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<Arturas> Hello
<ra3vat> hello Arturas
<Arturas> hi Dmitry :)
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<ra3vat> hello reinhard
<ra3vat> reinhard: will your discussion with kid bring one more email in halloween series? :)
<reinhard> ra3vat: probably not
<reinhard> i think we agree on most topics
<reinhard> except maybe which is the best editor ;-)
<ra3vat> great
<ra3vat> :)
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<Arturas> hi again
<ra3vat> wb
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<jbailey> The crew slowly shows up.
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> :)
<jbailey> Well, lets see if the Hurd likes my system
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<Arturas> bye
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<Vee2d2> hmm.. is it possible to use a form to dynamicly create another form? eg: have a form with an entry box when run and I enter 3, I get another form with 3 entry boxes.. 
<Vee2d2> seems like you can.. just using a trigger, the value of the entry, build the new form and hit it with runForm()..?
<derek> dont see why you couldnt
<Vee2d2> Or for that matter, build a form dynamicly based on values within a datasource..? same thing? setup the datasource use an on-startup trigger ... ?
<derek> importing things from designer could make it easier as well
<derek> i.e. you shouldnt have to write the form create routines too much
<derek> but rather take data entered and use 'wizards' guts or such
<Vee2d2> forms just became a little more interesting.. =) 
Action: derek isnt sure why that made it more interesting
<derek> i.e. not sure why you would want to make forms too much within forms
<derek> i would suspect it would be easier to write custom wizards for designer
<derek> to get more power for less work
<derek> i.e. all wizards are merely plugins
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<Vee2d2> well.. I've been thinking about the SKU thing.. I can imagine 3 ways to organize a SKU.. 1) Simple serialized number which is N digits long. 2) A number with N segments one or more of which are a serialized number and one or more are derived from predefined lookup tables and 3) a segmented number completely derived from lookup tables just as well, I imagine 2 ways to handle the segments 1) a predefined padded length (2 would give a 
<Vee2d2> of 00-99), 2) delimited with or without a contraint on their length/scope.. I know there are many different ways it has been implemented, so I was thinking if there was a way to configure how a SKU were established, then you could use that information to create your forms to manipulate them based on that configuration. eg: we could have a table something like: id, segorder=to set a sorta pecking order for how the segments are put to
<Vee2d2> , segtype=alpha? numeric? hexidecimal? etc.., segdelimiter=if it's a delimited sku, how? period? dash? or none?, segsize=what's the length if there's a size constraint?, srctype=is this a serialized segment or derived from a lookup?, srctbl=if a lookup, what table?, description=what's this segment represent? I was imagining that each row in that table defined a segment. In a form to maintain skus that table could be queried and buil
<Vee2d2> form according to the data extrapolated. Descriptions would be labels, if the segment was a lookup a dropdown could be created, etc.. 
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<derek> too much to read :)
<Vee2d2> I'm suprised xchat's input buffer is that larger (well, larger even).. =)
<derek> i cant read all that in xchat
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<derek> way i planned on doing it was drop downs and triggers
<derek> you selected the 'categories' or such that generate the numbers
<Vee2d2> any news on the gnue-sb lists?
<derek> no :(
<derek> i really think making a dynamic form is a bad solution
<derek> at least in the gnue world
<derek> maybe for gnue proper
<derek> but getting sku numbers that complex in gnue-sb i think is over kill
<derek> i would suspect (at least from my clients) the big thing is they want 'smarter' part numbers and dont want to have to pull number out of arse when a new part comes in
<derek> though they want to be able to change things
<derek> so i would see categories as drop down types
<derek> that have a number associated
<derek> each type then displays the number
<derek> so say i have 3 types
<derek> cat1 cat2 cat3
<derek> in the drop down for cat1 i select
<derek> 23 - Monster Trucks
<derek> cat 2
<derek> 12 - Suspension
<derek> cat3
<Vee2d2> right, well, my concern there is 2 fold. first is it seems like that would create very large numbers and very large numbers are hard to manage outside of the computer. and second, if I were a consultant this could be a bonus to be able to adapt to a running system rather than expect a migration if things didnt fit. 
<derek> 20 - Coil Spring
<derek> and that creates in labels
<derek> 23 - 12 - 20
<Vee2d2> ok, well.. if there were only 3 categories that would be different
<derek> then in number (where person can enter)
<derek> they select
<derek> 493
<derek> so now label says
<derek> 23-12-20-493
<derek> then there is button
<derek> where you can make that label popluate the sku #
<derek> but by no means are you forced to use that number
<derek> i.e. the sku# is a free form field
<derek> but you can use the categories to generate a number
<derek> and use it if you like
<derek> gnue-sb will likely work this way as that how the first user would like it to work
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<Vee2d2> who is the first user, btw.. =)
<Vee2d2> I intend to make use of it as well.. So in doing this I think of my own needs primarily. 
<psu> Vee2d2 - itch-scratching, the basis of all good free software ;-)
<Vee2d2> as it is, my numbers are completely derived from lookup tables and are in 5 segments/categories
<Vee2d2> psu: amen
<Vee2d2> derek: based on your examples here and before, I'm guessing the customer is a parts shop or dealership..? =)
<derek> http://www.unlimitedengineering.com/
<Vee2d2> weee! look at that dude fly! =)
<derek> all i can say is they are 100 times more impressive in person
<derek> and im not a car fan
<Vee2d2> oh wait.. these are rc? niftyroo!
<derek> anyhow your 5 segments and what im talking about should work
<derek> and still be flexible
<Vee2d2> s'pose
<derek> the create own form on the fly scares me too much
<derek> especially when im already behind schedule :)
<Vee2d2> food for thought, though? 
<derek> yeah
<derek> wish the lists worked :(
<derek> so that you could send what you pasted there and i could read it and chew on it
<derek> all run into three paragraphs made it hard to follow
<Vee2d2> I have it all noted down in my scratch txts and will send as soon as they're working for broader conversation on the topic..
<derek> cool
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<derek> reinhard: he's a coding, coding, coding machine
<reinhard> from time to time ;-)
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<StyXman> hi yo's
<psu> happy new year, StyXman
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<jcater> sigh
<jcater> this is sick
<jcater> searching for "layout management" on google
<jcater> we are in top 10 results
<jcater> that's wrong
<ra3vat> lol, let's talk more about goats then
<ra3vat> jcater: how to access parameters in report triggers?
<jbailey> jcater: There aren't that many things in life dedicated just to layout stuff.
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<ra3vat> anyone has a report trigger?
<ra3vat> how to reach cparam, cconst values from trigger code?
<StyXman> how should I use the .04to0.5 conversor?
<ra3vat> run it with your form as param
<StyXman> ra3vat: uh, the resulting form does not work...
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<ra3vat> orig form will be saved with <name>-PRE050 name
<ra3vat> old form will be saved with <name>-PRE050 name
<StyXman> ra3vat: no, the new one does not work with current cvs og gnue.
<ra3vat> in most cases mine worked
<StyXman> ok, I'll finish the file by hand
<ra3vat> what the errors it raises?
<StyXman> ra3vat: it's a c:x in logic
<ra3vat> i had something like this when tried to run old form with new code
<jcater> StyXman: you will have to provide more information for us to help you
<StyXman> ra3vat: d'you know how can I realize if the form is right?
<StyXman> jcater: I can give the original file.
<ra3vat> ?
<StyXman> I meant, if the .gfd is a valid xml file?
<StyXman> the first thing I got was
<StyXman> Error processing <button> tag [I do not recognize the "c:y" attribute
<StyXman> all the c:thing went right to the logic part. I removed those. all of them
<StyXman> then I got
<StyXman> <unknown>:70:64: duplicate attribute
<jcater> lovely
<StyXman> in the <layout> tag the xmlns:c thig went twice
<StyXman> along with width and height, wich I also removed
<StyXman> (c:width and c:height)
<StyXman> and now I'm stuck with DB000:   File "/home/mdione/src/gnue/head/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFObjects/GFButton.py", line 50, in initialize
<StyXman> DB000:     self._page._entryList.append(self)
<StyXman> DB000: AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute '_entryList'
<StyXman> the form just has ...
<StyXman> gosh, I broke everything
<StyXman> ok, let's restart
<StyXman> is c:width valid in the <logic> section?
<ra3vat> no, i think
<ra3vat> c:width as well as <button> all in layout part
<StyXman> so, th converter put all my buttons in the logic part
<ra3vat> it is strange as i had no much manual editing after converting
<StyXman> ra3vat: maybe I better send the file? it's a small one, it just has buttons
<ra3vat> just were typing to suggest that
<StyXman> could that be a problem? can a form have no logic?
<StyXman> dcc?
<StyXman> mail?
<ra3vat> ds at ics.elcom.ru
<StyXman> ra3vat: going
<StyXman> ra3vat: the original one, right?
<ra3vat> yes
<jcater> StyXman: did you have buttons as children of <block>s ?
<StyXman> ra3vat: gone
<StyXman> I mean, the file was sent
<ra3vat> StyXman: you sent converted, not original one
<StyXman> jcater: that was fast
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<ra3vat> StyXman: converter saves new form under original form name. it seems that you run converter twice
<StyXman> ra3vat: I cannotr be _that_ stupid, can I?
<StyXman> ra3vat: no, I sent the chopped-by-me one
<ra3vat> i run converver over converted already file and now i have what you described above
<ra3vat> logic layout button c:... all mixed up
<StyXman> ra3vat: I sent it again
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<StyXman> no, that one won't work either.
<StyXman> shit
<StyXman> I'm so tired
<ra3vat> let's try again from the beginning
<ra3vat> take one form, make sure it is in old format (so no lofic layout c:.. things in there)
<ra3vat> run converter
<StyXman> I did
<ra3vat> find two files 
<StyXman> I get, again
<ra3vat> make sure which one in new format
<StyXman> 41:[martina:~/src/trash & toys] $ cp ../papo/forms/main.gfd .
<StyXman> 42:[martina:~/src/trash & toys] $ ../gnue/head/forms/utils/gfd04to05.py main.gfd
<StyXman> 43:[martina:~/src/trash & toys] $ gfcvs-head main.gfd
<StyXman> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<StyXman> DB000:   File "/home/mdione/src/gnue/head/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 147, in ?
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<StyXman> I guess they don't like pasting
<StyXman> should I send it once more?
<StyXman> or you can download it?
Action: jcater asks again... do you have a <button> as a child of a <block> ??
<StyXman> jcater: all the buttons
<StyXman> 10, more or less, 
<StyXman> child of ~5 box'es
<StyXman> no.
<jcater> ok, I don't think it was accounting for buttons in blocks
<StyXman> wait
<jcater> cvs update and try again, if so
<StyXman> from the beggining: can I do a form without any block?
<ra3vat> StyXman: see, the file name you sent me main.gfd-PRE050, so it should be in 0.4 gfd format
<ra3vat> but 
<StyXman> yes, I know... :(
<StyXman> I'll send it again
<ra3vat> it is full of logic layout and other 0.5 things
<StyXman> yes :-/
<ra3vat> then i'm sure main.gfd is passed through converver minimum twice 
<StyXman> jcater: we have more complicated things like that. boxes inside boxes inside blocks and so on.
<StyXman> jcater: would that be 'wrong'?
<ra3vat> jcater: may be it is better to save converted file with new name, it will require manual renaming but exclude such a mistake?
<jcater> StyXman: well, the converter won't support it
<jcater> nor will gnue head
<jcater> I'm not sure what it will do
<jcater> ra3vat: the syntax is: gfd04to05.py <source.gfd> [<destination.gfd>]
<jcater> if you specify two names on the command line, then the second one is the output name and the first one is left unchanged
<jcater> if you only specify one form, then the original is renamed and the new one is created in its place
<StyXman> jcater: good.
<StyXman> jcater: I asw that blocks are containers. may be that gets in the middle?
<StyXman> s/asw/saw
<Vee2d2> I thought the -PRE050 tag was misleading, -ORIG or something might have been better.. seeing as how .5 isnt a 'release' yet.. I thought the output was thrown out there with a label to the version it converted to
<StyXman> brb
<ra3vat> jcater: i'm comfortable with it anyway, thanks for clarifying
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<reinhard> btw
<reinhard> jcater: thanks for your changes in the copyright message everywhere :-)
<reinhard> em
<reinhard> copyright comment, not message
<reinhard> night all
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<ra3vat> StyXman: it may be you have button inside box
<StyXman> sure I have
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<ra3vat> i had no problem with buttons inside block
<StyXman> but I don't even want a block in that form
<StyXman> thing is, it won't run if it doesn't
<StyXman> ah! coffee!
<ra3vat> StyXman: converter does not like box tag
<ra3vat> if you remove it converted form looks good
<ra3vat> with block like
<ra3vat>   <logic>
<ra3vat>     <block name="mainBlock" datasource="tmpDataSource"/>
<ra3vat>   </logic>
<StyXman> ra3vat: but do I need to have a logic part?
<ra3vat> without a block it looks like <logic/>
<StyXman> ra3vat: I see
<StyXman> jcater: worked.
<StyXman> now I'll try to run it
<StyXman> ra3vat: need to have a <block> thing :-/
<ra3vat> yes gfclient does not like if it is missed
<StyXman> DB000:   File "/home/mdione/src/gnue/head/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 281, in updateRecordCounter
<StyXman> DB000:     self.updateStatusBar(currentRecord=self._form._currentBlock._currentRecord+1,
<StyXman> DB000: AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute '_currentRecord'
<StyXman> is what I got
<psu> hmm
<ra3vat> the same here
<psu> is there any way to tell if a CVS commit is b0rked
<psu> or just taking a long time?
<StyXman> psu: net logs?
<StyXman> ethereal, tcp-dump, etc?
<ra3vat> StyXman: without block tag converter placed </layout> tag in wrong place 
<ra3vat> it looked like
<psu> StyXman: yep, I'll try some of those
<ra3vat>   <layout xmlns:c="GNUe:Layout:Char" c:height="20" c:width="40">
<ra3vat>     <page name="Principal"/>
<ra3vat>   </layout>
<ra3vat>   <button name="productButton" c:height="1" label="Productos" c:width="20"
<ra3vat>           c:x="10" c:y="1">
<StyXman> well, the conversion seems to went right, but the form is not loaded.
<ra3vat> can you load it with block and datasource well defined? 
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<StyXman> ra3vat: well defined?
<ra3vat> valid datasource
<StyXman> as in
<StyXman>   <logic>
<StyXman>     <block name="mainBlock" datasource="tmpDataSource"/>
<StyXman>   </logic>
<ra3vat> yes may be
<StyXman> tmpDataSource is valid
<ra3vat> i'm trying to play with one of mine form
<StyXman> no, I got the message above :-/
<StyXman> psu: any luck?
<ra3vat> form with only labels in layout part gives me
<ra3vat> DB000:     raise  _('There are no navigable widgets in this form.  Unable to display.')
<ra3vat> DB000: There are no navigable widgets in this form.  Unable to display.
<StyXman> ra3vat: yes, I know that
<StyXman> :-/
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<ra3vat> StyXman: i added one entry field and got your form running
<ra3vat> you can make it hidden :)
<StyXman> ra3vat: ah, good
<StyXman> in the logic part?
<StyXman> can paste the <entry> line?
<StyXman> I'm not familiar w/ the new gfd's
<ra3vat>   <logic>
<ra3vat>     <block name="mainBlock">
<ra3vat>     <field name="id"/>
<ra3vat>     </block>
<ra3vat>   </logic>
<StyXman> 10x
<ra3vat> then in layout part
<ra3vat>       <entry block="mainBlock" field="id" c:x="30" c:y="18" c:width="6"/>
<StyXman> ánd hidden goes...?
<ra3vat> box tags were removed before converting
<StyXman> jcater: containers will no more be 'visual'containers?
<jcater> we haven't implemented containers yet
<jcater> in the old version or the new
<StyXman> ra3vat: here are just empty
<ra3vat> try hidden="" inside entry
<ra3vat> what empty?
<jcater> with the exception of a <page> 
<StyXman> jcater: really? we have one, but just for box'es.
<StyXman> I sent a patch for that one a looong time ago and it almos got in, but it was disabled for 0.4.0 release, AFAIK
<jcater> yes
<jcater> it broke a lot of existing forms
<jcater> when applying I thought it was backward compatable
<jcater> but I haven't had time to correct it
<StyXman> ah, there should have a way to tell.
<StyXman> I can try to correct it
<StyXman> d'you say I use a container attr, or somethjing else?
<StyXman> or do I better stop donig things... ?
<StyXman> :)
<jcater> well, I think we are leaning to not having a dual function <box> tag, but an actual container tag of sorts
<jcater> but I'm not 100% sure what we want to do there yet
<StyXman> so, now I just draw a box and put things 'by hand' inside?
<StyXman> I should do a converter for those
<ra3vat> jcater: where should trigger be tied to field tag in logic or entry tag in layout?
<ra3vat> what's the difference if both ways are possible?
<jcater> ra3vat: there's not a 1:1 relationship between a field (logic) and an entry (layout)... there's a 1:many
<jcater> most of the time you'd probably want to do a <field> trigger
<StyXman> jcater: does on-change exist for field?
<ra3vat> ok
<jcater> I thought so
<StyXman> ok, thanks guys. see you tomorrow.
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<ra3vat> jcater: i was able to change output report encoding by specifying encoding in .xsl file (f.e. text.xsl) like this
<ra3vat> <xsl:output method="text" indent="no" encoding="koi8-r"/>
<ra3vat> should i provide separate .xsl file for each target encoding?
<ra3vat> where to place customized .xsl files by default?
<ra3vat> is there a way to specify output encoding on the fly?
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<ra3vat> on second question: it may be somewhere in ~/gnue/shared/filters
<ra3vat> <ra3vat> anyone has a report trigger?
<ra3vat> <ra3vat> how to reach cparam, cconst values from trigger code?
<ra3vat> jamest: btami has some fixes for my GBaseApp.py on clean woody installation with python 2.1.3
<ra3vat> did you get any message from him about that?
<jamest> recently?  I have a mail from a day or so ago
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<ra3vat> jamest: probably it is it as today it was reply from arturas
<ra3vat> jamest: where to find a good example of using common for standalone applications?
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<derek> hi dave
<dyfet> hi!
<dyfet> is there any gnue plans for lw at this point?
<derek> none
<derek> we cant afford to go
<derek> and we werent able to get a booth (yet they list us as exhibitors) go figure
<derek> if they do put a booth up for us please do fill it
<derek> i need to get off my butt and get a speaking engagement ready for lwe 2003 san francisco
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<dyfet> lol i have to stay on this window...
<dyfet> hmm...we may already have bayonne at two booths this year...if a gnue booth is there, we could make it three :)
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<dyfet> welcome back!
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<Vee2d2> 'sup chilly
<chillywilly> eh...
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<chillywilly> thanks
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