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Action: psu notes that, if we can get 0.4.3 out of the door by 15th, we will have had 3 releases in a month "Eat lead, you saying-GNUe-never-releases no-good-nik!" or something SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-28.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hmmm my insomnia had me watching TLC tonight and there was a good little show about 'hackers' had ESR and President of EFF on it in fact it had a _lot_ about EFF 0.4.3 pre-releases on website cool who finally packaged them? jcater if you get TLC i would check out the replay this Friday or Sunday http://tlc.discovery.com/tuneins/hackers2.html 0.4.2.99 ob website cool interesting Action: derek is away: sleep or something like that Dial-IN (~Dial-IN@CPE-144-137-209-200.sa.bigpond.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. hey ppls howdy im having a problem with compiling the nvidia drivers into my kernel, it gives an error saying that it cant compile due to the compiler being different from the one used to compile the kernel, how can i fix this? i have force compiled the drivers, and it works in KDE3 for about 10 secs before having a hard freeze, causing me to restart. anyone know how to fix this problem? *shrug* build a new kernel, too? grrr, i tried that, fscking thing died, not very good at it there are quite a few options these days.. hrmmm Dial-IN: I'm assuming that there's no way anywhere you can find a pre-compiled kernel with them already in? 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ColeMarcus (ColeMarcus@p50805763.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@81.98.44.42) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@81.98.44.42) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-207-160.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all howdoo a bit above someone talked about Eiffel what kind of language is Eiffel? relies a lot on pre-conditions and post-conditions supposedly self-debugging coding style http://archive.eiffel.com/eiffel/nutshell.html jcater: the point was could do some self debugging in areas of high reuse but with a flag turn them off Action: revDeke was merely asking what you thought not saying it was right or wrong yeah it's something to think about btw: i got RDP (window terminal services protocol) working under debian!!!!! cool apt-get install rdesktop; rdesktop remotemachinename much faster than vnc (and meets auditors requirements) yeah that's more like an ltsp setup than a vnc setup iirc but I could be wrong but cool that it works very similar Action: revDeke is just glad i dont have to have windows to work from home :) and still get to use a GPL client does anyone know of a vendor that scans documents to images? I did a few years ago but not anymore i.e. if i had several thousand documents i needed scanned in to digital archive Action: jcater forgets their name is there someone you would suggest? or a place to start looking? (short of google) not I kinkos? jcater: did you use these guys: http://www.scanstore.com/Services/ i notice they are in knoxville,tn Action: jcater didn't *use* anyone we have a $8,000 scanner here but we ran across several that's why I say I can't recommend anyone I might try a portable scanner one day. revDeke: how many documents are you talking about? this a one-shot deal? I don't know anything about them atm. lots or some long-term thing? Action: Vee2d2 ponders how ocr solutions are doing in linux these days revDeke: OCR or just imaging? derek: hire someones kid or something? ;-) revDeke: http://www.scanstore.com/Services/ that picture at the top that's the scanner I have bbl collecting dust on top of my check cabinet :) you want a job sure are you talking just imaging? or ocr, etc? let me get more info just a minute morning lads ok 75 master plans (i.e. bigger than 8-1/2 x 11) more like architectural drawing size one time shot prefer something in state to drop off and return but not mandatory OCR not necessary master plans? this larger than 11x17? how would you do that? cut them up and reassemble digitally? =) dude you're gonna have to find a cad scanning service for that more than likely Jens2 (AC14C580@nat-wohnheime.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection if it's what I think you're talking about Action: Vee2d2 gets out some craft scissors jcater: im doing google for 'digitized blueprints' now and finding lots of stuff Action: revDeke had no details until just now, other than looking for high volume scanner (on voice mail) what is the status for scrollbar? http://www.arizonaengineering.com/services/reprographics.html seems to fit the bill ColeMarcus (ColeMarcus@p50805763.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "'Hardware' defines as the parts of a computer system that can be kicked" jan (jan@xdsl-213-168-111-183.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-207-160.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) wow gnu.org has upgraded mailman apparently very different broke a few things too dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) left #gnuenterprise. the gnue-sb lists look rather quiet yeah well it's broken on fencepost that's why send a message and it gets returned :-/ hmm? the mailman list is set up but there's no mail alias created is it broken on fencepost or monty-python? so you see it on the mailman list of available mailing lists oh well it's broken and which list are you talking about? :) on the mail server gnue-sb-discuss gnue-sb-commits Action: jcater may have a message laying around.... both? hmm that's bad > > > >: host mx10.gnu.org[199.232.76.166] said: > 550 > > unknown user (in reply to RCPT TO command) > >Reporting-MTA: dns; server11.safepages.com when dude changed us from gnu to nongnu and back to gnu, the alias got screwed up ok any chance you can pull some strings for us? dunno, jbailey would be the one to ask if you can hunt him down :) I heard 'im say he would be 'out' until tomorrow well.. heard it with my eyes anyway bother jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. fix it jk jbailey: new 0.4.3 tar balls are ready to be made into debs :) (or will be if no one gives bad feedback) I may as wait until the final release. How long are you waiting? jbailey! just the person we were looking for :) my eyes must've deceived me ajmitch: `we'? jbailey: jcater told me that the gnue-sb mailing lists are broken, can you fix or tell us who to whinge to? ;) Try them again. I think all of the majordomo stuff is sorted out now. try them again? you mean delete the list and remake? no, like send a message or something. I thought all the problems were supposed to be fixed as of yesterday or something. i sent mail to commit list waiting for bounce or complaint Hmm. I'd send a message to either savannah-hackers or sysadmin then. The current mailman config scares me. heh lol that's reassuring

: host mx10.gnu.org[199.232.76.166] said: 550 unknown user still got that even better, i get 404 on http://monty-python.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnue-sb-commits somehow it rewrote the hostname :) same url with mail.gnu.org works jamest: I pay not be able to lay out with HTML on a perfect grid. =( and here i thought no one loved gnue-sb ;) s/pay/may/ revDeke: noone does ;) I pay not too Jens2 (AC14C580@nat-wohnheime.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). gack revDeke: I think I'm gonna have to stop hanging out in #sapdb seems they only speak german these days :-0 only german I speak is "bratwurst" hah as long as you dont speak "sauerkraut" im with ya hm.. hungry mmmmm too bad wife doesn't like grilled brats as that sounds good for dinner tell her they are 'german chicken strips' "But where's the breading???" hmm, i'll have to try chicken strips one day :) tofu strips are yummy too sprinkle some cracker crumbs on hers before you toss on grill memmett: you get relegated to eating lunch with jbailey if you can call that lunch revDeke: is that bad? i think that it's an act of masochism blurr (~joe@dhcp-0-5-5d-e9-88-8d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. blurr (~joe@dhcp-0-5-5d-e9-88-8d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). jan (jan@xdsl-213-168-111-183.netcologne.de) left irc: "testing paragon harddisk manager" any german speakers here? bratwurst sauerkraut probably all in bed... its all the bier they drink well in that case guess im going home revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. any one tried out the 0.4.3 stuff? or have any objections to doing an actual release tonight? 0.5.0 is practically ready too but would like to see it get some heavy pounding in the next week or two release it works great If you do the release tonight, you'll get debs tomorrow afternoon. release it! (ACtually, if you do the release anytime before, say 15h00 (-0500) tomorrow, you'll get gets about an hour after that) #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jcater' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. Topic changed on #gnuenterprise by jcater!~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net: New releases of Forms and Common (0.4.3) at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/current.php! #gnuenterprise: mode change '-o jcater' by jcater!~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net otay Does the release have man pages? they should of course that's why I post prereleases Okay, cool so others will help me verify everything is included >:) jcater: I'm used to generating my own tarballs with sdist, and that doesn't make man pages, so just checking. Someone Action: jbailey glares at derek filed a bug because the Debian packages didn't have man pages. jbailey: it will if you run ./setup-cvs.py against your cvs repository as I don't create man pages... sdist does it for me Ah, intereting. but sdist likes to see ~/bin/gf* Will the man pages be named correctly? I don't want them with the names from ~/bin/ chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. yeah gnue-forms.1 gnue-designer.1 Okay, cool. et al that's hardcoded by each client so even though you are running gfcvs it thinks its gnue-forms maybe not ideal but works great for man pages :) hi *lol* Thinking of high. kewl a new episode of "Taken" on scifi channel I beleive the report is official. The governmental committee is recommending that anything under 30 grams of pot for possesion not be considered criminal. hello!!! McFly!!!! HEH And there's talk of a retroactive pardon for anyone in prison for those amounts. heh dude that'd have to be a bittersweet moment for those ppl sweet in that they get out bitter as in the question has to be asked, wtf were they doing there in the first place :) I'm thinking that it will increase tourism dramatically. =) hrrrm rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. legalizing drugs.... chillywilly: drugs more powerful than pot ARE legal nicotine caffeine .... GNUe tetrinet!!! (well, if MS has their way, GNUe may be illegal too) Action: chillywilly shoots up with the tetrinet drug of course, I'm not gonna get into the whole stupidity of a "War on Drugs" anyway as I'm GNUe'n at the moment and don't want to break my productivity cycle a war on any abstract concept is a stupid thing, imho chillywilly: As one friend of mine enjoys pointing out: "And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth..." jbailey: don't go there... "War on Drugs", "War on Terrorism", ... "War on Piracy" The US just seems to like war. come down here and say that :) Action: jcater still grasps with the concept of declaring war on an abstract thing :) jamest: I keep my mouth very shut when I'm in the US. me too Too risky being a foreigner in the US. oh plz I have to go to the US twice next year, and I'm not happy about it in either case. KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. hello! Although if any gnue folks want to do a keysigning, i'll be in Madison in February and Boston in March. =) Action: jcater worries when people have that much enthusiasm in #gnuenterprise :) jbailey: I would meet you for dinner sometime but I have to have meat :)_ (And nova scotia in march, but I think my wife would probably not like me taking time out from our 1yr aniversary for a key signing *g8) jcater: Which city? and donuts jbailey: thought you were gonna be in Madison, WI? jbailey: I dunno which limits you to Krispy's Kremy BBQ Action: jcater was joking re the vegan thing chillywilly: In February, yes. we can hook up then ;) jcater: That's fine. =) Do I get to pick the restaurant? =) and I am willing to eat Vegan ;) Some meat would be funny to watch someone eat. =) I eat most anything jcater: You don't know which city you live in? except penguin hehe, there was a funny comment on the "Taken" show out of respect the guys goes oh that's where yo geta ll the vegetarians jbailey: Memphis they thin if you don;t eat them they'll live forever then he asks them if the y ever went hunting half a day or less drive from Nashville, St Louis, New Orleans, Little Rock, .... then the guy says he felt bad when he shot a deer and the guy goes you're supposed to feel bad jcater: Hmm. it lets you know what price has to be paid so yo can live jcater: THe only thing I know about memphis is that's where the Firm was situated. chillywilly: But the price doesn't have to be paid. <8 hrs from Dallas/Ft Worth Oh! I'll be in Dallas/Ft Worth in 2004. I might be there for a whole week. Action: jcater wishes there were more free/open source shows in Texas area as I'm down there frequently and it's a large enough area to warrent such shows jbailey: don't you have to go out of your way to supplement your diet in order to gett he proper proteins that meat would normally give you? chillywilly: No. chillywilly: I take no vitamine suppliments. he's powered by monitor emmisions chillywilly: Which freaked my doctor out until she did blood tests. like most true computer geeks chillywilly: The one thing that I have to sort of pay attention to is b12, so the soymilk I have on my cerial is fortified, but that's no stranger than cow's milk being fortified with D and A. It was funny. My doctor spazzed when she found out I didn't take vitamines. =) Not often you get to say "I told you so" to a doctor. =) hrm... The US just seems to like war. rdean: It does seem to be a favourite term in headlines and such. we don't like war....we like to threaten war to get people to do what we want, or to stop them from doing what we don't want. ooooo ok too bad that has nothing to do with the US citizens cause we have no voice in politics... we are officially released source on website it gets old, I admit...but it's a policy of deterrence announcement has gone out and most importantly.... topic has been changed jcater: Excellent! and we like anything that justifies tapping into Alaska's wildlife refuge's oil supplies rdean: I guess I mean more generically than that. KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left irc: "later" Like Dan was saying "war on drugs" "war on terrorism" and we like leveling tree's to build shiney new building when whole sections of our cites are already run down and could easily replace