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Nick change: appserverbot -> geasbot test anyone anyone awake yet?!? playing with the irc protol is wacky ;) er, protocol hey geasbot hey chillywilly fancy meeting you here ;) lick ack geasbot er, sack stupid bot I'll whip your ass chillywilly Bored, Dan? :P lol don't make me kick your ass to jbailey I am the bot from hell and I can't spell either You spelled `either' just fine. Action: chillywilly kicks geasbot ACTION troutslaps chillywilly into oblivion blah rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. oh yea I need some funky chars int there for that to work hello rdean geasbot? it be my biotch working on irc driver for gcomm/grpc cool geasbot (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: trying to hack the python irclib it's rotting over on SF I should go back to bed for a bit I feel all crummy Man you go to bed with crackers have crummy sleep. oh well it's 10am altready BAH Man *who* hehheh I hate mailman you're such a corn ball I need to make that a public declaration. hack it ;) it's written in the beautiful python programming language :) It's written largely without exception handling. Even though it likes to throw exceptions. blech heheh actually what I was doing before was typing IRC command via telnet ;P and trying to keep myself entertained It also seems to manage to run itself out of ram. But we WILL have mail archives again at gnu.org, DAMMIT! the thing that sucks is that python-irclib is synchronous and blocking jbailey: woooooooO! what's the dman method to give you the size of a list? What language? geasbot (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. python of course nm test this is kinda cool a little irccat program jbailey is a freak Action: chillywilly smacks geasbot around quit /quit geasbot (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) geasbot (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. test test kjhkjhkjh wonder what the heck the difference is between the two geasbot (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) hrrrm, nm geasbot (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. geasbot: stats die geasbot: die geasbot (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit geasbot (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. geasbot: disconnect geasbot (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit geasbot (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. -chillywilly:#gnuenterprise- test geasbot (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit Action: derek is back (gone 06:27:05) hi derek happy gnu year! Action: chillywilly attemtps to understand irclib.py reinhard_ (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. wb reinhard_ Action: chillywilly slaps derek around gotta start the gnu year out right ya know... cw2 (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. rm-away (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) -chillywilly:#gnuenterprise- test test test cw2 (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit Action: jbailey yawns. Might be time for a nap soon. I was up too late. g'morning, gnue-land Heya Jason. Happy new year. =) happy gnu year jc! Action: chillywilly needs a nap too chillywilly: Did you go out last night? what would be ideal for gnue...to support only async i/o via asyncore/aynchat (select or poll) or to support threading too? ummm, nope chillywilly: Depends on the load. threading always adds a level of complication because of the locking needed. right and it is good for cpu bound stuff chillywilly: A fast poll loop is always more efficient on a single processor, assuming you yield back to the loop frequently. but network servers are mostly i/o bound Sure, but we're talking an irc bot, right? chillywilly: when I started doing the GServerApp stuff (as well as the RPC stuff) I had intended to use asynchronous only -- at least for the foreseeable future no, we're talking chaning the gnue server architecture in common to use ayncore stuff Oh, I see. =) I thought you meant your bot. jcater: ok jcater: so ideally any server should se GServerApp.py? becase that is not that case right now...it is kind of a mixture what is not using GServerApp? like the pw_xmlrpc driver uses ThreadingTCPServer oh these are two different things that's what I am trying to sort out I guess GServerApp --> all GNUe server applications should be based on this right It will spawn off a fork for each supported "server model" i.e., it'd spawn off an instance for XMLRPC or an instance for CORBA so those are two different references to a "server", me thinks well server int he broad sense and "server adapter" in the rpc sense, afaict where does the rpc stuff 'fork' at? GCommBase.py? I think so def serve(self): pass def serveAsNewThread(self): thread.start_new_thread(self.serve,()) I finally understand proxy objects...but I figured it out from reading what Jan wrote in the "proposal" ;) proposal? GComm proposal in docbook/proposals Jan added some nice notes there a while back we've had proxy objects from day one I know psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone here use wine? Action: derek was amazed at how much easier its gotten w/ debian Turning Leaf is a decent inexpensive brand apt-get install a few things run a setup tool and you are off Action: psu gets communion wine twice a month wine still doesn't quite do what I need :( however i dont like how on many things it takes whole screen (i.e. i lose my linux desktop) is there a way to prevent that as when as jcater says 'it doesnt do what i need' and locks up i have to kill X in order to stop it :( or go to a vt derek: I use wine a bit. Action: psu wishes he could get X running on his laptop and manually kill 10 or so wine processes i got simple things working but none of the 'kids' games work they all get the same error first it was a winprint.drv problem but apg-get install libwine-print or something fixed that now its another error i see all over the net but no apparent fix (some patches suggesting a recompile) but im not willing to do that Action: chillywilly is soooooo tired rock! rockabilly a setting change has me running in a window now!!!! AND it seems to have solved the problems i was having uh oh it wants to install directx probably will kill things holy crap it works derek: doing that with "real" Windows happens often enuf sound and everything a 3D game so consider that a feature, not a bug Action: derek is going to be a hero the kids have their games!!!!!! coolness is this wine from debian sid/. ? yes now i should never here crap for linux at home again!!!! yes I have a PC copy of Madden 97 that I'd like to play Action: derek has NEVER had an OUNCE of success with it me either never worked jbailey: you get roller coaster tycoon working under wine? what packages you need besides wine? derek: I haven't tried with winex 2.2.1 derek: (I use winex for all the games) jbailey: what is winex? is it in sid? a fork another dumb question i installed this app where does it 'put' it i.e. if i dont have windows does it make a 'menu' or such? dunno there's a #wine on this network I think er #wine-hq btw, anyone know what's wrong with pipermail on mail.gnu.org? I saw jbailey mention it earlier nope Action: derek is away: footbal Action: psu notes that Newcastle-Liverpool doesn;t start for another 45 minutes ;-) Action: jcater notes that it's lunch time psu: Yes, mailman sucks. psu: I've fixed bug-inetutils and I'm fixing emacs-devel right now. Action: psu noted it had died when I was doing KC wasn;t sure who/how to report it psu: I think I have enough test cases to submit to the author though to get him to fix it. In the meantime, I'm doing a temp manual mirror for the gnue lists at http://www.burdonvale.co.uk/mail/ It should be fixed shortly, I think. cool don't know whether mailman password reminders are fubar too The year of the Goat is coming! The year of the Goat is coming! The year of the Goat is coming! I've had my usual raft of 1st-of-the-month password reminders psu: No, they should be fine. but not from mail.gnu.org I don't know what time thye go out. But I've also had the mailing lists all halted for like 6 hours now. Vee2d2: every year is the year of the goat, around here. jbailey: ah, fair enough. That probably does it. I should probably enable them again soon to let traffic flow. Not that i'm complaining BUt I'm irritated at this taking so long, so oh well. I'll enable it before I take my nap. just being a good bug reporting & reporting all know symptoms, whether significant to me or not Yup! Appreciated! Action: chillywilly was about to take a nap but has to pick caroline up from work in half an hour I believe they call it "dereking" around these here parts ;-) hehe Action: chillywilly is away: Hitting the crack pipe. psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:25:00) jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: "Client Exiting" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-247.client.insightBB.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection reinhard_ (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There's always one more imbecile than you expect" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" Action: psu is away: bathtime drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-168-128.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. hi drochaid Action: psu is back (gone 00:46:38) drochaid: can I pick your brains some time re. linux + ntlworld broadband not right this moment as I'm off to bed psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("nite all..."). err, sure psu jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-168-128.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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