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<havoc> geez
<chillywilly> welcome to FreeNode
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<chillywilly> :)
<havoc> even my net is more stable
<havoc> ;)
<chillywilly> it's only a split
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> how many serves are on your net?
<chillywilly> 5?
<havoc> 2 real ones
<havoc> 2 or 3 "toys"
<havoc> yes, I know, easy to be stable w/ so few servers :)
<havoc> my server only goes down when SBC screws up royally, or if power is out for more than 4 hours
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<havoc> neither of which happens all that often
<chillywilly> SBC?
<chillywilly> why SBC?
<havoc> local telco
<havoc> when they screw up everyone is screwed
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<chillywilly> I thought you had TWTC
<havoc> I do
<chillywilly> they go through SBC?
<havoc> but everything still runs through the local telco
<chillywilly> ah
<havoc> *everything*
<chillywilly> woooooooo
<chillywilly> stupid compile errors...
<chillywilly> *grumble*
<havoc> C?
<chillywilly> it's about time to kick back and zone on TV
<chillywilly> C++
<havoc> ah
<havoc> C is the easiest to debug
<chillywilly> it keeps telling me this ostringstream is not defined
<havoc> "string streams"?
<chillywilly> but I do #include <sstream> so I dunno wtf its problem is
<chillywilly> yea
<havoc> logical step is to verify the lib path
<chillywilly> I have that included elsewhere and it's fine
<chillywilly> it might be a recursive #include things
<chillywilly> very subtle fuckup
<chillywilly> but I'm too tired to care
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<chillywilly> blah
<chillywilly> ohw ell enough for now...will have to look upon it with fresher eyes tomorrow
<havoc> good idea
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<reinhard> good morning all
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<btami> good morning
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<psu> hmm, CVS commit to website seems slow
<psu> but then, I am a dial-up luser ;-)
<dtm> psu: d0h!
<psu> may as well be productive while I wait...
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<reinhard> lol
<reinhard> "productive"
<reinhard> :-)
<reinhard> psu: what are you producing under the shower
<reinhard> ?
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<psu> reinhard: foam, mainly ;-)
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<reinhard> :-)
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<reinhard_> man 
<reinhard_> this is just plain wrong
<reinhard_> X crashes for me at least once a day
<reinhard_> i don't know what i changed
<reinhard_> it worked perfectly for several months
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<Arturas> Hello
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<ariel> hi jcater
<ariel> is the trigger editor currently working in designer?
<jcater> ariel: yes
<jcater> at least it was
<jcater> err, it works in cvs head
<jcater> but the latest release it did not work well
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<ariel> jcater:  i cannot load any form that contains triggers 
<ariel> i get: "list index out of range" on line 169 of refillTriggerCombo
<ariel> running gfdes
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<jcater> ariel: can you open intro.gfd in gfdes?
<jcater> oh, he's gone
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<Arturas> bye
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<psu> gah, KC GNUe #63 is not parsing properly
<psu> I'll need to have a closer look & see why it's not working
<psu> FWIW, the list of who has been quoted is now working again
<psu> 593 items Derek Neighbors 
<psu> 489 items Jason Cater 
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<psu> 264 items James Thompson 
<Chipaca> hi all
<psu> 182 items Reinhard Müller 
<psu> hi Chipaca
<Chipaca> hi psu
<psu> 166 items Daniel Baumann 
<psu> 148 items Jan Ischebeck 
<Chipaca> what's the count?
<psu> 135 items Peter Sullivan 
<psu> 122 items Andrew Mitchell 
<psu> No of times quoted in KC, as per
<jcater> Chipaca: who has the biggest mouths
<jcater> derek and I are at the top
<jcater> as we can't shut up
<psu> http://www.kerneltraffic.org/GNUe/quotes.html
<Chipaca> ah
<psu> Chipaca is 14th - 45 items
<Chipaca> how can I override conditionElements in _dbsig with minimum effort?
<Chipaca> psu: cool
<jcater> gah
<psu> There's a few spelling mistakes that bodge up the count
<jcater> well the easiest way
<psu> e.g. 
<jcater> is don't do it
<Chipaca> jcater: agreed; I just change it in _dbsig, but then silly databases like (!postgres) break
<psu> Jan Ichebeck, Jans Ischebeck, Jan Ischecbeck, Jan Ischeneck, Jan Isecheback, Jan Isechebeck 
<psu> all been quoted once 
<psu> ;-)
<jcater> a Jan by any other name tis just as sweet
<jcater> Chipaca: what are you trying to do
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<Chipaca> jcater: get like to use ILIKE in postgres
<jcater> ILIKE?
<Chipaca> LIKE is case-sensitive, ILIKE isn't
<psu> To put these numbers into context, the main Kernel Traffic summaries, which are up to 200 issues now
<jcater> is that Postgres-specific?
<Chipaca> jcater: yes
<psu> is topped by Alan Cox (419) and Linus (166) - no others over 100 ;-)
<Chipaca> jcater: other databases like mysql have LIKE case-insensitive...
<jcater> we don't refer to mysql as a database in this channel
<jcater> you should know that
<Vee2d2> heh
<jcater> :)
<Chipaca> jcater: heh
<Chipaca> jcater: all I have to change is conditionElements['like'][2]
<Chipaca> jcater: I guess it's more a python than a gnue question, but if I ask in python I mostly get 'gnue sucks'
<jcater> lol
<Chipaca> as ra3vat can witness :)
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<jcater> Chipaca: I'm not sure of a clean way to change that
<Chipaca> :(
<jcater> but I would beware targetting one database
<jcater> kind of defeats the purpose of GNUe
<Chipaca> yes I know
<Chipaca> but the users really really want searches to be case-insensible
<Chipaca> :)
<Vee2d2> use that nondb (mysql)? =)
<Chipaca> Vee2d2: if we did, we wouldn't have this problem. It (IMHO) is a tweak to the dbrivers, as in those that offer that functionality can do it, those who don't, don't
<StyXman> yeah, equalize upwards, not downwards. (bad translation of a phrase used here)
<Chipaca> jcater: funny thing is in the appserver dbdriver (in this here gnue thing, which is ancient), it has its own conditionElements, but if I just do that it doesn't work
<StyXman> like you do in forms
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<Chipaca> hey! that works!
<StyXman> nice hack, tho
<Chipaca> nope, not at all :-P
<Chipaca> does 'NOT ILIKE' make sense?
<Chipaca> yeah, no?
<psu> If I have an XML file & it's DTD, will emacs check it is valid (as opposed to just well-formed)?
<psu> If not, what's the quickest/easiest way to check this on a std Debian system with very little HDD space left? ;-)
<Chipaca> psu: yes, it will, if you give it a dtd
<psu> cool
<Chipaca> psu: it only goes and uses the same stuff you could use from the commandline, but you have M-` which helps
<psu> thanks
<ra3vat> Chipaca: i missed that discussion and was in joyness thinking gnue is great :)
<Chipaca> 5$
<Chipaca> ra3vat: oh
<aa_> hey all
<ra3vat> hi aa_
<aa_> hi
<aa_> remember the whole/name thing i mentioned on friday?
<aa_> in forms/src/GFParser.py there's the block attribute of the scrollbar element.  It's typecast is Typecast.whole.  Methinks it should be Typecast.name... I was hoping somebody could check it out
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<Chipaca> aa_ is working on current, honest-to-goodnest, dairy-fresh, pure GNUe
<aa_> jcater: you were away at the time :)
<Chipaca> s/t,/,/
<Chipaca> aa_: you mean ra3vat ?
<jcater> aa_: that is weird
<aa_> chipaca: curren, ?
<StyXman> Chipaca: nana, no that fresh. it has more taht a week
<aa_> if it is Typecast.whole, what values should i give it?
<StyXman> aa_: you lack of do-what-I-mean, feature, right?
<Chipaca> oh, ok, so aa_'s gnue is beginning to stink, but we think that it'll still make good lembas
<ra3vat> aa_: is there any example in cvs that uses scrollbar?
<aa_> i'm looking.  So far, samples/tutorials/forms/simple is all in 0.4 format still, so that won't do :(
<StyXman> well, I don't recall if the scrollbar part of our patch went through.
<StyXman> aa_: grep -rin is your friend
<aa_> samples/tutorials/forms/zipcode/zipcode.gfd has a scrollbar, but it is also in 0.4 form
<chillywilly> convert it
<chillywilly> with the script
<aa_> idea
<jcater> aa_: fixed
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<StyXman> jcater: so what's the meaning o' that attr?
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<StyXman> how was it to make menubar and toolbar dissappear?
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<aa_> ok, i just tried zipcode with the block attribute set as name, and it loaded and ran fine.  Just that the scrollbar didn't scroll at all :(
<aa_> Does that mean that it should have been a whole?
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<ra3vat> StyXman: #form.setFeature('GUI:MENUBAR:SUPPRESS', 0)
<ra3vat> #form.setFeature('GUI:TOOLBAR:SUPPRESS', 0)
<StyXman> ra3vat: and those go... wher?
<StyXman> ah, it's code, not xml. ok, on startup, then
<ra3vat>   <trigger type="On-Startup">
<StyXman> no xml way?
<ra3vat> i do not know
<StyXman> does it flicker?
<ra3vat> StyXman: you see it is commented :)
<StyXman> ugh. does it *work*?
<ra3vat> it works
<StyXman> I see scrollbars didn't get through
<StyXman> ... yet
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<StyXman> wb chillywilly 
<chillywilly> thanks
<StyXman> y'welcome
<StyXman> jamest: y'alive?
<aa_> ra3vat I just tried the #form.setFeature('GUI:TOOLBAR:SUPP... , and it doesn't change anything ...
<aa_> that is, toolbar is still there (smiling happily)
<StyXman> hint: he uncommented the line...
<StyXman> i.e., the # is *not* there
<ra3vat> aa_: i think some bugs still exist in the code :)
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<chillywilly> peter
<psu> hiya
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<psu> Fixed a few things that might have been wrong
<psu> It's definantly well-formed, probably valid (can't find the official DTD)
<chillywilly> bummer
<psu> I suspect that it might be a <b><b></b></b> that;s the problem
<psu> as the DTD probably doesn't allow <b> to be a child of itself
<psu> Sent a revised copy to Zack, anyway. See if it works...
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<ra3vat> could anyone help me to convert one OO doc as my OO chashes opening it?
<ra3vat> the link to download it on the page http://framework.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList
<chillywilly> your OO chases opening it?
<chillywilly> what does that mean?
<chillywilly> caches?
<jcater> crashes, silly
<ra3vat> under the name "The Office headless mode"
<ra3vat> jcater: yes, thanks
<chillywilly> jcater: bite me
<jcater> ra3vat: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/ProjectDocumentList.rtf
<ra3vat> jcater: thanks again :)
<jcater> interesting
<jcater> oh, wow...
<jcater> I've been looking for lists like that
<jcater> this is a big one for me
<jcater> openoffice -invisible -pt <printer>  filename.rtf
<ra3vat> does it work?
<jcater> dunno
<jcater> haven't tried yet
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<ra3vat> not too much reading, may be other links would be helpfull
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<jcater> ToyMan: how goes your ecommerce thing for zope?
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<chillywilly> ajmitch_!
<ajmitch_> hi
<ajmitch_> i is backs!
<ajmitch_> well, sorta
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<chillywilly> where are you?
<ajmitch_> parents place
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> how's it going?
<ajmitch_> going well
<chillywilly> good good
<ajmitch_> been busy here?
<chillywilly> hmmm, sorta but not too much lately
<ajmitch_> right
<ajmitch_> 0.5.0 released & in use?
<chillywilly> 0.5.0 is gonna be released soon
<chillywilly> not yet
<ajmitch_> ah
<chillywilly> jcater has pre-releases though
<ajmitch_> he had prereleases 3 weeks ago :)
<chillywilly> right ;)
<chillywilly> well we had 0.4.3 in between there ;)
<chillywilly> yeek, pre-released were announced Dec 17th
<chillywilly> releases*
<chillywilly> getting close to a month now
<jcater> anyone wanna place wagers on how many ppl tested those prereleases?
<ajmitch_> probably < 5 people
<jcater> esp. considering I found a major bug preventing them from working at all the way they were packaged?
<ajmitch_> btw hi jcater
<chillywilly> jcater: erm, I run cvs
<jcater> I'd say, 5 (+/- 5)   :)
<jcater> howdy ajmitch_
<chillywilly> well if I had an app to test it with then I would do so, but since I don't I am lazy ;)
<chillywilly> this is all my fault though as I do have something I should convert...but alas I am lazy...did I mention I am lazy cause if not then lemme reiterate, "I am lazy"
<jcater> chillywilly: you lazy?
<jcater> 'cause I'd never guess it
<chillywilly> I can go toe to toe with derek in the laziest gnuer alive contest
<chillywilly> :P
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<chillywilly> woo, threads!
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<derek> wtf
<derek> laziest ever
<derek> its called management fool
<chillywilly> plz
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<dtm> so when gnue people are writing a php display layer, i wonder if they would use some premade forms validation class like http://phpclasses.optip.com/browse.html/package/1.html
<dtm> or if there's a reason why they might need to write it from scratch
<dtm> coz if they could use that stuff, there's a ton of such things
<dtm> lots of sites with premade scripts of all kinds
<chillywilly> we have phpforms
<chillywilly> in cvs
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