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<Vee2d2> hmmpah
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<Vee2d2> morning dsmith
<dsmith> Vee2d2: hey
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<Arturas> Hello
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<ra3vat> hello Arturas
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<ra3vat> hello jcater
<ra3vat> Arturas: you here?
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<StyXman> hi all
<Vee2d2> morning
<ra3vat> hi StyXman
<jamest> morning
<jamest> StyXman: I'm still working on merging in some of your stuff in your patch
<ra3vat> StyXman: how is papo doing?
<StyXman> uh, I've been a little of for a while, so I don't know if it's already addressed, but...
<StyXman> (jamest: good to hear that)
<jamest> instead of the generic message box thing you created I'm implementing <dialog> instead
<StyXman> sounds greit.
<StyXman> er, great
<StyXman> jamest: but rememnber we want it mostly for showing things from triggers
<StyXman> back on what i was saying...
<StyXman> now that forms can call forms from triggers
<StyXman> is there any way to return things?
<StyXman> ra3vat: good, we've done a 0.1.0 release, and a week later the first bugfix.
<jamest> probably via it parameters support
<StyXman> and we're installing it in some testing cases.
<StyXman> people are calling in asking for it.
<StyXman> we appeared in the local newspaper.
<StyXman> jamest: you mean the returning thing?
<StyXman> ra3vat: but I'm not the best guy for answering about it.
<ra3vat> StyXman: you're a good enough anyway :)
<ra3vat> glad to hear papo doing well
<jamest> StyXman: yeah
<jamest> plus <dialog> will offer this
<jamest> <dialog> is really just an alias for <form style="dialog">
<StyXman> jamest: again, you mean the returning things thing? :)
<jamest> yes, the returning things thing
<jamest> whatever parameters passed to a form are passed back at close IIRC
<jamest> so if you mod them you'll see the changes
<StyXman> wonderful!
<StyXman> is it in 0.4.1?
<jamest> um, i believe so
<jamest> i've not used it myself
<StyXman> jamest: ok, I'll do some tests
<StyXman> and report back
<StyXman> I have 0.4.1 from sid
<jamest> ah, cool
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<StyXman> joint #kde-users
<StyXman> almost
<jamest> whoa!
<ra3vat> ?
<jamest> back in july I forgot i adjusted my procmail config and put in a receipe to backup all my msgs just in case I screwed up a rule
<jamest> just on my math account (no gnue)
<jamest> Msg 1 of 33,642 NEW
<jamest> :)
<ra3vat> what do you do for a living? reading?
<jamest> I do manual spam filtering for a living
<jamest> it seems
<jamest> :)
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<StyXman> s/leve/leave/
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<Arturas> bye
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<StyXman> jamest: ah, I see runForm is not in 0.4.1...
<StyXman> so no calling fors, and no returning parameters
<StyXman> s/fors/forms/
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<StyXman> jamest: no, seems like passing parameters back is not an option.
<jamest> reports does this now IIRC
<jbailey> g'day all.
<jamest> g'day
<derek> StyXman: "I see runForm is not in 0.4.1..." is fixed in 0.4.3
<StyXman> derek: ah, 0.4.1 is the one on sid :(
<StyXman> derek: and that does not jides that runForm is not 'blocking', and that does not has ways to returning things, I guess
<StyXman> jides!
<StyXman> good try...
<StyXman> I meant, 'hides'
<StyXman> hmmm, I guess I missed something. 
<StyXman> shitie
<derek> hmm i thought jbailey made packages for 0.4.3
<derek> maybe not
<derek> worse case you can get the 0.4.3 release
<derek> or the 0.5.0 pre-release
<derek> hey anyone know how to fight 'ls'
<derek> ls does things in columns
<derek> i want just one column
<derek> but i only want file name and not any other information
<derek> all other params that seem to put in a single column add additional information
<reinhard> ls | cat
<derek> ah finally got it out of man page
<derek> ls --format=across -1
<reinhard> ls -1 should do it actually
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<derek> reinhard: yes it does work ls -1
<reinhard> btw ls only does in columns if output is a terminal
<jbailey> derek: I haven't done new uploads because I haven't had time to think about the bugs you posted, and because the 0.4.3 packages don't contain the man pages.
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<StyXman> what's the schema scripter thing?
<ra3vat> *  ~/bin/gcvs ~/cvs/gnue/common/src/schema/scripter/Scripter.py schema.gsd postgresql > PgSQL/schema.sql 
<ra3vat> StyXman: you can get sql script from gsd definition
<ra3vat> script for certain db
<StyXman> uh, and what would you use it for? I don't get the point...
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<siesel> hi all
<ra3vat> StyXman: db schema is written in gsd format then you can generate sql script for any db you want
<StyXman> ah, like our db generators when settin up papo somewhere.
<StyXman> we have a .zot file that defines tables and fields, and a zot to sql translator.
<StyXman> so you get a script to init the db and start using the app
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<StyXman> hi siesel 
<siesel> hi StyXman
<siesel> I had a look at Papo's savannah page.
<StyXman> siesel: and what d'you think?
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<StyXman> siesel: me neither. I just got back frmo hell.
<StyXman> siesel: yes, just some minor bug fices.
<StyXman> one week after 0.1.0
<StyXman> and we set it up in some places around here for intensive testing.
<siesel> I miss some pictures on the website
<siesel> That would make it easier for non-spanish readers ;)
<siesel>  /non-s./non-speaking-spanish/
<StyXman> siesel: guess so. our snapshot'er is devel'ing some automatic stuff. dunno how.
<siesel> How feature complete is 0.1.0? Is it 50% of needed features already implemented? Or 20%?
<StyXman> siesel: depends. if by 'of needed' mean all that was planned for december, it's 90% I guess.
<StyXman> if you mean the whole system, I would say like 25/30%
<StyXman> but I can't guaranty that
<StyXman> what knida error is this?
<StyXman> DB000:     raise MarkupError, _('Error processing <%s> tag [invalid type for "%s" attribute; value is "%s"]') % (name, attr, saxattrs[qattr])
<StyXman> DB000: gnue.common.GParser.MarkupErrormdione@tempest:~/src/work/fvl/papo/forms$
<StyXman> never seen before and doesnot says a lot...
<ra3vat> StyXman: looking into log closer you can sometimes see the line in gfd where error has occurred
<siesel> You probably use a tag which isn't defined.
<siesel> Sorry, I mean an attribute which isn't defined for a tag.
<siesel> like <form kkdkkd="something unknown"> will raise something like that
<StyXman> siesel: sounds more like a bad type of value.
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<StyXman> what's weirder is that the error not being printed correctly
<StyXman> it stops in the middle
<siesel> yes, its strange. 
<siesel> That's stuff which should be catched by gnue-common, and replaced by a more useful message (i.e. more informative and more contextdependend message')
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<jbailey> Give me a james?
<jbailey> james!
<jbailey> give me a t!
<jbailey> T!
<jbailey> What's that spell?
<jbailey> jamest!
<jbailey> W00t!
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<jamest> uh oh
<jamest> if someone is that happy to see me it usually means they want something
<StyXman> oh my God!
<StyXman> jamest: just tell us, how much do you pay him?
<jamest> :)
<jamest> too much apparently
<StyXman> is <dialog> what I think it is? a way to make modal forms?
<jamest> it will do that
<jamest> <dialog> is an alias for <forms style="dialog">
<jamest> er
<jamest> <dialog> is an alias for <form style="dialog">
<jamest> it will allow you to use any gnue form definition as a popup from another form
<StyXman> jamest: with value returning?
<jamest> yes
<StyXman> ah, that's it.
<jamest> once I'm done implementing 
<StyXman> for 0.5.0?
<jamest> some of forms current popups will be replaced with build in <dialogs>
<jamest> like the jump to record dialog
<jamest> lookup dialogs
<jamest> for 0.5.x
<jamest> i'm not sure I'll make 0.5.0
<StyXman> ah, not 0.
<jamest> i might make it
<StyXman> jamest: well, if you need help...
<jamest> i'm almost done with it
<jamest> i plan to finish this week, the holidays willing
<StyXman> yeah, booze and other suff might get in the middle of everything
<jamest> :)
<jamest> i don't drink
<jamest> my code is bad enough w/o bringing altered states of mind into the equation
<StyXman> jamest: no? good. does no good. but it's... tasty, I guess is the word
<jamest> :)
<StyXman> yesterday we've got a party. someone bought 24 liters of beer.
<StyXman> some workers here is finishing the job of emptying bottles
<jamest> lol
<StyXman> s/is/are/
<StyXman> you say lol, I say 'oh, c'mon, guys!'
<StyXman> I don't think noone can work that way.
<StyXman> but... nothing big is done these days anyways.
<StyXman> if I won't be going to my father's place, I would join them.
<StyXman> ??? better luck next tmie
<StyXman> ok, gone anyways. meery chistmas, guys.
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<psu> hi all
<Vee2d2> heya psu
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<psu> as the judge's statement
<psu> ``In the final analysis, the public interest in this case rests in assuring that free enterprise be genuinely free
<psu> is almost *too* tempting
<psu> http://www.komotv.com/stories/22124.htm
<psu> http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/3551946.html
<psu> etc. etc.
<psu> anyway
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<chillywilly> hmmm, my post to gnue-dev never got there
<chillywilly> blah
<chillywilly> oh well have to get one more christmas present
<chillywilly> bbl
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<drochaid> hey chillywilly
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<chillywilly> hehe, dtm sent me this: http://www.mrchuckles.net/i/dilbert-msmissle.gif
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<chillywilly> w00t, steelers won
<chillywilly> Packers are now second in the NFC and we
<chillywilly> 'll get a home playoff game
<chillywilly> anyone watch MNF?
<Vee2d2> not I
<chillywilly> well the only sports guy (derek) is gone anyway
<Vee2d2> fwiw the mavericks won
<chillywilly> are you a mavericks fan?
<Vee2d2> I dont think I can call myself a fan, but I can appreciate that they're doing well this year
<Vee2d2> I watched them in the finals last year
<chillywilly> our team sucks
<chillywilly> well they don't really suck, but they have been playing under par...way under par
<jcater> nah
<jcater> they suck
<Vee2d2> and it's funny how part of their organizating being a customer gets me interested in the game
<chillywilly> jcater: yea, ok...I am in denial
<chillywilly> mmmm, spinach dip
<chillywilly> I don't like cooked spinach but this spinach dip is good
<Vee2d2> creamed spinach is good stuff
<Vee2d2> spinach pizza is good stuff
<chillywilly> Vee2d2: who do you work for?
<Vee2d2> chillywilly: at the moment, myself.. 
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> do you have a company name or are you just Vee2d2 the wannabe droid ;)?
<Vee2d2> chillywilly: it dont pay very well though, and I have a financially ambitious impatient wife (do other kinds really exist?) and 2 kids so I'm knocking it back to a part time gig 'soon as I find another job
<Vee2d2> Tops Embroidery Works, dba TopSew
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> that's an interesting line of work
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<Vee2d2> I'm that, too.. 
<Vee2d2> I've been doing one thing or another with computers since ~'86/87
<Vee2d2> what is it you do, chilly?
<chillywilly> trying to find the first real computer type job after wasting 5 years getting a computer engineering degree
<chillywilly> well I interned at L.S. Research for a while, but that didn't work out the way I thought it would
<Vee2d2> I finally got subscribed to the gnue-sb lists.. didnt relize a url was provided as well as the standard reply mail confirmation (which bounces)
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