ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection hi ajmitch rossg_ (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. rossg_ (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) hi psu hi ajmitch Action: psu was looking thru' the debian package archive for a decent weblog application i.e. one that sits on local PC like radio userland rather than a full remote service like blogger or livejournal can't find anything much hmm k guess it's time to write one ;) Action: psu may have to roll my own of course, if I decide to use a d/b backend for this, GNUe becomes a potentially useful framework yup "Do blog entry" form, "Publish blog entry" trigger/report etc just not sure if I might be biting off more than I can chew, however Might be easier to do some simple text file manipulation in raw python ugh, sounds in gAIM Easiest of all, of course, would be to bite the bullet and just use livejournal sleeep... write a forms frontend to one of those ones that use xml-rpc or similar interfaces chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" Actually, the main reason I want a local application is so I can put on my own website but I suppose I could just include livejournal pages in it as derek does ok some of those php apps would have xml-rpc interfaces :) Action: psu fears RPC lol why? For something that's meant to be as simple as this, it sounds over-the-top This isn't meant to be a multi-user client-server n-tier app ah right just a way of easily doing some frelling webpages ;-) hmm, I might have guessed there would be an "emacs as weblog" tool http://billstclair.com/blogmax/ of course Or, I suppose, I could d/l the livejournal server code & set it up as a local app or... or... Action: psu thinks the problem w/free software is usually the number of options rather than the reverse Of course, none of them are ever exactly what you want so you either compromise or (if you're a Not Invented Here weenie) head off to savannah to roll your own Action: ajmitch wonders how many dead projects are on SF Action: psu suspects we are in "grains of sand on the seashore" numbers I really ought to just sit down and list the features I want/need & do a proper MoSCoW analysis (Must Have, Should Have, Could Have, Would Like to Have) against what's already out there even pure CMS like slash, phpnuke and postnuke are possibles. Action: psu is away: church psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: "[x]chat" siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-205-122.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi siesel ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: Sacha_away -> SachaS ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection Nick change: SachaS -> Sacha_sleep siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-205-122.netcologne.de) left #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-205-122.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. crap sid has gone to hell in a hand basket evolution broked go to file bug report and reportbug is broked rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) ngterry (~trillian@n218103231099.netvigator.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ngterry (~trillian@n218103231099.netvigator.com) left irc: Client Quit somebody tell derek that sid is *UNSTABLE* rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: Remote closed the connection rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard hi siesel jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). reinhard_ (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard_ (~reinhard@M693P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There are two types of people: those who divide people into two types, and those who don't" jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-168-128.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi derek hey is there a way to 'downgrade' debian? not safely :) from say sid to sarge as sid is HORRIBLY jacked right now download woody cd, reformat, and start over :) ouch jcater : sigh what's wrong with sid? i wanted to get a concert recorded yesterday (big mistake) apt-get install 3 packages derek: I was joking... I have no experience downgrading and it broke the previously working program but I can imagine it'd be damn hard so figured it was 'dependency' issue so apt-get upgrade and 230+ packages need upgrade so i do it and the previous program works (yeah) uh oh but this mornign try evolution and it dies horribly go to file a bug report and it tells me get newest package so i do and it still fries so i go to file a bug report and reportbug segfaults [09:37:58] --- Topic for #debian is /msg the bots, NOT the people, flood in #flood not here || http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ || for recent {testing,unstable} problems /msg apt news #debian (za) || /msg apt releases || Debian World Domination! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/ (foo) || DO NOT USE UNSTABLE (SID) unless you know how to use dpkg (greycat) Action: ajmitch wonders at that last item :) sid is supposed bo be horked. i'm running sid with no problems at the moment even rebooted yesterday go to church try to run powerpoint and X no longer likes to switch :( ajmitch: i advise not to upgrade :) I'm runnig sid, but I haven't upgraded in a few weeks nickr: i expect sid to be horked derek: there's nothing important to upgrade to i just didnt expect so much to be horked at one time :) midrelease transition cycle it had been working so well for so long i was loving it perhaps i'm just lucky Action: derek only went to sid cause woody didnt have some stuff i needed and sarge was more horked than sid and still getting 50% plus packet loss from my broadband provider all the stuff that apt-get reports needs upgraded is mozilla related or other crap Action: derek wishes reportbug was functioning functions here where does it segfault? maybe it's not broken for me because i rebooted ;) I've not upgraded because of the stupid gnome transition ah, i run garnome anyway nickr: i think thats what is killing me gnome transition possibly Action: derek wonders how to file bugs against reportbug when reportbug is broked : 0 the oldfashioned way, duh I've never used reportbug in my life if the answer is email or 'web' then no Uh if the answer is 'telephone' ok Uh. you'll use reportbug, but not email, even though reportbug uses email? yip i refuse to use something that is inefficient that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say raw email gives me no way to see what other bugs are filed heh and makes for duplicate bugs Uh. that's why there's a purty web interface on bugs.debian.org and thus lessens effectiviness of getting bugs fixed i would rather not file a bug the reason i like reportbug is that it gives me a highly usable way to search 'existing' bugs Its very hard not to say rude things in hte face of such ignorance. :) ajmitch: the web interface to debian bug tracking sucks ALMOST as bad as bugzilla nickr: if email provides me EASILY a way to QUICKLY get a listing of all bugs on a package that's not humanly possible im cool with email Action: derek doesnt know how to do that (ignorance) if the answer is go look on the web I don't see how its difficult to type the name of the package into the search box and get all the bufs for it i say pffft... the interface is horrid i don't see how its difficult or confusing There is no interface, its just a list of bugs! i think that the interface is very simple especially if you're using galeon :) nickr: besides having tot fire up a beast of a browser its not my fault you use a beast of a browser. and use stateless shit called a web application dude. wtf ever. Suffer. nickr (~panphage@e-64-35-146-236.empnet.net) left #gnuenterprise. and the fact that half the time it times out or goes to wrong place nickr: i suppose i could use lynx but lynx is a horrid interface as well :( if i could do something like you've chased him away bug-request-packagename@debian.org guess my idiocy frustrated him too much Action: derek finds it funny that having to run a webbrowser should be a requirement to filing bugs yeah you could just use querybts btw: now reportbug isnt segfaulting querybts is a nice, simple command line app that lists bugs for a package reportbug worked and bug is now submitted what package? jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. hello jbailey Heya Andrew. I got my first bug on designer, and it's packaging bug. *sigh* I wish there was a way to autodetect the python dependancies for the modules like there is for libraries. yeah Hmm. It would be Yet Another Thing on my todo list, But to hack python to include a --trace feature. So then you run the python compiler over your code, and it should know from that which other files got called in. For there, the rest of the shlibdeps calculation is easy. It's just the emulation of objdump / ldd that's hard. hmm not hard to wrap the import statement to track what is included Hmm. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Are they always done trhough 'import' statmements? hello chillywilly If that's the case then it should be easy enough to run over everything with awk. =) Hey Dan. jbailey: or the equivalent __import__ hello how's it going fellas? jbailey: in our code grep for import since you can pass a variable :) or dor dyn_import dyn_import is cool jcater: Well, it would be nice to write the module generically for all python code. jcater: That way it could be submitted upstream and I wouldn't have to maintain it. =) (upstream, like to debhelper) ah yeah, dyn_import works ok Most of my bugs so far have been forgotten modules (wxgtk2.[23], xml, etc) yeah evolution works now apt-get upgrade fixed it libgtkhtml20 was problem evolution sucks ;) yeah... sucks resources :) give me text email or give me death! pine rules! :) chillywilly: i cant find good free text mail client Action: derek likes pine a lot mutt but it isnt free mutt is better than pine, imho and mutt, well its ui leaves a lot to be desired i would like it if i took time to get used to it but i have to support evolution so its good to eat own dog food who uses evolution? erm, that you have to support it johannes_ (~johannes@M693P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) at work? wife johannes_ (~johannes@M693P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hrrrm I still don't see what is so great about it? is it the calendaring cause I sue as hell could do without html email er, sure most html email I get is spam chillywilly: honestly whats great about it, is it looks like outlook I use evolution. =) this made the transistion for my wife seamless but I think I got ridiculed for that already a few days ago. i know its silly but when you support other people sometimes transition pain is far greater than ANYTHING else ask jamest :) yea, well it took me a while to get used to emacs too and why he has desktops that still have word perfect like 3.0 ;) so I can relate I had to try it several times er to switch that is I'm happy that my life is mostly emacs-free now. I started my quest to eliminate it about 6 months back. And now I only use it when I'm programming on other machines (so that I can't get an X session of anjuta up) anjuta? Action: derek would ike to break my emacs fetish except for remote machine file editing i.e. no X derek: what's wrong with cat > filename? why do yo want to get rid of emacs? works on most machines derek: Anjuta is a gnome-based IDE. even works in some form under DOS It's got most of the major functions of emacs: CVS capabilities, Syntax Highlighting, run window, etc. chillywilly: emacs is a beast :) It's also threaded, so it's not pig slow. derek: naaaah Two feature that I really like it for: anjta has emacs key bindings? 1) The ability to colapse blocks - So that if it notices a braced section (or an indented section when you're in python mode), you can click a little '-' to make that section go away so you don't have to look at it. anyone have gtetrinet installed ans want to try to see if they can connect to my server? chillywilly: Yes. I use the gnome bindings, though - That was part of my irritation was having to remember which key bindings to use depending on which window I was in. 2) The ability to take a whole bunch of loaded files and save a "project", so when you want all those files open again, you just have to open the project. I think emacs will let me do that GNUe Designer's code editor does 1 :) (With 2 in the works) it can remember which buffers I have open, iirc jcater: sounds excellent so no one has gtetrinet installed? does it have emacs keybindings chillywilly: i have it installed try to connect to libertyetech.com i won't give in to bunny like that ;) she's connected to it now so I dunno wtf her problem was http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/screenshots/designer-docks.png chillywilly: spectator password? :) ummm, I'm not sure one is set ;) hmm I just compiled and ran the bugger and left the stock config it doesn't let me connect as spectator without one jcater: Is that the new 1.5 designer? ajmitch: no spectators! ;) bah I couldn't connect as spectator to bunny's server either Action: ajmitch closes gtetrinet 0.5 designer not quite 1.5 0.5, yeah. :) What you said. =) What are the plans for native UIs for designer? It didn't look like it had the UI broken out the way forms does. none afaik :) since you'd be duplicating too much functionality in each UI driver yeah, I'm somewhat tied to wx for designer I'd like to do UI independence but like ajmitch said it's not like forms so much would have to be rewritten for each gui you'd essentially need to write your own toolkit abstraction (like wx) No worries My end users don't have to see designer. =) And it wouldn't be so bad if it weren't... quirky. blame the coders blame the goats Yeah well. Since the amount of effort I'm willing to put into fixing wx is exactly 0. =) that's what I do... blame the goats somewhere between zero & nil? Exactly 0. I checked. =) i find it easier to blame chillywilly, actually zero means there is no quantity, while nil means there is nothing :-) Zaphod: How many guns are there in the cabinet? Ford: Did you *count* them? Zaphod: Twice! yes plz blame chillywilly ok it was chillywilly's fault I blame the old andrews from NZ it's their fault even Designer (which wasn't even started yet) yup yea, it's all their fault those guys were crazy jcater: I'm just looking at your designer screen shot - It looks like almost a straight ripoff of parts of anjuta. =0 That means I'll probably like it. =) all the tool panels are repositionably or, can even be made free floating that's just my particular arrangement Action: jcater has never used anjuta MDI? :) That's what it looks like. sounds kind of like eclipse perspectives no, it's GNUe Designer I find that really handy because with the dual monitor setup at work, I put all the auxillary panels off to one side, and maximize my coding window. :) I know, but it seems similar to eclipse let's see I've heard, i need another monitor for that :) 1. It's almost like Delphi 4+ 2. It's like anjunda 3. It's like Eclipse um Action: jcater has heard others but I forget them :) they're all the same :) 4. it's like cat > file it's emacs! jcater: i was trying to use custom login, have couple of questions i took example in 0005.txt technote results = cursor.execute ( 'select 1 from users where username=%s and password=%s', (loginData['_username'], loginData['_password']) ) if not results.fetchone(): results.fetchone() does not work here while cursor.fetchone() does rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" ok is it required to return loginData? I believe so how would you suggest to save user name he authenticated with to use it later from trigger? something additional to loginData? ok, that my correction was not wrong ra3vat_: the example could very well be incorrect that was an example of how it might be done not an actual cut-n-paste from working code if the example is wrong, though, we should fix please correct that with results.fetchone() ok and does [common] block implemented in gnue.conf? as it referred to put ImportPath there right I'm gone. C'yall tommorow or something. dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: "Client Exiting" i was only able to use ImportPath from [forms] section with these small correction example would be very helpful jcater: what about saving authentication name? put something like loginData['authname']? fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat_: the idea is to add a getAuthenticatedUser() call to the trigger namespace siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-205-122.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) siesel (~jan@xdsl-213-168-111-103.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: can you add just a stub for that where it belongs? ra3vat_: I'm adding the actual function right now Action: ra3vat_ is preparing his editor again ra3vat_: are you using 0.4.x branch, or cvs head? branch ok, let be backport to 0.4.x and it'll be ready it'll be form.getAuthenticatedUser() ok, give it a shot it works in 0.5 and I backported to 0.4.2 bbiaf siesel (~jan@xdsl-213-168-111-103.netcologne.de) left irc: "Client Exiting" bbiaf = be back immediately after feasting (jcater style) close enough :) # Ask the UI to prompt for our login data loginData.update(self._loginHandler.getLogin( [connection_name, self.getConnectionParameter(connection_name,'comment',''), dataObject.getLoginFields()], errortext)) why in this code you do not use authenticator.getLoginFields(dataObject.getLoginFields())? fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "later.." jcater: thanks fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: Sacha_sleep -> SachaS Action: derek is away: movies fixe (sfad@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Action: derek is back (gone 00:15:31) mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi mdean derek! sup? trying to get gnome2 working on debian doh! easy enough apt-get remove gnome2 tard derek: are you running sid? apt-get install gnome doesn't work? chillywilly: yeah looks as though jbailey had the answer debfoster -u gnome chillywilly: i did apt-get upgrade this morning no gnome2 debfoster -u gnome does show all new gnome stuff what's debfoster? i think its a flag thing the packger says use apt-get install -t expiremental gnome to get get it to install hmmm testing? cause all the gnome 2 stuff is available in sid Packers clinched the division today a packager to upgrade only what you want and install only what you want