joy joy joy DB000: gnue.common.GConnections.NotFoundError: The connections file does not contain a definition DB000: for "gnue". DB000: DB000: File: dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/reports/samples/foobulations$ Action: derek is assuming no connections.conf was created either did you do the connections file? no as it should be in /etc/gnue too how that didnt get filed yet is beyond me Action: derek is more curious as to whether thats a 'common' bug i hope jbailey will talk to me after this bug submitting marathon :) given our current packaging/setup structure, that would be common, not reports as all those are in common/etc technically (and hopefully soon) report-filters.conf will be moved to reports/etc doh i filed it against reports the report-filter.conf and the connections.conf against common yummy common has bugs filed against it already ... cool where do you see these? i like this one gnue 0.3.0 is available since Jun 3 2002. Please upgrade the debian packages to allow easy experimentation... Thanks, Matthijs Melchior. lol ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port7.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jcater: i use reportbug packagename but nickr left and never came back :( when i said it was the one true way you bastard! you killed nickr! (in my best kenny voice) Action: derek didnt mean to offend him that badly Action: derek misses nickr :( we need to define a standard tagset for reports ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port7.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: yeah that was going to be my next question if i can ever finish filing bug reports :) derek: well if you'd use a real bug tracker (i.e., web app) this wouldn't take so long Action: jcater hides ok now that i've noticed that my connection dropped, i'm back rofl jcater: do i 'dare' ask what the following debug message means? DB000: DB000: Oh yeah.....I can feel it rofl that's jamest testing ok, is there a quickie guide for learning reports? :) if you look at the .grd file you'll notice an On-Exit trigger or something with a print statement iirc ah ajmitch: reports/samples/* heh reports/src/* i still like his VERY old master/detail message he forgot about and #gnuenterprise ok that said something like 'if you get this message something is seriously wrong' of course i could regularly produce that message ;) lol the papo guys were playing around w/the datasource code, and triggered a hidden one like that "You've got your foo in my bar, and your bar in my foo" or something like that actually taht might be one of ones im thinking about ajmitch: gnue-reports --help is actually helpful jcater: speaking of whcih we need to change those from 'send bug reports to info@gnue.org' to reports-support@gnuenterprise.org or whatever it is probably ra3vat_: did anyone answer your question about Pre-Modify ?? if not, Pre-Modify is called once for each modified record, right after it is modified e.g., I navigate to a record, and modify a field, then Pre-Modify is called but it wouldn't be called if I change another field in the same record as at that point, the record is already "modified" if that makes sense dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/reports/samples/foobulations$ gnue-reports --list-filters GNUe Reports Client Version 0.1.0.99 GNUe Common Version 0.4.1.99 Error: No Report Definition File Specified. For help, type: gnue-reports --help dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/reports/samples/foobulations$ derek: filters are based on the type of report so it takes a report file and tells you the valid filters for it ok did simple options go away? ? simple options? -d doesnt seem to work do i need --destination -d better work or -d= -d myfile.txt should work what's it doing? my bad i did -d myfile.html AFTER monthly.grd not before it ah yeah anything after the report name is treated as a parameter err Oh yeah.....I can feel it runtime parameter pair Error [code:4] cannot open file '/usr/share/gnue/filters/SimpleTabulation/html.xsl' dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/reports/samples/foobulations$ looks like another file missed gack oooo gack? yeah gack more missed files what does /usr/share/gnue/filters look like? ok Action: derek thought maybe i was doing something wrong there is NO /filters oh lots of missed files then dude dneighbo@latitude:/usr/share/gnue$ ls images translations dneighbo@latitude:/usr/share/gnue$ can you do me a fav dpkg -L gnue-reports and email that to me or msg me Action: jcater is curious before you file that bug report I might see more examples of missing files sure its kind of fun to beat on packaging, as its fun to file bug reports (yes im sick) and even more fun when its not beating you and jamest up for once :) lol geeze how long will it take you to upload such a large listing, though at 300B/m ? derek: you have gnue-forms-wxgtk on that machine? if so try gnue-reports -u wx monthly.grd not long not many files btw: msg'ing cause imap mail is TOO painful to load right now (assuming you don't have autologin setup) let me file bug first :) jsalaud (~jsalaud@dsl-228-109.ipns.com) joined #gnuenterprise. err that should be -U wx, not -u wx when you get around to that Hello!...newbie here! howdy Would someone be willing to answer a gnueForms question? Sorry if this is the wrong place/time...you could direct me elsewhere. its right place, right time Thanks...I have compiled wxWindows and wxPython under darwin...I believe..successfuly. jcater: it 'kind of' worked derek: ? jcater: it popped a box for login then spit to raw output Action: derek thinks that might be desired result as i passed no output filters or destination ah I can see a testform (hellworld) but I cannot interact with it. but not sure if it was supposed to prompt for those or not derek: not yet currently only does login stuff jcater: in that case it works :) Any ideas?...not really familliar with python wxwindows. but before next release, it should prompt for destination, filters, etc jsalaud: can you try intro.gfd instead? I don't remember what helloworld does it may not be too interactive helloworld is probably REALLY old derek: we should probably delete helloworld I see no use for it as to me, intro.gfd is our new "first" form Yes...I will, I will be back...thankyou for your help...(trying intro.gfd). mar 31 2002 i think is darwin the OS X layer? Action: jcater forgets yeah i think so Yes... cool its definitely an OS X thing, what part i couldnt tell you for sure :) i think its the BSD part and Cocoa (sp) is the gui part I actually like computing again...now that I've got OSX running...changed my life.. :) Action: jcater has been meaning to check out OS X for the wife Where is intro.gfd in the distro? debian unstable gnome2 transition, its changed my life :( emphasis on the :( ;) although I almost have her hooked on KDE jcater: dont go to OS X make KDE look like OS X instead OS X could kill the free software movement (seriously) jsalaud: should be under forms/samples/intro/intro.gfd nevermind...found it. I understand..the objection to killing the free software movement...really. I don't want that to happen.. I wan't to see gnuentreprise run everywhere :) we do too :) SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-215.wasp.net.au) left irc: No route to host Running intro.gfd now. jsalaud: just out of curiosity, are you running the last release, or running against a cvs copy? Last release. ok So..I ran intro.gfd...I can see the form...but I can type in any input boxes. oh bother totally. hmm The form is too tall as well. jsalaud: the killing freesoftware comment was not marked as insult against you Can't move the window or size it or anything. rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: derek didnt mean to imply those using OS X were out to kill free software that can be remedied by adding pointSize=11 to the [forms] section of gnue/etc/gnue.conf hmm No insult taken...I would run Debian if Aqua would run on top of it....these windows are too damn sexy for words. rather mass adoption of OS X could hurt more than help things :) is this wxMac or wxGTK you are running? do you know? wxMac... ah crap jcater: someone else had this problem on wxMac the not being able to 'interact' properly I have Xwindows installed though. derek: unfortunately, I have no mac to test against :( I wish I had the first clue about wxPython. would wxGTK run with the Xwindows that I have installed? i can try to get you one if you like seriously Xdarwin, is the X windows flavor from Xfree86 folks that I have installed. derek: you talking to me? jcater: yeah a Mac running OS X? jsalaud: i think someone here had it work on Xdarwin jcater: i can try it never hurts.. sure I'd love to get one worse i can do is get told no I want to try to get GNUe packaged the Mac way derek: Is there an e-mail list where I could ask that question? gnue@gnu.org, but let me look real quick first which question? I sent an e-mail there already but got no response...Question: Who got it working on Xdarwin. ah ? neilt had it working w/o issue I think using wxGTK under Xdarwin How does wxPython know which it's talking to...or is that a really dumb question? well this is funny BUT we are listed as working on Xwindows natively for OS X http://www.hyperjeff.org/Apps/Xwin.html jsalaud: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/gallery/designer2.jpg jsalaud: you asked on gnue@gnu.org? Action: jcater doesn't recall seeing any questions about OS X but I might have missed it jsalaud: i think i might have your answer will be another minute slow internet here :( I believe so (checking sent messages) >does gnue works with mac os x ? > >if so, you have any url's list's comments ? > >bests from barcelona, >jaume teixi. Yes, although it takes some work. You will want to use Fink to install most of the dependencies. As a member of the core team all I use is Mac OS X although I have not had time to due much lately. http://www.gnuenterprise.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-My_eGallery&file=index&do=showpic&pid=30 Neil neilt@gnue.org I must sleep now please feel free to email neilt@gnue.org and ask questions, if you get it working and feel compelled to write a quick how-to we would LOVE it and screenshots!@ jcater: sleep well. Action: jcater will be happy to sleep, these days well or not :) but thanks later all jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "nite" I am going to fire him off an e-mail....is that link to something useful? Tried the link...didn't seem useful..as I got no page back. no its a link to the screenshot jcater posted earlier (we restructured our website since that email) Any clues about how wxPython interacts with wxGtk or wxMac...that will get me 80% of the way. ? i dont think it works with wxMac with wxGTK it just works :) i dont know what 'fink' is It doesn't seem to work well anyway. but it sounds like that is the real trick I'll give it try..and free the IRC from more of my chatter... Until then.. and thanks. (Poof) jsalaud (~jsalaud@dsl-228-109.ipns.com) left #gnuenterprise. Action: derek is away: sleep reinhard (~reinhard@M698P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello hello Arturas hi Dmitry johannes (~johannes@M700P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" hmm, gotta go will do the 0.4.2 announce on website tonight Does anyone have changelog for this release? jamest? psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Client Exiting" Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@203.190.196.197) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@203.190.196.197) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: paqan (~paqan@202.155.120.221) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left #gnuenterprise ("lectures, later"). ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. f-d-f (f-d-f@144.139.99.233) joined #gnuenterprise. does anyone know if anyone actually uses GNUe <---- newbie yes several people use it, even in production environments large organisations? I believe so, although I've not been following those conversations to say with certainty I am looking at options for a new system that I am setting up for a new manufacturing company Large enough I think to be able to afford an Oracle License oracle - must be pretty large.... ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-246-106.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ajmitch is sure to know more than I I am looking for a system that will work for a manufacturing company that will actually have a process (rather than batch) manufacturing no, not i :) The company will be setting up office throughout the country and internationally ok so how may i help? :) just getting an assessment of GNUe at the moment for a new rollout A new company (manufacturing) that will grow fairly quickly ah right well i've heard of a few companies that are using GNUe f-d-f: i could help for branch in russia :) i don't tend to keep track of them tho :) have a few offices initially and then grow, hence the requirement for scability scale ability this seems like a good system - but stability is an issue in a production environment given that most of GNUe is in alpha appserver is in alpha f-d-f: the tools are quite useful if you are ready to do manufactutring modules yourself forms is certainly used by a number of companies in production f-d-f: the papo team should release their system these days in spanish, right? :) ajmitch: minor point f-d-f: you're in .au ? Isomer: heh yes it is done for manufactury and build on gnue tools I see But I am worried about having to force myself into too much customizatio at the start which will lead to a lot of work at every upgrade stage I suppose the best way to look at it is to put it all onto a Linux box? f-d-f: for today it is work in 2-tier mode, application server is much less ready I see - 2 tier trial is okay, what do you suggest for initial deployement to see the essence of the GNUe system ? {sorry to be a pain - I am new (less than 4hours) to GNUe} you can try binary build for win32 this will be enough? it let you run example forms and access database it has all dependencies though source installation works better for me especially under linux the binary build is just a way to get something working in a few minutes thanks - I will look at it and report back - thank you for your assistance. Good Luck _ I hope to be back soon. 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Was it jcater who was asking about 2.4.20 because of his driver needs? ariel_: i don't think you'd get your code back in original form jbailey: it wasn't me but I don't know about jcater Ah, okay. Well whoever it was - I've just reverted back to 2.4.19 because it was hanging X. that's good to know for anyone :) neilt (~neilt@dialup-166.90.69.58.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: "Client Exiting" looking for jsalaud, will try back later neilt (~neilt@dialup-166.90.69.58.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: Client Quit dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: i installed all the debs and tested reports 'pretty good' read i filed about 5 - 7 bugs :) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. but all 'configuration' issues Action: dneighbo_ knows you and jcater are on woody so its of little consequence but packaging for sid is shaping up derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jcater: stay away from 2.4.20 per jbailey otay bugger it hangs X :( Action: dneighbo_ is away: work jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. how PRE-UPDATE trigger work? what is the difference it with PRE-COMMIT? jamest? jcater? IIRC pre-update only gets called if a record is modified so the save will generate a sql update statement yes vs pre-insert which only gets called on new record inserts pre-commit I don't recall the details on. jcater? but pre-commit gets called whether it's an insert, update, or a delete so if a record is inserted Pre-Insert then Pre-Commit gets called if a record is deleted Pre-Delete then Pre-Commit gets called if a record is modified Pre-Update then Pre-Commit gets called i thought so but did not get it working, i changed few fields and then fit F6 trying again ra3vat_: how we claim it should work does not necessarily mean that is how it is working :) thanks, it helps :) dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-246-106.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" Nick change: reinhard -> rm-away xetrex (~chatzilla@195.148.248.50) joined #gnuenterprise. xetrex (~chatzilla@195.148.248.50) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.8.11 [Mozilla rv:1.2.1/20021130]" jamest: i have also tried ON-SWITCH trigger and i hoped it catch an event when 1 entry comes up after initialization but it is not, is it desired behavior ? i consider that a bug myself i noticed it too but haven't looked into why it's what way ok Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. MCArkan (~Xavier@217.167.178.166) joined #gnuenterprise. hi I got some question about erps in what it differs from a web application with background scripts ? you could write an erp that was web based I still have hard time to get what erp are think of it as everything to run a biz it'd be the software your accountants use, your human resource people, your production control department that's how I try and think of it IC I think it'll be funny when gnue is prime-time ready with all of that. funny? Yeah - Just the fact that I could have a small business office setup - with the *same* tools they would use when they're 300 people strong, and have them largely setup in 2 or 3 days including whatever customisation they'll need. By that time gnumeric and abiword (or OO) will be completely usable, too. isn't gnumeric already usable ? jbailey: by the gnue is there you won't need OO or abiword the computer will just read your brainwave patterns MCArkan: It needs stronger macro and graphing support. Both of which are well on their way. and send the letter w/o you writing it jamest: Bah, so skeptical. =) Action: MCArkan is lost with what gaes is does a gnue object make uses of corba ? Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Client Exiting" Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. btw, I see that you guy are using orbit-python which is now deprecated in favor of pyorbit which can do nicer things we abstract away from any transport protocol which costs us true corba handles to our objects What software is required to run GNUe? In general, Linux/Unix type system is required with the following to build from CVS: * python * orbit-python [...] but I'm out of touch with appserver capabilities (replacement for geas) so maybe that's changed oh wow that FAQ entry is way, way out of date Who hacks on appserver these days? python, wxpython, and a few other python modules is all that is needed I should package it up sometime, too. um i'm not sure they are ready for that Wel, to replace the old C++ one in Debian anyway. i asked about doing a new release and reinhard (IIRC) said to hold off oh yeah, geas needs to go away ++ see you later MCArkan (~Xavier@217.167.178.166) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). It's still -12c outside. Sick. rm-away (~reinhard@M698P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) you canadians you're sick rm-away (~reinhard@M698P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: jbailey looks around. Plural? Is there more than one? yeah, isn't there like 15 or 20 of you guys up there in canada? :) we have a Canadian professor i think if we've got less than 75 inches of snow and the temp is above -150C he doesn't think the weather is bad pwd /home/jamest Action: jbailey is away: I'm busy Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: jbailey is back (gone 00:35:49) morning revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: revDeke is suprised we dont see more of this.... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1047&e=1&u=/021128/168/2rst4.html We've been saying that for years. Americans never listen. =) what? did you say something? must be the wind =) Sometimes I take pride in being Canadian. Like having a national animal that is one of the most destructive ones environmentally. Action: grib is just waiting for the Gulf Stream to submerge, bringing on another mini-Ice-Age, so that we can send the robotic snow weasels to demolish the CN Tower Oh having a national sport that noone plays. jbailey: our national animal is much more destructive than yours The CN tower wouldn't be that interesting to demolish. All you'd kill is American tourists. =) just look what exxon does to the environment annually jcater: Isn't yours the eagle? ya missed my joke :) no it's big oil Oh, I see. =) I was wondering perhaps you meant the chimp that sits in the or^Hval office. Action: jbailey hides. heh chimp? you are giving him way too much credit Haven't you seen bushorchimp.com? perhaps you mean sock puppet? I don't want to think about someone putting their hand inside him... lol (and I bet neither did you...) well all Action: ajmitch ought to start doing some hacking ajmitch: Excellent! ajmitch: What will you hack today? i'm still trying to decide I made a todo list, and now it just depresses me. some silly python hack, or shall i do a db & some forms? jbailey: what's this I hear about 2.4.20? hehe Action: ajmitch is running 2.4.20 with no worries jcater: It hung my x session twice within 5 minutes of logging in. There's also a bug report about ext3 corruption. ouch um ok Action: jcater stays far far away heh, and it turns out that that ext3 bug was also in 2.4.19 gack that answers my next question :) and only occurs in the non-default journallying mode, on unmounting Ah, hadn't seen that report. Action: ajmitch is on the ext3-users list :) *why*? because i feel like it That works. =) so most people don't need to worry about ext3 and i haven't seen any lockups or hangs psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hello psu good evening, sir revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "CGI:IRC 0.5" psu : FAQ 3.2 - What software is required to run GNUe? it's way off yeah, pr0nviewer2000 is only optional not required oh, wait.... that's my internal NCS list I'm looking at The whole FAQ is b0rked ooooo, that's the one thing I wanted required nevermind almost, but not quite, badly enough for me to remove it psu: I would be happy to help w/the faq I need a clear evening to fix it Action: jcater did some changes for reinhard about a year ago but it needs updating again jamest: is there a formal changelog for the 0.4.2 release or shall I home-brew one from CVS & run it by you? sigh, just about time for me to dive into forms building :) Action: ajmitch has to get a nicely working db schema tho or is just "applied papo patches, backported some bug fixes, got curses demo-able" a reasonable execuitve summary anyway? SachaS_ (~Sacha@dialup-196-224.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ajmitch what time is it in nz, in your place? SachaS_: If he doesn't answer, it should be somewhere around 11am Wednesday. thanks jbailey. Wed Dec 4 09:17:01 NZDT 2002 a little bit off, jbailey :) ok http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~psu/042news.txt ajmitch: d'oh! Misread my clock. MCArkan (~xordoquy@APuteaux-107-1-3-29.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #gnuenterprise. Unless anyone says anything in next 1/2 hour, on the website & to gnue-announce it goes hello MCArkan re ajmitch: The difference between '5pm' and '15' =) jbailey: if you get debs done within 1/2 an hour, psu can change that note so that debian users aren't recommended to use 0.4.1 ;) SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-32.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) well, Debian users who don't eat quiche can use 0.4.2 package lusers like me are stuck on 0.4.1 Seriously, if 0.4.2 debs are planned, I;ll say so perhaps he's off quickly updating the debs? is there a tutorial about the use of gnue ? MCArkan: forms & common developers guides? :) Nick change: SachaS_ -> SachaS don't know if there's a designer tutorial as such I just want to try anything to test it :) 1) Install tools done I got the designer launched 2) Set connections.conf to point to an existing d/b with tables and rows in it http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/forms/ <-- work in progress, but very helpful there are a number of samples you can play with psu: what's about it ? :) 3) Specify this connection when you go into Designer 4) Run simple form wizard against one of your tables 2) is the main non-obvious bit - you can use any d/b you have the drivers for Action: ajmitch recalls where he recognises the nick MCArkan from :) ajmitch: looks nice ajmitch: when was it ? The connections.conf has an example for each main d/b supported #gnome, irc.gnome.org aha :) right You can use local or remote d/b as long as you know a username & p/w We did have a form that you could use to edit the connections.conf file itseld yes, i've even played with accessing mysql over dialup :) which was a nice bit of GNU-like recursion but I'm not sure if it was ever fixed recursion: see under "recursion" Action: ajmitch wonders when galeon will be updated in sid ajmitch: one day .... debian packager are sometimes lazy ;) of course :) Action: psu is away: downstairs Lazy? What? blurr (~joe@dhcp-0-5-5d-e9-88-8d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Oh, the galeon maintainer. well do we have 0.4.2 debs uploaded yet? :) I'll go back to work now. Action: jbailey pokes ajmitch. =) :) what connections.conf relating to (I mean, what provides this file) ? gnue-common for example, with the debs there's an /etc/gnue/sample.connections.conf iirc :) blurr (~joe@dhcp-0-5-5d-e9-88-8d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" neilt (~neilt@dialup-65.57.10.131.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. ajmitch: thanks hello neilt hello ajmitch: you could add that in the doc (note that it doesn't depend on the database) MCArkan: i could, if i had access to it :) well, the format of the entries is d/b dependant the Oracle ones esp. are a bit different doh due to all that TNSNAMES service stuff that Oracle gurus love plus, once ajmitch has the CSV driver working Action: ajmitch hides I guess that one won't need a username and password... psu: gadfly driver that i did doesn't require username & password Action: psu is back (gone 00:34:08) well, it shouldn't ;) Action: psu just noticed he was being v talkative for someone meant to be away... ajmitch is obviously our "well, I *suppose* you could call that a database" expert haha yeah, i get stuck with using mysql ;') i target the real small businesses, where it's easier to use simple psuedo-dbs :) Action: psu waits for the ajmitch cloth bag full of marbles driver select count (marbles) where colour = "green" ; the interface could be tricky you could do database replication fairly easy just by having 2 bags i gotta do that csv driver stuff some(time|how) well, you'd need to be doing something very simple or be simply twisted to use the CSV driver with Forms/Designer but it's probably the key to a working Integrator and might even be useful for Reports yeah i think i suit the simply twisted simply twisted = the idea of writing a free minix clone in 1989 & look where that ended up ;-) ugh Nick change: rm-away -> reinhard hi reinhard siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-192-192.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hey siesel hi ajmitch :) neilt (~neilt@dialup-65.57.10.131.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) website updated, and gnue-announce e-mailed re 0.4.2 releases Action: psu is not convinced these merit a freshmeat etc announcement save up our freshmeat brownie points for 0.5.0 ;-) they do not 0.4.2 is simply the last few bugs patched before 0.5.0 is out for those people unwilling to accept the goodness that gfd 0.5.0 offers well, given that 0.5.0 in CVS still has the jamest: I thought forms CVS was still fubar? "keep out, here be lyons" signs from jcater that's probably everyone ;-) um 0.5.0 forms is pretty stable 0.5.0 designer is getting there the main reasons to stay away now testing the 0.4 to 0.5 converter does just that - upgrade to 0.5.0 now and if we make changes before 0.5.0 is out then you convert by hand :) this stuff needs lots of testing :) Lemme know when you've got a lockdown on the format and I'll put it in Debian. =) 0.4.2 might be worth debianing if we're not already on 0.4.99 in debian i was hoping 0.4.2 would get in debian as it's an official release Hmm, okay. =) We're on 0.4.1.99 right now. part of the reason for 0.4.2 is so debian would get a real release From a little under a week before the official release. jbailey: have we given you enough hints that we want debs? ;) ajmitch: No. hmm ajmitch: send cash GIVE US DEBS NOW DAMMIT!!! ;) i think we should ask jbailey to do debs of 0.4.2 ajmitch: I require the same type of hints that Derek does. ajmitch: Exactly like that. =) it's not like any of us are going to go to where he lives and force him to make them it's like 20 below there :D we'd have to leave a moose's head rather than a horse's head in his bed ;-) 20F or so right now. psu: I'm sure my cats would eat either right now. They're on a diet. Seriously, I haven't comitted us to doing debs of 0.4.2 in the announce psu: They'll happen. but it would be nice ;-) Updating the debs takes only a couple of minutes. The sid debs, anyway. Action: ajmitch pokes jcater you around? he's not dang jbailey: how hard to backport to woody, is it the same steps as last time Action: jamest wrote them down who else has shell access to subversions.gnu.org here? jbailey? me jbailey ok jbailey: got phpgw core people asking if they can get shell access to subversions, to be able to give out cvs write access to their API (phpgw is a special case) Action: jamest blinks what? am i meant to ask the savannah ppl for it? jamest: yeah, phpgw has a slightly restricted cvs lots of people have cvs write access, but only a few are in the group for writing to the core module dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) left irc: "later.." jamest: Backporting to woody is a little harder now because I'm using a newer debhelper tool dh_python ouch how hard ajmitch: Refer anything to do with subversions to savannah-hackers right mailing them now jamest: Just a couple extra steps. I can document it for you. that would be great sid is just too unstable for my blood when it comes to production servers i'm already have issues running a mixed woody/sarge system at work yogurt2unge (~charlie@ADSL-200-59-86-216.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. *sigh* It seems testing's been disabled for now. why? Something or other about the glibc maintainer being incompentant. who is that? me. =) hmmmmmm Basically, glibc is b0rken on arm. I've had two people claim that they would fix the problem, and haven't heard anything. Until that is fixed (so that we can compile on every arch), glibc can't get into testing. heh great Since every new app in unstable is linked against the new glibc, none of them can flow into testing. so you're waiting on fixes for an arch that you have no access to psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("g'nite..."). everything held up for one or two archs is not good Further, since perl 5.8 isn't in testing (because of various dependancies), no perl apps could get through. ouch Want to know the best part? sarge is for 2004 then? :) sure The gcc-3.3 transition is coming up. =) woohoo! why? why to which part? i didn't even thing gcc 3.2 transiition was complete all c++ packages need rebuilt, there'll be random breakages all over the place in slightly dodgy C code :) Well.. There hasn't been one yet. I'm just calling it the 3.3 transition because I think that by the time we're ready to transition to 3.2, 3.3 will be in the archive. I imagien they'll branch for 3.3 soon, at which point we'll have packages. and the C++ ABI will be stable (i hope) That's the theory. yogurt2unge (~charlie@ADSL-200-59-86-216.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) But the nice part is that all of this stopage could theoretically be finished by the end of December, leading to a spring Sarge release. riiight Well. glibc's easy. lol i love our comments # Don't ask... but it's needed lastRow -= 1 jamest: looks meaningful to me to me that says, you remove this line, you are in trouble :) in a much more polite way siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-192-192.netcologne.de) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard (~reinhard@M698P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: if at all possible i would love to see 0.4.2 put in sid and have it there long enough to make it to sarge then put in 0.5.0 if thats possible also if we can package gtk2 forms it would be great :) revDeke: I think it's unlikely it would be there long enough to make it to sarge. Also, your programmers need to tell me that gtk2 is ready. Action: revDeke now runs away before jbailey starts seeing that i filed an ungodly amount of bugs against the packages :) who's maintainer for the gtk2 driver? :) Last I heard that also had a 'thar be dragons' sign. nah, it mostly works ajmitch: you are un officially (seriously) revDeke: that's cool jbailey its not 'kwality kode' per say but aj says it works it has a number of bugs if we can get it packaged i will test the packaging and be able to help aj refine it which i need to fix :) ajmitch: Could you cope with bug reports? or should I wait? jbailey: i can cope jbailey: i can file non packaging bugs against dcl Okay. I'll look at it for 0.4.2 you might ask jason if curses is worth bundling at all honestly as its another one i can start some looking at revDeke: If you feel like it, they'll just get referred upstream though since you haven't told me that I should update dcl yet. I'd wait until 0.5.0 to do gtk2 then you can do curses as well jcater: will that be before dec 31st 0.5.0 probably most likely jbailey: then wait Action: jcater would say definitely but definitely doesn't exist in free lingo revDeke: That's why I say 0.4.2 probably won't make sarge. how long does it take to hit sarg right, i'm meant to be hacking the 0.5.0 gtk2 driver anyway, aren't i? you mean, sarge is frozen? i was hoping only 2 weeks or so ajmitch: yup jcater: due to the problems listed earlier (glibc, perl, gcc) :) really i.e. i think it would be worth holding 0.5.0 debs a week or so if it meant we could get 0.4.2 in sarge so this mean we'll see sarge fairly soon? no jcater: More lying dead twiching on a doorstep than frozen. it's more stalled than frozen ah, ok I like my analogy better. =) twitch [18:05] Last message repeated 1 time(s). =) rofl so, sarge has been, um, wounded in combat? jbailey: also its painful we cant backport to woody this is a real problem for our production users is there 'any' way around this revDeke: Not can't. Just have to avoid the use of dh_python, Easy enough to do. i would query the core team but it might be worth diong to have woody support yup revDeke: If jcater or whoever uses the packaging he has now, a simple replace of the tarball will be fine. It's all good. revDeke: with reports in unstable now revDeke: we really need pysablot in there where's that stand? psyablot? Wassat? xslt engine python wrapping for sablotron jcater: i sent all the goodies to the pysablot maintainer with no response nickr did debs i can resend however there were issues upstream if he doesnt respond in 1 week we just 'fork' it revDeke: ok no new code is being added I think it has come to that seriously i dont know what else to do i even submitted him all the patches so he had NO work to do i.e. i think i sent patches PLus a fixed tarball for a release all he needed to do was agree and upload the tarball to sourceforge jcater: after you left i had debian reports working great making html and the whole nine yards Action: revDeke was going to make a -U gtk2 for fun but will look at it for cvs head based on conversation of gtk2 stuff here huh? also do you have your qt driver even partially done? ajmitch: you can have 'graphical' interaction with reports now oooh currently only login dialog box but soon more ah sounds cool sugh there's also sab-pyth ok, what do i do if i want simple reports & be able to print them from (primarily) windows ajmitch: easy, contribute a GDI filter for reports :) i started on a real simple db schema for this basic inventory app using postgresql at the moment :) can you email to me i think it's a bit too basic for you to use so i can review comment and if we agree get in gnue-sb cvs ajmitch: basic is better than non-existant as they're only categorising one set of things never think too basic as NULL is less basic that simpleFoo ;) :) btw, where's the authentication stuff hidden? i'm looking at macs right now (some dotgnu auth stuff) ;) ajmitch: read common/doc/technotes/00005.txt iirc k jcater: is that getAuthenticatedUser() function documented anywhere? Action: revDeke needs to add that to my goodies tonight jbailey: if you can package 0.4.2 it would be great as i will 'test' it for you :) Action: ajmitch needs to troll thru the forms developers guide & learn stuff :) i.e. beat it into submission and send you lots of n@bugs.debian.org emails :) fwiw: i was really impressed with gnue-reports packaging, short of having to copy some files around it worked really well hmm, are some of those dcl tickets fixed? As long as you forgive them being a lower priority than current glibc problems, otherwise I'd advise you report bugs upstream. like numeric fields & postgresql? revDeke: Blame jcater for it mostly. revDeke: I stole his packaging and finished the Debian conformance. But the fact that it works at all is his doing. jbailey if you package i only submit bugs that are believed to be packaging ones to BTS the other ones i just whine repeatedly to jamest and jcater about Action: jamest thwaps revDeke stop it! jamest: hey now... i spent all evening testing and submitted 10 or so bug reports for gnue and not one went to you or jcater why do i get hit? the other ones i just whine repeatedly to jamest and jcater about yeah but thats tonight hmmmmm Action: revDeke suspects unless you dorked something up bad you wont get any i'm sure you'll do something to deserve the thwap ok, have all the samples been converted to 0.5.0? as 0.4.1 is the most solid i have seen gnue to date ajmitch: no they won't be until we're 100% sure of the format Action: ajmitch is looking to h4x0r the gtk2 driver, needs stuff to play with :) ok so if 0.4.2 is only 'fixes' to 0.4.2 its probably good sign ajmitch: I'm mucking about in the UI system at the moment ajmitch: use the conversion tool on one or two of them as it needs testing too :) so you may want to hold back for a bit perhaps i'll hold off & just do this app with 0.4.2 ajmitch: is this your inventory stuff? revDeke: yep if so im begging you to help with gnue-sb well, can I install the dependencies for gtk2 on woody? oh btw, which postgresql driver was broken? jamest: uhm... not sure on that one and the motto im using there is target gnue-tools stable as it stands i can only test wx and curses psycopg and jamest yes you can let me get you url jamest: python-gtk2 deb is only in sid jamest: I don't think gtk2 is in woody at all. revDeke? http://people.debian.org/~walters/gnome2.html there is a section from gnome2 maintainer on how to get on woody revDeke: right, i'm just using 0.4.2 stuff for this, 0.5.0 will come once i have things to play with :) Action: jamest shudders gnome on my baby sigh it's for the good of gnue i do believe its a move to gnome2 thing though you dont get luxury of gnome1 and gnome2 but since you use kde that shouldnt be an issue i imagine yeah, is jcater hacking up a qt driver? i asked he didnt respond not at this time we've both looked at it i would like to see one in cvs (if its even remotely started) but qt is a bit different yup it's quite cool, isn't it? ;) i hope to try to make good testing of win32 and gtk2 Action: jamest is installing gtk2 and qt as well if it shows up gdm2 is rather nice so i think you'll be ok to work on head im not sure i like gnome2 but gdm2 (graphical themes) kick butt as I'll test my changes against it jamest: ok i'll try & watch the changelogs for breakages ie, attempt to mirror changes from the wx driver if needed :) i'm trying not to break things honest but support may require it right ajmitch: i thought you might like this gdm greeter (That im currently using) http://art.gnome.org/images/thumbnails/gdm_greeter/GDM-Herr_der_Ringe-Shot.jpg how about my favourite - optional background colours, optional inline images? :) ah yes, that one Action: ajmitch is also using gdm2 jamest: i would like to do some 0.5.0 testing please let me know when it gets close to usable and you guys might want to start taking bug reports great! then the bugs will really pop up! :) and if there is someway to produce a list of 'new features' so i can try to test those as well it would be great every form I've thrown at 0.5.0 forms works designer i haven't tested in a while but layout manager changes were causing it fits don't expect designer to support other layout mgrs beyond abs for a fhile :) so you willing to have me 'beat on forms some in cvs head' ? i guess so jamest/ajmitch: iirc all the samples have been converted to 0.5.0 not all tested but quite a few just keep forms in 0.4.x format and only use converter to create them ? ok fun if you update to 0.5.0 and ditch the 0.4.x versions Action: revDeke was planning on making a directory of gnue-sb and running converter on it then don't bitch if we change 0.5.0 format and you have to update by hand but any apps for now should be done with 0.4.2, right? :) and then run against 0.5.0 for a real world test i.e. as that will be my primary concern that i can convert gnue-sb to 0.5.0 when time comes revDeke: actually so i dont mind testing that over and over and over again forget what jamest said and try out 0.5.0 :) ajmitch: you wanna work on gnue-sb i know you do :) gack Action: revDeke is perfectly happy only using 0.4.2, but figured i would offer some testing resources if it was getting close my only worry was gfd format changes and designer if jcater says he's converted them and commited then go for it hey i found a new icon for gnue-forms 0.5.0 http://art.gnome.org/images/icons/other/Mine.png hehe sigh i hate gnome this has nothing to do with it but it still doesn't help :) apt-get install gnome Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome: Depends: bug-buddy (>= 2.2.0) but 2.0.8-1 is to be installed Depends: libeel2-2 but it is not going to be installed hey now how can this http://art.gnome.org/images/icons/other/GNOME-Text-C-Source.png be? python should have the pizza icon.. grrrr MCArkan (~xordoquy@APuteaux-107-1-3-29.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Client Exiting" Anyone know of a good testsuite framework for python? jbailey: derek - he'll break anything error reporting isn't half bad either unittest module? aka pyunit ajmitch: Thanks. see http://ajmitch.dhis.org/devel/info/Books/diveintopython/html/diveintopython.html#roman (local copy of a book i downloaded) has a chapter on how to use it *lol* oooooo added in 2.1 eh or www.diveintopython.org :) That's probably a faster mirror. most likely 128kbps is not wonderful revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. jbailey: pyunit err nevermind lol Action: ajmitch imagines trying to write a GDI filter for reports would be somewhat less than fun jcater is living in the derek-lag world? =) jbailey: and what a depressing world that is Action: jcater ducks oh, wait... he left jcater: is common/doc/common-techref.lyx still useful & up to date? no not at all use http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/common ok that's cool, was just wondering if i needed to ask someone for a ps/pdf copy :) Action: jcater tries to keep current pdfs of everything at that location Action: jcater needs to get with psu to see if he wants them elsewhere i meant of the .lyx file ah Log message: syncing cvs to prep for ai processing heh, weird people i needed to run a bug I couldn't find thru Cater 2K where 2K = Krispy Kreme how mnay seconds did it take to process? oh dear, my typing's getting as bad as chillywilly's :( he's had a high level of process interupts today heh so a few minutes to find my stupid error chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. oh, here he is sup? the stupid error? my putting the custom phaseInit into forms that bypassed init if it was dialog then telling it to init the dialogs differntly and not remembering to remove that previous thing Action: ajmitch checks to see what samples are converted == stupid error Hmm. Action: ajmitch blinks at strange traceback DB000: File "/usr/local/src/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/GParser.py", line 303, in startElementNS DB000: object = self.xmlElements[name]['BaseClass'](self.xmlStack[0]) DB000: File "/usr/local/src/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/GDataSource.py", line 390, in __init__ DB000: GFObj.__init__(self, parent, "GCConnection") DB000: NameError: global name 'GFObj' is not defined jamest: you should 'renice' him connections.conf probably should only have a master copy in /etc/gnue and also look for a copy in ~/.gnue shouldn't it? there's the bottom of it jbailey: i'd like that ;) ajmitch: Well, the current setup doesn't make much sense. =) otherwise i just set GNUE_CONNECTIONS jbailey: probably so but you can set GNUE_CONNECTIONS like aj said Then we could also do smoething clever like a nice failure that indicates that your sysadmin hasn't created it for you and giving instruction on where to find the samples or something. Hmm. ack! GNUe Forms Version 0.4.99 GNUe Common Version 0.4.1.99 are they right for cvs? what's GFObj doing in common! Is that connections editing wizard that runs on windows available under unix? Action: ajmitch runs cvs annotate to see who to point finger at damn you jbailey damn you and your cvs annotate 1.52 (jcater 21-Nov-02): GFObj.__init__(self, parent, "GCConnection") hehe you didn't really have to tell them about it did you? ajmitch: change that to a GObjects.GObj and try again Action: ajmitch had already been using cvs annotate for a number of years :) well maybe it was you then, damn whoever told #gnuenterprise about it cvs annotate is my hero change it to this, you mean? class GConnection(GObjects.GObj): def __init__(self, parent=None): GObjects.GObj.__init__(self, parent, "GCConnection") that should be right, calling the base class constructor... change cvs and then let him update ;) you lazy bums i would but my tree is toast here so I can't test chillywilly: He wants ajmitch's name on the annotate screen. =) shhhhhhh haha not possible :P re yo DB000: File "/usr/local/src/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/GDataSource.py", line 402, in initialize DB000: self.findParentOfType(None)._app.connections.\ DB000: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'connections' i don't know if the database is setup correctly yipeee gack what are you running? head forms? or navigator? HEAD even forms HEAD is good...er... you using ? as that is probably not working right now i'm trying a sample form :) which one? forms/samples/inventory/forms/company.gfd dude how old is that form? just checked, the db & tables are there KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. november 27 hi hi hello! it's a converted form well, that's when the conversion happened yup I converted find . -name '*.gfd' excellent :) does intro.gfd run for you? yeah update your cvs and try again Action: jcater guesses the tag isn't working but our samples shouldn't be using that tag anyway jcater: did you fix the GFObj references in cvs? jcater: Does it work? ajmitch: yeah jcater: Update CVS. Broken yet? rofl sigh jbailey: first annotate now pointing out our SOP what did we do to you? jamest: You made me put gnue in Debian. Now I have to pay attention. =) ok, the form works now, thanks now i can hammer at the gtk2 driver ;) Sweet. in HEAD ajmitch: um And I have a week to figure out how python and win32 work together. =) talk w/jamest first gah he is cleaning up some fugly stuff in the uidriver yes, he said that make sure you don't conflict right jcater: i was trying to get gnome2 running then i'd keep gtk2 driver up perhaps i'll let it simmer for now then? since it won't install i can't ignore me then I'm pulling a derek the gtk2 driver is already behind - errors out on the inventory form :) can do and only half-reading the conversations DB000: File "/usr/local/src/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/gtk2/UIdriver.py", line 1133, in _createWidget DB000: if event.object.tabbed: DB000: AttributeError: GFForm instance has no attribute 'tabbed' Action: ajmitch saw that changed in the wx driver ajmitch: change that to event.object._layout.tabbed who told these people to run HEAD? you did :) Action: jamest thwaps jamest ok, that one was an easy fix How is documentation going? dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. I'm gone.. 'bye! bye jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" hmmm, my mail archiving script didn't run... BLAH ok anyone ever think f trying Gentoo out? s/f/of/ no just asking... hmmm, I tried chat 1.9.6 but the damn thing just kept crashing er, xchat just like when I compiled it a while back chillywilly: yeah but after the system hadn't compiled itself over the weekend I said fsck this and turned it off lol Action: jcater isn't joking that doesn't make it less funny ;) gotta reboot win98 chillywilly: back for some more gnue hacking? :) KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly hisses ajmitch: umm, we'll see...I think I may help crazymike fix his gnu/linux box and who knows how long that will take ;) 5 minutes he finds unique and interesting ways to break it it's not like he's derek ummm, I think they are long lost brothers can't be well he moved his HD to a diff computer and can't get the net connection up now is that all? yeap I dunno you would think he would've learned something by now ;) you'd have thought i'd have learnt something by now heheh you're purty smart dewd I think you've learned plenty ;) umm i'm still in this channel this channel may be devoid of taste and tact, but it is definitely not devoid of useless computer/programming knowledge but it is full of good ol'-fashuned weirdness! weirdness without taste and tact ;) join the fun! ;) Action: ajmitch ought to try & contribute some time this week Action: chillywilly signs ajmitch up for trout slapers anonmyous slappers even anonymous blah [20:34] Last message repeated 4 time(s). SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-224.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) must type slooooowwwwer and press right keys ok, what to do... crazymike is busy watching TV I think hack a GDI filter for reports for me graphics device interface? gnue data interface? i think the first one so that i can print easily on win32 gah Action: chillywilly knew that sounded familiar why can't you use html? or one of the other drivers chillywilly: probably because his printer doesn't understand html? umm, because trying to do accurate printing with html sucks badly for an app postscript? this is for win32, GDI is like the native equivalent of PS cos that's what printer drivers understand I know what a GDI is..umm, but can't frelling inders let you use a PS printer without needing their gay GDI crap? winders yes, but who says that i'll have access to a PS printer? :) make sure you do ;) sigh is there a python interface to GDI crap? chillywilly: that would be a good project for someone to research i.e., are there python bindings to GDI i don't know, quite possibly there is in the win32 extensions hint, hint but I don't want to touch reports ;) hmm, there's a book called python programming with win32, by o'reilly that should be seen as a good thing by you ;) the TOC implies that there is stuff available hmmm, I try to purge all knowledge of the winders API from my mind it gives me nightmares MFC is horrid too, btw there's a chapter on printing in that book how much is the book? dunno i think i found stuff anyway http://www.tecs.com.au/images/lg_web_banner1.gif ack! :) that's like a kick in the nuts man it makes yo cringe ;) hehe er, you I should do something useful now yup man these docs are hideous ok, for the logs, win32 docs can be found at http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Python/Reference/Products/ActivePython/PythonWin/PythonWin.html dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) left irc: "later.." jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: Client Quit jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-168-128.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. hmm, is jcater still here? define "here" just wondering how on earth one does that reports stuff, and have something printable the filters look rather bare right now, the logic is in the html.xsl and text.xsl scripts in reports/filters/SimpleTabulation ? ja hmm is src/adapters/filters used? yes adapters/filters/sablotron runs the xsl scripts hmm ok Action: jcater doesn't imagine you'll be able to do gdi stuff in xsl so you'd have something in src/adapters/filters hmm in other words, it's going to be damned messy since i have no access to windows :) um one might say that if one were so inclined we need to standardize our report markup any suggestions for a better method? Action: jcater is wondering about a simplified (greatly) form of docbook since i know that others will want to do similar - printing of reports in windows speaking of markup I should flatten the object definition markup to make it saner ooh, a nice wysiwyg reports editor! ;) someone could hack a designer plugin to do that that's the plan rightg well, i could either fight with pythonwin, or use the equivalent classes in wxpython the wxPrinterDC class is windows-specific, of course ;) Action: chillywilly thinks you should use wxpython why, chillywilly? cause it's our defacto toolkit or something ;) depends on if it'd be suitable for a printing toolkit true dat anyway, i don't need to immediately think about it more important is getting the forms up jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. hey jeff Heya Andrew. I sat down to work on my Java homework and realised I don't have Java installed. oops It's the little things that slow me down. My glibc compile on the arm box is still proceeding. I forgot that it's one of those ones that likes to take 10 hours. ouch you have a personal arm box? No. one online? I'm using the debussy ok You're a DD? seeing how well you can break it :) nope not that many people are becoming DDs nowadays ;) Really? The queue seemed to progressing reasoably for a while there. well, the DAM approval is still taking ages, from what i'ev seen Yeah, that's pretty normal though It took me 6 months from start to finish for me. i'm still on hold, and i think jordi is more than willing to remove me unless i provide adequate reason why i should stay in the queue ;) Why are you on hold? i think he tried to get hold of me a couple of days ago i went on hold due to school, and haven't taken myself off hold Which steps did you finish? all but T&S :) the rest were done fairly quickly Yeah. Planning on finishing T&S over summer break? yeah, i guess i could try for that :) perhaps use the latest pnet packages i have Sure. I packaged two things. It's not like you have to upload them when you're done if you don't want to. =) well pnet is split into 4, and there's also the classlib and treecc, which it depends on Cool. If you want me to proof your packages, let me know. have had that stuff in upstream cvs for awhile ok by the time he hunted me down on irc the other night i was already away (damn timezones) ;) BTW, are you finishing the gtk2 theme in 1.4 or waiting until 1.5? huh? s/theme/ui/ s/1.4/0.4.2/ s/1.5/0.5.0/ ;) probably only do it in 0.5.0 unless i have incentive to do otherwise like if 0.5.0 isn't planned for release for awhile Makes sense. it's mostly functional in 0.4.2 i think try it out, tell me if it's otherwise ;) 0.4.2 debs in sid? Well, the debs in sid are less than a week off of 0.4.2 from CVS But I generate those at work - Can't do anything about them from home. I was thinking earlier that turning forms into a browser-plugin would be entertaining. mmm perhaps how would you do it? a simple plugin that does system("gnue-forms bleh") ? or equivalent? or here ? sorry, was distracting jbailey oh ajmitch: Something like that and worked in a browser window. ajmitch: Sort of like acroread does. Vee2d2: Ah, Iwas wondering who 'v' was. =) right, i've seen a gstreamer media player that does that with mozilla Vee2d2: Any idea why I have op in #sodipodi? =) jbailey: it's a love thing. =) anyone who's expressed genuine interest or effort for sodipodi has been added Vee2d2: Ah, okay. =) Action: ajmitch blinks in confusion :) Vee2d2: I guess it's from when I mentioned that my wife uses it. =) jbailey: I s'pose. I must have seen you engage in conversation at some point. Action: dneighbo_ is away: sleep the silent derek slinks away to bed.... I subscribed to the gnue list (gnue@gnu.org) but havent seen anything yet. It was only this morning, but I thought with all the traffic here the list might be pretty active as well.. ? Vee2d2: They're too busy yacking on here... ;) hehe it can be active some days Vee2d2: just send a message mentioning "Security" or "XML Accounting Standards" to the list it'll get active quickly won't be pretty but it'll get active hehe There are XML accounting standards? Sick. Woohoo. Java compiler installed. jbailey: in fact there are so many XML accounting standards they are having a hard time deciding whose standard is right Action: dneighbo_ is back (gone 00:10:04) Action: dneighbo_ is pulling a jcater (turnabout is fair play) and pulling the insominac card Nick change: dneighbo_ -> derek lol touche` Hmm. That reminds me that I havent' setup accents on my laptop yet. BBIAS jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: derek thinks as much as jbailey goes and comes... he is really using windows haha Vee2d2: jcater likely will be a big sodipodi user someday if he isnt already jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: Client Quit finally get to go home... jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. Héla! Now les accents work, 'eh? Bedtime this time g'gnitha ll or something like that. bah =) jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: "Client Exiting" gah, I need postgres help parse_hba: invalid syntax in pg_hba.conf file at line 284, token "all" s/ postgres// 284 is local all all 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 trust send me the file erm it's on a different box lemme scp it here... then I can email or dcc it k hrrm wait lemme try this .dpg-dist version that was saved there... now I can connect must be some imcompatible pg_hba.conf changes between versions 7.2 and 7.3 now I need to dump the board database so I cna upgrade to 7.3 but I forgot what the db was called messageboard? hmmm? yep should I jst pg_dump that db or do a pg_dmpall? anyone? pg_dumpall oh duh I know why it wasn't working before hmm right wanna box? Action: ajmitch doesn't know what you're doing, really say what? trying to upgrade to 7.3 er, postgres 7.3 I want to retain the MB right is that in sid? er, I suppose all I need to do is dump the one db yea ah, i see it hit in the last few hours well I could be a wuss and use phpbb's save board feature to get the sql file but that's lame I should make myself learn to do it the right way ;) there's a doc on migrating between versions Action: chillywilly looks for it jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: ajmitch thinks he'll wait until he's taken decent backups of postgres stuff before upgrading wb again jcater Action: chillywilly will make backups too word is derek still here? or did he go on back to bed? chillywilly: shut down postgresql before backing up data if you're copying the dir umm thanks he never said he was going back to bed :) ah I guess he'll be back after the pr0n movie stops you can also backup by dumping everything to a file and copying the file. Mr_You: sure that's what the scripts do i think hot backups are sometimes ok if your DB isn't being updated at the time.. Action: ajmitch has barely anything touching postgresql I haven't encountered a problem with hot backups and postgresql.. yet. hmmm stop isn't working with the init script for some reason... start-stop-daemon command is not found... weird ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port7.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. gnuebot (~eggdrop@65.101.4.211) got netsplit. mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) got netsplit. grib (~grib@grib.customer.jump.net) got netsplit. ra3vat_ (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) got netsplit. Isomer (dahoose@port-219-88-247-207.jet.net.nz) got netsplit. Vee2d2 (~vin@66-169-136-33.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) got netsplit. pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) got netsplit. im here fighting pygtk2 though :( ajmitch: dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue-sb/item/forms$ ~/bin/gfcvs -u gtk2 item_maint.gfd Import error: You need pygtk 2.0 to use the gtk2 user interface driver. You are actually using gtk 1.2.10 .and pygtk 0.6.11 . any ideas Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libgtkgl2.0-1 python2.2-gtk2 python2.2-gtkgl2 The following NEW packages will be installed: libgtkgl2.0-1 python-gtk2 python-gtkgl2 python2.2-gtk2 python2.2-gtkgl2 0 packages upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 61 not upgraded. if you're doing an upgrade in some cases it will require dumping the entire DB and reloading the upgrade. have to check postgresql changelog 7.3 is out? wow they just came out with 7.2 not too long ago yup dump and reload for v7.3 gnuebot (~eggdrop@65.101.4.211) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port7.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. grib (~grib@grib.customer.jump.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. Isomer (dahoose@port-219-88-247-207.jet.net.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. ra3vat_ (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) returned to #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2 (~vin@66-169-136-33.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by vinge.freenode.net ah I know why stupid PATH settings... SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-224.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. Mr_You: does yours work? or doe sit bicth at you to do it by hand? er, bitch what? going form 7.2 -> 7.3 from I don't know what you mean? upgrading from 7.2 to 7.3 involves dumping all your databases to SQL, installing 7.3 and importing the dump into the new database. yea guess I never worried about it with an empty db ;) you won't be able to use the 7.2 data files at all you ever use their postgresql-dump thing? you'll have to start over. I know no. thanks for telling me once again ;) Action: chillywilly is just going to use pg_dumpall well I still don't know what you were asking me. then stupid migration says you can do: postgresql-dump -t db.out -dcivlp $PGDATA/../data.save\ This will dump the database to db.out, in the postgres home directory, list the dump on screen for the user to inspect and approve, destroy the old database, create the new database with initdb and finally reload the data from db.out into the new database. The old database will be saved in $PGDATA/../data.save in case anything goes wrong. but I don't think I wanna try it ;) I'll do it the old fashioned way pg_dumpall, etc. yeah Action: ajmitch is going ahead with it, dangerous as it may be you can always down grade and use your old data ;) apt-get install postgresql/testing postgresql-client/testing :) hmmm, seems it does not like its own pg_hba.conf file man lame lame lam :) only thing i have to get working is password auth you have 7.3 running? auth? who needs auth? just use trust heheh ;) Action: chillywilly cheats and uses trust 7.3 bitches about the "all" token n line 284 s/n/on/ which makes no sense seems like good syntax too me to hmmm, but this files doesn't even have 284 lines wtf line 246 is the last line --- Wed Dec 4 2002