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<chillywilly> yo
<chillywilly> RedHat made a profit
<chillywilly> wooo
<chillywilly> and in THIS economy
<chillywilly> that's pretty cool
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<chillywilly> night
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<Vee2d2> heh
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<Vee2d2> halo
<reinhard> good morning
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<Vee2d2> morning psu
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<btami> good morning
<psu> hi all
<Vee2d2> howdy btami
<psu> Has anyone been giving the 0.5.0 prereleases a good bashing?
<psu> esp. the Forms convertor to get your gfds from 0.4.x to 0.5.x format
Action: psu can imagine major grief if we don;t catch any problems with that before we release
<psu> I know jcater and jamest have tried it extensively with their own forms
<ra3vat> hi all
<psu> but there's nothing like putting things in the hands of users to uncover bugs you never even would have thought of testing for...
<ra3vat> psu: i converted few of my forms succesfully
<psu> IIRC, it's quite a comprehensive conversion script 
<psu> even makes a reasonable job of simple code triggers
<psu> Weird & wacky triggers, well, you;re on your own with those ;-)
<ra3vat> the only thing when manual changes were needed - ON-SWITCH trigger
<ra3vat> or may be even that i did before conversion
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<ra3vat> btami: you here?
<btami> yes :)
<btami> ra3vat: ?
<ra3vat> has interbase driver included in binary build?
<btami> yes
<btami> are you trying firebird?
<ra3vat> i started to play under win
<btami> if you want to use interbase/firebird
<btami> i'm suggesting to wisit www.ibaccess.org too
<ra3vat> but i also have a friend in moscow who would use oracle and interbase
<ra3vat> He is on the binary installation for now
<btami> s/Wisit/visit
<ra3vat> that's why I'm asking
<btami> ok
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<ra3vat> btami: it is him - alex_k :)
<minddog> heh
<minddog> theres an alan_k too!
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<alex_k> i got a problem trying to connect to interbase using kinterbasdb driver
<alex_k>  -901 Unable to determine field precision from system tables: Attempt to execute an unprepered dynamic SQL statement..
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<ra3vat> btami: wb
<ra3vat> <alex_k> i got a problem trying to connect to interbase using kinterbasdb driver
<ra3vat> <alex_k>  -901 Unable to determine field precision from system tables: Attempt to execute an unprepered dynamic SQL statement..
<btami> huh
<ra3vat> does introspection work
<btami> "works for me"
<ra3vat> and so wizard in designer
<btami> yes
<ra3vat> ok
<btami> but not in head yet
<ra3vat> he has released build
<btami> yes
<btami> is the table working with ibaccess good
<btami> what is the schema
<ra3vat> seems so
<ra3vat> may be employee demo
<btami> what table
<btami> s/what/which
<alex_k> it's employee demo table country
<btami> wait a min, i'm trying...
<btami> no error here
<btami> i made a country.gfd with designer's wizard
<btami> then run it
<btami> without any error
<btami> with 0.4.3 exe's
<btami> and firebird 1.0
<btami> which versions you use ?
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<jamest> ?
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<btami> jamest: may i ask you some little bugfixing
<jamest> i'll sure try?
<jamest> s/?//
<btami> in designer schema/TableEditor.py correct line 36-37 to:
<btami> from gnue.designer.ToolPanel import *
<jamest> head or 0.4.x
<btami> from gnue.designer.GridCellEditors import *
<btami> head
<btami> in Instance.py line 39
<btami> just uncomment it
<jamest> btami: you have a savannah account setup ?
<btami> no
<btami> i don't know
<btami> btw. i'v got signed papers back from FSF yesterday
<jamest> um
<jamest> is this you
<jamest> Bajusz Tamás
<btami> yes, it's me
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<jamest> then you have copyright assignment in
<jamest> i see you on the list
<btami> oh, so what to do
<jamest> which means i will let you have cvs access
<jamest> you need to setup an account on savannah.gnu.org
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<btami> please tell me step-by-step what to do
<jbailey> Ooo
<jbailey> That's an invite.
<jbailey> =)
<btami> :)
<alex_k> btami: 0.4.1 exe & interbase wi-v6
<jamest> btami: step1: ask jbailey 
<jamest> :)
<jamest> ok, go to savannah.gnu.org
<btami> :) :)
<jamest> on left is a new user via ssl 
<jamest> setup your account
<btami> ok
<jamest> (i'm going to have to do this from memory)
<jamest> you go to your user preferences and in there is a place to upload an ssh key
<jamest> jbailey: feel free to jump in if I'm wrong :)
<btami> alex_k: i never tried this pair
<jamest> you upload a key which will be used for cvs access via ssh 
<jbailey> jamest: Y'know I've never actually done this.
<jbailey> jamest: Folks with real accounts on savannah are handled completely outside of it.
<btami> don't think me too stupid, but how can i know my ssh key(to upload)
<jamest> me too :)
<jamest> you have to create it with ssh-keygen
<jamest> https://savannah.gnu.org/faq/?group_id=11&question=How_do_I_configure_my_SSH_access.txt
<btami> thanks
<jamest> sure
<jamest> as for the 6 hour wait
<jamest> the last time i checked it was running the import on a 15 minute cycle
<jamest> btami: how's it going?
<btami> sorry, real work is going now :(
<btami> jamest: i'm ready with my account, i think
<btami> what's next?
<jamest> you uploaded the key
<jamest> ?
<btami> yes
<jamest> ok, i'll activate cvs
<jamest> username on savannah?
<btami> btami
<jamest> you have been added
<jamest> you'll need to recheckout the code base via your username instead of anonymous
<btami> thanks
<jamest> then you can test it my commiting your edits
<jamest> s/my/by
<btami> i have to go home/pickup kids, thank again
<btami> bye
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<jamest> <-- jcater has quit ("other office") --- I wonder if that's the one with "Men" written on the door?
<jbailey> ERr..
<jbailey> I've never met jcater.
<jbailey> So for all I know it could be the one with "Women" written on it...
<jamest> rofl
<jamest> i don't think that'd be an easy mistake to make once you've met him
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<jbailey> Y'mean he's big, burly, and would rip me in two pieces if I implied it? ;)
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<Vee2d2> hahaha
Action: jbailey is away: lunch
<jamest> er, something like that
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<Vee2d2> hi derek
<Vee2d2> are the field types available in .gsd documented anywhere? I thought I remembered reading something but I'm not finding it.. 
<Vee2d2> n/m
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<ajmitch> morning
<Vee2d2> afternoon ajmitch
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<siesel> hi
<Vee2d2> halo
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<btami> hi all
<btami> jamest: you here?
<ra3vat> btami: how is cvs access?
<btami> cvs [server aborted]: "commit" requires write access to the repository
<btami> :(
<btami> but i have to say, i'm on XP (at home) and trying with
<btami> putty and wincvs
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<btami> maybe i'v missed something...
<ajmitch> btami: using ssh, rather than anoncvs?
<ra3vat> have you done fresh checkout?
<btami> yes, putty with ssh
<btami> no fresh checkout
<ra3vat> under linux CVS_RSH=ssh should be set
<ajmitch> you *have* to do a fresh checkout
<ajmitch> since each dir still has the anoncvs settings :)
<jbailey> ajmitch: How's the gtk-on-windows?
<btami> ok, i'm doing
<ajmitch> jbailey: haven't got windos setup yet ;)
<btami> ajmitch, thanks :)
<jbailey> ajmitch: *lol*
<ajmitch> jbailey: am going home to parents in a couple of days, will use their box to play with
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<ajmitch> gar
<ajmitch> jamest: you around? ;)
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<jamest> Only for a few seconds
<jamest> heading out the door to catch LoTR
<jamest> gotta take in all that lush NZ countryside
<jamest> and wonder where they hid the sheep while filming
<jamest> :)
<jamest> looks like you missed me :)
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<chillywilly> hey hey
<chillywilly> any coffee drinkers here?
<chillywilly> I ran across this the other day
<chillywilly> http://www.gnu.org/software/mug/
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<revDeke> Vee2d2: http://subversions.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/gnue/common/utils/xml2sql/schema.sxw
<revDeke> or gnue/common/utils/xml2sql/schema.sxw in your local cvs
<revDeke> will give you doc for GSD datatypes
<revDeke> iirc
<revDeke> hopefully that helps you some
<revDeke> must run again if you need more info email derek@gnue.org and i will try to respond
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<Vee2d2> well.. I was on the wrong path when I asked that earlier.. I thought I would setup some forms to manipulate my products table and started by hand writing the schema into .gsd files, but that's not necessary since my tables are already setup.. =)
<Vee2d2> was also hoping to try .5 in this playing but with the wizards be broked so I figured I would use 4.1.99 and use the conversion script
<chillywilly> hello
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> I got +q'd in #freenode for ctcping the channel
<Vee2d2> I am however a little bonked on how to proceed here.. I have a couple tables I use as lookups when building a product code, a families table and mfgs table.. a finished product code will have 3 segments: family.mfg.prod, prod is insignificant without referencing the other 2.. when I first conceptualized this system I envisioned a form where I would select a family, select a mfg, input a mfg model #, the system would do a quick check 
<Vee2d2> rify there was not already an entry in the products table referencing the same family, mfg, and model#. if not then it would do something like select the max(prod#) from the table where our selected family and mfg matched, then increment that value as our new prod# else it would be '1'.. 
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<Vee2d2> heh
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<chillywilly> :P
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<chillywilly> I'm not the one with the red fetish
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<chillywilly> hmmm, I think freenode staffers are power hungry crabby little biotches
<Vee2d2> http://www.dublinproductions.com/pages/promo/vendagoatpage.html
<chillywilly> btw, those of you who don't trust paypal there's SendMoney(tm) that is backed by the USPS
<Vee2d2> hmm.. really.. 
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<revDeke> Vee2d2: you sure you dont want to use gnue-sb
<revDeke> as what you are discussign is first thing on my todo list for gnue-sb
<revDeke> i.e. smart number building of parts
<revDeke> i.e. you have several categories (lookups)
<revDeke> that you select
<revDeke> and then key a number
<revDeke> and it 'autobuilds' your part number
<revDeke> so you pick
<revDeke> manufacturer :foo
<revDeke> product class: shocks
<revDeke> product line: snazzy foo
<revDeke> and then enter a number
<revDeke> 133232
<revDeke> and it taks
<revDeke> foo id which is 100, shocks id which is 223 and snazzy foo id which is 843 and your product number is
<revDeke> 10022384313232
<revDeke> or whatever
Action: revDeke hates to see duplication of effort if we are pretty similar
<revDeke> we need to get assignment from you and get you some gnue-sb cvs access and put you to work :)
<Vee2d2> Right, I remembered you mentioning that earlier in the week and your solution sounds perfectly reasonable. 
<revDeke> bbl xmas shopping
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<Vee2d2> kao
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<chillywilly> jason
<chillywilly> yo yo yo what it be?
<jcater> word
<Vee2d2> mmm.. shrimp good.
<jcater> hmmm... taco bell not good
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<chillywilly> jcater: think outside the bun!
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<Vee2d2> jcater: I stumbled on your logos directory earlier.. those look nice
<jcater> thanks
<jcater> just toying around
<Vee2d2> I also found the poem and the wife.deb package pretty funny.. =)
<jcater> yeah, well
<jcater> sometimes i have too much time on my hands
<jcater> not very often though :)
<Vee2d2> hmm.. thinking about how derek intends to redo the items for gnue-sb.. I guess it might actually be possible to use an alpha character to key a category.. could it? well.. anything's possible, but if I understand him correctly he'll be using the serialized id of the category for that part of the finished number. I guess you would limit it's range to 999 and pad it? if not without delimiters the number would prove hard to decipher
<Vee2d2> what do you like to do your gfx in?
<jcater> I am trying to use sodipodi these days
<jcater> but I historically have used Macromedia Freehand for vector
<Vee2d2> it's coming along pretty good
<jcater> and QuarkXPress for page layout
<jcater> (no good free substitutes for Quark, though)
<Vee2d2> they're working on a plugin system for it which should be pretty nifty
<Vee2d2> I've never used any of the commercial offerings.. 
<jcater> well, I have to professionally
<Vee2d2> though I have corel9 or 10 somewhere that someone gave me.. 
<jcater> but am trying to move away from those
<Vee2d2> oh yea?
<chillywilly> hey ppl, read this once: http://www.libertyetech.com/mappingObjects.pdf ;)
<Vee2d2> I take that back, I used corel 5 (I think) for a short while many years ago
<chillywilly> disclaimer: die hard data modelers may be offended
<chillywilly> section 7.1 is where he rips on data modelers
<chillywilly> sorta
<chillywilly> anyway, the important part is where he lays out 3 ways to map objects to a relational database and lists the pros and cons of each approach
<jcater> in Section 7.1 he sounds like the type of person he's attacking
<jcater> I see value in his ideas for mapping objects to relational
<chillywilly> and I had this thing just sitting there on my HD
<jcater> but I'd take section 7.1 w/a grain of salt
<chillywilly> and finally read it today
<chillywilly> well it is somewhat of an opinion section ;)
<jcater> I'm of the opinion a good coder can make objects work, relations work, or a combination work
<jcater> but objects won't make a bad coder good ;)
<jcater> sih
<jcater> I have to return videos now
<jcater> bbiaf
<chillywilly> cya
<chillywilly> I think I'll post the url to gnue-dev (or at least TRY to post it)
<chillywilly> brb
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<Mr_You> re
<Vee2d2> indeed
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<Vee2d2> ahh that sucks how old are you?
<Mr_You> 29 in a few days.
<Vee2d2> that can be pretty serious, you never got it in your youth?
<Mr_You> my mom said I got a minor case when I was very young..
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<Mr_You> she tried exposing me to it
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<Vee2d2> I just vaguely remember feeling completely out of it and being covered in calamy (?) lotion for a few days.. =)
<chillywilly> calamine
<chillywilly> ;P
<Vee2d2> well, maybe you'll be over it by your birthday.  =)
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<Mr_You> hopefully
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<Vee2d2> wb jbailey
<jbailey> tx Vee2d2
<ajmitch> hi
<Vee2d2> heya ajmitch
<jbailey> Heya andrew.
<jcater> word aj
<ajmitch> sigh, i have to try & get the gtk2 driver working as good as possible as soon as possible
<ajmitch> currently the one in HEAD is broken
<Vee2d2> I'm anxious to see it
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<chillywilly> hey ajmitch
<chillywilly> brb
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