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<jcater> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0101-07.htm
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<Arturas> Hello
<chillywilly> yo
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<ra3vat> hello all
<kid> hello ra3vat
<ra3vat> hi kid
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<ariel_> hi all
<kid> hello
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<Vee2d2> wb kid
<kid> excude the stupid question: what's wb?
<Vee2d2> welcome back
<kid> ah thx
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<ra3vat> Arturas: how is the exam?
<Arturas> excellent :)
<Arturas> and a lot of them still left :(
<Arturas> :)
<Arturas> are you going to commit GBaseApp today? sometime about now? :)
<ra3vat> i'm busy now, should check it one more before committing
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<Arturas> could you please then simply email it in it's current state for me? i'd like to work with it
<reinhard> rofl
<reinhard> fortune gave me this:
<reinhard> 0 7     * * *   echo "...Linux is just a fad" | mail billg@microsoft.com -s=
<reinhard>  "And remember..."
<reinhard> would be cool if debian had this in default crontab ;-)
<kid> seems u have not enough phone terror this day?
<ra3vat> Arturas: will do now
<Arturas> thank you :)
<reinhard> bbl
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<ra3vat> Arturas: you here?
<ra3vat> mine has this
<ra3vat>     def gettext(self, message):
<ra3vat>         return self._catalog.get(message, message)
<ra3vat>     def ugettext(self, message):
<ra3vat>         tmsg = self._catalog.get(message, message)
<ra3vat>         print "*** ra3vat gettext.tmsg ", tmsg
<ra3vat>         return unicode(tmsg, self._charset)
<Arturas> sorrym yes, i'm here
<ra3vat> another one 
<Arturas> this is from gettext.py?
<ra3vat> yes
<ra3vat> Author: James Henstridge <james@daa.com.au>
<ra3vat> (This is loosely based on gettext.pl in the GNU gettext distribution)
<ra3vat> looks very different
<Arturas> loosely means not closely? :)
<Arturas>     def gettext(self, message):
<Arturas>         return self._catalog.get(message, message)
<Arturas>     def ugettext(self, message):
<Arturas>         tmsg = self._catalog.get(message, message)
<Arturas>         return unicode(tmsg, self._charset)
<Arturas> this is gettext from python2.1
<Arturas> looks the same
<ra3vat> yeah, than my guessing is wrong
<Arturas> where did you get "Author: James Henstridge <james@daa.com.au>" ?
<Arturas>                       ... from?
<ra3vat> from another gettext.py
<Arturas> :0
<ra3vat> <Arturas> DB000:     return catalog.ugettext(msg).encode(runtime_charset)
<ra3vat> <Arturas> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/gettext.py", line 195, in ugettext
<ra3vat> <Arturas> DB000:     return unicode(tmsg, self._charset)
<ra3vat> <Arturas> DB000: TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None
<ra3vat> then check why self._charset is not set properly
<Arturas> i can't - don't have admin rights on this machine - can't do simple and helpful print :/
<Arturas> but 
<Arturas> runtime_charset is set for sure (i checked)
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<ra3vat>                     if k == 'content-type':
<ra3vat>                         self._charset = v.split('charset=')[1]
<ra3vat> may it be that your translation file has not charset settings?\
<Arturas> you mean .po file?
<Arturas> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso8859-13\n"
<Arturas> "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
<Arturas> and this worked (and works) for gettext
<Arturas> (i mean gettext, not ugettext)
<ra3vat> but it is the only place where self._charset is assigned with something instead of None
Action: Arturas has lost in bit and byte world...
<Arturas> tomorrow i'll be using machine where i'm admin, so i'll be able to check gettext.py from inside
<ra3vat> ~/gnue/translations/lt_LT/LC_MESSAGES/gnue.mo does not include charset definition
<Arturas> how do you see this? from: Þ^R^D<95>^@^@^@^@\^A^@^@^\^@^@^@ü ?? :)
<Arturas> ah
<Arturas> i'ms tupid
<Arturas> found out :)
<Arturas> nah
<Arturas> the same stupid error
<Arturas> DB000:     t = catalog.ugettext(msg)
<Arturas> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/gettext.py", line 195, in ugettext
<Arturas> DB000:     return unicode(tmsg, self._charset)
<Arturas> DB000: TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None
<ra3vat> i removed charset from my gnue.po
<ra3vat> then
<ra3vat> [ds@ics LC_MESSAGES]$ LC_ALL=C msgfmt -o gnue.mo gnue.po
<ra3vat> gnue.po: warning: Charset missing in header.
<ra3vat>                   Message conversion to user's charset will not work.
<Arturas> add something like #,fuzzy into .po header
<ra3vat> works anyway here but swithed to original en messages
<Arturas> i removed this header from my gnue.po, made gnue.mo (there is Encoding inside), and it does not work
<ra3vat> paste how that fuzzy should looks there
<Arturas> # SOME DESCRIPTIVE TITLE.
<Arturas> # Copyright (C) YEAR Free Software Foundation, Inc.
<Arturas> # FIRST AUTHOR <EMAIL@ADDRESS>, YEAR.
<Arturas> #
<Arturas> #, fuzzy
<Arturas> msgid ""
<Arturas> msgstr ""
<Arturas> "Project-Id-Version: PACKAGE VERSION\n"
<Arturas> "POT-Creation-Date: 2002-07-05 13:48+0200\n"
<Arturas> "PO-Revision-Date: 2002-07-05 13:48+0200\n"
<Arturas> "Last-Translator: Artûras Kriukovas <arturas@codeworks.lt>\n"
<Arturas> "Language-Team: Lithuania\n"
<Arturas> "MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
<Arturas> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso8859-13\n"
<Arturas> "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
<Arturas> .. translations here....
<ra3vat> ok
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<ra3vat> DB000:     return unicode(tmsg, self._charset)
<ra3vat> DB000: TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None
<ra3vat> what is that fuzzy for?
<Arturas> you get the same error?! :)
<Arturas> fuzzy shoudl show wether .po file is finally ready for final release or some errors are still to be excpected... or something like that
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<ra3vat> but fuzzy removes all header information from .mo file
<Arturas> that seems so
<Arturas> oh, it works now :)
<Arturas> i've never thought :)
<Arturas> thank you, Dmitry
<ra3vat> :)
<ra3vat> GBaseApp should do checks better for this
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<kid> @reinhard: will delete() really delete an object from the database or just from object cache?
<reinhard_> from database
<kid> so some ref-integrity stuff will be necessary on app-server
<reinhard_> yes of course
<kid> k, thx
<reinhard_> not only that
<reinhard_> but for example business rules can describe that
<reinhard_> a customer may not be deleted if it is from austria
<kid> but in cases where the information about object references is available also the framework could
<reinhard_> (bad example but maybe you get the point)
<reinhard_> well 
<kid> so i just would change the state of the object if its master data
<kid> but this starts to repeat our discussion
<reinhard_> that is something that i think the framework _will_ do
<reinhard_> check integrity
<kid> btw: i'm currently trying to add the features discussed y'day to a subclass of geasSession
<kid> good point is: property definition handling seems to be quite straightforward 
<reinhard_> which features exactly?
<reinhard_> the status handling?
<kid> yes, this is one
<reinhard_> ah ok
<reinhard_> i'm curious
<reinhard_> :-)
<kid> other is the processing of "external" generic definitions for properties
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<kid> as sent in my python-example
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<kid> btw: you wanna bet whether my new box arrived in time?
<reinhard_> hmm
<reinhard_> now as you are hacking i guess
<reinhard_> "no"
<kid> 100 pts austria
<reinhard_> because ohterwise you would be installing ;-)
<reinhard_> that should be
<reinhard_> "autriche: dix points - austria ten points"
<reinhard_> ;-)
<kid> lol
<kid> and i could have used next weekend
<kid> what a pity
<kid> so 1 1/2 weeks lost again
<reinhard_> well
<reinhard_> not much when i look back on 1 1/2 lost years
<reinhard_> j/k
<ra3vat> :)
<kid> as i told u y'day i'll not be hear till weekend of NEXT weekend
<kid> not even irc available
<reinhard_> ah
<reinhard_> we'll miss you
<kid> sweet
<kid> but i guess this year will start that cruel that i'm brainwashed once im out of office
<kid> what about your phone conferences today?
<reinhard_> well it was ok
<reinhard_> i didn't get anything done actually
<reinhard_> but i'm still alive
<reinhard_> and that's more than i could have hoped for ;-)
<kid> is this support paid or do you have some fixed amount for it?
<reinhard_> i have support contracts
<reinhard_> and customers who don't have one get paid support
<reinhard_> for EUR 100 per hour
<kid> that's ok
<reinhard_> ok
<reinhard_> have to look after the kids
<reinhard_> bbl
<kid> cu
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<Arturas> bye
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<Chipaca> hi all
<Chipaca> lo all?
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<ra3vat> hello Chipaca
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<Chipaca> 'sup
<ra3vat> quiet here, seems not only we have a holiday today
<Chipaca> oh?
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<kid> by @ll
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<dtm> derek: i just got a call from an IT guy with the City of Phoenix, who wants to move to Bayonne
<dtm> on a totally shoestring budget.  probably can't even afford new hardware, still using ISA phone cards ;)
<dtm> so i pointed him to PLUG
<dtm> and such
<dtm> he's bucking the system; he even learned cygwin when they *took away* his redhat box
<dtm> i love it when newbies turn to vigilante IT
<dtm> but they do need plenty of support
<dtm> i told him how PLUG was all for Maricopa County's non-monopolistic well being
<dtm> so hopefully he'll be tuned in
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<revDeke> piont him directly to me if possible
<revDeke> im starting a local downtown user group meeting
<revDeke> the city IT building is across the street from me
<dtm> revDeke: i gave him your name, but alas i dont have his contact info
<dtm> his name was Greg
<dtm> sounds good dewd
<dtm> told him about gnue, etc
<dtm> so you might possibly call the govt and ask for anyone in IT or engineering named Greg  :}
<dtm> i didn't take his contact info coz he has tiny budget and can't afford any commercial services
<dtm> just wanted to know about bayonne
<dtm> so i loaded him with community info, told him to run bayonne on his sound card, and to call again
<dtm> and he was quite pleased in light of his budget
<dtm> he'd even heard of voxilla.org, woohoo
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<chillywilly> ccaudio
<Chipaca> how does bayonne run on your sound card?
<revDeke> Chipaca: first it puts on its adidas
<revDeke> peels off its jogging suit
<revDeke> steps up to the soundcard and stretches a few times
<revDeke> takes a warm up lap or two around the motherboard
<chillywilly> revDeke: you are lame
<revDeke> and voila next thing you know the buggers running on your soundcard
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<dtm> Chipaca: it just does!
<dtm> hehe
<dtm> Chipaca: it's got a demo mode
<dtm> so you can test your bayonne apps
<Chipaca> rats
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<chillywilly> dtm does even know his own prodcts form which he peddles
<chillywilly> doesn't
<chillywilly> s/from/of/
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<chillywilly> dtm: do you call up custumers and yell, 
<chillywilly> "show me the money!!!"
<chillywilly> cause that would be the col way to collect on accounts payable ;)
<chillywilly> er, cool
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<dtm> hehe
<dtm> well
<dtm> i'm working on that
<dtm> Chipaca: hahah
<dtm> yeah but for the newbz, i'm pretty hot!!!
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<dtm> they like to schmooze
<dtm> i give them overall advice on the business case 
<dtm> Chipaca: yeah you can use a sound card in lieu of a phone card, for testing ;)
<chillywilly> "The Art of Schmooze" by Dan Bethe
<chillywilly> dtm: ccaudio gives me linking errors!!!
<chillywilly> meh!
<ra3vat> dtm: what will be lost in that "testing" mode
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<dtm> ra3vat: not really sure
<dtm> ra3vat: well it can't make phone calls obviously
<dtm> ra3vat: you can just listen, and the software will function
<chillywilly> he's a contractor he's not required to know anything
<chillywilly> ;P
<dtm> as it can be very expensive or difficult to test on live equipment like a T1
<dtm> ra3vat: go grab it and see
<dtm> everyone except for chillywilly is installing and using it right away!
<chillywilly> are the debian packages of all the stuff?
<dtm> heheh  no i dont know how hard it is.
<chillywilly> cause that would dave me some headcache
<chillywilly> er, save ;)
<dtm> bayonne might be WICKED STEWPID HARD TO INSTALL
<chillywilly> dave too ;)
<dtm> for all i knwo
<dtm> you guys just wait til linuxworld though
<dtm> You just wait.
<dtm> oh, yes
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<dtm> oh you're in for SUCH A SURPRISE
<dtm> HAHAHAHA
<ra3vat> Chipaca: we have to find one 2400 modem to make a phone call
<dtm> ra3vat: cool
<chillywilly> brb
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<chillywilly> whilst my kernel compiles yet again :(
<chillywilly> frelling epochs
<Chipaca> ra3vat: say again?
<dtm> yes, frell away
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<dtm> dewd try 'apt-get install bayonne'!  i dont know if there's debian packages!
<dtm> that would require me to use or know about debian
<dtm> which i do not
<dtm> i dont admit that my ost workstation runs it
<dtm> esands: Couldn't find package bayonne
<dtm> :/
<dtm> wait
<ra3vat> Chipaca: <dtm> ra3vat: well it can't make phone calls obviously
<dtm> bad nick completion
<dtm> yeah
<dtm> yoru 2400 bps modem can be your call center, yes
<dtm> hit it
<Chipaca> err
<Chipaca> I have a 1200 bps modem...
<ra3vat> too old
<Chipaca> :(
<ra3vat> and slow
<ra3vat> :)
<dtm> wow
<dtm> well and it probably doesn't do voice ;)
<Chipaca> what exactly can bayonne do? is it just a call center thing?
<Chipaca> or is it anything else?
<Chipaca> 24:john@salma:links-2.1pre7$ ./configure --enable-graphics --enable-javascript
<Chipaca> ouch, wrong window
<dtm> http://www.gnu.org/software/bayonne/bayonne.html
<dtm> go ahead and take a look
<dtm> it's the best IVR on the planet!
<dtm> think of it as the apache of telephony
<dtm> takes virtually any type of telephony device and turns it into a call center, an IVR, voicemail server, etc
<dtm> it's the best for most people.
<Chipaca> IVR is an interactive voice racoon?
<dtm> yes
<dtm> it's best to wear a turtleneck though when calling a Bayonne, because otherwise the 'coon will go to town on your neck, seeing how the phone's held up to your ear
<dtm> possibly kevlar
<dtm> the coons are clean, however
<dtm> unlike competing products' coons
<dtm> some may use cheaper imitation coons, such as possums
<dtm> or feral cats
<dtm> Derek's organization actually *has* some in its employ, from what I hear
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<dtm> running the place!
<dtm> Chipaca: IVR == interactive voice response
<Vee2d2> seriously ivr is like a voice menu?
<dtm> i.e. a menu with prompts and often voicemail
<Chipaca> the image of open racoons is at least disturbing
<dtm> "thank you for calling XXX.  press 1 for sales, 2 for collections, and 3 to troutslap chilly"
<dtm> Chipaca: :/  yeah
<dtm> well
<dtm> that's the free software version
<dtm> if you buy it from OST, we take out the racoons :/
<chillywilly> pick 3!
[14:26] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
<dtm> Quality assurance is the key
<chillywilly> damnit the kernel is still going
<dtm> we strive for it.
<dtm> chillywilly: after 00:18:16?  amazing
<dtm> we compiled kernel 1.2.13 on a 90 MHz pentium in that time!
<Chipaca> chillywilly: you should really go for the 387
<chillywilly> I have gnome 2 running on my 450MHz laptop w/160MB RAM
<chillywilly> and gcc 3.2
<chillywilly> which is kinda slow
<chillywilly> and my kernel config is...
<chillywilly> kinda big
<Chipaca> compiling 2.5?
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> 2.4.20-xfs
<chillywilly> from sgi's cvs
<Chipaca> I didn't know 2.4 worked when compiled with 3.2
<chillywilly> hmmm, maybe I do have the old gcc laying around
<chillywilly> 2.95.4
<chillywilly> yep
<chillywilly> oh well
<dtm> is 3.2 slower?
<chillywilly> but I only use g++ 3.2 for c++ hacking
<chillywilly> well g++ 3.2 is slower
<Chipaca> dtm: depends what you're measuring
<chillywilly> and it is just a c++ frontend
<Chipaca> chillywilly: "
<chillywilly> to gcc
<Chipaca> chillywilly: g++ is contained in gcc
<chillywilly> right
<chillywilly> the gnu compiler collection
<chillywilly> BUT I was meaning the c++ compiler is a frontend to the C compiler
<Chipaca> dtm: the resulting binaries are usually smaller, faster, or both
<chillywilly> and in the sense Iw as talking gcc == the c compiler
<chillywilly> right, but it takes longer to compiler
<chillywilly> compile
<Chipaca> chillywilly: gcc is the compiler, when invoked directly it works like cc
<chillywilly> but my machine isn't the fastest int he world
Action: Chipaca 's is
<chillywilly> Chipaca: really?!?1
<chillywilly> WOW!!!!
<chillywilly> AWESOME!!!!!
<Chipaca> not _this_ world
<chillywilly> YOUS JUST SAID WHAT I SAID!!!!!!
<Chipaca> chillywilly: no, you didn't
<chillywilly> what?
<chillywilly> are you blind?
<chillywilly> gah, phone
Action: Chipaca tries to figure out what chillywilly is on about
<chillywilly> you're trying to arge semantics with me about gcc
<chillywilly> gcc is the command for the c compiler
<chillywilly> and also mean the gnu compiler collection when talking about the project as a whole
<chillywilly> and I was acknowledging that
<chillywilly> and then you attempted to argue with me about it
<Chipaca> chillywilly: no, I didn't attempt to argue. I just came in and won the argument.
Action: Chipaca grins
<chillywilly> you didn't win squat
<Chipaca> why would I want to win *that*?
<chillywilly> you attemtped to say what was already said
<chillywilly> therefore making an ass of yorself
<chillywilly> so cork it
<Chipaca> chillywilly: I think you misunderstand...
<Chipaca> try this
<Chipaca> ls -li /usr/bin/g{cc,++}-2.95
<chillywilly> I know gcc is a symlink
<chillywilly> that's besides thew point
<chillywilly> I have both installed
<chillywilly> but
<Chipaca> agh
<chillywilly> the current symlink points at the old one
Action: dtm declares all of gnue the winner in this contest!
<Chipaca> look at the file sizes!
<dtm> the amount of knowledge that chillywilly and Chipaca have just imparted to this channel are invaluable to humanity
<dtm> you all get the nobel prize
<Chipaca> dtm: here, go get me a coke
<dtm> for increasing the amount of ascii in the world
<dtm> ok sure
<chillywilly> I don't have the old g++ though
<chillywilly> so that command only half works
<Chipaca> chillywilly: what I'm trying to say is that, as far as I know, gcc and g++ are the same program
<chillywilly> g++ 3.2 ias more standards compliant and secksy
<chillywilly> s/ias/is/
<chillywilly> right
<dtm> Chipaca: here ya go sir
<dtm> *coke*
<chillywilly> I jst said g++ was a frontend to the c compiler
<Chipaca> cheers
<chillywilly> silly
<chillywilly> lakajhdflkjs hdlkjfh slkdjfhk
<Chipaca> chillywilly: what I'm trying to say is that they are the _same_ _program_
Action: Chipaca is about to win by default
<chillywilly> nah
<chillywilly> danielb@frodo:~$ ls -li /usr/bin/g{cc,++}-3.2
<chillywilly>   16258 -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        84908 Dec 31 08:55 /usr/bin/g++-3.2*
<chillywilly>   16547 -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        81548 Dec 31 08:56 /usr/bin/gcc-3.2*
<chillywilly> eat it
<chillywilly> it's not the same program but a frontend
<chillywilly> to make the c++ code c code, afaik
<Chipaca> rats, that's new
<chillywilly> right, case gcc has had extensive changes to it anyway
<Chipaca> 154:john@pepa:ADM-201$ ls -l /usr/bin/g{cc,++}-2.95 
<Chipaca> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        74088 sep 23 19:13 /usr/bin/g++-2.95
<Chipaca> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        74088 sep 23 19:13 /usr/bin/gcc-2.95
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<chillywilly> danielb@frodo:/usr/bin$ ls -l g{cc,++}
<chillywilly> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            7 Sep 21 21:05 g++ -> g++-3.2*
<chillywilly> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            8 Sep  9 22:53 gcc -> gcc-2.95*
<chillywilly> see I made those symlinks
<chillywilly> I could change it to 3.2 if I wanted
<chillywilly> anyway
<chillywilly> this all was a pointless conversation
Action: chillywilly compiled mach64 drm module to hopefullty get 3d acceleration with his Rage Mobility P/M
<chillywilly> er, compiles
<jcater> aren't all #gnuenterprise conversations relatively pointless?
<jcater> by nature?
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> for the most part
<jcater> at least those involving chil*, eh?
<jcater> ooo
<chillywilly> right
<jcater> or is that [Cc]hi*
<jcater> ?
<chillywilly> so lick me bioitch
<jcater> :)
<chillywilly> that's an interesting typo
<jcater> bio-itch?
<jcater> sounds like something on a late night infomercial
<chillywilly> heheh
<jcater> "The all-natural herbal treatment for athlete's foot.... Bio-Itch"
Action: chillywilly has never capitalized his nick
Action: chillywilly is not that important
<chillywilly> oh wait but that matches what;s his nuts
<chillywilly> nm...
<chillywilly> :P
Action: chillywilly is quick today
<Chipaca> jcater: hi
<jcater> Chipaca: hello
<Chipaca> going slightly more on-topic,
<Chipaca> has anyone noticed, on a fast machine, that you have to click and hold down a button in a form for the triggers to work? meaning you can't just click?
<jcater> not I
<Chipaca> on a fast p4, this is
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<dtm> <jcater> aren't all #gnuenterprise conversations relatively pointless?
<dtm> yes.
<dtm> fyi.
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<reinhard> and now....
<reinhard> for something completely different
<reinhard> --
<reinhard> new Appserver API is fully implemented
<reinhard> we now need
<reinhard> * somebody who makes the RPC around this work
<reinhard> * a dbdriver for forms that uses the new api
<reinhard> --
<reinhard> well to be honest
<reinhard> it means that most of the api calls in usual cases have a result that is very close to what it should be ;-)
<reinhard> but it should be enough to build upon
<reinhard> ---
<reinhard> and now....
<reinhard> crunchy frog
<Vee2d2> mmmm crunchy frog!
<jbailey> Crunchy *tofu* frog?
<jcater> chocolate frog
<Vee2d2> quorn frog
<revDeke> frog donuts.....
<revDeke> that might just work down south
<jbailey> As long as 'frog donuts' aren't like 'rabbit pellets'
<jcater> well, what else could he mean by "work down south" ??
<ra3vat> rabbit eggs?
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<revDeke> poop he left too quickly
<revDeke> is there an easy way after apt-get update
<revDeke> to get a listing of packages that are upgradeable?
Action: revDeke so regularly just does apt-get upgrade :)
<revDeke> ok 
<revDeke> apt-get -u upgrade seems to work
<revDeke> man woody is so different than sarge/sid
<jcater> um, yeah
<revDeke> been a few months and only 24 packages to upgrade
<revDeke> to think thats how many get 'held back' on sid :)
<jcater> major glibc change, so most packages were touched :-/
<jcater> I hope it was workth it
<jcater> :)
<revDeke> go 2 weeks on sid w/o upgrading and bam 200+ packages to upgrade
<reinhard> night all
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<jcater> not "wait until she does herself"
<jcater> eh, cool
<jcater> MacOSX's new browser is based on Konqueror
<jcater> uses KHTML, konq's engine
<jcater> and they are sending all changed back to kde
<jcater> s/ed/es/
<revDeke> rolmao 
<revDeke> er roflmao
<revDeke> i never caught the 'wait until she does herself' 
<dtm> revDeke: what's yoru phone number
<dtm> i found that City of Phoenix guy's number
<revDeke> i prefer to converse via email
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<jcater> ping
<chillywilly> pong
<jcater> beginning to wonder... it's so quiet tonight :)
<chillywilly> ook
<drochaid> ook ok ooook?
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<dtm> drochaid: werd
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