fixe (~adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ok jcater i had wild lsd dreams eating my burrito i opened our pantry to get some 'chips' and out fell like 5 boxes of cap n crunch (one of my favorites) only the boxes were brown Action: derek thought oh.. must be koo koo for cocoa puffs but it had the capn on them come to find out they are cap n crunch (ooops!) choco donuts http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/choco_donuts.jpg in case you think im just teasing did you gimp that? nah i used gimp only to 'rotate' it I was only joking you can't use a text editor without crashing it :) I sure wouldn't believe you used gimp for artwork :) dude rofl... i just noticed on the piece of paper next to box is a 'scribble' pad... and on it looks like bonobo-slay and oaf-slay that's two things I've seen today that's just not right first it was "Dunkin Donuts Coffee" in 1lb bags now it's Choco-Donuts all i wanna know is why 'oops' Action: derek is thinking cap n crunch (eureka) choco donuts would be more appropriate Action: Mr_You goes for cocoa. cocoa, I never call it that.. hot chocolate reinhard (~reinhard@M695P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning ah, sanity :) where? certainly not in AZ ;) fixe (~adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello derek hi reinhard i didnt see you slip in.. seems like just an hour ago you were off to bed Action: derek thinks my days are getting long or your nights short is it possible to set up the gnue*@gnu.org to have "reply to" the mailing list? derek: yes, that feeling with the hour, i share that :) reinhard: i think that might be an option in mailman but i am not sure btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. I keep forgetting to hit "reply to all" and I've seen that on other mailing lists good morning and I consider it a comfortable thing jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "nite" reinhard: im looking into it now reinhard: going against mailman's 'strongly suggest' warning... gnue and gnue-dev now should insert reply-to headers back to the list uh oh crap its late Action: derek is away: bed time night derek hmmm? 'stronlgy suggest' warning? yes, a large number of people greatly detest it really? well just for the record as it's generally seen that messages meant to be private accidentally going to the list are worse than public messages that just need to be forwarded I wasn't the one that wanted it it was somebody else using my nickname ;-) hehe http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html hmmm he has some valid points well if the majority is for reverting that change then i won't object fixe (~adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Nick change: MCAway -> MCArkan Action: btami is back (gone 00:01:10) Action: btami is away: work revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "CGI:IRC 0.5 (EOF)" ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. fixe (~adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: derek is away: work ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-246-106.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@3e70d73c.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all jcater: have you got my email with report filters ? Nick change: MCArkan -> MCAway off to lug meeting bye reinhard (~reinhard@M695P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it" revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@3e70d73c.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) fixe (~adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "CGI:IRC 0.5 (EOF)" fixe (~adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. banjara (~nomad@chandratech.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi...i have set up linux/apache/mysql box...now where do i start with GNUe? banjara: what are you interested in Dalroth (~bryan@dsl093-081-179.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_:development and use jamest_: btw also did cvs on the source psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi banjara: I'd start with the cvs forms doc dir there is a developers guide in there ooo wait ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port36.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/ banjara: you can get to the docs there w/o needing open office hi ajmitch: werd meh stupid dsl now that i'm back online, i can watch spamd chew my memory as it cruches the night's mail :) jamest_:thanks...will do a reading later....cooking time now neilt (~neilt@ip68-100-147-178.nv.nv.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. hello all hi neilt Action: psu is downloading some big e-mails from btami w/ the win exes for 0.4.2 of course, the big question is will I have enuf disc space i had this problem last time but thought I'd have time to repartition before the next release so I guess that makes it jamest's fault ;-) psu: how do i get the following drawing on the web site to replace the one currently there psu: http://ash.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/GNUeNewGEASArchitecture201.png psu: i want to replace the one at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/gallery/appserver.php neilt: e-mail it to me & I'll put it up. If you have scp access to ash, you could do it yourself but probably easier for me to do it Just don't e-mail it today (re. my previous commets) ;-) ColeMarcus (~ColeMarcu@p50805355.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: lupo (~lupo@pD9E68C9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. salve ha! just found a way to reclaim a large chunk of space safely umm great rm -rf cvs/gnue/ as i can always get it back... mwhahaha if you have cvs head, there's no use for it right now anyway :) s/have/had/ hey it's not that broken :) well, to be fair, forms is sorta OK in HEAD of course not, it's just that nothing works any logner :) as long as you give it new-style GFDs and Designer is said to be not far behind... yes forms still works quite a bit so it's not worthless Many free s/w projects have HEAD broken for most of the time that's why it's HEAD ;-) yes head is for real men "Nothing is worthless that is made out of chocolate" is one of reinhard's .sigs IIRC chocolate? "As much use as a chocolate teapot" is what we used to say in my family which I never understood as a chocolate teapot, whilst not much good as a teapot mmmm was still chocolate, and hence useful matkor (~matkor@pa58.gliwice.sdi.tpnet.pl) joined #gnuenterprise. it still doesn't match a towl towel /topic #gnuenterprise - see also #chocaholics_anonymous because with towels, you can to anything nah, it's more pizza & donuts here (to use the merkin spellin) donut pizza sick i dunno, derek would love it and these 2 statements contradict each other, how? contradict? hi sick/derek would love it == i see no contradiction :) very true :) :) got myself linux and all setup for getting on with GNUe bye bye MS heh cool banjara we don't set out to be an M$ Access replacement anything to do to setup mysql but we're a pretty good one revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. yeah revDeke! sigh banjara: unless you need myswl for a reason, I would prefer postgres true....i dont hate MS that much....still have it on my notebook psu: really!....so remove it u reckon? banjara: mysql is not the best of databases to use :) psu: have SAPDB too on me all I know is that mysql is not popular and many of our dbdriver problems seem to be mysql specific these 2 facts may be connected, of course like mine yesterday :) if you have sapdb, I would use that as whenever you have peoblems, we have sapdb fanboy revDeke in the channel to help well popularity was the reason i installed....had seen so many references in PHP site so thought must be good plus, it's a stokingly good d/b MySQL is a good choice for a) data warehouse stuff that rarely gets updated whilst users are about b) something to play with non concurrent? b) web site stuff where the only user logged in ever is apache demon ;-) which one most of the GNUe ppl have? rather go with that one as i am so newbie with DB's postgresql, i guess psu: is it demon dosessed db then? :) seems we have some minor press again today will have to check if its in the debian distr.... http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/12/01/1551256.shtml?tid=3 postgresql is certainly in debian banjara: actaully we are looking for a SAP DB guinea pig there is a channel on this network #sapdb that regularly has sap developers in it (europe time) heh, GNUe's not really competition to compiere, they say? :) and if you run into driver issues with gnue for sapdb i can get dan from sapdb to fix them ajmitch well that wouldnt be fair :) why is that? quote - GNUEnterprise (upcoming story), is progressing nicely ... and? it's progressing? i thought this project was dead in the water! ;) ajmitch: it is esp. look at the commit logs not a one this hour and we had a release this week ;-) yeah, it's so depressing with 2 outstanding bugs ;) well, actually last week, but we didn't tell anyone till this week... jcater: well as of late more than hour w/o a commit has me thinking the list or my ai is broked jcater: what shall we do about that mysql fix & the runForm issue? revDeke:i can install SAPDB...if needed...i have yet to start anything on my system ajmitch: if its a biggie for anyone, I say we do 0.4.3 probably only for me :) and i've got the fixes in my local copy jcater: if 0.5.0 will be after jan 1st we need a 0.4.3 to fix the runform as i will need it before then if 0.5.0 will be around jan 1st i think i can wait ajmitch: im begging you do your inventory stuff with gnue-sb and help package it for debian revDeke: to fix runForm, you just uncomment one line ajmitch: cool Action: revDeke is even willing to package a 0.4.3 with the two fixes runform and mysql patches especially if they are done and applied in the branch not yet applied to branch Action: revDeke would suspect a release wouldnt take long and would be worth it am waiting for someone nice to do that :) last call for SAPDB install? banjara: i've never used SAPDB but i'd say go ahead :) is that like "last call for alcohol" ? wish it was that exciting not when i have no DB knowledge and will have install SAPDB... ooooo you have not used sapdb before? nope it might not be the simplest thing for a database newbie to start out with for that matter any DB maybe you should stick with postgres as someone suggested earlier actually, most testing is against that anyway apt-get install postgresql so it's one of the better supported databases since you said you were on debian :) hmmmm......will stick with that.... jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. yup got it with dselect I'm thinking I might have a moment now to do 0.4.2 updates. Should I take the release tarballs, or update to the recent CVS branch? banjara: definitely if no db experience use sapdb jbailey!! ajmitch!! Action: revDeke thought you were saying you had sapdb installed already jbailey: we're still discussing whether to do 0.4.3 after the uncovering of a couple of bugs :) heh - btami's e-mails with the win exes for 0.4.2 finally downloaded but I need to go to bed now Action: ajmitch attempts to cajole jcater into committing those fixes to the branch so not on website until tomorrow now ok revDeke: u serious? night psu :) g'night psu maybe to be soon joined by 0.4.2 debs ;-) ajmitch: if you have patches and jcater is busy i can apply to the branch :) revDeke: ok, just a min unless he doesnt want them there of course jbailey: can you tell ajmitch how to, or whip a how to make gnue debs from what you have? so that we can make the debs? takes note of revDeke emails in times of DB enquiries revDeke: Sure. and then give to you for update ajmitch: apt-get source gnue-* ajmitch: apt-get build-dep gnue-* ajmitch: cd gnue-* ajmitch: debuild revDeke: Anything else? so if you are busy we dont have to bug you to make packaages um i guess i dont get that? as how is a new release in htere? jbailey: of course i'll have to change the tarball & up the debian/changelog version :) ok ajmitch: Yeah. =) ajmitch: any chance you can do that with 0.4.2? ajmitch: But he didn't mention anything about a new release. ;) so we can get those in our gnuenterprise.org site so i can start alpha testing them :) and get them into sid jbailey: true dat revDeke: I certainly have no problem w/0.4.3 I've just been busy with work unusually busy whatever works :) revDeke: derek at gnuenterprise.org ? revDeke: It's not polite to upload someone else's package to Debian. Ajmitch could have a large stick taken to him for doing that. derek@gnue.org jbailey: i can't upload, remember ;) jbailey: but what if he enjoys things like that? ajmitch: Oh, yeah, you're not a DD yet, are you? =) nope jbailey: you missed what i want jcater: =) i meant aj build the package for us so we can get on gnue site and i can start testing it ajmitch: There are three places you need to change: then give to you so you can upload to sid ajmitch: 1) The tarball. 2) debian/changelog 3) The hardcoded date in debian/rules jbailey: ah ok revDeke: patches sent ajmitch: It basically needs to know what the tar directory is set to. k ajmitch: Also, you might have to touch all of the files in debian/patches since dbs updates with -p0 instead of -p1 once someone provides me with a tarball i'll try that :) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("little man you;ve had a busy day..."). ajmitch: I'm looking at changing from dbs to cbs to accomidate that better, though. i'm also going away for the weekend in an hour or tw s/tw/two/ ajmitch: Probably won't look at that until after I get glibc swtiched to debhelper jbailey: what is dbs, what is cbs? doubt that i'll be online much in the next 2-3 days lupo: 'dbs' is "Doogie's build system". 'cbs' is "Colin's Build system". Basically all Debian requires for your packaging is that you take a "ar" archive of all of the files you want in the final distro, and another "ar" archive of all of the control files (preinst, postinst, etc). And it doesn't much care how you get them there. So a series of tools have appeared over the years to make that a little easier on the developper. ah i see colin being colin walters? those debian developers are a lazy bunch of course ajmitch: I think so. debian is the laziest buch of developers. thank god for that, guys! ok, i see him around some gnome channels fairly often :) s/buch/bunch/ also the most pedantic & inclined to flame :) lupo: Also, by policy, you should expect a few makefile targets to work for building packages: debian/rules [binary,binary-indep,build] (phone) i somehow remember them from some software i installed from source - i took a look into the makefile revDeke: got those patches? okay i try to start cvs head designer :) jbailey: thanks for the lesson :) patches received revDeke: thank jcater for the fixes, ajmitch: were the from the 0.4.x branch? yes well cool it will have to wait until tonight to apply ok i will then run some tests and with luck we can have 0.4.3 out by the weekend end ok, hoepfully there's no more problems :) jcater? which this actually will work out nicely as i hope to soon start maintaining the 'stable' series of things so jcater/jamest can forge ahead and not worry about little piddly releases jcater: designer/src/forms/LayoutEditor/LayoutEditor.py, line 168, remove "'" i.e. that means hopefully stuff will be back ported more often and releases will happen to stable frequently while not holding up new development yup great i wonder if jbailey will push me to maintain the debs that'd be a worry :) siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-205-62.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo: designer head is broken hi all jcater: doesn't matter jcater: it will show up a window that closely resembles designer; which means, according to MS standards, "ship it" jcater: and after line 166, add "ft = ''" jcater: he subscribes to 'no such thing as bad head' jcater: just do it, and everything will be fine revDeke: can you explain a few abbrevs in gnue-sb schema? sku, old-sku, upc lupo: I will change those but I'm just warning I committed a broken designer yesterday ok, committed thanx revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "CGI:IRC 0.5" oh Dalroth (~bryan@dsl093-081-179.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: lupo (~lupo@pD9E68C9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" jamest_ (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch: Until you're a DD, I couldn't trust your deb's anyway. ajmitch: Even when I sponsor uploads, I still inspect them first and then rebuild myself. Did the patches ever get applied? Should I update to CVS or use the release debs? Action: derek is back (gone 07:46:36) jbailey: derek said that patches would be applied later ajmitch: Should I wait for them? derek: short work day? :) jbailey: up to you, i certainly would :) ajmitch: *shrug* works for me. Action: jcater should try to become a debian developer some day 'cause, you know, I need a hobby to keep me busy jcater: =) jcater: It's fun entertainment! yeah, real fun is there multiply form for personnel? any native speakers? dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) left irc: "later.." siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-205-62.netcologne.de) left irc: "Client Exiting" ra3vat: ? yes you looking for a multiple form of personnel in english is it exist? revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "CGI:IRC 0.5 (EOF)" foobar (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat: sorry clicked wrong X did you need multiple form of personnel in english? yes, if it exist exists it is the multiple form i.e. foobar: never mind if it is that complicated :) no its not the plural form could be 'persons' er should be 'persons' ok, thanks as personnel is a body of 'persons' usually associated to something like a company i had one more question if you had multiple personnel that you wanted to refer to as plural you drop back to 'persons' revDeke: can you explain a few abbrevs in gnue-sb schema? sku, old-sku, upc um i can explain those :) dict sku it also has upc =) sku is short for 'stock keeping unit' it is a 'number' usually internal to a company that is unique to identifiy a product upc = universal product code it is a 'number' that is 'universal' (not specific to a company) that is unique to identify a product generally the upc number is the barcode on a piece of retail merchandise that portable from comapny to company however it is long and verbose jbailey: thanks, forgot fot that goody most companies carry an internal 'shorter' number (a sku) to maintain their own inventory sometimes they will make own barcodes for things that utilize these sku numbers Action: foobar hopes that readily answers the question sure, thanks old-sku is because the first person instituting gnue-sb is 'porting' from an old system and as part of the 'upgrade' wants a new sku numbering system but during hte transition needs a reference to the old sku