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Action: derek really is curious if the mail client is hosing things honestly despite its problems its been pretty good so far about not munging out going mail well mutt displays attachments inline, but these last few mails you sent have a "unique" amount of attachments as long as it's not attaching monkey dung... afaict it is "digital" monkey dung ;) rofl have y'all seen the MSN 8 commercials w/the butterfly standing on a user's porch the butterfly is supposedly stopping spam a person walks up and says some common spam subject and the butterfly just drops him off the porch I'm waiting for the "Don't you want to increase your penis size by 3 inches" yeah i died laughing I think I may have seen it but tuned it out somewhat msn is doing some evil stuff by the way msn licks sack you catch the one where they have something that lets one person control anothers 'web session' bag it's bag I don't think I've seen that one well I feel that the terms sack and bag are interhcnageable so say jcater gets online and is shopping and im's me to get my opinion if he would look fat in that dress interchangable too he could 'open his session' for me and i could see what he sees basically vnc gack but what is utterly scary about this is MS doing this vnc in an msn session? that's scary i.e. insecure as all hell definitely when i saw that i about died that's the one with the "two" butterfiles ;P but its worse than that they are trying to make features like this that 'trap' users i.e. jcater im's me and says oh look at this start a butterfly session chillywilly: What do you usually call that plastic (or paper) container that you carry your purchases in from a grocery store? and i say i cant do that i have aol then likely i will drop aol and get msn so i can do that Action: chillywilly envisions M$ cronies connected to ppl's boxen making them surf where they want them to surf ;) i.e. they are getting 'web service' features that not only are 'evil' (scary insecure) but 'lock in/out' the general population dsmith: a sack damnit ;) Hah! imagine if AOL IM could only be used by AOL folks Thought so. at one time that would be scary "sack damnit" ?? I'll have to try that one " dsmith: I call it a "bag" "Paper or plastic?" "A sack damnit!" dsmith: get off my bag now plz Action: dsmith notes that certain parts of the country call them "bags" and other parts call them "sacks". jcater: everything sounds better if the word damnit is appended ;) "Daddy, what's for lunch?" "Sandwich damnit" hmmm see? maybe not lol you're jst showing the snotty kid who's boss ;) anyway my snot-nosed brat is away with grandma and grandpa for all of net week er, next net week? wooooo! ;) Action: jcater didn't know the 'net was a holiday now is that like boxing day :) I dunno what the hell is boxing day? chillywilly: if you thought he was a snotty kid before, wait till he gets back from grandparents house I know boxing day is canada independence day iirc chillywilly: Some uk holiday that's after christmas spoil 'em rotten is what they do he's not at they house though er, their sorry wrong holiday he went down to NC with them Originally, Boxing Day - the first weekday after Christmas Day - was observed as a holiday "on which postmen, errand boys, and servants of various kinds received a Christmas box of contributions from those whom they serve". (Charles Dickens) ok they're there visiting family Action: chillywilly blinks omfg! so jcater santa bring you anything good? 2.5.53 built!!!!!! wooo!!!! derek: yeah he brought me Waterboy I dunno how he knew I wanted that movie Action: chillywilly sets up to try the development kernel Action: derek got a scene with red headed girl kissing red headed guy in rain er s/scene/dvd with a scene yummy kids are getting old enough now i like most of their toys :) Action: derek got lots of cd's, lots and lots of cd's as the kids wanted lots of them so i bought in bulk and got new cd's at about $5 a cd (including shipping) well, santa brought TJ a Radio Flyer they are kinda fun too cool noah got lots of trains lol so did TJ some that actually are battery powered everyone got him a train my parents got him one set so i built lots of track and had fun 'playing trains' he got it christmas evening by the 27th he is a thomas the train addict the batteries were run down already noah's birthday is tomorrow and he will get more trains gack Action: derek is going to have to 'mount' the track on a board as its getting out of hand that must suck for presents he has now 4 'large' train sets (one is a roller coaster actually) and im running out of room to have them built the roller coaster is REALLY cool our new dog kicks ass tj loves it crap is should've built an initrd image cool dogs are fun Action: derek doesnt want anymore though :) 2 is a enough I bet TJ needed a playmate and another kid is too expensive so I got him a dog sounds like a good compromise to me but I'm not sure brandy agrees :) brb, booting development kernel ok this is great chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" on slashdot comments recent CS Engineering grad whining about what to do when graduates here was an answer == Any advice? Porn. Find a cute girl and use your computer skills to build and maintain a website for her. No matter how bad things get, people still jack off. roflmao Action: derek is still laughing that is such a great one liner No matter how bad things get, people still jack off. could make a good pickup line, too "Hey babe... just remember -- No matter how bad things get, people still jack off." chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. no dice, bitches about root device probably needs an initrd built or I forgot to compile in ide drivers ;P yea, I need to build it with an initrd image dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "later.." psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi psu good morning chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "booting kernel 2.5.53 for shits and grins" psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) got netsplit. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) got netsplit. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) got netsplit. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) returned to #gnuenterprise. mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Everything that is worth fighting for, is worthy fighting dirty for" ninja (~rossg@r44-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (SachaS@80.248.193.159) joined #gnuenterprise. kid (~kid@p50844B1B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello kid hello ra3vat thx for your mail SachaS (SachaS@80.248.193.159) left #gnuenterprise. i will send you answer after lunch i just wrote a small python example to describe this stuff with the generic attribute processing cu later ok ninja (~rossg@r44-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) left irc: "Client Exiting" SachaS (~Sacha@pop-zh-9-1-dialup-247.freesurf.ch) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@pop-zh-9-1-dialup-247.freesurf.ch) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). matkor (~matkor@charm.ant.gliwice.pl) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat, u r here? be back in 15 minutes reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" kid: i got both of your mails this is quite something to read i will answer as soon as i have time yes, no problem, thx in advance back hi again hi jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection ra3vat: would you think that some of my classes would reflect/extend some of the classes in geasClassDefs? jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. kid: answered by email ah, thx kid: where you look for geasClassDefs? thx for your answer i looked here: GNUe-AppServer-0.0.2/src/objrepos/ and i'm trying to find one in gnue-sb but i think there is none at least your answer supported my impression that their are some more involved ideas to add more application-supporting functionality to the framework what are you looking for in gnue-sb? and not to stop with the technical support for communication gnue-sb is more simple application to demonstrate currently available features i want to get a feeling how they use the gnue framework ra3vat: that's not entirely true gnue-sb is (will be) a complete modular small business system i always think better in terms of example code then in documentation as far as i understood they use the functionality of NOLA and port it to gnue no, not really it will have a similar scope initially as nola we were porting NOLA at one point to the GNUe framework which means that they more concentrate about usage of the framework instead of deriving the business logic (that was called acclite ) gnue-sb might be influenced by NOLA, but I wouldn't consider it a port so this was a non-native-speaker's shortcut to describe this jcater: you are right it's always interesting what it takes for your synapses to connect if you start with something new and how this is influenced by your current experiences i see kid's sphere of interest is in application server area when gnue-sb will be lodular and featured but not waiting when application server would ready that's why i way that ah, ok yeah, gnue-sb will not use an application server so he is not seeing in gnue-sb what he is looking for at hte moment er, say so this is for the 2-tier solution well, a non-object oriented solution and to test the tools for it and check whether necessary functionality can be supported? Action: jcater hesitates to say 2-tier, as some people's definitions differ no, this isn't really a test this is a full-featured app that someone needs but a side effect will be, I suppose, a test although quite a few of us are already using the framework a lot in personal projects so they do not mainly do this to support your development but to create a real application correct though it will be nice to have a cohesive public app to show people :) but that wasn't the primary motivation Action: jcater is away: out of town kid: what of gnue packages you downloaded? this windows binary version and sources for app-server and common in cvs snapshot you can find additional info i now have at least this app-server test running http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/snapshots/gnue-cvs-2002-12-28.zip in the dir /packages thx but I have to be cautious w/ changes because I had to make some changes to get the app-server example running with my win2k no big problem, i'm mainly screening the sources anyway it was done for the first implementation of app.server but give you some additional info so even if for sure none of you likes MS at least some like the ideas of MS-Access if talk about jcater first of all he likes donuts then may be MS-Access as it is him who develop Gnue-Designer what u mean is better avoid sentences like this one when talking with him? no, you will it is being discussed a lot anyway as well as troat slapping and even more scare things :) have to look what a troat is can u give me a hint, leo doesn't know it? Action: ra3vat shut ups is it throat? it is Trout actually, if i'm not wrong again so can u give me hint what this is? i think it is a fish but we have chillywilly to be an expert in that kind of thing http://www.jumpincatfish.com/lunch.htm a fish, yes kid: we got far away from app. server things :) yes, but its holiday anyway and sunday: so no 12 hrs concentrated work and i still have to give my brain some spare time to make new connections but your zip has some nice documents can u tell me about the relation of the GNUeObjectServer and the app-server? where you see GNUeObjectServer now? :) here: ~\gnue-cvs-2002-12-28\docbook\GNUeObjectServer docbook docs may be not in sync with the current implementations but most of ideas may be valid valid for application server last event when it was hard discussed I suppose was a conference in Frankfurt http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/gnue-dev/2002-November/000304.html do you also have newyear tomorrow? this is also interesting: http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/gnue-dev/2002-November/000306.html kid: in your free time you can ask google for: "trout slapping site:.gnuenterprise.org" Even without last clause it gives a link to gnue irc log on the third items kid: yes, it is a series of Reinhard's Halloween postings next meal for me cu later bbl Nick change: reinhard -> rm-awa Nick change: rm-awa -> rm-away psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. ok, I am a bozo how do I rm a file that begins with --foo ? I've tried single quoting, double quoting and slashing hmm rm -- --foo obvious, I suppose rm ??foo ;-) rm ??foo doesn't work, as I discovered as the ?? still gets expanded yes you're right which is logical, but not what I want the _shell_ gobs, not the "rm" (like much of GNU/UNIX, I guess) lol s/gobs/globs at least I hope so yes ;-) hmm, anyone care to guess the size of a complete tarball of our website? a mere 498 MB should hopefully reduce once I cut the irc logs, old downloads etc etc as otherwise that's going to be a fun CVS check-in Nick change: rm-away -> reinhard just my 2 cents we could move our downloads to ftp.gnu.org they belong there, and not on www.gnu.org IMHO that was my first thought actually, that 498MB includes the irc logs as well and various other stuff that's not going to www.gnu.org i don't think we would want the logs on www.gnu.org definantly not they don't meet www.gnu.org guidelines anyway as we mention non-free s/w all the time albeit usually disparagingly ;-) Step 1 is probably to just leave /downloads/* where it is on www.gnuenterprise.org as I don;t want to break things like jcater's nightly tarballs etc yep - site without irc logs, downloads etc is a more reasonable 12MB sounds much better :) bbl again Nick change: reinhard -> rm-away and gzips down to a respectable 5MB psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. 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