rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: i was tracking whom was naughty and whom was nice.... special request from santa and all Action: derek is away: sleep ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. kid (~kid@p5084564E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning @ everybody morning hi all hi ra3vat hello kid eastern timezones awoken already hello jcater evening can you imagine it is a working day here today? when is new year for you :( kid: today working day whole day or only half, here it's also only 1/2 day free? i'm trying to guess when it is for our nz'ers? :) should already have happend? no sorry, error if not have a shift for 6 months kid: half of the day mostly it's same here often, only 1. january is free Action: jcater has been off work since Dec 20 :)( err >:) same for me, but next year will be cruel :) kid: how is your conversation with reinhard going? i would say good we both think that we share some or even more common thougts about master data model great i'm still playing with the test programs, tried to rewrite one as Pyunit-test and thinking heavliy about buying a cheap pc for a linux box chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" first i didn't recognize this but after some days and reading more apted docs i found that he also wants to add a more application-near api and this is my dream always (at least one of my dreams) application-near? more than just transport-protocol, more support for application-developer currently we were mainly talking about the master data ah as i wrote u in my email: EJB is for me *NOT* very "application-developer-near" email? so if you have a common understanding how a general and generic data model for master data should like than you can add it 1st problem is that many framework-developers think that this isn't necessary 1nd is that they often differ in what would be best one difference is that i wanted to create *classes* from xsd and xml whereas gnue stores the description in the database Action: jcater missed the email... was it on our mailing lists? what is what i was doing in my one before last project ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) sorry jcater, i'm a "shy" person, so for 1st i shared my thoughts with ra3vat and reinhard until i had / will have the feeling that we share a common idea about this ra3vat also asked me to add this to a more public audience ah yeah, we should probably move it to mailing lists or irc before it gets in depth out of fairness to everyone involved sure, i want to add something to make it more complete but it's good to see new interest/ideas coming in but now i'm 1st trying to get a decision about a new computer and this will take time to search and order once work begins again i will have very few spare time btw, I wouldn't be too shy but w/o linux i fear the my contributions will always be limited we're a fairly laid-back group this "shy" is also not the best term to describe it, but i have no better english for it I'm really sure worse stuff has gone thru our mailing lists than you could possibly come up with :) so don don't fear ridicule a debate would probably open up but not ridicule i always like to have things as good as possible once they are out of my head if that's what you fear it's not an ego problem, my ego is big enough to hold some common laughter it's this idea about trying to do things good ah well, the flipside to that is and as far as i'm not sure they are, they will not leave my table the more you try to "perfect" an idea before getting out, the more time you have invested in something that doesn't have much feedback just something to think about but anywho, it's good to have more people interested very good yes, this is why i was thinking to abandon my own framework and join a team not much will become perfect if you just do all fopr yourself and it showed that all this finding into the idea of gnue appl-server took some time because now i look at it different than 5 days before so complicated things take some time for the synapses to join and lastly: it's hard - but not impossible - to change some life-lasting habits once you reached a certain age so i want to save the few chances for changes on things i really want to change puh 1st i have to convince my wife that we need the 4th computer lol my goodluck is that i educated her to computer-games-player, so everything that takes my away from the gamiong computers will probably supported by my wife and my children a good dad is always at the programing-computer and never at the playing-machine a good dad teaches their kids python and gives them programming tasks in gnue err, wait maybe that's just my goal :) i trieds this once when my oldest daugther was 8 in lisp but that was too early gack and now they are not much interested in this poor child at least teach her a simple language like assembly not functional programming :) Action: jcater is kidding of course it was not so bad, it was in emacs os/2 and i added here some logo-like functionality to make the tirtle crawl mine isn't old enough to read yet, so will have to wait but I'm sure his first language will be python it was not the programing language but the english, these were two things to learn ah yes, today it's easy; i would also choose python and the daugthers have had english now for some years so this problem has gone but interest tend somehow away from learning and that stuff I *think* python has a native language grammar now more towards fashion, boys(?) and the like or maybe that was ruby but either way, I find that amazing these days coolest now is ocaml, but the syntax is so crude and library is also far from python python is now by far my favorite language mainly due to seeing it's success here in gnue it's a very readable language so more for academic now - even if there is an erp project with ocaml which to me is one of the most important aspects of a language: readability as I can read code written by anyone else on this project i'm not that deep in python (yet), i did never used it in my work and this is always best training and most of the time, pick up exactly what they are trying to do than you have more than 1-2 hrs per day to learn true but I doubt it will be hard to pick up but even now i can confirm this: python is the best "comprise" language i ever worked with anyone with several languages under their belt can pick up python easily at least, imho this language stuff is easy, but i have again to learn the libraries and this cost time in every language even with emacs-info that is true what i did not like is block-structure via indendation and ruby has some cool shortcuts that is by far my favorite feature now ruby? I was leary about it at first no, the block-structure via indendation of python ah it seemed lame (for lack of a better word) at the time i think this is only a good ideas if all ppl use same editor-tab-settings which will never happen we've had no issues in gnue with that not sure why, but it hasn't ever been an issue who is the strong guy to force common settings and - you never downloaded sources that had problems in your editor? reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. I don't think I have we haven't really forced common settings but for sure it makes the code better to be looked at but it has worked out to be 2 spaces for a tab so that's what all our code is set at and avoid this unhappy - ah pascal - oh C - reminiscence so you have same settings as I so java had a chance but one of the downfalls is the syntax, not very modern for a mid-90's language so i try to use jython if i can yeah, I did java for about 2 yrs before I joined GNUe I don't miss it you know this: http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/ this is always fun to read and this is how i found this crude ocaml reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) and what reminds me on old forth-days similar idea is this: http://pleac.sourceforge.net/ perfect entertainment for quite nights queit quiet (embarassing) does some1 know whether linux supports SIS730S on-chip graphics? back reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. breakfast for me now, cu kid: have no info about SIS730 support jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection SachaS (~Sacha@pop-zh-9-1-dialup-183.freesurf.ch) joined #gnuenterprise. hallo Reinhard reinhard: just in case I gave you the wrong mobile number: 0041 796315401 got to go. see ya maybe in Austria. hi SachaS yes i think i had the wrong one no had the right one but didn't get thorugh reinhard_ (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard_ (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection oops SachaS: will try to call you again today bbl reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate" SachaS (~Sacha@pop-zh-9-1-dialup-183.freesurf.ch) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: Excess Flood ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Anything is good and useful if it's made of chocolate" reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. mornin mornin.. *sigh* The last day of this ass kicking year has finally arrived. and no prospect for better 2003 I have hope though congratz then Action: Vee2d2 waits for his coffee to finish brewing my connection seems to be intermittent this morning.. btami (~btami@3e70d73a.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi btami i have some news about GBaseApp.py for you ok i'v installed a clean woody with python 2.1.3 by default and tried your GBaseApp i got "global name 'self' is not defined" error from line 260 seems it is what Arturas got also but after i changed self.runtime_charset to runtime_charset and made it global it worked well i did about 3 modifications for Arturas but it was hard to do it well without 2.1.3 and we did not know it is 2.1 that did not like original wayneg (hobo@ppp1374.qld.padsl.internode.on.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning hi Vee2d2 btami: now we can be close to commit it i just want to get feedback from Art too, because i never got your error message: DB000: TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None s/your/his yes, that was strange one thing i'd like to check also i moved translation initialization so far that there is some code before it (after comment #Read the config files) that uses _() so initialization of _() is left in the beginning btami: jcater reported GBaseApp worked for him. I'd like to get one from jamest, may be you'll send him modifications for 2.1.3? i can, if you like ok, i will send him yes, sure he wanted to test with 2.1 ok forgot and for me :) of course :) and Happy New Year! you will meet it probably next after me Happy New Year for all GNUe people !!! yes i'm haveing some champagne now... have to go to our friends, so bye, cu in 2003 btami (~btami@3e70d73a.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. heya jbailey Heya Vee2d2 Happy new year GNUe from Australia oh, thanks wayneg: Happy New Year to you too ra3vat thanks, have about 7 hours in spare =) just enoungh time to get blind drunk =) Doesn't take me that long. =) I cant even recall the last time I was drunk i left that sport years ago :) it's had to have been quite some time... hmm.. 5 maybe 6 years i was never into much myself ... but with my 110 kg frame it takes me a while =) I used to have an amazing liver. haha But I discovered that going vegan massively reduces tollerance to alcohol. I would imagine It's sort of a shock to discover. it all good ... think of the money your saving Yeah. But I had trouble finishing my 3rd or 4th cider one night. And it took me 45 minutes to stagger home to 6 blocks to my house. =) hehe =) mmmhhh cider SachaS (~Sacha@zux006-015-214.adsl.green.ch) joined #gnuenterprise. hallo reinhard hallo SachaS (~Sacha@zux006-015-214.adsl.green.ch) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) @$%&! i keep missing him if anybody sees SachaS here please tell him i can't reach him on the phone and he should call me please chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Hey Dan. ello I urge everyone to comment on the W3Cs RF Patent Policy and adress the Section 3 bug as mentioned by the FSF the "Field of Use" BS specifically ;) jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: derek is back (gone 09:18:26) yo yo yo hey kid can you send your 'ideas' that you sent to reinhard and btami to info@gnue.org its a private list that only the 'core team' is subscribed too chillywilly: word up who? this way you will get maximum comment w/o having to be public me? ttp://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-patent-policy-20021114/#sec-Requirements youse guys need to read that Vee2d2 (~vin@66-169-136-41.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) and then comment cause today is the last day Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2: assignment questionairre sent fill out and follow instructions within a week or so of completing you should get paper work via the postal mail to sign and return Action: derek is away: work tx is it useful to buy a floppy drive for a new linux pc or is this now obsolete? My new box won't have a floppy drive. the hard part is that I don't think grub supports CD booting yet. and what about such a new high integrated board w/ sound gfx and net on board? i don't have experience with those as i avoided them all the time for reasons of more "choice" when selecting the components i started w/ search for used pc but these barebones have some good price if u use older cpus maybe it would be ok to limit my possibilies for my 4th computer I get almost all of my mobo's integrated. Just check GNU/Linux compatability first... u have an url ? (other than google.com) this looks cool: http://www.spacewalker.com/german/prod/xpc/600/sv25.jpg would even fit into my weekend travellers rolling luggage I think I am gonna attempt to hack GServerApp.py to use async multiplexing via asyncore and aynchat cause I am bored "When I get real bored, I like to drive downtown and get a great parking spot, then sit in my car and count how many people ask me if I'm leaving." -- Steven Wright HEH to avoid this i'm configuring my dream-computer that i can NOT afford wooo :) nearly perfect waste of time indeed and even allowed from my wife which is a severe limitation - during she's preparing new year's party for 20 ppl news years bah humbug ;P I want 2002 to NEVER end!!! uh...maybe not this was worst year since ... 2000 hey what's the damn port the appserver listens on? using xmlrpc i think there's a general rpc port but not sure which is? Action: chillywilly is too lazy to look 111 at least the rpc portmapper listens to that port 765 er 8765 oh? is what geasRpcServer.py tells me ok if in doubt i would believe geasRpcServer.py more than me ;-) RpcDoc.py: port 8765 well it works but it should print out somehting cool so I know what it is sitting there ;) danielb@frodo:~/software/src/cvs/gnue/appserver/src$ telnet localhost 8765 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. that is boooring ;) revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. happy new year all (in his highest voice) happy new year, miss sofie! reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Don't believe in miracles -- rely on them" guests arriving here, happy new year @ll I love that quit message :) dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dsmith chillywilly: Howdy chillywilly: Any minute now, my new tv is gonna arrive chillywilly: 51 inch wide screen. prick Action: revDeke is seriously jealous It is my wife that wants it. She had to talk me into it. Really. Action: revDeke suspects she wants her 'soap' stars full size ;) Action: chillywilly couldn't buy a 51 inch TV even if he wanted one My mom got one once for like $200 It was hideous. heh The guy bought it back for $500. We think he had his cocaine stash in the bottom. lol nice friends there well I also got a nice effects processr for nothing due to drug abuse buddy borrowed some money and then never paid me back but I had it as collateral then he paid me back and told me to keep it cause he felt bad for sing the money I gave him for drugs and ruining our friendship I guess it was payment for pain and suffering or something ;) do_HEAD()...hehehh python is funny ;) playing w/async stuff, I see :) well right now I am reading some thing about the network server architecture in the python lib then I'll g back to reading the medusa tutorial thingy chillywilly: I can't buy one either. :( then why are you getting one? chillywilly: My wife is going to work for some extra money for it. oh no on can compare with my $0/yr salary it is at least 50 times greater than everyones jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). 50 * 0 = 0, see? I wasn't lying chillywilly: you make as much as we pay jcater to develop gnue code wooohooo weehuh? yeeeehaaaaaw! dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "later.." l8r cya revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "CGI:IRC 0.5 (EOF)" mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. sup mdean nada - wa enta? boom shaka laka aaaaaw sheeeeeit jcater!!!! ol' buddy, ol' pal! da masta is gone...party time!!! mdean!! word!!! woohoo! happy new year, all hmmm... w3rd to your muffler Action: chillywilly feels left out Action: mdean DCCs chillywilly some goattrout Action: chillywilly :) hey now im still here Action: derek is back (gone 07:06:35) you mean you just got here reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. happy new year all!! reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Client Quit happy new year ppl, we're over it much fun for u heheh thanks rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise.