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<ra3vat> hi jcater
<jcater> hi
<ra3vat> could you give me a couple examples of using common for db and xml processing, if possible?
<jcater> ra3vat: maybe tomorrow
<jcater> I'm on my way to bed
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<Remosi> hmm
<Remosi> the GNUe KC is borked
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<Isomer> psu: some of the text under heading 1 has leaked into heading 2 confusing 2 completely.
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<chillywilly> he knows
<chillywilly> he was trying to fix it earlier
<chillywilly> but editing xml by hand can be fun
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<chillywilly> hey psu
<chillywilly> someone was complaining about a b0rked KC
<psu> yep 
<psu> not sure what he means 
<psu> "works for me2
<psu> http://www.kerneltraffic.org/GNUe/gnue20030111_63.html
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<btami> good morning
Action: psu notes that the html source for KC doesn't use <h?> but <font size="+/-"> - maybe that's the issue
<chillywilly> font tag is evil and deprecated is it not?
<psu> I doubt it's depreciated, but I personally wouldn't use it 
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<psu> jcater made me do it, he whimpers...
<chillywilly> it is deprecated
<chillywilly> you're supposed to use style sheets
<chillywilly> or the style attribute
<chillywilly> this is according to the standard
<chillywilly> but of course most browsers will render it just fine
<psu> except lynx ;-)
<chillywilly> or links ;)
<psu> or emacs-w3
<chillywilly> anyone ever try phoenix browser?
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<lupo> hu
<reinhard> hi lupo
<lupo> reinhard!
<lupo> What's going on these days?
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<lupo> hi ariel
<reinhard> hi ariel
<reinhard> lupo: we make some nice progress with appserver
<lupo> good to hear
<lupo> how far is the db->object mapper?
<lupo> (pitily, i have only 10 megs of space at my university)
<lupo> so i can't check out cvs :(
<reinhard> how does this look:
<reinhard> Python 2.1.3 (#1, Sep  7 2002, 15:29:56) 
<reinhard> [GCC 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)] on linux2
<reinhard> Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
<reinhard> >>> from gnue.appserver.language import Session
<reinhard> >>> sess = Session.newSession ("hacker", "secret")
<reinhard> User 'hacker' logged in.
<reinhard> >>> list = sess.getObjectList ("person", [], ["name"], ["name, street"])
<reinhard> >>> friend = list[0] 
<reinhard> >>> friend.name
<reinhard> 'Johannes'
<reinhard> >>> friend.street
<reinhard> 'Wiesenstrasse'
<reinhard> >>> friend.foo
<reinhard> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<reinhard> DB000:   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
<reinhard> DB000:   File "language/Object.py", line 60, in __getattr__
<reinhard> DB000:     raise AttributeError, attr
<reinhard> DB000: AttributeError: foo
<reinhard> >>> 
<lupo> looks like an error in line 60.
<lupo> :-)
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> that was on purpose
<lupo> foo has not been selected, clearly
<reinhard> foo doesn't exist
<reinhard> that's the point
<lupo> so, newSession already works over RPC?
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> not yet
<reinhard> i need siesel's help for RPC
<reinhard> but he is very busy lately
<reinhard> but it should be no big difference to switch to RPC
<lupo> but foo could exist, but was not selected in getObjectList, right?
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> the preselected properties are just faster
<reinhard> like you do
<lupo> hm
<reinhard> >>> from gnue.appserver.language import Session
<reinhard> >>> sess = Session.newSession ("hacker", "secret")
<reinhard> User 'hacker' logged in.
<reinhard> >>> list = sess.getObjectList ("person", [], ["name"], ["name"])
<reinhard> >>> friend = list [0]
<reinhard> >>> friend.name
<reinhard> 'Johannes'
<reinhard> >>> friend.street
<reinhard> 'Wiesenstrasse'
<reinhard> --
<reinhard> the only difference is
<reinhard> that at the "getObjectList" appserver issues a "select name from person"
<reinhard> and when you do "friend.street" appserver issues a "select street from person where _id_ = ..."
<lupo> ah
<lupo> so it's a preselection, not a select statement which is limited to its return rows
<lupo> that's clever
<lupo> that is one thing i hated most with php/mysql
<ariel> hi reinhard lupo
Action: btami is back (gone 03:23:56)
<lupo>  your sample data are already from a database?!
<reinhard> yes
<lupo> cool
<reinhard> however
<lupo> you guys make my day :)
<reinhard> it's very preliminary code
<lupo> "preliminary code or not / it runs and it is very hot" (shakespeare)
<reinhard> lol
<reinhard> in any case
<reinhard> johannes_ has to take the honour for this code :-)
<lupo> fine
<lupo> btw, do you know someone who knows bayonne in germany or austria?
<reinhard> no
<lupo> hm
<reinhard> got thomas' mail, too
<lupo> yes
<lupo> are you on germany@fsfeurope.org?
<lupo> or fsfe-de
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> fsfe-de
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> :)
<lupo> well then
<lupo> given the big numbers of call centers in virtually every big city, bayonne is a piece of software where you can make a lot of money from services
<lupo> another thing
<lupo> have you followed the discussion of project papo and integration of changes?
<reinhard> not _sooo_ close
<lupo> the KCs?
<lupo> imho, it boils down to the problem that papo initially forked and both trees never merged back into one because migration work is too much
<lupo> i think that could have been avoided with a better revision control system
<lupo> cvs simply sucks
<lupo> there are three working alternatives: prcs (prcs.xdelta.org), aegis (aegis.sourceforge.net) and subversion (subversion.tigris.org)
<btami> i think, the problem is not the cvs itself, but
<btami> using a 0.x version in production
<btami> if you are not a core people
<lupo> that is the other point, yes
<btami> btw. i need some help
<btami> can anybody knows what to do when apt-get fails
<btami> Reading Packege List... Error!
<btami> ?
<btami> is there a way to rebuild package lists?
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> i had that once
<reinhard> then i re-did base-install
<reinhard> when it asks you the apt sources
<reinhard> then it builds the package lists all new
<btami> reinhard: thanks!
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<Arturas> Helo
<btami> hello
<reinhard> hello, Ar
<reinhard> oops
<reinhard> hello, Arturas
<Arturas> :) Hello Reinhard, Bajusz
<ariel> can someone help me with forms?
<Arturas> we can try :)
<ariel> i cannot load into gfdes forms that have triggers
<ariel> i get an error in refillTriggerCombo()
<ariel> i cannot even run the interactive debugger because the error is before, in the init phase
<ariel> the same forms run smootly in gfcvs
Action: Arturas doesn't know this for sure, but it may be that designer still does not fully support triggers
<ariel> Jason told me yesterday that it does
<btami> have you tried to load the intro.gfd?
<ariel> can someone make a try?
<btami> it works for me
<ariel> i created a form in gfdes
<btami> it shows piglatin trigger
<ariel> then added ON_STARTUP (deleting the 'return' that is not recognized)
<ariel> saved the form
<ariel> runned gfcvs ... OK
<ariel> when i try to reload it in gfdes ... crash!
<lupo> gotta
<lupo> go
<lupo> (food!)
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<ariel> btami: i tried intro.gfd
<ariel> runs well in forms
<ariel> but i cannot load it in designer
<btami> latest cvs?
<ariel> i did checkout today (2-3 hours ago)
<ariel> i also completely deleted the 0.3 system installation i had
<btami> hmm, it works for me (intro.gfd in designer)
<ariel> i need to ask Jason but currently i have phone line probs at home, so i cannot connect at evening(europe) 
<Vee2d2> works here too. 
<ariel> may be i have not updated wx ?
<Vee2d2> tried verifying you're using the gfdes you think you are? like ls -l `which gfdes`
<Vee2d2> gfdes's help shows me running 0.4.99 with wxpython 2.2.7 and python 2.2.2 fwiw
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<ariel> the only one i have is in myhome/bin builded today at 10 am more o less
<ariel> gfdes: 0.4.99
<ariel> Python: 2.2 (red hat)
<ariel> wxPython: 2.3.2.1
<ariel> GCC: 2.96
<Vee2d2> maybe you're onto something with the wxpython version, I had 2.3.x installed here too and it was getting used and causing me some problems (strange errors I dont recall exactly, something about missing c++ classes or something another)..
<Vee2d2> I would have expected problems with gfcvs too, though.. *shrug*
<ariel> Vee2d2: thank you very much :)
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<chillywilly> er, funny
<StyXman> hi\
<chillywilly> HI!
<StyXman> :)
<StyXman> how do you do?
<chillywilly> I'm kinda tired
<chillywilly> and I have a deadlock in my threads code that makes no friggin' sense :(
<StyXman> of? physically? mentally?
<chillywilly> physically
<chillywilly> I guess
<StyXman> ugh, those are ugly.
<StyXman> can you run a block?
<chillywilly> cant debug it either cause gdb wants to use old crusty templates that don't exist or have been moved
<chillywilly> hmmm?
<StyXman> oh, nevermind
<chillywilly> it only happens after running a long simulation
<StyXman> c++?
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> gdb wants to pull templates frm /usr/include/g++-v3/ but everything is now in /usr/include/c++/3.2/
<chillywilly> it segfault and complains that the template it is trying to use does not exist
<chillywilly> only thing I can do is attach gdb to the running program
<chillywilly> oh well
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> maybe it has to do with the versions of libstdc++ on my system
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<StyXman> boing
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<chillywilly> bing
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<StyXman> hey chip
<Chipaca> StyXman: 'sup?
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<aa_> hi all
<jbailey> chillywilly: Have you updated g++
<jbailey> chillywilly: If you're running unstable, build-essential changed to update everything to gcc 3.2 recently.
<aa_> has anybody know if the gfd04to05 script has trouble with forms with foreign_key attributes?
<aa_> i tried it with a couple of forms and it exits with a funny error message.
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<chillywilly> jbailey: I have been using the latest g++ for a lng time nwo cause it is more standards compliant
<chillywilly> jbailey: gdb wants to use the old template locations for some reason
<StyXman> chillywilly: did you check ldd output, again?
<chillywilly> jbailey: stuff for 3.x is in /usr/include/c++/3.x and running my program in gdb it wants to pull templates from /usr/include/g++-v3
<chillywilly> libstdc++.so.5 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 (0x402fa000)
<chillywilly> that
<chillywilly> 's the lastest libstdc++
<chillywilly> 	libstdc++.so.5 (CXXABI_1.2) => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
<chillywilly> 		libstdc++.so.5 (GLIBCPP_3.2) => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
<StyXman> is it possible to have a form w/ just buttons?
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<StyXman> it requires a block, so we give it one.
<StyXman> then it tries to... aa_?
<aa_> err, i'll reproduce it in a jiff, but it exitted trying to show the statusbar
<aa_> The error it exits with is
<aa_> DB000:     self.updateStatusBar(currentRecord=self._form._currentBlock._currentRecord+1,
<aa_> DB000: AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute '_currentRecord'
<aa_> that is if the entry is hidden (first idea, so it wouldn't bother
<aa_> If the entry isn't hidden it works, but we have a purpose-less entry
Action: chillywilly contemplates just making a frelling symlink
<aa_> Just remembered, in forms/samples/intro/intro.gfd there was an entry-less form, but it isn't technically entry-less.  There is a readonly entry with a sign up saying 'Press 'Page Down' for a demo' ... Is that there just for the form to work correctly ?
<chillywilly> piss on it I am making a symlink
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<aa_> Remind not to use martina for a while...
<chillywilly> gdb is the devil!
<havoc> chillywilly: use a frontend to gdb
<havoc> chillywilly: http://freshmeat.net/projects/ddd/?topic_id=47
<Chipaca> is there any way to bind more than one trigger to a button?
<havoc> chillywilly: heheh -> http://freshmeat.net/projects/motor/?topic_id=46%2C259%2C48%2C47%2C52
<havoc> looks like old Borland Turbo C++ 3.0
<chillywilly> what the heck is a frontend gonna do for me?
<havoc> chillywilly: what is your problem with it?
<chillywilly> (gdb) run
<chillywilly> Starting program: /home/danielb/software/src/cvs/gsim/src/examples/mm1/.libs/mm1 
<chillywilly> [New Thread 16384 (LWP 5780)]
<chillywilly> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
<chillywilly> [Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 5780)]
<chillywilly> 0x400313b6 in bool std::has_facet<std::ctype<char> >(std::locale const&) (__loc=@0x804dc48)
<chillywilly>     at /usr/include/g++-v3/bits/locale_facets.tcc:87
<chillywilly> 87	/usr/include/g++-v3/bits/locale_facets.tcc: No such file or directory.
<chillywilly> 	in /usr/include/g++-v3/bits/locale_facets.tcc
<chillywilly> (gdb) 
<chillywilly> it's lame
<chillywilly> I made a symlink and it told me some crap about executable being older than sorce file...or something
<chillywilly> symlink to the proper headers for libstdc++
<havoc> heh
<havoc> "touch" the binary :)
<chillywilly> dude I recompiled it like fifteeen times
<chillywilly> that should "touch" it
<havoc> heh
<chillywilly> make clean
<chillywilly> make mm1
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<havoc> heh
<havoc> bubye
<chillywilly> it has to be using some old crusty libstdc++
<chillywilly> gdb that is
<chillywilly> er, or an old gcc
<havoc> which version do you have?
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<chillywilly> 3.2.2
<chillywilly> 20030109
<havoc> a bit new
<chillywilly> yep
<chillywilly> debian unstable
<havoc> so it's libstdc++5
<chillywilly> yep
<havoc> I have 3.2.1
<StyXman> do you even have that /usr/include/g+-v3? can't you remove it?
<chillywilly> it's not there
<chillywilly> that's the old g++ include dir
<havoc> chillywilly: and you upgraded gdb w/ gcc/libstdc++ ?
<chillywilly> apt-get update
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<chillywilly> it's all current sid
<havoc> weird
<StyXman> tried to install and compile against stdlib-dbg?
Action: StyXman suggest 'goto #debian'
<chillywilly> #debian is useless ;)
<StyXman> #c++?
<chillywilly> already there ;)
<chillywilly> I used to be able to use the damn debugger...
<chillywilly> maybe I just need a stable version of gdb ;)
<chillywilly> this is frelling annoying
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<chillywilly> hi dsmith ajmitch_
<ajmitch_> hi
<chillywilly> crap
<chillywilly> my memory sucks
<chillywilly> anyone know how I can hack me build system to link in a debug lib?
<chillywilly> like add a certain path to -L?
<chillywilly> what the frelling variable?
<dsmith> chillywilly: Hey, hows ya doing
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> whatever_LDFLAGS?
<chillywilly> hmmmm
<dsmith> chillywilly: as in makefile.am ?
<StyXman> chillywilly: was one of the -W, flags. see ld doc.
<chillywilly> yea
<StyXman> you gotta change the dir where std libs are searched.
Action: chillywilly tries whatever_LDADD = -L/usr/lib/debug
<chillywilly> StyXman: nah
<chillywilly> I think my hack will work
<StyXman> -Wl,-rpath IIRC
<StyXman> I did that just once in my life, then I switched to interpreted languages.\
<chillywilly> yea, well I had a long discussion abot interpreted v. compiled, strongly typed v. loosely typed in #sapdb the other night
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<jbailey> I like compiled strongly typed languages. =)
<chillywilly> me too
<jbailey> Python's a reasonable tradeoff, though.
<chillywilly> but I also like python
<chillywilly> jinx
<jbailey> I haven't explored it much, but it would be nice if the compiled option gave better warnings and stuff.
<chillywilly> well that didn't work
<chillywilly> surprise
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> where the heck can I read about -rpath?
<chillywilly> I don't see it in g++ --help
<dsmith> chillywilly: It's in ld's docs
<dsmith> Maybe binutils?
<chillywilly> info ld helps :)
<StyXman> chillywilly: d'you know if you have a callTrigger thing?
<chillywilly> I dun know anything
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<Chipaca> should sloppyQuery work?
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<ajmitch_> hi psu
<StyXman> peter.
<chillywilly> piper
<psu> hi all
<chillywilly> picked a peack of pickled peppers
<chillywilly> yo
<Vee2d2> psu: most of the second paragraph in the latest KC's thread#2 belongs up with thread#1, which is what I believe Isomer/Remosi was attempting to explain to you earlier.. =)
<Vee2d2> howdy, btw.
<psu> gah
<psu> looks a mess, doesn't it?
Action: psu will need to fix that & resubmit
<Vee2d2> I'm sure it's tedious work summarizing all that goes on.. 
<psu> well, the big change recently is that I was trying to be comprehensive
<psu> & that was making it not fun
<psu> Now I just do what I can/want to - typically 1 thread a day
<psu> Having Arturas helping out too has also helped.
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<Chipaca> please someone fill in the blanks: common-support@_________________________________________________
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<jcater> Chipaca: /dev/null
<jcater> err, I mean
<jcater> @gnuenterprise.org
<Chipaca> ok
<reinhard> night all
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<chillywilly> hi hi
<chillywilly> derek, dtm, jcater
<jcater> word
Action: jcater got his usb mouse working under debian now :) 
<chillywilly> wooooo
Action: chillywilly can't get gdb to work!
<jcater> only had to recompile my kernel
<jcater> but, whatever
<chillywilly> HAH
<chillywilly> did you make a deb?
<jcater> no
<chillywilly> blah
<jcater> haven't tried that yet
<chillywilly> apt-get install kernel-package
<chillywilly> make-kpkg --revision=fooo1.0 kernel_image
<chillywilly> it's cake
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> mmmm, cake...
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