as a compiler plugin for dotgnu's pnet Isomer: btw. appserver+xmlrpc+javascript is already quite useful. hmm siesel: yah, I was poking at it the only problem at the moment is "speed" that has lead to a rewrite of the appserver db access api. which is in progress now. :) hmm I could be ready in 5-7 hours, but .... its point 6 or 7 on my TODO list :( heh I know the feeling oh so very well :) btw. if the appserver api is ready, you can build the javascript stubs to access appserver automagically, so if you just want to use db abstraction, it would be a question of some 5 minutes :) ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel: that was what I thought :) for the javascript frontend to work we require that triggers are handled in appserver no? it depends on the trigger. IMHO there will be some client side triggers (especially for UI convienince) and some server side triggers (for data manipulation and integrity checking) hmm yeah however the client side ones are mostly written in python which the browser can't interpret? I don't think that we can port JPYTHON to javascript neither do I :) I would like to parse triggers on appserver side or when the jsform is build, and try to convert them to javascript automaticly. triggers who whod break during parsing would be replaced by a client side trigger which toggles the server side trigger ./who wod/which would/ hmm you're mad then? :) transcoding between languages is surely nasty oooh, who tripped on the string? ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection siesel (~chatzilla@xdsl-195-14-204-218.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-243-155.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hello all hello ra3vat_ hello btami ngterry (~trillian@n218103231099.netvigator.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Hi! ngterry: hi hi ngterry Hello everyone! This is my first time get in GNUe. ngterry: installed already? ngterry: welcome :) Not yet! Is the Win32 setup files .exe format stable and easy to uninstall? of course :) But I am still reading O'reilly's Learning Python and worry that I am not able to handle it. handle what ? dimas (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. the tools, since the Packages are not released. just install and try then ask here :) ngterry: what packages do you need the most? okay! Financials, I really concern the ability to Multi-currency. I have tried PeachTree and ACCPAC but not satisfied. jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-168-128.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ngterry: you can get very useful forms without much python programming hi jamest Hello! hi have you read my checkbox issues (yesterday log) ? something about Y/N? i recall something but not details and 0/1 Nick change: SachaS -> SachaS_sleep what's it doing? it always saves 0/1 into the db what db? all :) if you use a checkbox enry what is your database field type? char(1) ahhhhhhhh that would do it :) ok it doesn't regard checkboxTruf = Y gnue.conf btami: Excuse me. Should I install the tools by downloading the source files, or recommend setup-debug-on.exe? ngterry: you on windows? jamest: Yes the exe's are much much easier to get gonig however :) however ? if you're a developer and comfortable with code then source would be a better option at this time as the 0.4.2 prerelease fixed quite a few bugs but it's only available in source oooo and if you are comfortable using cvs then I'd suggest planning on trying out that toward the beginning of the year we're trying to get a native win32 ui driver for forms in there soon jamest: is it ok to have entry without field attribute inside a block? as the wx based one we have is quirky under windows ra3vat_: it should work fine wait hm I am "still: reading Oreilly's Learning Python. ra3vat_: no, i read that backwards entries are just a window to a field so with a field you couldn't do anything w/ the entry fwiw you can have multiple entries on multiple pages point to the same field btami: in 20 minutes I'm leaving to go work on the farm (seriously :) i won't have time to mess with this until tomorrow nite at the eariest :( should i move such an entry out of block? ra3vat_: ? entry that is not tied to database field jamest: ok, just please don't forget to read the yesterday log btami: ok i have to go now, bye btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: ra3vat_: you're running cvs head right? jamest: branch oooooo that changes everything I said in head entry split into entry and field in branch you can have an entry not tied to a field inside a block no problem the data obviously won't be saved but no issues at all doing it ok,i'm getting one error message. will try to look closer here's one from a form I've done x="31" y="1"/> i need to try style=label which is populated via a trigger when two entries in another block are altered (name_last and name_first) I use it to print the customer name on pages other than the one the data was entered upon style="label" just makes it readonly and look like a normal label seems i have trouble again when with F6 all blocks of the form is saved when i need one f6 has always done that unless someone changed it and how to save one block? well, you could do via a trigger and a button i think i commited some function from papo source that I think did this but I don't recall i hate to do this but I really have to run the wife is waiting on me :) l8r jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-168-128.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "[x]chat" StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-216.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all ngterry (~trillian@n218103231099.netvigator.com) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)" Action: derek is back (gone 10:54:52) happy turkey day to all the l'americans hey, I'm american, but I don't eat turkey. it's not thatnksgiving here, y'know... oh, nevermind. happy turkeys, man. ok 'north americans from united states' ;) ah, that sounds better :) hmmm, don't take me _that_ serious. dimas (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" rossg_ (~rossg@203.156.9.230) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-243-155.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. How hard are the win32 snapshots to make? I think I will need to put in a hack to change all the queries to case-insensitive and inexact. I know the sql change to make. ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jbailey: why not use 'sloppy query' mode you can by entry turn on 'sloppy query' which i think becomes case insenstive er wait i dont think it does case insensitive but it does inexect er inexact i have need for non case sensitive myself Action: derek is thinking maybe sloppy query needs to almost be 'query mask' this way you can build your own personal sloppiness ;)( derek: I would have to turn it on for all text boxes. I'm also getting eroneous search results on a text box on a second page, so Dunno what the best thing is. But we're so case inconsistant in our database. It looks like a trivial change to make it case insensitive for postgres, anyway. i think we need to do this properly i think a query mask would be nice and you could apply at any level widget block form datasource Action: derek is in position now where client will be horridly inconsistent on case That sounds horribly complicated. Instead of a simple: "Queries on this field are inexact (t/f)" but that isnt granular enough if done properly you could set anywhere from gnue.conf down to a single entry in your case you would just set in gnue.conf and neverworry again but 'inexact' isnt good enough as that isnt the same for all people i think you could make case sensistive 't/f' but not 'exactness' as it could be %v%a%l%u%e% or %value% or value% or %value Action: derek was thinking a query mask would allow the developer to decide but would be happy with at least case sensitive flag and our currently sloppy query (which i think is %v%a%l%u%e%) bbiab Action: jbailey is away: I'm busy paqan (~paqan@202.155.120.221) got netsplit. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. larsu (~rfox@dhcp024-210-203-244.woh.rr.com) got netsplit. gnuebot (~eggdrop@65.101.4.211) got netsplit. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port17.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. dtm ([zZ+Q2kzEP@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) got netsplit. gnuebot (~eggdrop@65.101.4.211) returned to #gnuenterprise. paqan (~paqan@202.155.120.221) returned to #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port17.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. larsu (~rfox@dhcp024-210-203-244.woh.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. dtm ([zZ+Q2kzEP@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by vinge.freenode.net jbailey: when you return was it you who said scanners are easy? if so maybe you can give me tips later no [11:00] Last message repeated 3 time(s). cdcovers.cc has been smacked by the RIAA and is now no longering offering CD covers Action: derek is really PISSED im actually doing LEGAL copying of my cd's for my kids so they dont ruin the originals and that site was saving me MAJOR time in having to scan the covers of my stuff grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i hate the RIAA rossg_ (~rossg@203.156.9.230) left irc: Remote closed the connection hmmm coversarchive.com seems to stsill be here gnue-reports is now in sid. It will be in the mirror pulse tonight. grrrr coversarchive was based off cdcovers.cc looks like i will have to get that scanner working I can try helping you later. I have a lunch meeting in 2 minutes. Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Client Exiting" Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) Arturas: are you using datemask anyhow? derek: what model is your scanner? ra3vat_: not now bye Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Client Exiting" beecher (beecher@websrv-atc.atcomp.cz) joined #gnuenterprise. hello beecher StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-216.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.7 -- Are we there yet?" hello ra3vat_ beecher: any questions about gnue? Sure. Is GNUe portable to Windows and if yes, how can I get on work... you can try binary build http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/current/GNUe-Tools-0.4.1-setup-debug-on.exe or install source packages, it would take a little more work Of course, but I have to install cygwin for running this. So that's problem. And what about GEAS on win2k server? you do not need anything except that setup-*.exe to taste gnue may be database somewhere someone tested appserver (geasII) under win but it is in a very early stage