yup, tried running them on windows today no luck yet with pygtk on win32, got to install win95 tonight to get that working :) hopefully btami will be able to do some Windows *.exes and jbailey some debians and then it's full steam ahead to 0.5.0 for everyone! yup Action: psu had better go upstairs & post the announcement from the other PC (the one with the website files on it) psu (psu@81.98.44.42) left #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. wb heh reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. website updated for new (0.4.3) release btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi btami hi psu we have new 0.4.3 releases for Forms & Common yes, i'm reading mails now if i can, i will post you exe's today Not Found The requested URL /news/news123.php was not found on this server. btami: and list prerequisities again, if possible :) hi all when clicking the 'More...' link below the announce hi ra3vat wait a min btami: no btami: i'm going to try & get gtk2 driver working on windows :) i meant, if you will use other ones for new exes ra3vat: ok Vee2d2: that;s ok, we issue release news on a need to know basis ;-) or, more likely, I messed up Action: psu is checking now =) how weird - the article appears to have gone missing re-done it - should work now "works for me" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("off to the day job..."). ajmitch: [Gnue-dev] addition to GTK2 UI install README 2002.aug. http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/gnue-dev/2002-August/000259.html jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. so, what's on the insoniac theatre tonight? morning =) python code sure is funky looking.. yo jcater word if anyone if anyone's interested, I have a copy of the new 0.5.0 Developer's Guide at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/forms/ much expanded btami: yup, that's sort of what i have, except i have an installer for that lot :) and updated to reflect the new changes to the layout/logic separation ooh oooooh OOOH! Action: ajmitch runs & looks the old docs (0.4.x) are moved to http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/forms-0.4.x/ 66 pages of Forms Fun! ajmitch: what installer?, url? btami: one moment http://www.dropline.net/jade/downloads/GTK+%20Runtime%20Environment%202.0.9.1.exe that has an installer for the gtk+ stuff thanks http://www.mail-archive.com/pygtk@daa.com.au/msg04984.html that's where i got the link from grrrr with http://www.pcpm.ucl.ac.be/~gustin/win32_ports/PyGtk-1.99.13.win32.exe ps2pdf screwed up my document oh :( how so? dropped out any list bullet points and did funny color effects to any screenshots the fonts also look crap in ggv, but that could just be the stuff i'm using :) ah, the fonts are fine in the ps version man looking through this thing I have a lot of odd typos heh jcater: it's worrying that you were getting designer segfaulting - perhaps pushing python or wxpython into bugzones? :) I got it straightened out great i'm just looking over commit logs for the last few days :) we've had a few lately hmm.. it's friday the 13th only for another 99 minutes gack it's 3:21am I should probably sleep =) yep night ;) I gotta meet a client in a few hours better commit my report changes first.... :) ok, night jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "bed" minddog (minddog@ip68-98-85-105.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. heayas hello guess its dead US coders have just filed off to bed, i think heh i am a US coder and european ones are at work :) so what's your interest in GNUe, sir? hrmm hows the db migration tool ...coming along alright, i think :) Action: minddog just wrote php's echo function w00t except i prolly killed the stack with inline assembly i have no idea if i should touch the stack heh okay im gonna learn this ;) what, GNUe? :) this stack manipulation with IL 3am im ready for coffee Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. fixe (adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Client Quit fixe (adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. paul (~Stuart@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement)) Stuart (~Stuart@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. vrooom revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. afternoon doh! those .sxw files are slightly annoying... but at least the docs on are on the website too :) hmmmm. spoke too soon. are there any html versions of the reports/doc/*.sxw files around? what's wrong with the sxw's? i can't read them no openoffice? nope, neither at work nor home unfortunetly memmett: http://freshmeat.net/projects/sxw2html/ in case the website is not always most current that is a 'cheap' (cost and resource) way to get sxw viewable to you revDeke: thanks, i'll check it out Stuart (~Stuart@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" which does html2pdf and you could be golden to get printable documents http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/5247/ html2pdf likely sxw2html will produce ugly html and so html2pdf would be fairly worthless, but you could try Barbicane (jzeigler@barbicane.wopn.freenode) joined #gnuenterprise. ColeMarcus (ColeMarcus@p50805FF1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. well, sxw2html worked for Concept-Guide.sxw but no Tech-Reference.sxw (unzip choked). oh well, i'll read the concept guide for now. btami (~btami@3e70d73c.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi jcater: thanks for commiting patches jcater: please correct the reports setup.py line 254 to: "gnue.reports.adapters.filters.SimpleTabulation.tabulator.formatters", is there a way to put a raw sql query as a datasource for reports? (i've got a bunch of queries already written) memmett: as i know, not but use them as views in the db psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. yeah, i could do that. kind of a funny spot for them though. psu: hi hi btami exe's sended but not tested too much :) np btami: im pretty certain at 'one time' raw queriers were supported in both forms and reports i would suggest doing what you have done adn simply make them views then have reports use the 'view' ok. kinda hard to parameterize them that way, but doable. s/hard/annoying/ memmett: again i DO think you can do queries in the report itself revDeke: ok, i'll do some digging... actually you want to do as views and then use report params to filter it will be MUCH easier hmm, good idea i'll just add a prefix to the views to keep things tidy. if this irc client cut and pasted worth a crap i would paste and example for you hehe... not to worry. thanks tho. or somethign similar thanks! that would only get results where your_view_name.fieldname = the value of (parametername) Action: revDeke notes that worked on OLD reports so no guarantee how much it has or hasnt changed ok My cable internet requires use of a firewall, either "Zone Alarm Pro for PC users" (I think they mean M$ Windows users) or "lpchains for Linux users" Action: memmett is impressed, as usual, with the help he gets from #gnuenterprise! hmmm. memmet: Developers-Guide page 14/15 memmett: i try to point people to our vast and useful documentation but when i give the url irc.freenode.net #gnuenterprise generally they get confused ;) :) psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. btami: thanks "thanks" redirected to jcater :) bue mm sorry, it had to be bye :) Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Bye :)" btami (~btami@3e70d73c.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Hi! anyone here? dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) left irc: "later.." anyone here? sorta bigbrother joined #gnuenterprise. Stuart (~Stuart@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. stu wassup jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. fixe (adam@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) I'm about to do the final packaging for the 0.4 branch for Debian based on the 0.4.3 packages. Object now if you want. all objections overruled, release the goats! Why is designer still 0.4.2? No changes? Hmm. And reports is still only 0.1.0 because the 0.4.3 stuff was for specific bug fixes not a general release cycle Okay. jcater: at some point we will need to decide if we want to 'always' synch release of like items or not i.e. release a designer 0.4.3 even if it has no changes from 0.4.2 except a version number Action: revDeke doesnt care one way or another just its a matter if we tell people forms/designer/common should all be same version number or not ColeMarcus (ColeMarcus@p50805FF1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: in the past we've tried to say any 0.1.x was compat w/any other 0.1.x api wise Action: jcater thinks the 0.x part should try to stay in synch ok I'm still only doing wx debs for the 0.4 series. but that's just mho as stated im not a stickler either way we decide jbailey: slacker jbailey- i think thats fine as gtk2 isnt really usable its more in 'testing stages' i assume the same goes for curses you willing to package gnue-sb too? ;) revDeke: Probably, but after glibc is feeling a bit better. jbailey: i have been meaning to look at deb packaging and try to get gist of it gnue-sb isn't related to my work unless we start using it for purcahse ordes. and try to get maintainer status so it goes under my "debian hacking time And glibc get priority in that bin. or get ajmistch to be a maintainer :) hi Barbicane didnt see you here earlier revDeke: Debian packaging is really simple - The hard part is complying with all the policies. jbailey: amen! Action: jcater did packaging for our tools in an afternoon Action: jcater wouldn't venture a guess as to how many policies I broke ;) Wasn't too bad, but it was a couple of hours to get the important ones, I think. of course I cheated but that's another story =) Did you ever compare my packaging to yours? no revDeke: Why would you want to learn Debian packaging? Too much spare time? =) lol dude y'all don't want him working w/deb packaging he already reports enough bugs w/the end-user packages you really want him reporting bug after bug for debhelper and friends? !! ROFL bigbrother joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. you gonna get to gnue this weekend? welcome back, bots Who are you asking what of? revDeke: I don't understand your bug report 171543 jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: wb. thx Did you time out before you saw my question? um possibly Who are you asking what of? what? asking what? you gonna get to gnue this weekend? lol wrong window Oh good. I was just worried that it was directed at me re: the HTML UI driver. =) morning afternoon Heya Andrew. i cant easily view bug reports for debian w/o report bug mind giving me a url to bug report in question so i can explain revDeke: bugs.debian.org/171543 =) I see nothing that indicates that the output filters are intended to be installed. hmm? ah, output filters someone is doing to need to do up a developer's guide for reports ;) sigh revDeke: So either your bug report is spurious, or its an upstream bug. btw I have the 0.5.0 developer's guide up now in case anyone missed the announcement last night jbailey: i think maybe output filters should be done like UI and DB drivers i.e. http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/forms/ --> 0.5.0 docs gnue-reports-mailmerge http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/forms-0.4.x/ --> 0.4.x docs jcater: don't worry, i won't push too hard :) etc etc etc revDeke: Is there any good reason to separate them? gnue-reports-html What advantage? it's considered rude to demand stuff when you're not contributing jbailey: same reason as db drivers and ui drivers different filters will require different dependencies and one might not want all filters Is there different dependencies? sigh, i've got to learn the windows printing stuff so i can do a filter there well simpletabulations i assume since its xslt based reqires pysablotron Hmm jcater: would be ultimate authority and expert as to how he would liked packaged um i.e. anyone can write one I'm still up in the air but i see filters as being like a 'plugin' almost revDeke: Bah. My packages. I'm the ultimate authority. =) I think that's 0.3.0 we will have 'preferred' ones level thinking myself for the record so they are in my mind similar to dbdrivers and/or uidrivers SimpleTabulations is a demo of the engine or such, but we need something now or reports debs are dead in water and isn't necessarily meant to be the reporting standard jcater: yes i know jbailey reports is largely useless w/o filters (imho) so we need to package filters whether its part of the main deb or whether we do like ui and db drivers is no bother to me whatever you all feel is best revDeke: If there's different dependencies then I will make separate packages. Action: revDeke thinks the bug still stands, you and jcater can argue about whether its upstream or not :) Anything with common dependencies will get a common package. bug? Action: jcater missed something jcater: Default install run of reports doesn't install filters. this the man pages? gack that's a bug jcater: the bug i reported was no report filters installed with reports jbailey thought this was an 'upstream' bug because a reports install didnt install any either (or didnt appear to) Action: revDeke was stating my bug still stands (i.e. it should install filters) but you and him could argue about whether it was upstream or not : ) um it doesn't ? revDeke: Basically the thought is that if it's not important enough for upstream to install it, it's not necessary for the package to run. =) it should it was jbailey: i understand your point thats why i said you and jcater could discuss it :) as i dont know if the upstream installs it or not Action: revDeke thinks it needs to Jens2 (AC14C580@nat-wohnheime.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) left irc: "[x]chat" jcater: find doesn't show up 'html.xsl' in the install directory at all. the other issue i had was will we be having 'docs' and 'samples' packages Action: revDeke remembers that debian likes those separately Action: revDeke thinks we need 'samples' Action: Mr_You has one small suggestion.. a CHANGES log file online so you can see if its worth upgrading to you or not as we become more stable s/stable/bugless freshmeat lists changes the announcement lists changes too at the bottom and so it does I too use to other projects methods.. hunting down changes file jcater: i said announcement changes on list, but naturally this irc client sucks and i type faster than it can upload to the ircd as do all 'announce' emails <-- this was missed line lol I tried getting some freebsd-cluster mailing list guys on IRC, but no deal. hmmm and that is suprising? Action: revDeke thought it was against BSD sysadmin policy to be socialable in any way shape or form, irc is way too much like human interaction hehe jbailey: what is your take on xandros? well one guy was nice enough to email that he was in europe on metered dialup everyone else has "real" jobs I guess one of which working at Los Alamos National Lab revDeke: Refresh me what a xandros is? revDeke: We won't have a separate samples package. revDeke: And I only do separate docs packages if the docs are >50k or so. Or if there's many packages without a common one. Action: jcater figured we'd have a gnue-samples.tgz ppl could download samples would usually go in /usr/share/doc/package/examples, right? that's what a lot of projects do oh, or that :) ajmitch: Yes. jcater: ah, like a set of samples that use forms, reports, and maybe appserver? ajmitch: I already do that with common for the stuff in /etc/gnue/ yup jcater: that connections form works nicely with 0.4.3 on windows :) apart from the little wx glitches ;) i just want samples :) if its inline package great ajmitch: yeah if its another package fine if tar.gz is the answer great a comprehensive sample package that in some way demostrates all tools :) jbailey: xandros is a debian distro revDeke: his reaction to your question about xandros speaks for itself :) run by linux global partners (iirc) (which was initial investor for code weavers, gnumatic(gnucash), ximian and metrowerks) derek: freebsd-cluster = kernel/user developers/hackers http://www.xandros.com/index.html jcater: The fascinating thing about Debian is that in many ways it's like the Microsoft of the world. jcater: It has this habit of absorbing its competition. :) jcater: So I've largely begun to consider any deviation from Debian to be fatal. speaking of that when will piggy be part of debian? piggy? PGI never. really Action: revDeke thought they were doing it ooooo oooo Action: jcater raises his hand I know [16:48] Last message repeated 1 time(s). The new debian installer project is going in instead. ooo oo o sorry jcater. rofl I was gonna say, PGI is heavily tied to the x86 architecture :( And very linux based at that. Action: revDeke still does a lot of install potato and upgrade to woody