should it matter that I dont have password setup on the user I access postgresql with? SachaS_lunch: http://www.hiper.com.br/python/refactor/ hello all night chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-168-128.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. Isomer (~dahoose@203-167-190-147.dsl.clear.net.nz) left irc: "EPIC! Accept specific limitations on WHO" sigh I hate trying new packages Action: jcater is getting like derek Action: jcater gets to file a bug against pygtk now :) why? it makes some non-robust assumptions DB000: File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/gtk2/UIdriver.py", line 62, in ? DB000: pygtk.require('2.0') DB000: File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/pygtk.py", line 47, in require DB000: versions = _get_available_versions() DB000: File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/pygtk.py", line 34, in _get_available_versions DB000: for filename in os.listdir(dir): DB000: OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/gnue/import' ooh doh I don't see a bug tracker hmm should I send to the mailing list? geeg:~/topsew> apt-cache search python|wc -l 514 egads gack bugzilla truly sucks the big one I didnt find it very intuitive ok, I better sleep now night all jcater (~jcater@66.61.83.220) left irc: "nite" I second that psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi * hello psu good morning ;-) cold morning, anyway ra3vat_ thanks for the link. do you got one for ruby ;) Nick change: SachaS_lunch -> SachaS neighborlee (~neighborl@12-230-187-116.client.attbi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi neighborlee psu: hi..;-)..if possible what combo of packages do I need to try to utilize my .mdb in linux.. psu: doing some reading and i'm not quite sure how to procede if at all..;-) neighborlee: well, assuming your Acess database is fairlsy simple & not too much VBA good question..I think its pretty basic yes..I used template and went from there adding nothing new you can use pgadmin to convert the base database from mdb to PostgreSQL ie: office template from msaccess..and customized basically just my invoice form and then use GNUe Forms and GNUe Reports to replace your Access forms and reports right hmm ...will pgadmin run in linux alone or does this transfer have to take place from a windows machine > linbox Not sure k i'll check it out..thx ;)) I *think* you'd have to access the pgadmin client from the Windows machine yeah i'm wondering.. as that is the only thing that can ё"see" the mdb reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. as that is the only thing that can ё"see" the mdb well..not option anymore..i'm strictly linux now "see" the mdb yeah well I take that back..I run dual boot system for now RH8/win98 but that prob. wont help me hmm Action: psu has had that problem, too ;) where I've needed the two sides of a dual boot to be networked to each other well..if need be I guess I could export all my tables and just start from scratch ;-) psu: sounds scarry..;) but I supose doable through /mnt ? sounds impossible, barring some vmware type funky magic yeah..;-) I think I tried this when I had win98 > hub> rh7.3 system..but i'm not sure it worked..I better check there first ( rh7.3 duals with win98 on /dev/hdb) to see if I can salvage anything Were it not for the freedom issues (which, being M$ are massive) Access is actually quite a good GUI/developement environment Of course, the mdb format is the pits as it's really just a file database dressed up psu: yeah its not bad..I used it..hate the form design gui ( those nasty page separators-never could get hang of them too well) but yeah it served its purpose..but now being a linux purist i've no choice.. We did have someone in the channel running their whole inventory system on Access Multi-user, too SachaS: never heard The only way they could make it work was to re-compress the file every 15 minutes ;-\ psu: gez ;)) Needless to say, he was very interested in a GNUe-based replacement ;-) :)LOL..i can imagine..ewww!! I think my brain is too fried to consider much more tonight...between this and game development considerations I'm bout tapped.....well I guess I'd better boot over to rh7.3 part and see if anything is there waiting for me...cu later and thx again..;-))) np ;) ra3vat_ (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection neighborlee (~neighborl@12-230-187-116.client.attbi.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("work time..."). ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. Remosi (dahoose@port-219-88-246-195.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Nick change: SachaS_off -> SachaS siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-205-247.netcologne.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection Action: drochaid is back (gone 11:39:44) jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There's always one more imbecile than you expect" Nick change: SachaS -> SachaS_away Nick change: SachaS_away -> SachaS revDeke: Do I get 0.4.3 packages soon?=) thursday perhaps? Friday if you'd prefer. 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Action: revDeke always automatically drops the numbers in irc names (why i dont know) so i read vee2d2 as vee d and think VD as in Verinal Disease (and think man someone almost as twisted as me, certainly twisted enough to be in this channel) then re-read v2d2 and think dang, might be too normal to be here :) dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) joined #gnuenterprise. larsu (~larsu@dhcp024-210-203-244.woh.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) heh this is turning into one of those mornings when it would have been better to not touch anything.. =/ isn't every morning? no, this one is definately special. =/ hopefully the day will improve when mister oops^H^H^H^Hups gets here.. jcater: tell me a morning where you really thought it would have been better to not touch a donut? 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Action: revDeke is dying laughing..... vegan natural flavors ;) 2 packs of donuts that's just plain wrong even vegan products have the 'misc ingredent category' revDeke: It's a donut. low calorie health donuts at that anything less than a dozen isn't worth eating revDeke: Nowhere does it claim that it's *good* for you. maybe half-dozen packs for the infants jcater: They have to be shrinkwrapped for shipping. You wouldn't want to pay the shipping cost on just one or two, anyway. On the customs declaration, they'er labeled as "non-perishable food item" jcater: wife said if i could find one of these under $100 (http://www.bakeryequipment.com/donut-equipment/fryers/new-countertop/belshaw/MarkIV.htm) that i could get you it for xmas psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. rofl That's a challenge if I've ever heard one. i did find a slightly used one for $1500.... it was a mini donut maker makes 800 mini donuts an hour Action: revDeke thought that was right about jcater's consumption http://www.geocities.com/jonnistore/minidonut.htm however its not under a $100 so no dice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2078522806 is under a hundred but i would have to buy 10 or 15 to satisfy the cravings ;) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "restarting x" dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,754371,00.asp is hilarious what this article FAILS to mention is they are beating people that actually DID agree to upgrade as it applies to office as well so before one could connect from home windows pc and access a terminal server machine and use terminal server version of office under this 'change' every person capable of connecting from home needs pay 170 dollars to connect to a machine offerring office under terminal services of course the answer would be fine we wont upgrade our terminal servers or office on them and we will use the old agreement we had there under the 'grandfather clause' only mickeysoft says 'you didnt read your contract fool' under the new enterprise agreement you signed you agreed to give all rights you had to any prior grand father agreements so you dont OWN licenses to the old software anymore bi0tch... fork over the 170 per employee Action: revDeke wonders if the same companies buying this crap are willing to lease a building that has a contract that says 'if at any point for any reason we want you gone you can be gone immediately' as software licensing microsoft style basically states 'you do not own the software, you own the right to use it' (similar to a lease) only it has the clause of 'if we feel you have wronged us we can without reason pull and terminate all licenses from you at a whim' at least in building leases you have set number of days and stipulations to getting booted etc Isomer (dahoose@port-210-54-58-161.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo (~lupo@pD9542B2E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. is there a wway in python to test a variable & assign it at same time e.g. if s := function ( ) then can just do foo = s rather than foo = function () ? ? this? >>> b = 1 >>> a = b == 1 or 2 >>> print a 1 >>> a = b == 3 or 2 >>> print a 2 or a bit more >>> a = b == 3 and b or 2 >>> a 2 >>> b = 3 >>> a = b == 3 and b or 2 >>> a 3 it's like c's ?: operator or am I misunderstanding what you want no I'm just v bad at explaining it I *think*, given that == is always a comparison and = an assignment it's just if s = ( function () ) given that function () returnsboolean i don't think you can to that i think the = in an if generates an error yeah it just seems a shame to do theoretically you *should* be able to as you can do a = b = foo() if verylongfunctionreturningtrueorfalse: but if (b = foo()) doesn't work I don't understand python's design logic there foo = verylongfunctionreturningtrueorfalse but if that's the way the cookie crumbles what's foo set to if false? ? he's calling that function twice why not foo = TFfunction() if not foo: set to false value or if foo has a deafult value foo = TFfuntion() or 'Hi Jason!' but the real question is how does bar() factor in ;) right in the middle useusally usually the goat brings it well, if foo is false it doesn't matter as I never use it I only use it if it's true lupo (~lupo@pD9542B2E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" I have no problems calculating the function twice (once to test, once to assign) just surprised as normally python is more "elegant" than this wow search usenet for it Action: jcater is still lost exactly what you're trying to accomplish he's trying to if TFfunctoin(): foo = TFfunctoin() so what's wrong with foo = TFfunction() or foo ? replaced with if foo = TFfunctoin(): use foo in the if which seems really odd so maybe I'm misunderstanding something I suppose I'm really saying I want to do a C-style test&assign at same time but I understand *why* python doesn't seem to allow this oh, you still need an if: block even after the assignment? as interpreting if foo = bar: as an assignment would be sublte bug city, Arizona Idea is that I need to be able to refer to the results of my test several times within the blocl block, even i just 2 step those foo = blah() if foo == condition: it's just a little more typing but I don't think it costs you anything in cpu cycles it doesn't bbiaf jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" question re: navigation in forms (curses): how do i move the cursor into a detail block? page down or page up jamest: thanks. seems as though dtterm (solaris) isn't playing nice with pgup and pgdown. which form you trying? one i wrote myself try the sample intro.gfd ok that will confirm if it's working or not it isn't responding: nothing happens when i press pgdown. dtterm is eating the key strokes. well you running which version? keymapper support has never been officially announced but a cvs version from a couple of weeks ago. don't believe me that dtterm is the problem? when i press pageup, the screen scrolls up. i'm pretty sure it's dtterm. in your gnue.conf (systemwide or local .gnue/gnue.conf file put [forms] key_NEXTBLOCK=F3 key_PREVBLOCK=F4 replacing F3 and F4 with a character you'd like to test ahh, i see. ok i'll try that workaround. thanks. i know it works in cvs head and I think i backported the patches in 0.4.2 to make it work there too i have forms/src on the forms-0-4-1-branch branch. should i switch to another branch? that would be fine it should work jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sweet! it's working. thanks jamest! btami (~btami@3e70d72d.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. woohoo. gotta love that curses interface. hi all is there any chace someone apply the fix in GFDisplayHandler.py line #88 ? # if (self.handleCR and type(self.display)=='str'): now it fails on win32 'cause self.handleCR=1 on win32 and self.display is not str, but numeric jamest and jan promised to look at 3 times before :) sure we promised :) but we suck at keeping promises committing jamest, thanks i can't test commited "i can't test" == i take the piled up frustrations from the l'users at work and release them on unsuspecting gnue users for fun ....muhahhahahaha Action: revDeke still loves the quick snippet i saw last night jamest: aj can you test gtk2 driver against head aj: sure aj: hmmm buttons arent showing up aj: hmm here is error i can't test == my forms is borked beyond any hope of executing in the next few hours jamest: oh curses had that error let me fix that jamest: ok try again aj: trying aj: gack.... my gnome panel disappeared aj: gack my window manager crashed aj: this isnt good ajmitch quit "client not responding"..... jamest: hmmm i wonder if he was logged in as derek.... DB000: File "c:\python22\Lib\site-packages\gnue\designer\forms\PropertyEditor.py", line 36, in ? DB000: from ToolPanel import * DB000: ImportError: No module named ToolPanel i just wanted to try :) this cvs head? yes hmm wonder why that didn't install our derek detection routines are screwed up in designer thus all the segfaults ssssh don't tell them about the segfaults there is ToolPanel.py, just one dir up gnome-panel just segfaulted :) i think those are words to live by opps let me give proper sequences after alledgedly fixing a problem BoFH asks: that work? user relucantly replies: gnome-panel just segfaulted :) i don't see the problem looks like i got the desired result :) well what i love is is the ": )" at the end like the user was happy thats _all_ the poor BoFH did to him this time damn straight psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. if you're not masochistic you don't belong in GNUe look at jcater for instance he _enjoys_ working on this stuff /msg jamest thats cause i keep telling him there a never ending box of donuts at the end of the rainbow... (he is dumb(or hungry) enough to buy it) what? there's not damn I quit jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" way to go derek jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. /msg revDeke at least he has a short memory what? were we talking about something? nothing important you coding? well, I'm debating I want to code but all the stuff is boring so I think I want to start GNUe Foobulator how's that sound? um what's it do? it uses common, silly and foobulates will it allow me to configure the amount of foobulation to suit my tastes? I wouldn't expect that until 0.2.0 ok, feel free to proceed Will it have a goatrape scene for its logo too? why wouldn't it? hey now don't knock my logo jcater: I love that logo. It just SCREAMS "GNUe" =) it does i love it too however I'm not sure it's the impression we'd like to make with CTOs examining our product are display masks functional in forms-0-4-1-branch ? no ok :( no problemo fixe (adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@3e70d72d.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) matkor (~matkor@pa58.gliwice.sdi.tpnet.pl) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi i see i've been getting like derek :) if one goes by his reporting ? ajmitch: don't be so hard on yourselg yourself him talking about me - because stuff was segfaulting here as i played with gnue lol you're not that bad yet :) tetrinet on gandalf. =) oh no whois jj? :) dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) left irc: "later.." ajmitch: Coworker. ok revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. larsu (~larsu@dhcp024-210-203-244.woh.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. matkor (~matkor@pa58.gliwice.sdi.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Client Exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" blurr (~joe@dhcp-0-5-5d-e9-88-8d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. blurr (~joe@dhcp-0-5-5d-e9-88-8d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "For each complex problem, there is a simple, understandable, obvious, and wrong solution" dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port36.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port36.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. 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KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left irc: "later" dyfet (~dyfet@dsl-65-188-113-57.telocity.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dyfet (~dyfet@dsl-65-188-113-57.telocity.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater (~jcater@66.61.83.220) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. man los alamos national laboratory is working on itsy-bitsy clusters.. for "suborbital missle and onboard sonars" ... that is just too freakin cool chillywilly (~danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi chilly jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. check this out ya'll man los alamos national laboratory is working on itsy-bitsy clusters.. for "suborbital missle and onboard sonars" ... that is just too freakin cool Action: Mr_You wants a cluster for a wrist watch. hi Mr_You just for novelty a "cluster" ? whatcha mean? no, what do you mean in what sentence? what's a "cluster"? as referred to in that sentence one or more computers working together ok a cluster in the wrist watch? how the hell would yo use a cluster for a wrist watch? er, you tell me the time ;-) what else? you can't wear several computers on your wrist if it had radio reception it could stay in sync with national observatory or such..