dtm: whiiiiiiird so does gnue-sb do anything yet? I see some schema/sql stuff and some forms i dont know what gnue-sb is! derek should know if he is still awake um i dont know dtm: http://sv.gnu.org/projects/gnue-sb/ this was a general question for anyone to answer ;P everyone is probably in bed anyway derek: so you're doing a local IT town hall type thing for government bodies? derek: or what oh cool a new release of GSL (GNU Scientific Library) dtm: user meeting downtown anyone can attend but during lunch hour so i would suspect only people within 5 mile radius or so would be interested pretty much that is a lot of business and govt county, city, state govt buildings cool derek: you organized this yourself? bank one, bank of america, ernst young, wells fargo, az republic (local paper) yeah wow dtm: user meeting downtown users of what? who knows who will participate when is it? im doing as part of PLUG but im not into "Linux" im think MUGS: Maricopa Users of Gnu Software or something it will be monthly meeting what oh that's what you're thinking of naming it? basically its a linux user group but focus is on free software not just linux ok , why another one? hmm ? i stated its under PLUG umbrella why not a branch off of something existing oh OH i misread im doing as part of PLUG man i'm tired. i just have ethical problems with the name PLUG re: way too many PLUG folks are 'open source' and have NO CLUE about freedom to me this isnt acceptable at least not to a meeting i will be responsible for well then you'd have ethical problems with the name MUGS, since not all free software is GNU and obviously the name has virtually zero impact on that anyhow well i woudl like to say GPL instead of GNU not all free software is GPL as to me im only interested in GPL software for the most part Action: derek never stated that it was put it this way if its Linux Users Group : someone new wouldnt ever ask a question there's no way to convey that without saying "free software" where there is some embedded definition of the poorly-chosen and overloaded word "free" if its GNU Users Group : someone new would say WHAT THE HELL DOES GNU MEAN and frankly you cant answer what GNU is without explaining free software :) an incremental step in an arbitrary and ambiguous direction :) but keeping things moving is good i suppose just no good FS acronyms Action: derek tried yeah well the term "free software" isn't great to begin with, originally if i was working ofr the sheriff CUFFS : County Users of Fabulous Free Software for many reasons that'd work dtm: dont go down that road with me what road? while i think 'free' can be ambigious im not willing to say its too misleading to use with business users it's way beyond ambiguous; it's already taken in our materialistic culture to refer to monetary value. it's simply a misnomer not by linguistics but by cultural implication. open is just as bad it leaves out a MAJOR piece nope, it's completely accurate but it's suboptimal to people like us for other reasons i can have open software that is just as propreitary as non open software the solution would be for FSF to use something other than "free" yeah but it's correct. free is the correct word look in the dictionary no it's not; see above. it is not the FSF's fault that it has two meanings no its not well, sorry, it's correct, but it's wrong. if i have an animal in a cage. i let it go. Action: chillywilly always wondered why they never called it Freedom Software did i set it OPEN yay, analogies to explain to me the meanings of "free"! or did i set it FREE ? please dont tell me you think i set it open thx professor! hehe ok well great so you see they use the proper word i'm sure you'll do an excellent job and have a nontrivial impact no, they certainly dont but you'll do a good job nonetheless :) it is not their fault the english language sucks it's their fault they used a word that completely epitomizes the downfall of the language! and the same word that means free as in libre also means free as in no cost and then spend 50% of their effort verbally backpedaling from it dtm: you miss the point gratis, libre...use french :P no, i bypass your point and get to The Point there is no other word that means the same thing derek: that's totally absurd open doesnt mean the same thing as free as my caged animal example illustrates please tell me a word that means free and even if there wasn't one in English, which is not the case, they could borrow one from another language like most of the rest of English is to begin with. such as "libre" yes libre is a better word http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html simple as that but most people dont know french derek: most people don't know english. dtm: point well taken there, me looks around for jamest ;) i just think open is a horrid way to explain it man you guys need to cut jamest some slack because it looses the essence of what is important i will agree free is not a great term using the cultural origin of a word as a reason to not want to explain it, when you'd have to explain ANY word you use because the whole point is cultural reeducation but short of going with a non english word it's Free with a capital 'F' denoting freedom ;) :-D i dont think you can capture the essence of the meaning it's simply pointless to have to start the reeducation by forcing yourself to pedantically explain the meaning of an overloaded English word dood there wasnt a problem until damn open source started confusing people derek: yeah but that has nothing to do with this... "open source" is a completely accurate and correct term. it totally embodies the intended meaning. which is not the meaning we're talking about. its not frelling accurate yeah there was, as i'm obviously pointing out in every conceivable way that you're simply ignoring :) i have something that is open source and is sNOT free it's 100% accurate for a meaning other than what you wnt want look at microsoft SHARED SOURCE totally accurate for its intended meaning. its "open source" open source is not the important thing but the freedom you get with the software :) if im a partner to them i get the frelling code derek: no it's not. its SOURCE IS OPEN derek: I love your use of the word frelling :) my employer can get the source code to microsoft if we sign our life away and then we have open source m$ products but ill be darned if i consider that i'm free in doing what i like with it point is you can have the source code and not be free but you cant be free and not have the source code i.e. free software has the prequisite of having the source open source doesnt mandate freedom if you disagree with that you need to reread the pamphlets or put down the koolaid ;) it has a definition which defines certain freedoms that we have come to a consensus that all should have, imho Free Software that is but anyhow we digress.... very much so Action: derek said 'dont get me started on it'..... so i gave fair warning lets just agree to disagree as fun as it is to argue i need sleepage Action: derek is away: sleeping Action: chillywilly invokes derek.sleep() I think the ambiguity is easily cleared up and it creates less problems than "open source" "The fundamental difference between the two movements is in their values, their ways of looking at the world. For the Open Source movement, the issue of whether software should be open source is a practical question, not an ethical one. As one person put it, ``Open source is a development methodology; free software is a social movement.'' For the Open Source movement, non-free software is a suboptimal solution. For the Free Software ent, non-free software is a social problem and free software is the solution." Action: chillywilly will now also digress... reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard good morning Nick change: ra3vat_zZzZ -> ra3vat hello all hey psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-244-88.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning ariel_ how are you? johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) got netsplit. esands (~nic@mdr1-port40.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. esands (~nic@mdr1-port40.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) returned to #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) returned to #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. alex_k (~alex@195.54.196.227) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard_ (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) Nick change: reinhard_ -> reinhard hi reinhard! well thk you i was isolated 'cause i have connection problems at home and office was closed chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" i begun to download cvs and keep myself up to date just yesterday i noticed some progresses well done! yeah had a bit time over the holidays alex_k (~alex@195.54.196.227) left irc: "Client Exiting" Nick change: ra3vat -> ra3vat_out ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) rossg_ (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Hello howdy it's gonna be difficult to work today.. s'pose to be bright sunny and in the 70's Vee2d2: dcc some overheat here it is about -16F now and also difficult to work :) eek jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning jcater morning hrm SCO Linux was releases, I see interesting oh, man... I need to go hide in a hole our sales dept did a 80 page marketing slick for potential new sales reps and in there, they say we have a state of the art 8Gb hard disk to provide better service Action: jcater stands in awe of marketing minds sometimes what is your product/service? magazines Action: drochaid is back (gone 12:10:09) ahh.. =) we are a magazine clearinghouse, and do school fundraisers too I don't even think I have any client machines w/8Gb still alex_k (~alex@195.54.196.227) left irc: "Client Exiting" mason (~jmason@dyn-dsl-140.mm.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-244-88.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" reinhard_ (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) johannes__ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. sigh I've seen it all now they've ported quake2 to wxWindows bye Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Bye :)" mason (~jmason@dyn-dsl-140.mm.com) left irc: "QUIT : OMFG, this IRC Client ownz! HydraIRC, v0.336 (2/January/2003) -> http://fly.to/hydrairc <-" Isomer (dahoose@port-210-54-58-96.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) reinhard_ (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "It is easiest to suggest solutions when you know nothing about the problem" reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcatter: yeah your machines have 0gig drives. (ltsp) ;) true dat derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) speaking of which Action: jcater is STRONGLY considering, now that I have crossover w/Office of changing any remaining win98 machines over to xpde + crossover until I can convince those users to switch to linux ;) Action: drochaid wonders what's wrong with OOo .... what is xpde www.xpde.com the "until i can convince them to swtich to linux" is what threw me you mean you want them linux w/ xpde and cross over until you can convince them to use something other than office? no, you read it right the first time :) or until you can convince them to use kde until I can convince them that linux is perfectly fine for their day to day use i guess im lost of course, once they've been using it, that shouldn't be difficult Action: jcater is being sneaky isnt xpde linux? ok so you will have them run XP (really xpde) with crossover and then in a year say 'suprise' you have been using linux basically I hate my remaining win98 machines is xpde available for debian? Action: revDeke goes to look every friggin morning they are locked up I don't think so :( I just looked a second ago unless I can find a 3rd party repository mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" no xpde in debian that i could find Action: revDeke was really wanting to give it a try sigh being a debian snob can be unforgiving at times :) yeah :( time to hunt for a rogue sources.list I just don't do source anymore unless it's VERY simple like a single script or something um jcater can you do me favor and pop in #xpde on here and ask if they have debs anywhere rofl funny gack they are using kylix to write this that's bizarre funny? Action: jcater was the only person in #xpde :) that is funny maybe its just xpde w/o the # no, #xpde is registered just no one home mmmm lovely FAQ *  Kylix is pascal, most linux developers are C++ developers, you are stupid!! Kylix 3 has a C++ version, you are stupid! ;-) err *  Kylix is pascal, most linux developers are C++ developers, you are stupid!! Kylix 3 has a C++ version, you are stupid! ;-) grrr xchat has a BAD bug * boo wtf!?!? most linux developers are C++ developers? hmm thats odd linux (the program) is almost all in C or Assembly even if you went next level up kde/gnome are fairly split in terms of development and gnome development is C kind of like saying most americans are women well even like saying most us-americans are canadians ore like that ;-) :) talking about linux and meaning kde is like talking about the us and meaning america (the continent) hi chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi chilly hi Mr_You hey gnuers Isomer (dahoose@port-210-54-58-249.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Isomer hi chillywilly hiya cw! sup! woke up to a power cut yeek that's like black death for a computer geek ;) yeah well our networks appears happy again good :) happy networks are good crying networks are not so good jcater: you're goofy I try quiet week for you? for gnue? gnue night all reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Don't believe in miracles -- rely on them" aa_ (~anthony@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. Which should i use, the element width or form's width attribute? I'm trying to use form's width attribute and gfcvs says that it doesn't recognise it.. But the dtd says width element is deprecated. Should i use that anyway? are you using cvs? I'm using the 2003-01-04 cvs ok in cvs, the gfd format is changing somewhat I guess the DTD needs to be regenerated should it be fixed in today's? Bobacus (~rob@pc3-cmbg2-5-cust245.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/forms/Developers-Guide.pdf contains the latest markup ok i generated the dtd with gdtdcvs does that affect in anything? no, that generates the correct dtd however, we have moved the layout management to use a separate namespace this is so we can migrate to supporting multiple layout mechanisms w/in the same form i.e., absolute positioning, grid layout, gridbag, etc I think the "creating your first form" chapter in that pdf shows this but because the layout stuff (x,y,width, height) is now in a separate namespace a separate dtd would be needed if that makes sense ah ok, i'll read the pdf to understand better thx aa_: are you in contact with papo (vialibre) team? yes, definitely ok well, i'm in their office :) jcater: you see gnue dominate in cordoba already :) lol ra3vat: not really cordoba makes me think of qdoba via libre is only building in cordoba that has an internet connection ;) mmmmm....qdoba Action: chillywilly drools :) Action: chillywilly should go get a sub from quiznos Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all aa_: boo :þ matkor (~matkor@charm.ant.gliwice.pl) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" I typed in the example from the Developer's Guide and it goes in nicely But it doesn't get passed the login window It exits with ' Entry references non-existent field 'zipcode' I set up the db as is suggested. The field really honestly does exist aa_: start with more simple example that does not require db ok I tried to remove all entries from the same example. It exited with 'There are no navigable widgets in this form. Unable to display. heh can you check connections.conf file for proper settings yup. yes, I checked them for him and they look ok so does the form, and with --debug-level it says it's reading the right connections.conf Action: Chipaca goes back to minding his own business i did not run zip code example for ages Not the online version, it's changed somewhat in the one jamest passed me -- that is not the html one you can check gnue designer and try to use wizard to create simple form that works with db ra3vat: What kind of example do you suggest? dsmith (~dsmith@training.interchange.redhat.com) left irc: "later.." if you passed those db-less example than make your own if desingner is not broken you can easily build a simple form with wizard aa_: and wizard will allow you explore your conncetions.conf file (choose datasource or db) and db tables when choosing particular columns Bobacus (~rob@pc3-cmbg2-5-cust245.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. hm. The designer seems to work fine, except that it doesnt :[ I was able to connect to tutorial, add an entry, label and box i edited the entry's properties to use the zipcode field (ah, i added a block bofore) the first time i run it, nothing happend. -- that is no output to console the second, the designer closed itself without a word. are you starting it with --debug-level= option? i'm running it from inside the designer. It asks if i want a debug-level, and i used 0 and 5, each time i could try saving the form and running it from outside it is good you could pich datasource, table and columns now save the form and try to run it with form client forms aa_: for clarification what version of forms are you using? 0.4.3, 0.5.0, CVS the Jan04 cvs and if CVS from papo or gnue gnue fwiw: if you deleted all the entries In the designer i save and then exit, and it says they're unsaved documents i woudl expect a 'no navigatiable widgets' error yup, that did happen. Action: revDeke shuts up as i dont see what it is we are trying to solve StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. revDeke: i typed in the example in the Developer's guide. Everything parsed ok, loaded up and showed me the log-in screen. But it doesn't get passed that because it exits with a 'Tried to reference unexistent 'zipcode' field' error. The field exists, the db and connections.conf file seem to be ok hi aa_ nice tail hi StyX, thx (i think) again, what is the end game have you confirmed that forms works at all if not please run samples/intro/intro.gfd first ok, hang on to confirm that it functions properly if it does then lets get a database form working gah fwiw: generally its a good idea to use a stable version to make sure gnue runs on your system before moving to cvs samples/intro is an empty dir fsck they moved them er didnt move them gnue/forms/samples/intro/intro.gfd at one time recently there was talk of mvoing things to a samples dir guess thats still under debate :) ok! intro.gfd works fine i'll take a look at how that works and move on from there hm, pity intro.gfd doesn't use datasources. aa_: just did simple form with designer and saved it w/o ant problem .5 designer doesnt seem to respect the width of entry boxes, though they render ok using the forms client StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.7 -- Are we there yet?" revDeke: I think everything under samples/ was gonna use the same schema Vee2d2: what is the db and what type of the fields? that was one of goals at least aa_: there is a HUGE jump from non datasource to datasource forms and fortunately or unfortunately a lot can go wrong with datasource forms that have NOTHING to do with gnue i.e. database or database driver misconfiguration so we like to use a dataless form to get a 'quick' view of whether forms itself is working ra3vat: I didnt try with a datasource, just added an enbound entry and relized no matter what I set in the layout tab it stayed the same size. s/enbound/unbound/ jcater: makes sense to me chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2: i had a problem w/ postgres/text type columns Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?" matkor (~matkor@charm.ant.gliwice.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection aa_ (~anthony@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "bye!" jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: drochaid_!~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-3-cust16.renf.cable.ntl.com)) Nick change: drochaid_ -> drochaid rdean (~rdean@12-221-228-94.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: chillywilly -> cw-minion Nick change: cw-minion -> chillywilly lo chillywilly lo ciamar a tha thu an-diugh? Action: chillywilly is trying to make a website ;) trying? :) yes trying don't try ... SUCEED!! ie, don't follow my example well I finally finished my so-called logo ans now I am attempting to make a little place holder site with contact info for now at least drochaid: hey dewd yo dtm yoyoyoyoy what it be?!? allo dtm, long time dood chillywilly: url? :) ummm, it's on my hd right now I haven't scp'd it to my server you mean you don't allow public access to your HD? :o nope ;) why not? cause oh deary jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" hey I have a jabber server and tetrinet server that ANYONE can use, isn't this enough? jabber server is at libertyetech.com and tetrinet server is at gandalf.libertyetech.com ok, here's my fugly html: http://libertyetech.com/libertyetech.html but it has NO content ;) Action: chillywilly is away: Hitting the crack pipe. Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:00:24) jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. wb jcater couldn't stay away? yeah a night w/o talking with chilly is a nght that shouldn't happen you loooooooove us aaaaaawwww :') #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jcater' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. aw sheeeit why don't I get ops?!? I want ops it's not fair I'm telling... hey guys! i'm gonna fork gnue! cool!!!! heheh just kidding. that sound great!!!!?!?!?!?!!!!! nah it's ok. you guys carry on doing all the work for me. heheh scary xchat is the only app that stays on every virtual desktop heheh ;) Topic changed on #gnuenterprise by jcater!~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com: Welcome to GNU Enterprise... please don't feed the animals #gnuenterprise: mode change '-o jcater' by jcater!~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com quack! [21:09] Last message repeated 1 time(s). feed me! jbailey (~jbailey@65.48.140.35) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: drochaid hands chillywilly a glass of Talisker wassat? this particular one is a 10 year mature single malt from the Isle of Skye I don't drink alcohol it's poison ah, that would be a problem it's not poison yea it is nooo it's not why does it make you pee so much? excessive use is, alcohol itself isn't why do you feel like crap the next day after a binge? why do you vomit sometimes if you drink too much? it actually stops you peeing unless you take vast quantities, diuretics do that :P and you vomit if you eat/drink too much of anything :P no ya don't oh really? the human digestive tract would claim otherwise you can drink the same amount of OJ as alcohol that would make someone sick and you'd be fine no actually I can't and a sizeable quantity of orange would give you dihorea alcohol stops you from peeing? I can take a max of about 250ml a day or I get a severe migrain thats completely opposite of my experience. it doesn't cause your body wants it out of there so that must mean orange is a poison :P for every beer I have to go to the jon 3 times. Mr_You: then re-read what I actually typed I'm guessing thats a no then.. I couldn't follow the discussion as you see. can you die form drinking too much OJ? I dun think so yes you can you can't get OJ poisoning you can you can die from drinking too much water fine water then but drinking alter does alter the state of mymind either dinrk too much water and the 0.27% salt solution in your blood weakens, your cells become flacid and you loose the ability to transport oxygen around your body so yes, too much water can kill you wow this news station has killer satelite photos that zoom in great yea, but you have to drink a LOT in regards to the plane that crashed in charlotte just as you have to drink EXCESSIVELY of alcohol draw parallels its easier to get alcohol poisoning than too much water tho a lot easier only because people are more likely to consume vast quantities of alcohol over water that's a human trait, nothing to do with the fluid itself water doesn't make me drunk I dunno.. I've drank a lot of water in a 4 hour period. chillywilly: no, it has a different effect that can be even more dangerous more likely I would have had alcohol poisoning from the same amount.. right that's what I have been saying all along 3l a day is enough to cause you to become light headed and lose the ability to co-ordinate but then same amount of what? ;-) cause alcohol content can vary. no you haven't chillywilly, you gave an exremist "alcohol is poison" which is bullshit most alcohol is at what 4.5% in beer unless it is a non-alcoholis brew drinking a lot of water has never made anyone do the stupid things that alcohol makes one do yes it has HAH indeed anything can when do irresponsibly. but water doesn't really have the effects of a drug yes, it can this is a pointless conversation we're talking realistic quantities here ;-) there is curently a great deal of concern over the young executive going to the gym in the morning, drinking bottled water all day and going to the gym at night yeah... lets just agree to agree at varying degrees ;-) Action: Mr_You bust a rhyme. sheeeit studies have been showing they are DANGEROUS driving under those conditions news to me studies cna be made to show anything last I heard they said you didn't need as much water as the 16 cups (or so??) a day they use to recommend. and yes chillywilly, it became pointless when you uttered an extremist and insulting remark right at the start drochaid: do you have a complex or something? yes I can't stand biggots drochaid: taking this as a personal attack? do you feel guilty? I didn't judge you it's your insecurities that let that come through you have by implication unless your name happends to be alcohol which afaik it isn;t I have no insecurities regarding alcohol, I drink very little occasionally and I am sick of arseholes claiming stupid things like "alcohol is poison" but you just now insulted me eh I thought only Lutherans claimed it was poison it's *my personal choice has nothing to do with relgigion religion it's your choice not to drink it, I have no problem with that you can choose something to be poison? it is NOT your choice to decide what is and what is not a poison "Coca-cola... I hereby choose you to be a poison today" no, to not drink to abstain from alcohol altogether if I eat tomato, I chuck from both ends, become severely dehydrated and can't process food for 3 or 4 days .. and it is my opinion that is a form of poison so it MUST be a poison Action: jcater makes a note... If I ever go out to dinner with drochaid, DON'T order him a tomato dish I take a small glass of whisky and have zero side effects jcater: well, not unless I'm boring you true dat drinking in moderation is fine...I choose not to do it at all drochaid: if we ever meet for dinner, I advise you to not discuss OO databases :) alcohol is a drug not poison which is NOT what you said but IS what I said that you continued to argue with chillywilly all drungs are poisons to a degree drugs jcater: but mySQL is the only true DB well, to a degree, so are all fatty food Action: drochaid hides s lol drochaid: I see it as poison, something I don't want in me drugs != poison yea, too mch fatty food is poisonous too, but I do my best ;) its unhealthy not poison get over it already your logic is flawed ;-) Mr_You: it's been shown small quantities of certain types of alcohol regularly can increase your life by around 2 to 3 years drochaid: or at least your perception of life ;) it helps to thin the blood which protects against heart attacks and strokes jcater: I did say *small* quantities ;P ie, not enough to get drunk on Action: chillywilly was just extending a metaphor...guess this is a concept that ppl can't get the problems come when you take too much at one time and your body can't process it drochaid: yeah I heard.. chillywilly: you ever eat chocolate? and to "assume" in this type of communication media that someone is attacking without being able to hear how they are saying it (body language, tone of voice, etc.) is retarded some drugs are good ;-) drug addiction is bad drug abuse is bad chillywilly: give it up chillywilly: just chalk this one up to a learning experience if you insist on using your personal definitions, rather than what is commonly accepted, in general conversation and then bitch when people disagree, THAT is retarded well it was personal opinion so maybe ppl should watch who they call biggots, I know ppl who drink occasionally just like drochaid and I don;t jdge them no, it was biggoted you showed unreasonable discrimination people agree with things that confirms their fears. (just a general statement) now answer the question chillywilly, do you ever eat chocolate? drochaid: it was all in the way you took it yes, most ppl do excellent it's canceragenic chocolate is poison! ;) this is a better Wednesday night than most ;) I think chocolate does have some mineral that is poisonous.. IIRC carcinogenic oh what is it that as well canceragenic isn't a word ahh I forget.. it is if I use it as one that's how languages are defined oh plz you were looking for carcinogenic and typed in wrong ;) true dat... another example: troutophiliac :) me! :) I've already admited that but it doesn't change what I said a mispelled word is still a word :-P lets stop the bickering ;-) Mr_You: NO :P word shmerd if I stop bickering I'm going to bed never we have the RIGHT to bicker thats gonna drive me nuts now.. what mineral is in chocolate that is poisonous. you want to atgue about it Mr_You? :) I think you would have to eat A LOT of it tho.. nutmeg can get you highg Mr_You: oh undoubtably not unless you can provide me sources to backup my claim ;-) scottish cancer research one of the worlds leading cancer research organisations there are carcinogens in a lot of food you can get cancer from looking at something ;) peronsally, I think someone just wanted an excuse to eat chocolate at work, so they created a study to check out the theory then dies of stomach cancer ;) heheh i don't think this was cancer.. for some reason I want to say it has small amounts of mercury but that doesn't sound right mercury in chocolate? err can you use chocolate as a thermometer? can you shutup? ;P you already know the answer to that yep NO just checking furry muff frell off pog mo thoin that is so lame the mp3 encoder? I'm so cool cause I can speak a different language and no one will know what I say except me tha that's s junior high s/s/so/ it must be the iron.. but thats not a big problem. and frell is what earth language precisely? it's from farscape I would expct given current company ppl would know that Action: chillywilly can only inmagine what a "furry muff" is er, imagine furry muff is in ENGLISH and is fair enough :P ok then "fuck off" how's that?> better? pog mo thoin I am retarded? heh I lick goat nuts? gtetrinet (0.5.1-2) unstable; urgency=low * The "What a horde of addicts" release. * src/dialog.c: patch from Ian Zink, fix segfault caused by a null pointer exception (closes: none, because everyone just whines on IRC :). -- Jordi Mallach Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:26:08 +0100 you said it, not me that's my translation of your junior high antivs antics you bitch very well I'm guessing you practice a LOT bitch moan bitch moan bitch moan jcater: still amusing you or should I go to bed now? Action: Mr_You moans some more. bitch bitch bitch moan moan moan Action: Vee2d2 goes back to feed the wee one drochaid: take your sorry poison swilling ass to bed ;) vee2d2: not using the breast pump? lol hehe (for yourself that is), little joke there. right ;) Action: Mr_You assumes vee2d2 is male. Action: chillywilly smacks drochaid around some nah he's r2d2's cousin therefore he's a droid ;) not a sales droid I hope dunno mar sin leat an drasda fe fi foo fum Action: drochaid is away: oidche mhath I smell the blood of a wee scottishman hehhe that's good. the opinons of chillywilly are do not necessarily reflect the opiniona of the GNUe project, in fact they may not coincide at all for all we know s/are// they don't ;) sigh see I warned everyone to not feed the animals that included alcohol jcater: so now you can speak for the whole project? feed me! [22:18] Last message repeated 1 time(s). no but I am reasonably sure you don't either :) reasonably? you have reason? where? I'd like to meet him some day fish: bastid.. there any computer jobs there? oops derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey masta how's it shakin'? Action: chillywilly smacks dtm around some #)@(& look in da /msg plz mr. dan bethe Action: chillywilly drop kicks derek awake flooood! a;ldksjfhklsjdhfl;ksjd fs dkfjhs' ldkfhj] sdlkfh lsdkjf lskhjdf k shdf s ;ldkjfhl skdh f lsj d]flkhsj d;fkh s ;dl jf l'skdjlf ;kshdj ;flksj hd ;fl jks d;fl it works --- Thu Jan 9 2003